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looks like the pass josh mccown was throwing in his 2013 bears year.

IMO, I don't think Hartline has anything to worry about. It would be more like Benjamin (who has rec'd glowing reports thus far), Moore, Mayle, etc. I would say Mayle more specifically as the selection was an attempt to add another large WR at the time.

I think in Pryor's back pocket that does give him leverage in progessing along in camp is his ability to be used as an emergency QB or a legit QB on trick plays. If he can prove competent or show progress as the day carry on as a WR, I too, think he makes this roster.

If Pryor continues to impress/progress I think the final spot would be between Benjamin and Mayle (especially if Mayle continues to drop passes)

Bowe
Hartline
Hawkins
Gabriel
Pryor
Benjamin/Mayle

Daryl Ruiter @RuiterWrongFAN

2nd 11 on 11 - McCown went 4-7, Maziel 7-7 includes pair of completions to Pryor (1 would've been a sack though)
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#Browns WR Terrelle Pryor makes nice reaching catch on slant from Manziel.


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#Browns QB Josh McCown making good throw after good throw in team drills. Many on long outs with touch

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Best offensive play so far in camp. McCown fly to Bowe with K'Waun in coverage. (40 yarder)

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#Browns offense looked good in 7-on-7s. Manziel 4-for-4 in first stint. In team drills, couple good runs the highlights. 1 by Crow, 1 byWest

Andrew Gribble ‏@Andrew_Gribble 47m47 minutes ago

Heard my first "Duuuuuuke" chant after Duke Johnson runs a nice route across the middle and catches a pass from McCown. (also beat Tramon)

Damnnn he looks like Joe Haden when he jumped up for that INT on Julio Jones I think it was. Looks like a rocket heading to outer space!

Just a personal observation. My LEAST favorite one on that list is Gabriel. I don't understand all the love for someone who I only remember can take a touchdown pass and turn it into a fall down catch short of the goalline, and the team ends up with no points.

I think 3 of some of his biggest plays last year, were where Gabriel had a huge pass behind the defense, and the Browns don't get a td on that drive, and all of them at inconsequential times of the game, like early 2nd quarter type times. So to that point, if it were baseball, his avg with runners in scoring position would be nada.
If Gabriel could start finding the freaking end zone, then yeah, all for him.

Maybe the caliber is raising a tiny bit.

The concern I have is if Hawkins & Gabriel are essentially the same player and does it makes sense to have both. Admittedly, height, size, quickness are leading my comparison of the two. Perhaps that is wrong.

I'm not campaigning for one to go but does keeping both effect a larger WR body essential for special teams and depth in the WR corps? Like Moore?

Just a thought.

If the light comes on for Pryor...yikes!

Gabriel and Hawkins are similar in size but have different skill sets entirely. Hawk is an excellent slot receiver, more like a Northcutt, Wes Welker type. Gabriel is a vertical field stretcher in the Steve Smith, Brown Mold. Despite his size he may be our best vertical receiver in a Coryell based offense.

Just wanted to add, this kid has special talent written all over him. he is so difficult for these corners to do anything with. He is incredibly strong and one of our best blockers, the kid is tenacious. He also has that same quick feet as Hawk but he can get upfield in a hurry. I think he will be a probowl receiver in 2 years and one of the best receivers out of that 2014 epic receiver class.

I really like Gabriel. Dude is small...Gerald "Ice Cube" McNeil like.

Before everyone gets excite on Pryor and the offense note tomorrow is first day in pads.

Man... you sure are playing that "Johnny One-Note" role to the max, aren't you?
One thing's for sure: you certainly are consistent.*




*predictable

No mention of Pryor's hops... or the one-handed snag. Nope. "Let's just hammer McCown some more... because folks haven't seen enough of that from me yet."

Actually, we have.

5 observations from Day 2 of Cleveland Browns training camp

Posted 1 hour ago

Andrew GribbleSenior Staff Writer@Andrew_Gribble




Examining Josh McCown’s passing … and running?

“Prelude to the storm” might be the best way to describe the Browns’ second day of training camp.

On Saturday, when the players don pads for the first time, it gets real.

“It’s as close to a real-game situation as you’re going to get,” Browns coach Mike Pettine said. “They’re wearing everything that they’re going to wear come game time. It is difficult on an offense, talking about blocking surface. When you put pads on you see it’s not as easy to get to the quarterback when there are pads on.”


1) Josh McCown, Johnny Manziel lead bounce-back day on offense

On back-to-back plays during the final team period of Friday’s practice, McCown threw, perhaps, his two best passes in an open practice setting since he signed with the Browns. McCown foundTravis Benjamin in a crowd on an out pattern roughly 15 yards down the field and toward the right sideline. He showed similar touch on the very next play, this time to Brian Hartline on what appeared to be an instant replay of the throw to Benjamin.

