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don't be that guy bro

You mean the guy crying out in the wilderness that...

Planned Parenthood continues to kill children and harvest their body parts.

Screwed up Society.
Culture of Death.
Libthingy Logic.

I will definitely agree with this much of your statement, anyway.

TRUTH!

PP does a lot more than just abortions, just in case you weren't aware.

but i'm not gonna listen to a guy who wants nothing more than to nuke the middle east. all about life, yet all about death?

how's that work?

Show me or shut up.

you have a track record dating back to.....what 2006 on the old boards? jeez man....i known you that long?

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/perso...the-economy.ece

I think the economy definitely played a role in millenials going back, but why are they staying home?

Could it be rising home ownership costs? We are "lucky" in Ohio that houses are as affordable as they are for the middle class. I put lucky in quotes because the job market isn't quite as good (although not as bad IMO as say 10-15 years ago)

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/18/7240673/cities-affordable-houses

What about rent? My rent doubled from 2007 to 2013 in Austin. Had I not gotten pay increases that offset that crazy cost I'd have had to make some drastic decisions in regards to where I lived.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/rental-affordability-crisis-hud

Tuition is alot higher these days too. So much so that kids with degrees are staying home while they try to pay them off. I feel fortunate that I came in "under the knife" so to speak. I graduated from college in 2004. Tuition started going up alot around that time and hasn't stopped. My sister is paying substantially more for a year of college than I did for my entire 2 year program + room/board for the whole year.

I don't blame one single thing personally, but I think a combination of stagnant wages and high living costs are good indicators. Lets not forget more baby boomers are working well into their retirement years, and baby boomers invented the whole "helicopter parenting" thing also.

yea the housing market here in ohio is cheap. but rent prices are out of control up here in The Land.

and yes, perfect point man, the cost of school, coupled with the fact that not a lot of people are finding jobs in their field directly after graduating plays a huge role in that.

Has anyone noticed that the federal government has taken control of student loans, housing loans, and affordable housing? Add in overregulation of business, EPA overregulation, overtaxing, healthcare takeover, schools, and we get the economy that sucks so bad today. Please tell me I'm not the only one that noticed that.

Feel free to tell me I'm completely wrong, and continue to live like you are today without much hope of upward mobility.

well of course. but there has to be balance.

right now, the private sector has proven over and over we can't be left to our own devices.

the government has proven over and over they can't as well.

so....if you look at every candidate running for president, both left and right, maybe excluding rand paul and sanders, none of them in the grand scheme of things are going to change much of anything.

That is a scary statement, no matter what precedes or follows it.

the truth is scary....

which is why people don't like talking about it.

"the government has proven over and over they can't as well."

Sounds like Swish is saying neither should be trusted. Not sure how this is a scary sentence at all?

Like I said, no matter what preceded, or followed what I quoted, the statement I quoted is extremely scary.

Uncalled for rhetoric filth

ok, so how do you feel about what i said?

For us to not trust the government is fine, for them not to trust us as citizens is not fine.
For them not to trust business, which is where I think you were going with this is understandable. Otherwise we'd still have factories dumping waste into rivers like they used to. (If some still are don't blame me I'm on lunch and not gonna google it).

Disagree a bit. The government should not be afraid of its people as they are people before they're a government employee.

But I agree with the rest. I'm not sure what's frightening about not trusting companies that use child labor, that use tax loop holes to avoid fair payment and destroy the environment. Honestly, it doesn't make sense, especially since skepticism and mistrust are some of the best tools in capitalism.

Just so everyone knows, you're quote mining:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context

Uh, isn't the American Government supposed to be the People?

Of, By and For the People?

Seems maybe its time to tell our Government...

Government, YOU'RE FIRED!

uhhh, but the politicians come directly from us.

so in a sense, we're the failures.

whoa.

#ancientastronaut

For as good as the framers of the constitution were, dropping term limits from the articles of confederation when it was redrafted into the constitution still haunts us.

Rome got alot of stuff wrong and alot of stuff right, but one thing they did get right was term limits. If you were elected to office, you were in office for one year, and were not able to run again for 10.

I do wish we could find a way to force our representatives into this type of format. They would think twice (and the founders knew this) about the laws they enacted if they thought they would be living under them as well.

I wish they would think twice of funding Planned Parenthood
and their slaughter of the innocent and harvesting of their
body parts.

I didn't think that I hid that. I completely disclosed in my statements that I took one statement as a scary thought, no matter what preceeded or followed it.

good to know you're an honest cherry picker. i also observed you refused to answer my question when i asked you what does it mean to you.

Actually, I am in the middle of answering it right now.

I believe that the founders of our system said that we need to be really careful as to the scope and range of the power of many different holders of political power. While, at that time, we did not have the concerns of major industries pouring money into the process like we do today, I do think that they would have concerns there.

I will say that I would like to see major reforms on bribery of government officials, but that this has to be balanced with the right of business entities to express themselves within our political system.

This is what you originally said:



I actually do agree to an extent .... but I really don't know what Constitutional means we can take to change things. I think that the constant movement towards a system controlled by a few people, and a few business interests, is a concern. Both sides do it. Look at GE and Warren Buffett as examples of how it works with a Democrat President, a supposed representative of the little guy. Heck, look at Obamacare, which more and more people are seeing for what it is, a massive giveaway to the insurance companies. That was almost 100% Democrats.

