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The only ones who might be calling for Pettine to go are crazy. I wouldn't get too worked up over them.

nah no one is calling for anyone to be fired. It would take a set of balls to do that. Instead they just hide in the bushes waiting for the majority to turn so they can join the lynch party. If you want someone canned nut up and speak it.

Hiding in the bushes was a great way to describe it.

Spoken like a man who has been burned by a used car salesman several times before.

It's like some of you go out of your way to start fights.

Where was this attitude when Banner was here? It is so freaking hypocritical that some of you get so righteous when just a short time ago you were right there w/the lynching mob.

When Banner hired Lombardi, I made no bones about it, he should have been fired. Sneaking in the Lombardi announcement between draft picks, freaking cowards. Hell I didnt join the mob I helped start it.

I think Pet can often sound like an idiot when he is in front of a mic but so far he has proven to be a damn good coach.

Farmer is a wait and see.

Perhaps you go out of your way to look for fights. I think that is a more accurate statement.

As for Banner and previous regimes, I have addressed this several times. If I could go back in time I would have preached more patience for all of them. The same as I am doing now.

Yeah, it was me criticizing other posters for wanting Farmer and Pet fired and for hiding in the bushes.

Any one that has spent any amount of time looking at the crap we are spoon fed should know what its like to be given the used car salesmen pitch by now.

All's you have to do is have a mind and recall what your told and boom you soon realize your being played the fool.

I personally don't care for the lies the truth might not set well with me either but the truth gains my respect. The odd thing is one of the traits that fans say is Pet's strongest suit (honesty) has been left on the side of the road this season. I for one don't like it, not even a little bit.

Just for the record, what has Pet been lieing about?

Holy pot calling kettle black batman.

The lie that tops my list is the we will minimize the QB position.

Yeah right your so damned smart and the rest of the league is oh so stupid that you can do what no one else can.

And you all buy the used car..

Then there is no tension between Text and myself. Yeah right then why spend so much time trying to convince us all its not true? Some things are obvious as well if I have some one going around me and texting my coaches, yeah I got a bone to pick with the dude, you bet your ass I do. Best not say anything then try to dispel the obvious.

And the list goes on McCown, Flip all BS. In fact lately he has gone out of his way to say up is down and down is up. And we are all suppose to just turn our heads and go yeah I trust the dude he is being honest. Really.

Here's what Browns coach Mike Pettine is saying after fourth practice of training camp

By NATE ULRICH Published: August 2, 2015

Browns coach Mike Pettine met with reporters Sunday after the fourth full-squad practice of training camp. Below is a transcript provided by the team.


On DL Billy Winn’s status: “Billy’s X-rays were OK yesterday, but this morning, he was going for further testing. I haven’t gotten that information yet. I apologize, but we will know more later today.”


On the status of RBs Duke Johnson, Jr. and Terrance West: “Duke could be a little bit. We are confident we can get Terrance back, especially just kind of butted up against the day off. We feel coming back out on our next day out here on Tuesday that Terrance will have a shot then.”


On if the team will consider adding a RB with three currently not practicing: “Yeah, I am going to get together with (General Manager) Ray (Farmer) after this. Always when we have these breaks, we evaluate where we are from an injury standpoint and timetables of who is coming back and if we need to, add that certainly is the position that will probably be the first one discussed.”


On RB Glenn Winston’s status: “Winston showed up with a little bit of a ding. We’re hopeful. I think he is close to getting back, though. That is another guy we are hopeful we can [get back]. If we can get Terrance back Tuesday or within the next couple days after that and Glenn, then we’ll obviously be in a little better shape.”


On OL Vinston Painter’s and RB Luke Lundy’s status after they left practice today: “No, I know they were going in to be evaluated. We will have more on that next time.”


On what DB Pierre Desir is doing well to merit the reps he is getting: “Pierre is very passionate about football and he wants to get better. He knows he had a lot of ground to cover. He is very coachable. He’s got an NFL skillset, but he just had a lot of ground to make up, given his background. He is a guy that comes out and works to get better every day.”


On how the players recovered from the first day of practice in pads: “I thought they did a good job. That’s the one thing we really emphasize. I think our training staff and weight staff do a good job with maximizing the recovery, whether it is the recovery trailer, which is out front where they can get off their feet for a little bit. Giving them, from a schedule standpoint, just understanding when we can get them off their feet and giving them a little extra time at night. There might be a few examples of the opposite, but overall, our guys handled it pretty well.”


On QB Johnny Manziel looking comfortable in the shotgun and if that is something the offense would look to do more: “I just think that is part of the install. There are times based on the defensive look – we were getting a lot of pressure looks, defensively – when you want to give the running back a little bit of space for his pick-up. If there is traffic in the A gap right near the center, a lot of times the quarterback has the option to get into the gun. Some of those instances came up and other ones were called plays. Obviously, he is very comfortable there.”