A few plays earlier, McCown connected with Dwayne Bowe on a 30 yard over-the-shoulder pass.

These were the types of pass plays that weren’t as frequent Thursday, as the Browns offense opened it up a bit one day after featuring a number of shorter, quicker throws.

“That’s the one thing that has jumped out is his accuracy, not just on the underneath stuff but intermediate to deeper throws,” Pettine said. “I talk about having to watch the film and to be able to evaluate … I don’t need to watch the film to know he threw some pretty good balls in practice today.”

Manziel was also better, as he connected on the majority of his passes and made quicker decisions. Most of his throws went primarily to receivers such as rookie Vince MayleandKevin Cone.

“He came out here today, just like any other day,” Pettine said, downplaying the apparent struggles Manziel had Thursday. “He wanted to work to get better and he took it one play at a time.”


2) McCown catches fans, teammates by surprise with his wheels

The play was dead in the water.

On the play that preceded his long completion to Bowe, McCown looked, and looked, and looked but couldn’t find anyone. Instead of tossing it out of bounds, McCown turned the corner and darted down the sideline for what likely would have been a 10-15 yard gain.

“When he took off running, we were joking with him that he’s an older car, with low mileage. Kept in the garage, driven to church, not a lot of mileage on it,” Pettine said of the 36-year-old veteran. “But he has kept himself in great shape over his career. Credit to him, he’s a good athlete and he showed it today.”

Pettine talked about McCown’s athleticism earlier this week, calling him a “better athlete than people give him credit for,” but stressed the Browns likely wouldn’t draw up many designed runs for him. The impromptu kind, though, are certainly up McCown’s alley -- no matter his age.


3) TE Gary Barnidge very active in passing game

Barnidge’s sure hands became a storyline earlier this summer when Pro Football Focus unearthed the stat that no tight end in the NFL had caught more consecutive passes without a drop than Barnidge’s 32. The recipient of some of the most important passes of the 2014 season, Barnidge isn’t exactly known as a stat sheet stuffer, but he’s been targeted early and often throughout the first two days of training camp.

The majority of Barnidge’s receptions have come across the middle on seam routes. With the outside receivers garnering plenty of attention, Barnidge has consistently found openings because he’s running good routes, the quarterbacks are identifying him early in their reads and they’re hitting him in stride with good passes.

Barnidge is considered a “Y” tight end in offensive coordinator John DeFilippo’s offense. That’s more of the prototypical, on-the-line tight end while free agent acquisition Rob Housler is more of an “F” tight end, which can sometimes be found lining up on the perimeter, in the slot or out of the backfield.


4) Rookie WR Vince Mayle eager to shake off the rust

OTAs and mini-camp tested Mayle’s patience. When a ball came his way, it took every bit of strength not to reach up and catch it. Sometimes, he couldn’t resist.

Mayle, who underwent surgery on a broken thumb shortly after he was drafted, was cleared for contact -- and most importantly, catching -- when training camp started Thursday. The months off for Mayle’s hands were apparent on a couple of drops, but he bounced back Friday with a solid, drop-free practice.

“First day wasn’t what I would have liked it to be,” Mayle said. “There’s a lot of rust to be knocked off. Got to get comfortable catching the ball again and having faith in my hands.”

Mayle caught a number of short, quick passes during Friday’s 11-on-11 drills. He said those kind of plays have been the biggest adjustment for him after two years as a deep threat at Washington State.


5) Other notes and observations

P Andy Lee had a busy, productive day. Benjamin, Taylor Gabriel andTramon Williams were on the receiving end of a number of his booming punts.
All four RBs -- Terrance West, Isaiah Crowell, Duke Johnson Jr. andShaun Draughn -- received repetitions with the first-team offense.
OL Joe Thomas likely will be off Saturday, Pettine said. With a few exceptions, Thomas is expected to rest every three days.
WR Marlon Moore was active Friday after being sidelined Thursday. DBCharles Gaines, LB Darius Eubanks and RB Glenn Winston did not practice for a second consecutive day.

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Ray Farmer Press Conference - July 31

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Opening statement:
“It is good to get to training camp and see the guys back on the grass. Really excited about Year 2. For us, it’s a chance for us to show everybody how we’ve come together, that we’re more on one accord as far as having a chance to work with and know the team better. We’re really excited about what this season can hold, we like where we’re at and we’re interested to see what our guys can do.”