Like I said, I think that we need to take a serious look at laws as far as where the line between support for a candidate and bribery is to be drawn. That's not going to be an easy battle to be fought. Other than that, I really don't knwo where or how to start, and I agree that this is a really scary thought.

I think that you misunderstood me in thinking that I somehow completely disagreed with you. I do not. I just found the statement you made to be absolutely terrifying. I don't want massive governmental overreach into business and industry, because I don't really trust those in power politically. The one good thing about many in power in the business world is that if they overstep too far, people can be motivated to act against them in large numbers. I think that many in business can be controlled through their own self interest, and people can more easily affect them even more than they can politicians, and certainly more quickly. Look at the boycotts over the years, protesting certain actions and choices by certain companies, advertisers, and so on. I think that the people can exercise power in that arena, in many ways, more quickly and easily than they can in the political arena. I think that is one way in which the 2 arenas of power differ.

Just because you disclosed that you are cherry picking doesn't mean it's right though. You are describing a portion of Swish's post as his position while removing everything else from the discussion.

EDIT: I saw you just posted a response to his post in full which is good

I also never said that it was right, or wrong .... just frightening.

I know, and either way you clarified your position, so we're good as far as I'm concerned.

I was thrilled to hear all the Republican Candidates say they were
Pro-Life and one of them said what I had said about in the future
people would look back at the people of this time and wonder why
they were such Barbarians.

Some even called for defunding Planned Parenthood for their Killing
of children and harvesting their body parts.

One even called for a criminal investigation.

Defund everything and make sure to ensure my liberties. Planned Parenthood is not entitled to any tax money. A single mother in Brook Park is not entitled to free government subsidized contraceptives. Responsibility for your sexuality is your own. I do not want to be involved in any manner or fashion. That is what your significant other, family, and clergy are for. I am neither of those things.

Voleur

defund the military.

if citizens and politicians want to go to war, they should start a fund raising event to pay for the war. i don't want anything to do with going to the middle east to fight. that's what your gun is for. so use it.

Providing for the national defense is specifically addressed in the Constitution.

Condoms are not. Neither are abortions.

Swish,

I believe it has become to easy for the Feds to go to war. I agree. Make it be a declaration of war by the Congress as it should be. Also, fight the war as a war not a nation building exercise. We seem to treat citizens of hostile countries as victims of their own regimes. They are complicit in the regime. The person who farms the field that feeds the suicide bomber, who kills soldiers at a military base are part of the problem as well. Destroy the farms that feed the enemy. Destroy the cities that house the enemy and give them sustenance. You cannot win a war avoiding destroying your opponent's support for waging war. It is not the role of the Federal government to care for the poor, the weak, the downtrodden. It is the role of the Federal government to ensure my liberties are protected from enemies foreign and domestic. Hold the producers of our war materials accountable as well. It is your DUTY as a government official to be a good steward of the taxpayer's money. It is not a solution to throw your hands up and say because we should not fund Planned Parenthood, we can then say we should not fund the national defense.

This is my primary problem with the whole argument... on one hand a group of people takes the "keep your laws off my body" and "what I do in my bedroom is none of your concern" approach... on the other hand this same group of people wants this same government (and by default, the taxpayers), who they don't want to regulate (or even have an opinion about) anything they are allowed to do, to then provide the free the contraceptives if they choose to be promiscuous and to pay for abortions if they fail in protecting themselves, etc...

Sure seems to me like they want to play the game from both ends (no pun intended)... they want all of the freedom but none of the responsibility.

And I'm NOT for denying anybody needed healthcare. If they want "free" clinics to provide the screenings and the exams to ensure health.. and the government needs to fund that.. Hey, I can get behind that. But sex is a CHOICE... I don't care if everybody does it, I don't care if it's illogical to think kids AREN'T going to do it, it's still a choice.

If sex was a choice we wouldn't have so many ugly people in this world.

IMO the benefit of providing contraception, especially to those who can't afford it, is to help limit abortions.

Wanting the government out of your bedroom and body has everything to do with responsibility. Extremist radical conservatives want the government to be responsible for forcing any woman who conceives in this country to be the ultimate provider for that child's needs. These are the same who want the government to be responsible for ensuring single mothers get less than a living wage.

That's the both ends that's actually happening right at this moment.

rockdawg, that is silly to say. I do not think myself a conservative and I want the government out of my bedroom. I also want the government out of the business of wage controls. It is not the person who values liberty and personal responsibility that is the radical. It is the person who wishes others to be responsible for them and to forfeit their liberties on the alter of social equality. The issue of abortion to me is not a moral one. However, I can understand those who take that moral position. I see abortion as a liberty issue. My government feels it can take from me in order to provide for another based on the moral judgments of a few self serving, elitist politicians. I for one am not willing to do so. If you want an abortion, by all means have one. Do not ask anyone to pay for it other than yourself. Do not ask anyone to subsidize it. Do not ask anyone to sanction it. Do not ask anyone to take responsibility for your choices other than yourself. The enemy to the citizenry has become the government itself. It controls prices, wages, access, availability to all things and is corrupted by its ability to deny anything to anyone for any reason. Please do not confuse compensation for work done to actual economics today. The government has created a mess through central planning that it cannot fix. The only fix is to remove the "fixer" from the entire process.