On if the pistol formation is still part of the offense: “I know that formation – the concept of the back behind the quarterback in the gun – is in the playbook. I just think as we go that it’s more of a game plan thing. I certainly could see us in some of it as camp goes on.”


On if the pistol formation has been used yet in practice: “No, I think we are still very early. We went back to the beginning of our installation. Any play that you run with the quarterback under center and the back at home behind him you could run from the pistol so I think that is something we can do gradually do later on.”


On how WR Terrelle Pryor has performed the last two days in pads: “He doesn’t look out of place. It’s still very early, too early to tell, but he does not look out of place. He does some good things. He is just behind from the learning standpoint and the subtleties of playing receiver. If you had asked where he would be at this point, I would think we would all agree he is ahead of where we thought he would be.”


On the camouflage jerseys the defense wore in practice: “They were my idea. The original idea was to be more of the military green camo, but when we contacted the league about it, they would prefer that we stayed within our team colors so that’s how that became orange and brown camo. I’ve seen how some of you in this group dress (laughter) so I don’t know if I’m going to be very open to fashion advice (laughter). You know who you are, too.”


On if the offense won the jersey competition today: “They did. It came down to the last play, which was great. That’s what that period is for. I told them afterwards, our season will hinge on those plays – third-and-5 at the end of the game, you get a first down, you can run out the clock; if you get a stop on defense, you get a chance to win it or you can win it right there. Those are the things that we want to simulate in practice, and I was glad it came down to the last play.”


On what Pryor did to earn first team reps today: “I just think that’s part of… (wide receivers coach) Joker (Phillips) has his rotation, especially with those skilled position groups, working guys through, or it might be a certain play that we wanted that he hadn’t gotten yet that was called with the ones so we go ahead and insert him with that. At this point in camp, I wouldn’t put much stock, especially in the skill groups, in who is going with what group.”


On what he saw from WR Travis Benjamin last year that he did not know coming in: “He surprised all of us last year. I think he was looked at as ‘Hey, he’s a returner, he’s on the bubble because he’s coming off a knee. How effective is he going to be?’ He never got going as a returner, but he certainly showed his capability as a wide out. It was a surprise. It was a very pleasant one. What’s encouraging this year is if you talk to him and ask him, ‘Hey, how do you feel compared to a year ago?’ it’s night and day, and that’s usually true with that type of injury that it takes to that next year to really feel back to being your old self.”


On if it was a positive step for DL Phil Taylor to participate in the rush defense drills today: “Yeah, working it. Leaving that up to him. How do you feel? Are you ready to take some reps? We’ll be on his pace for a while until he gets to the point where he feels really comfortable.”


On if the coaches have discussed using drones to film practice: “Didn’t that get outlawed by the FAA? I know some teams that talked about it, but then you start worrying about air space, that’s one of the last things I want to have to worry about (laughter).”

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I'm in the Keep Pet and FIRE Farmer STAT Camp!!!

IMO I think you are taking their stated concept out of context.

I have yet to see/hear Pet say they plan on going to the Superbowl on this concept, or guaranteeing a playoff spot. I haven't seen ANYONE claim that it will become the next great NFL fad.

To me they are just stating the obvious. Our QB situation sucks. No need to beat that dead horse. So why would we install an offense where we would put as much on the shoulders of the QB as possible?

In all honesty, had we retained Hoyer, I really don't think the approach would be all that different. Now I'll give you that it probably wouldn't be emphasized as heavily.

Bottom line, you know our QB situation is weak, I know it, we know it, THEY know it. But they aren't going to just come out and say it in a presser lol

I think Farmer's thought process on QBs is flawed. Here are just a couple of his comments when responding to questions about the position:




and

No doubt they aren't going to say that because we haven't played any games yet. I for one think we can get good enough play out of the position to be a pretty darn good football team.

Look at it this way. All over the board I read that there isn't any real difference between Hoyer and McCown. I even see where many might even give McCown the nod based on experience. Before Hoyer fell apart under the pressure of having Manziel in the mix, he played well enough for us to win games. Then he began to press as the pressure from fans, media, and possibly the FO began to mount to see Manziel. That pressure isn't going to be there this year. If Manziel gets in, it will be 100% because he is better or McCown gets hurt. Add in the fact McCown knows the deal at this stage of his career.

I think we will get good enough play to win 9-10 games. How that stacks up towards a playoff spot, we'll just have to wait and see.


* that was a reply to DDawg

What you don't realize is that customers lie ten times more than salesman

There is no tension between Pet and Farmer zero, zip, zilch.Your buying into the snake oil the press is selling.

Based on those I can see why you feel the way you do, and can't say as I blame you. I will say thought that the first quote, he's not really wrong though is he? I mean, with the roster we've fielded over the years, there are years where I doubt even Manning or Brady would have pulled off All Pro years.