On DB Justin Gilbert’s improvement:
“The biggest thing I’ve seen is the relationship that he has with some of the older guys – dealing with (DB) Tramon Williams, dealing with (DB) Joe (Haden) and getting a chance to learn the craft in a little more detail, spending time in the offseason with guys. Those sorts of things help young players. A lot of the time, you try to rely solely on coaching. The really good team rely on each other, as well.


On if Gilbert was more of a ‘loner’ last year:
“Chemistry is organic. It gets built on its own. You can’t force guys to hang out and do things. Over time, you get learn people and learn their habits, and it creates itself.”


On what WR Terrelle Pryor has to prove to earn a roster spot:
“That he can contribute to the team. He has to find a way to demonstrate that he has the skillset necessary to play the role we need him to play. If he can do that and make plays and be productive, he’ll have a chance to make the football team.”


On keeping Pryor as a project player who could potentially contribute but not immediately:
“Those are the great debates for me when you get in the room and it’s like you have this guy who is at level seven today and you have Terrelle Pryor or whoever the other player is at a level six right now, but in time, he might be a nine or 10 – those are the fun debates that you have upstairs. Everything will be taken into consideration – his youth, his speed, his size and his ability and then what his upside is. We think about all of that. “


On if Pryor’s QB skills factor into that evaluation:
“Not at all. He’s here to play a different position. At the end of the day, he’ll make it or break it on that.”


On why he thought Pryor could transition to WR:
“Oddly enough, it was weird as I was talking to the scouts this morning. One of the things I said, an old coach told me this actually, that quarterbacks all have really good hands because they spend their time playing cath. It’s not a product of whether he can catch the ball. The question is: Is he a good enough athlete and does he have the skillset to play receiver? I’ve seen him turn a broken play into a 90-yard touchdown run so I know he has the speed and he has the athleticism. You have to put two and two together and see if he can make the transition. It’s odd, but a lot of guys in the NFL, if you go back to their history, they played quarterback at some point in their career. One of the best guys that I played with, William Thomas, was a quarterback when he was a kid and he ended up playing outside linebacker for the Eagles. Oddly enough, he had a lot of interceptions because he had really good hands.”


On playing Pryor at WR rather than TE:
“I think tight end is semantics. You can go to (Eagles WR) Jordan Mathews in Philly and say he’s a wide receiver, but he never lines up at wide receiver; he plays tight end. It’s the notion of where can the guy have the greatest impact on the game. Football is a game of matchups so the matchup that precludes, that’s the one, hopefully, we’ll take advantage of.


On if it’s a reach to believe Pryor can succeed at WR:
“I don’t think it’s [a reach. The guy has made the NFL as a talent already, granted he played a different position, but he’s demonstrated that he has the athleticism and skill to be in this league. The question now comes: Can he translate that to something else? It’s no different than drafting a kid that played DT or played D-line and you stand him up and make him a linebacker or vice versa. A guy we had when I was in Atlanta, (former Raiders and Falcons DT) Rod Coleman – we got him from Oakland – he came out of ECU as a backer. They moved him to D-end. That didn’t work. Then we moved him to a three-technique; the guy went to the Pro Bowl. It’s just a matter of finding the skillset and matching it with the position he is going to play.”


On strongly considering carrying only two QBs on the 53-man roster if he knew Pryor would be on it, as well:
“All roster decisions, whether it is the number of quarterbacks, number of tight ends, it is it all comes back to you keep the best players, regardless of position. I was talking to the scouts again about roster breakdowns and in generalities, you say ‘Ok, a 40 team is going to keep eight D-linemen and they’re two-deep. If they’re a 30 front, they’re going to keep six D-linemen, maybe plus one; you may have a plus-one at linebacker because the guy is on special teams, etc.’ The Philadelphia Eagles one year kept 12 DBs. Somebody asked, ‘How do you keep 12 DBs?’ You never cut good players. The reality is we’ll keep the best 53 guys for our roster.”


On handling his four-game suspension:
“We have game plan. I don’t really want to get into it now. I think right now is about evaluating the team and seeing where we are at. At the right time, we’ll announce what that plan is.”


On QB Josh McCown:
“I like Josh. I think he’s an A person. I think he’s a leader. He can obviously spin the ball. He’s more athletic than a lot of people realize. He took off one time today. I don’t think anybody thought he had the wheels, movement or agility that he actually has. In some respects, I’d say age is just a number because the guy has defied the reality of what he should be able to so, supposedly, at his age. He’s a good quarterback. He can spin the football, make the reads. He’s making throws. I like where he’s at. I like his progression and what he’s going to be able to do for our offense.”


