DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Brady Quinn - Sr. Year Breakdown

Ok, I didn't put this in the Draft forum, because its not about the draft anymore. And I didn't see any Quinn threads specifically about stats. If there was one and I missed it, feel free to move this refs.

Here is a breakdown of Quinn's stats his senior year. I did a comparison of Quinn v. All other Qbs who played against that team in a game by game as well as overall format. Also broke down his stats alone. I was fairly worried before doing this, but I feel better about him now. Overall he plays well across the board, struggled a little when his team was overmatched, but throughout it all was a playmaker.

Have to link to it: http://www.joshisgod.com/Quinn/OPP.htm

I'm sorry, but I'm not even going to look at a site with a URL that starts out with "joshisgod."

And besides, numbers don't mean squat, performance does. I don't think he can do it at this level but I hope and pray like hell that he can!

Nice breakdown. I'm not worried about what he did in college anymore. He is already a Brown and he will have to prove he can play on the field now.

Its my site. I couldn't figure out another way to get the info up. Copy and paste screwed everything up...I tried to put it it .jpg attachments but you can only have one attachement and it was too big. It took me like 4 hours to put the numbers together so I wanted to get it up there somehow.

You did a lot of nice work there,, very impressive,, Now what was your point...

I mean seriously,, that was outstanding the way you compiled the stats,, but what does it prove? What are you trying to prove or disprove...

I'm not asking to be snotty towards you,, I really don't understand the point.....

Good question. I wanted to see for myself if he just padded his stats against bad teams and tanked against good competition. I think that I showed that he played fairly well against everyone and even in his worst games he fared fairly well compared to other QBs against the same competition. Also wanted to see for myself if his accuracy was as bad as some make it out to be.

Oh,,,, Ok, I can see that... Now it's beginning to make some sense.. otherwise, it was just a bunch of numbers that kinda rolled together.. Ok, now I will go back and really look at them.. Now that I know what you were attempting to see.

Nice job on the breakdown. Thanks for posting it (just ignore the jackass response -- seems like there's always at least one in the crowd around here )

The guy has skills, no doubt about it. The only question I had about him was the competition level he played against. He struggled against the best competition he faced this year (LSU and Michigan). Good games against USC, Penn State and USC (even though ND lost) even that out somewhat, but beating up on teams like Army, Air Force, North Carolina and Stanford doesn't really mean a whole lot to me.

We'll see. Personally, I think he'll be a good, solid starting QB for us. It remains to be seen, however, if he'll be a great NFL QB. Here's hoping he far exceeds expectations.

Seems kinda like the the only game he appeared to fall apart in was LSU,,, but he didn't fare that much worse even then when compared to all others...

Well, I'm still not exactly sure what it all means, but at the very least, it appears that he's at least consistent..... I guess that's something to build on....right?

your QB rating forumula is not correct, at least by NFL standards

The theroretical maximum is 158.333

College QB rankings are much different. You can get a rating of 100 and still have an average game.

Not my formula...taken straight from ESPN. The college rating is much different than the NFL rating scale.

I really don't know what any of it means, but out of the 13 games you selected he went 10-3, threw for 2875 yds, had 37 TDs & only 7 INTs and had a 61.88% completion percentage. I'll certainly take that extrapolated over an NFL season.

Lots of work. One question and one suggestion.

Question: Why are ther no Qb ratings for the "Others" group?

Suggestion: If it isn't too much work it might be interesting to look at the "Others" group in a different way. We know all teams pad there schedule a bit. If you went back and look at the "Others" distilled down to only DI schools that had a .500 record or better then you would be comparing BQ to the top colleges Qb's and not have the stats in the "Others" group skewed by the shmoes.

Thanks for the time and effort put into this thread.

I tried to only use D1 teams. A 1A team might have slipped in but I don't think so. Also, the qb ratings weren't readily available when I put it together, and I don't want to go back through everything. I like the idea of taking only the QBs of over 500 teams. I'll repost in here if i do that.

Jester,

numbers for .500+ teams are up. Interesting that Quinn's LSU game looks better that way.

http://www.joshisgod.com/Quinn/OPP.htm

LSU
141.79 - Alabama
141.59 - Florida
121.28 - Fresno State
117.61 - Mississippi State
107.41 - Tennessee
101.40 - Mississippi
91.20 - Auburn
85.81 - Brady Quinn
68.16 - Kentucky
57.54 - Arkansas
56.24 - Tulane
55.08 - Arizona
48.78 - Louisiana-Lafayette

USC
144.71 - Oregon State
137.94 - Michigan
123.60 - Nebraska
122.46 - Arizona State
122.04 - Brady Quinn
116.40 - Washington State
110.00 - Oregon
106.17 - Washington
105.12 - Arizona
102.74 - UCLA
89.84 - Stanford - Trent Edwards did not play
81.80 - California
72.46 - Arkansas

Michigan
162.79 - Ohio State
162.32 - USC
122.53 - Minnesota
119.68 - Penn State
118.53 - Ball State
107.44 - Wisconsin
106.19 - Michigan State
100.52 - Vanderbilt
104.30 - Iowa
99.08 - Brady Quinn
98.44 - Central Michigan
74.13 - Northwestern
69.15 - Indiana

Georgia Tech
177.36 - West Virginia
138.58 - Maryland
135.37 - Miami, FL
125.78 - Duke
123.54 - Wake Forest
116.08 - Georgia
114.91 - Brady Quinn
108.84 - Virginia Tech
107.00 - Clemson
98.75 - Troy
82.42 - North Carolina State
77.29 - Virginia
65.01 - North Carolina
63.93 - Samford - NOT Stanford, but Samford