The second quote... eh... I found it odd that they would limit the question to the Top 5 picks. I think that kind of makes it a trap question if you don't agree with it, I mean certainly quality QB's can and have been found outside that in at least the rest of the 1st RD. My HOPE is that his QB examples is just a bad choice of examples, but I have to admit that you have the more compelling argument on this.

Personally I'm not ready to make a determination about he and Pet's abilities to evaluate a QB for the following reasons:

-He's only drafted 1 QB (assuming it wasn't Haslams pick lol). 1 is a pretty small sample.
-While he didn't really try to retain Hoyer, they DID keep him over from the previous regime in the first place
-Shaw probably won't ever be a starter on his own merit, but so far he looks like a guy you want in your bullpen.

-That, and I don't imagine you'd grade him out as high as me, but to date, I'd give him a B Grade in terms of the quality of players that have been brought in during his tenure so far. Maybe not many All Pro types, but I really believe this is one of the more, if not the most solid foundation that we have had in some time. I know they haven't placed as much emphasis on positions like WR as some want, but its not like they've brought in guys that we didn't need either.

He probably quick replied.

Mac

I am using the quick response method on the bottom of the last page of this thread. It will show up as a response to you because you started this thread.

Peen could be right. I haven't read the entire thread so I can't be 100% sure, but it could be that he responded to someone else but by using the quick response at the bottom of the page, it appears to be responding to you.

Daman...I'm using quick reply too...and made sure that I'm addressing YOU, by simply starting my response with the name of the individual I'm responding to, rather than allowing the reply to be addressed to mac.

That is another solution for those who don't want to hit the reply button of the individual they are responding to...simply type the person's name at the beginning of the response.

That is another easy fix!

Test

that's the most encouraging thing i've heard yet. the team is not going to go to the playoffs with mccown throwing to this group of WR's, period.

but with manziel, and the right scheme, the browns will be such a unique challenge that the upside is much higher.

the 'scheme' and situations that they put together last year absolutely assured abject failure.

but with this article i see the first hint of understanding that space, vision, and initiative are things that manziel does better than anyone in the history of the college game - and it will probably translate just fine to the NFL. not only that, but mccown is an athletic guy, too, and not a complete opposite of manziel. so the scheme makes sense for both guys.

talking pistol, space, and shotgun is the first hint that the browns are beginning to think correctly about the roster.

They ran some pistol last year with Johnny. I remember Johnny making the wrong reads so they probably weren't fully open to keep using it and Hoyer in the pistol is just silly lol.

Just freaking line up in the power I or strong l formation, totally tip your hat to the defense, and still pound it down their throat! Run the ball, it's our only hope.

This reply is for both you and tab.

I provided quotes that were before he went into his first draft. Thus, Manziel, Bortles, Teddy, Carr, Garapola were all available.

I just wanted to provide an example or two of his mindset BEFORE he drafted Johnny.

Devil, I am not making a final determination on his abilities to evaluate qbs. I am simply evaluating what he has said and done thus far.

I'm simply perplexed as to why you would pay someone 100k to evaluate the QB's in a draft then completely ignore their findings. If you knew the answer, why hire them? If you felt the need to hire them, why ignore them?

I might be wrong about this but I thought the 100K paid search was executed by Banner, not Farmer. Thus, ignoring the findings would have been more of a thing for Banner if he was still around. For all we know, Farmer didn't agree with paying that sum, although the findings are showing early results to be correct.

Also, I am still under the belief Manziel was a Haslem push....but that's for another conversation.

I don't know if this was released but do we know the results other findings? 2nd, 3rd, 4th....??

Fair enough!

Browns spent $100,000 on advanced study of quarterbacks

"According to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN, the Browns commissioned a study of the quarterback position that cost $100,000 and entailed a great deal of research into which qualities go into success at the most important position in football. The study began under former team President Joe Banner and was only recently completed, after Banner left.

What we don’t know is how much stock the current decision makers put in the study. If Banner thought it was useful but current General Manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine think the study is a bunch of hooey..."

Link

It worked for Mangini!!!!

p.s. I only mention it just to see who gets riled up lol

This one is to you Mac. Get over it. You sound like a drama queen PMSing

If that's the case, I hope they learned something about hooey.

Well now you don't have to be perplexed anymore, you have seen the light!

For the Dawg Pound at large...

In regards to Mike Pettine, what do you guys want or hope to see from him as an individual? What are some areas you guys think he could improve upon in his sophomore year?

I think there was some criticism about his clock management last year. Yeah, there were a couple hick ups, but I also seem to recall when asked about them post game, he at least was able to provide a line of reasoning that led up to the decision. I can respect that. What's the saying? "The only thing worse than a bad decision is no decision"?

I can't really recall any other real issues or complaints. I think the season certainly went A LOT smoother than Shurmur's.

I know he's gotten some flack this season about the QB competition last year, but I think a lot of that is hindsight 20/20 criticism.

I'm sure there's some other stuff you guys are looking for.