On if the Browns knew McCown was that athletic:
“There are a lot of ways to do evaluations. It’s not just all watching how he played the game on Sunday. There are other pieces of the puzzle that we always add in. I knew he was a better athlete than most people gave him credit for. It’s a product now of him being able to apply both his athletic skills and his quarterback skills to help the offense in the way he should.”

On his cooperation during the NFL investigation affecting his suspension:
“I turned over my cellphone. Again, I made the mistake. I made the admission. It is what it is. I’ll deal with any penalty I got. If they saw fit to be lenient, than that was their call; it wasn’t mine.”

On if he had an hesitancy to turn in his cell phone:
“None at all.”

On if the Browns’ expectations have changed for QB Johnny Manziel since last year:
“I don’t think the expectations change. I think the development is different. You expect more because now you are in Year 2 and you should learn a little something different and appropriate yourself that way. Rookies come in and all rookies are different. Some hit the field and they run, and it is great and then they hit the sophomore wall. Other guys come in and it takes a little bit more to get going and then they take off. Everybody is an individual, but I would say our expectations for Johnny haven’t changed. We still think he is capable of being a good player. He has to put the time, effort and energy to achieve that.”

On if he is satisfied with where Manziel is currently with what’s occurred this past offseason:
“That is a trick question for me. I don’t know if I am ever really satisfied. It is my goal and job to replace guys. You just want to see that the guys are making the strides necessary to attain the goals that you have for them. I do think he has taken some steps that demonstrate that he is serious about the craft. He is serious about getting it all together. His preparation has improved. That will trickle on to the field and his performance on the field and his performance will improve.”

On if believes Manziel could be a starting QB in the NFL:
“Used the right way and doing the right things, I think he can. You just have to make sure that the guy is doing all the things necessary to take the next steps as a quarterback. If he does those things, he has the physical skills to do that.”

On evaluating kickers on the roster but also across the broad scope of the NFL during camp:
“You do. The reality is that is the truth. You canvas the scope of he may be here, he may not be here. Oddly enough, I have been in situations where we have drafted kickers and the guy might have the best kicking percentage in the history of college, and he gets to the team and is terrible. You are like, ‘Wow, what kind of mistakes was that.’ You can’t just rely on the stats. You can’t rely on any one piece of it. It is a puzzle. You give the guy the opportunities, and either he makes the most of them or he doesn’t. Oddly enough I had (Broncos K) Connor Barth when I was in Kansas City. I had (Chargers K) Nick Novak, who is in San Diego. I’ve had a number of guys. We had (former Browns K) Billy Cundiff in camp. We had Billy Cundiff, Nick Novak, Connor Barth and (former NFL K) Jay Feely, and none of them ended up kicking in the season. We ended up with (former NFL K) John Carney. It is a product of you have to find the right guy and then inevitably make the right decision of who is going to be able to kick in your stadium and make kicks. We like these guys. We think that they can kick off, a little bit different – one’s (kickoff) is more of a drive; one’s (kickoffs) is more of a hanger. They both have been accurate so far through camp. You have to make kicks. You have to make field goals and you have to give us the opportunity to cover kicks.”

On his relationship with Head Coach Mike Pettine:
“Great. The guy doesn’t invite you to his summer home if he is mad at your or there is a problem. I think Mike said it best when he said we were both singing from the same hymnal. The reality is that me and Mike and don’t have any issues. I can’t tell you when I have ever been in a knockdown, drag out argument with the man ever. Do we agree on every player? No. Can we sit down and have a conversation? Yes. I like Pett. I think he likes me. There is nothing that we have ever gotten into from my perspective and from him as far as I am concerned that has ever been any major bone in contention. Every decision we have made has been a Browns decision. There are times when he has had his hand in the personnel. There are times when I sit and listen to what the coaches say. It is just the natural flow of what happens when you have these two jobs.”

On what prompted the text message situation last season:
“Again, that was a mistake on my part. End of the day, I made the mistake. The reality is there were no ill-gotten intentions. There were no intentions to gain any advantage. It was just my mistakes. Rules are the rules and because of that I will pay that penalty.”

On how his job changes during training camp and preseason, knowing he’ll miss the first four regular season games:
“I don’t really think it does. The reality is that I have a really good staff. The scouts are here now. I am very confident that they will be able to do the things necessary for those four weeks that I am gone. Beyond that, I believe that you have to prepare the same way. You have to understand who you are. The goal right now is to find out who the Browns are and to keep the best 53 players that we have. In between now and then, it will be the same process. Go through, figure out who is available, who may be on the street and who may get cut. If there is an opportunity to trade or swap guys at the end, you can do those sorts of things, or you can claim a guy at the 75 cut. There will be roster movement. There always is. I don’t think I’ve ever been a member of a team where we didn’t have it. A lot of those decisions are made earlier than most people think. You are just waiting for the ball to drop.”