Penn State
168.74 - Minnesota
163.91 - Brady Quinn
130.45 - Wisconsin
122.78 - Tennessee
115.88 - Michigan
95.27 - Ohio State
93.14 - Michigan State - Drew Stanton did not play
89.37 - Akron
87.07 - Youngstown State
85.78 - Purdue
83.96 - Northwestern
66.98 - Illinois
57.22 - Temple

UCLA
217.68 - California
178.74 - Washington State
147.24 - Washington
142.42 - Oregon
131.41 - Brady Quinn
130.02 - Rice
115.35 - Florida State
112.86 - USC
109.31 - Oregon State
100.10 - Arizona
82.35 - Utah
71.72 - Arizona State
63.31 - Stanford


I'm not going to do anymore of these, someone else can do the rest.

Mensa,,, what is all of this,,,, explain please

all the other QB ratings. Thanks mensa, i'll add them at some point today.

The ratings won't be completely accurate as I used team passing stats and the rating are for specific QBs.

Otis,, mensas stats don't make sense,,, and I missing something,, he's got team percentages and then Brady,,, Wierd,,,and how does that mean anything,,,I'm so confused

only two games with under 100 quarterback ranking against teams with more talent than notre dame, ill take it

I think what Mensa is trying to show is .....

USC (School)
144.71 - Oregon State vs USC
137.94 - Michigan vs USC
123.60 - Nebraska vs USC
122.46 - Arizona State vs USC
122.04 - Brady Quinn vs USC
116.40 - Washington State vs USC
110.00 - Oregon vs USC
106.17 - Washington vs USC
105.12 - Arizona vs USC
102.74 - UCLA vs USC
89.84 - Stanford - Trent Edwards did not play vs USC
81.80 - California vs USC
72.46 - Arkansas vs USC

What he is showing is how the other QB's faired against USC
It would be easier if he put N.D. instead of Brady Quinn .

Yet he fails to mention one other QB,,,,, thus the reason for my confusion,,

It took me a while to figure it out ,but it don't mean a darn thing anyway .

Stats are misleading. Exspecially QB stats.

If you go back and look at 2005 stats it got Quinn with the a better QB rating then Beck , Russel,Llienhart , and 2points lower then Young . Even tho Quiin had more then 25 sacks both 05 & 06 .

True enough,,, stats never tell the whole story,,,,

It does make the LSU game look better for him. I only looked at the games vs teams that I thought were good or had good defenses. It looks like he underperformed against Michigan though that could be skewed by the OSU-Mich game. OSU just had too many really good Wr's for UM to match up with and OSU came out with that spread offense that UM wasn't ready for.

The only other game was GT only in that he didn't throw a TD pass. But that was the 1st game of the year.

I've watched Brady Quinn for 4 years, and I'm tickled to death that I get to watch him more. I think everyone else here is going to like watching him as well. The team is really starting to come together. We'll take some lumps, but that is to be expected. I don't dread Autumn Sundays anymore. Go Browns!!!

j/c
I work w/ a huge ND fan figurativly & dimensionaly (sp)
but I'm on vacation & friday nite we had a few beers &I asked if he was gonna be a BROWNS fan now... he said Not yet .. still watch ND but would watch us next yr
He said that Brady got his arse kicked last 2 yrs worse than Charlie could imagine.......and he kept on tickin'...and he knew that BQ out bench pressed his O line for the last 2 yrs
I'm just hopin we can let this kid wait a yr or at least till week 14 to get his feet wet,,& see what happens.....NOT screamin' for him in week 1

Mensa,, I understand that, but did it happen every game? Either way, what confused me is the lack of other QB's names,,, at first I was just trying to figure out what the stats were. Had I seen other QB names, I would have gotten it quickly..

Thanks for the work implied Otis

I get it - what I did like was Diam's series by series breakdown in the big games where all said BQ sucked because he couldn't win.

It showed the opposite that the team didn't win despite the efforts of BQ - and I did watch several games of ND (not in entirity) and one thing I got out of them was I didn't want us to draft or even sniff at one of the ND WRs as I thought they totally SUCKED! And their baseball playing stud fell off in his efforts once he knew he wasn't persuing a football career...almost as if he was thinking don't get hurt or his $$$ mil. contract in the works for baseball won't be there.

JMHO - Hopefully we will give him a good year to learn the NFL game!

the sad part tab .... our Wr's were the best unit on the O other than BQ ...

witch one of our OLman did u want??? *LOL* ...

his RB Darius Walker didnt even get drafted ... and heres a newsflash ...

our O was LIGHT YEARS BETTER than our D .... how bad was our D?? *LOL* ..

ND's defense was like Clevelands offense

Well I guess ND is going to go 0-12 this year seeing that BQ was the whole team.

Worst Defense ever
Bad O-Line
Bad RB
Average WRs
Greatest QB Ever

Funny how the O-Line stunk yet the RB averaged 5 yards per carry.

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Funny how the O-Line stunk yet the RB averaged 5 yards per carry.

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Yea whats even funnier is how Quinn put up some excellent numbers considering the oline let him get sacked 31 times in 06 and 20 times in 05 . They didn't have a Oline .

And if they had a powerhouse offense how come the RB didn't get drafted or any the WR or Oline men didn't go get drafted high if at all.

Kid, if a RB averages 5 yards per carry and according to you guys stunk, then it's pretty obvious the O-Line was solid, either that or Notre Dame played way too many cupcakes like Army, Navy, etc so that they could pat their stats.