On if he needs more contingency plans written down if specific players become available:
“No, from every [situation] I have ever been in, even when I first got started in Atlanta, there is no decision that is made in a vacuum. They’re all on the table, they all get talked about and they all get mulled over. The coaches have a say. The scouts have say. I am obviously in the room. We talk about these things and say, ‘What is best for the Browns?’ That is really the only decision that comes up. Is Player A better than Player B’, and do we need to make that swap? It is not just me sitting in the room making those decisions. There is a conversation that happens.”

On what he is going to do with his time the first four weeks of the season:
“That is a good question. I haven’t thought about that. Right now, all I am focused on is how to make the Browns better. Training camp is here and upon us. I just got off vacation. I am not looking for the next one. I love football. It is what I have made my life’s passion and life’s work. I will probably do something that has to do with football.”

On if he will be allowed to scout during that time:
“There are things that are off limits as far as what I can do as far as being associated with the team, the club and the league. If anything, my DirecTV package will blow up.”

On whether or not the team will be able to contact him about personnel decisions:
“Nope.”

On WR Brian Hartline
“I will start with the easy pieces. The guy is a pro. He is professional in everything he does from taking his run test to running his routes to his warm up sessions. He is a pro. If you watch the meticulousness of his detail and his preparation, you’ll see the reason the guy has played in this league and had success. He details his routes and he knows how to stack guys. He does the little things right. I think that is what you need. You need a guy that has size, who can run routes and who catch the football inevitably. He has proven he can all those things so far.”

On where the roster stands this year as compared to the same time last year or to other teams in the division:
“I would tell you I constantly search for ways of how to improve our roster. Are we improved? Slightly. Is there more growth to go? Absolutely. I don’t hide behind the fact that are we where we want to be? No, we are not. Are we on the right track? I would say yes, we are. There are obviously pieces you want to address. I have used the analogies in the past. It is like building a house. You can’t put the curtains up until you have walls. It is just the order in which we are using to address things. I do think we are going to be good on both lines. We are going to focus on controlling the line of scrimmage an then letting our skill show what level they are at. We think our back end is really good on defense, and we think our offense skill is capable, as well. The pieces are in place for us to have success. We just have to go out and demonstrate that we can.”

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Looked like Joker P. to me.

what? no sense of humor?

sure... and the joke was funny the first 742 times....

Well, calling out a poster who disagrees w/the majority is okay...........at least for the first 3,538,292,416 times while ignoring all the nonsense that is continually spoken by the majority, but don't let that stop ya'.

too bad. you will see game 1.

Browns training camp Day 2: Ray Farmer joins Mike Pettine in singing from the same hymnal

* Bringing in the sheaves: In his first media appearance of training camp, GM Ray Farmer, in response to a question about an ESPN Cleveland column speculating on a possible rift with the coaching staff, agreed with coach Mike Pettine that the Browns’ top two football men are singing from the same hymnal. Farmer said his relationship with Pettine is “great.” “I mean, the guy doesn’t invite you to his summer home if he’s mad at you or there’s a problem,” Farmer said. “The reality is that me and Mike have no issues. I can’t tell you when I’ve been in some knockdown, drag-out argument with the man, ever. Do we agree on every player? No. Can we sit down and have a conversation? Yes. I like Pet. I think he likes me.”

Asked, then, what was the purpose of texting coaches during games last season – an NFL violation that netted Farmer a four-game suspension at the start of the regular season – he answered, “Again, that was a mistake on my part. End of day, I made a mistake. The reality is, there’s no ill-gotten intentions, no intentions to gain any advantage. My mistake. Rules are the rules. And because of that, I’ll pay that penalty.”

Farmer will be docked a month’s pay and can have no communication with Browns’ personnel, do no team business, can’t enter the facility, can’t attend games. Farmer will appoint an interim GM – probably either Bill Kuharich, executive chief of staff, or Morocco Brown, VP/player personnel – and have in place “ready lists” at every position should openings on the roster arise. Farmer said, “There’ll be roster moves. There always are. A lot of those decisions are made earlier than most people think. You’re just waiting for the ball to drop.”

* The natural: Nobody looked more natural running routes and catching the ball than Browns Hall of Famer Paul Warfield. Many fans don’t remember, however, that Warfield, a defensive back and running back at Ohio State, was converted to wide receiver in his first NFL training camp in 1964. So Warfield, who visited camp on Friday, has unique perspective on what’s in store for converted quarterback Terrelle Pryor. “I came here as a defensive back and the club did a wonderful thing for me, enticed the late Ray Renfro to be my personal tutor for four weeks,” said Warfield. “And in that four-week period, in terms of what he taught me, we made the transition.” Warfield, who also spent time in the Browns’ personnel department over the years, made these observations about Pryor: “He’s a very athletic young man. He’s got size. He certainly has good speed. Those are the kind of physical traits that you need to play wide receiver these days. Watching him out there, I thought he caught the ball very comfortably and well. He didn’t fight it, he didn’t flinch. He was natural. He had the flicker in his hands when he caught it. Those are all good signs.”

* Spin to win: Josh McCown had a good day throwing the ball, but also showed his under-rated athletic ability (at age 36) when he pulled the ball down, sidestepped some defenders, and scrambled for big yards in a team drill. Pettine joked, “He’s an older car, but low mileage, kept in a garage, driven to church. He’s kept himself in great shape and it’s a credit to him.”

* Johnny update: Johnny Manziel had a better day completing passes than on Thursday. Pettine dismissed widespread reports of Manziel’s first practice marked by batted balls, phantom sacks and missed throws. Pettine said, “He came out here today like any day, worked to get better.” Farmer was asked if he still thought Manziel could be a starting QB in the NFL. “Used the right way and doing the right things, I think he can,” Farmer said. “You’ve got to make sure the guy is doing all the things necessary to take the next step as a quarterback. If he does those things, he has the physical skills to do that.”

* Quick hitters: Pettine said he plans no live tackling during Saturday’s first practice with full pads, but he will devote an extra period to running drills to “establish the mentality” of running the ball and stopping the run on defense … The kicking battle between young prospects Carey Spear (of Mayfield Heights High School) and Travis Coons won’t begin in earnest until they are put in “pressure” situations during the two-minute offense drills, which have yet to commence … Shane Wynn, the former Glenville High School wide receiver, is the shortest player (5-6) and lightest player (165 pounds) in camp. He was claimed by the Browns in June after he was waived by the Atlanta Falcons. The Falcons replaced Wynn with a taller receiver familiar to Browns fans – Carlton Mitchell.

* Dept. of sentences no one ever imagined would be written: In a 7-on-7 drill, Johnny Manziel threw and completed a pass to Terrelle Pryor.

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"Warfield, who also spent time in the Browns’ personnel department over the years, made these observations about Pryor: “He’s a very athletic young man. He’s got size. He certainly has good speed. Those are the kind of physical traits that you need to play wide receiver these days. Watching him out there, I thought he caught the ball very comfortably and well. He didn’t fight it, he didn’t flinch. He was natural. He had the flicker in his hands when he caught it. Those are all good signs.”"

HEHEHE

Nate Ulrich @NateUlrichABJ

#Browns DL Billy Winn injured right leg or knee during inside run drill. Athletic trainer working on him.

not good.

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 45s46 seconds ago Ohio, USA
#browns billy Wynn carted off with apparent right knee injury. Looked to be in pain on the cart.

Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 5m5 minutes ago
#Browns DL Billy Winn had his head down as he was carted into field house.

Mary Kay Cabot
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#browns duke johnson getting his left hamstring worked on. Wrapping it in ice now

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#Browns duke johnson has the hammy wrap off now. Terrance west having his leg worked on after coming up limping a little

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McCown having a tough day. Not dealing with pressure well. #Browns

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Tom Reed @treed1919

Josh McCown having a rough morning. DBs breaking up passes. His passes have hung up on deeper efforts.

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Daryl Ruiter @RuiterWrongFAN

We have the first fight of #BrownsCamp Dwayne Bowe appeared to slap Jacobbi McDaniel in the head;… https://instagram.com/p/52JvGpGYsf/

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Nate Ulrich @NateUlrichABJ

#Browns QB Johnny Manziel with nice completion to FB Malcolm Johnson on wheel route between Nate orchard and De'Ante Saunders. About 25 yds

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Nate Ulrich @NateUlrichABJ

#Browns CB Joe Haden broke up & nearly held on for INT deep pass from Josh McCown to Taylor Gabriel.

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Scott Petrak ct @ScottPetrak

First little scrap at #Browns camp. Punch thrown. Quickly defused. Pretty sure OL Karim Barton threw at DL Jacobbi McDaniel.

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Nate Ulrich @NateUlrichABJ

First fight of training camp broke out. OL Karim Barton and DL Jacobbi McDaniel believed to be combatants.
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Daryl Ruiter @RuiterWrongFAN

#Browns President Alec Scheiner & owner Jimmy Haslam watch Saturday's practice #BrownsCamp https://instagram.com/p/52IsonGYqT/

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Dan Labbe @dan_labbe

Remember how good everyone said the offense looked yesterday (including me)? Not so much today.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/08/browns_training_camp_day_3_upd.html

And we have had our first fight of TC - Dwayne Bowe slapped Jacobbi McDonald and a scrum ensued.

https://twitter.com/ruiterwrongfan

https://instagram.com/p/52JvGpGYsf/

bad news about wynn

i am shocked!!!!!!!!!

Let the competition begin. McCown struggling under pressure is what most of us expected although I think most well atleast I felt it would be during live competition.

Now Johnny with another good day is a great thing. He needs to legitimately beat out McCown.

In other news from camp one assistant coach picked his nose today and another one scratched his own ass.

My understanding is that there was debate as to weather it was his ass or that of a new assistant !

I saw an alternate report that said that assistant coach actually picked another assistant coach's butt. Can't post the link because it is a twitter.

Browns training camp Day 3: Pads go on, defense takes over

* Back to reality: Coaches and players know that every day of camp is a new day. Highs turns to lows in the span of 24 hours and the trick is to string more highs together than lows. On Friday, the Browns offense looked good. On Saturday, the first day of pads, the defense struck back. Josh McCown’s piercing spirals came up short on a few long throws and Joe Haden was swatting passes all over the place. The anticipated inside run drill added to the schedule on the first day of pads was termed “a little sloppy” by coach Mike Pettine. “Too many guys on the ground. I think both sides flashed what we’re capable of, but I think overall, it was just not very consistent,” Pettine said. Following his practice of last year, Pettine completed the day with a competition between offense and defense. The coach set up a series of third-down situations, with the winner earning the right to wear special jerseys the next day. Last year they were orange, and the defense dominated the competitions. On Saturday, the defense won. “Here we go again,” I said to Pettine. If looks could kill.

* Players down: Defensive end Billy Winn suffered an injury to his right knee in the “little sloppy” inside run drill. Winn eventually was carted off the field. Pettine did not want to speculate on the severity, pending an MRI and X-rays … Later in the practice, running back Duke Johnson suffered a tweak to a hamstring muscle and running back Terrance West had a thigh wrapped. The injuries, coupled with the fact Glenn Winston still has not joined the workouts because of a knee injury, resulted in even more reps for the ubiquitous Shaun Draughn. “He’s a quiet kid and that’s how he is on the field,” Pettine said. “He just does his job. There is not a lot of flash there. Like a lot of guys, he very quietly fills he grade sheet with pluses.”

* Johnny update: There was a play in an 11 on 11 drill on which Johnny Manziel stood firm in the pocket, waited for the route to develop and zipped the ball through a tight windown to fullback Malcolm Johnson crossing the middle of the field. Reacting behind the offense, Josh McCown jumped in the air and raced over to Manziel and patted him on the backside. “It was just a good throw, a good play,” McCown said later. “It’s a unique play when you use the fullback in that manner. Just a good quarterback play. I want him to do so well and continue growing as a player and he’s doing a lot of good things … You get fired up when you see guys work on something, and focus, and study and put the time in and take it to the field and make it happen. For me, I just get fired up (for him). It’s neat to see him accomplish that.”

* Quick hitters: First skirmish of camp resulted in at least one punch being thrown between offensive tackle Michael Bowie and defensive tackle Jacobbi McDaniel. Pettine was not pleased … With Joe Thomas getting the day off, Andrew McDonald filled in at left tackle on the first team. McDonald, acquired off waivers from Indianapolis in December, is impressing the coaches. “We’re hopeful he can be in the discussion (for a roster spot),” Pettine said … Former Ohio State coach Jim Tressel was in attendance and was barraged with questions about quarterback-turned-receiver Terrelle Pryor. Acknowledging Pryor’s immense physical talents, Tressel said, “This level is a cerebral level. You need to have skills, of course, but what separates you is from the neck up. No one will work harder at it.”

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=47861

If these videos were added I apologize. I haven't had a chance to watch camp videos yet.

Camp pics/videos

Hate to hear this about Winn. Hope he will be OK. On that note, it is a good thing we have 200000 defensive linemen.



That was a pretty nice gesture by McCown. I think our only hope is if Johnny can beat out McCown.

yea it was nice and sadly johnny is our best chance of the future since the FO did nothing to improve our chances of that this year.

Dittos. Looks like we see things the same way pblack...
These others refuse to put down their orange and brown glasses.

5 observations from Day 3 of Cleveland Browns training camp
Posted 3 hours ago

Defense wins the day, injury updates and more

It was hard to tell who welcomed the return of pads more: players, coaches, media or fans.

Count us among those who approved on a busy day at Browns training camp.

1) Give and take OK for Browns QB Josh McCown

The Browns offense performed so well Friday, veteran safety Donte Whitner was compelled to tweet about it. Dwayne Bowe called it one of the best early practices he’d ever experienced.

And then on Saturday, as the Browns donned full pads for the first time during this training camp, the defense got even.

This wasn’t one-sided by any means, as both the offense and defense labored a bit in the team’s first 11-on-11 run period. The difference from Friday stood out most, though, when the defense went with six defensive backs and presented looks observers hadn’t seen through the first three days. There were many near-turnovers, but no official ones, as quarterbacks Josh McCown and Johnny Manziel faced a barrage of pressure and were forced into throws they wanted back.

“That’s our defense. It’s a good defense,” McCown said. “To me, the mark of a well-rounded team is that there will be some give and take. We went out there and had a really good day yesterday and everybody threw the ball around well. Today, there were some really good things but it wasn’t as clean as yesterday.”

The defense held its own when it mattered most in the Browns’ traditional end-of-practice showdown. After surrendering a few third downs, one of which saw McCown hit Taylor Gabriel on a nice, 15-yard crossing pattern, the defense locked down, as Justin Gilbert knocked a pass away from Josh Lenz and McCown’s final heave to Bowe fell incomplete.

“There’s give and take,” McCown said. “If we continue that, I believe that’s what’s going to make us a good football team, and at the end of the day that’s what you want to see.”

2) Injury bug finally bites the Browns

After two relatively healthy days of practice, the Browns saw a handful of players go down with injuries.

Defensive end Billy Winn was carted off the field midway through the practice with an apparent knee injury. Browns coach Mike Pettine said Winn’s status would be clarified later in the day.

Running backs Terrance West and Duke Johnson were both hampered a bit by injuries and did not finish practice. The same went for defensive back Brandon Stephens, who wasn’t on the field for the second half of practice.

Running back Glenn Winston was sidelined for a third consecutive day while linebacker Darius Eubanks practiced after missing the first two.

3) RB Shaun Draughn quietly logging quality snaps

When Pettine spoke with ClevelandBrowns.com last week, he made sure to include Draughn when the topic shifted to the Browns’ running back competition.

The Browns didn’t make national headlines when they signed Draughn late last season and didn’t when they re-signed him to the 2015 squad, but they’ve been pleased with what he’s brought to the table ever since he arrived. He can return kicks, play a variety of spots on special teams and, as he’s displayed through the first three practices, make plays as a runner and pass-catcher out of the backfield.

“He is a quiet kid and that’s how he is on the field,” Pettine said. “There is not a lot of flash there. Like a lot of guys he very quietly fills the grade sheet with pluses.”

Draughn, a star running back at North Carolina, has bounced around the NFL since he went undrafted in 2011. He ran for 233 yards with the Chiefs in 2012 but compiled just 21 over the past two seasons with the Ravens, Bears, Chargers and Browns.

If the Browns keep four running backs at the end of the preseason like they did last year, Draughn would appear to be in decent shape three practices into training camp.

4) Tracking the movement on the O-line

With Joe Thomas receiving an off day, Andrew McDonald filled his spot at left tackle with the first-team offense.

This was a tad different than what was seen at times throughout OTAs, when rookie Cameron Erving would often fill the spot occupied by whomever from the first team was resting. Erving remained with the second-team offense at right guard but also saw some snaps at left tackle.

The only rookie to see regular, significant snaps with the first-team offense has been sixth-round fullback Malcolm Johnson, who is the only player on the roster listed at his position.

Pettine doled out some praise to McDonald, who was acquired late last season after he was waived by the Colts.

“He’s another guy, very quiet, doesn’t say a lot but he just goes out and works,” Pettine said. “He’s had a really productive offseason for us, and we were very quietly optimistic about him coming into camp and very anxious to see how he’ll be with pads on.”

5) Other observations


First-round picks Danny Shelton and Erving got a chance to go one-on-one against each other in drills during the early portion of practice. There was no clear winner.
Youngstown State president and former Ohio State coach Jim Tressel and Ohio State quarterback Cardale Jones were in attendance at Saturday’s practice. Jones was teammates at Cleveland’s Glenville High with wide receiver Shane Wynn, whom the Browns signed after OTAs.
Shelton has been rooming with fellow defensive line rookie Dylan Wynn, who went undrafted out of Oregon State.


http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...9e-0b60d59c3b25

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If you think having Hoyer or McCown is essentially a wash on the field (as I do, for the most part) I think the above is a prime example why they went for McCown over Hoyer.