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Excellent point, Dana Loesch (sp?) was on win Megyn Kelly saying that very thing the other night. So if PP doesn't use government money to perform abortions they are no longer necessary.

It might be an excellent point if it weren't patently wrong.

The Affordable Care Act requires that insurance companies cover preventative women’s health care services and prenatal care, and has already saved women over $1 billion dollars on birth control by reducing co-pays and deductibles. The law also established funding to construct health centers to increase access to health care.

But the law does not guarantee that there are clinics accessible to provide women these health services. Some local pharmacies may stock prescription birth control, for example, but they aren’t equipped to perform pap smears, conduct exams for breast cancer, or provide treatment for sexually transmitted diseases.

That kind of critical women’s health care is provided at the hundreds of Planned Parenthood clinics. According to their most recent annual report, from October 2012 to September 2013 their clinics performed almost 900,000 pap tests and breast exams, over 3.5 million birth control information and service requests, and nearly 4.5 million tests and treatments for STIs.
The same report (once again) confirmed that only 3 percent of Planned Parenthood’s services were abortion-related.

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/...h.fdgOxwkd.dpuf

More info on why PP works with "Obamacare":

http://obamacarefacts.com/2015/07/23/do-we-still-need-planned-parenthood/

Thank you. Also that 3% and 97% crap is bogus too, I posted that up a couple of days ago.

Yes, it is. We still have many people who live in rural areas where services that Planned Parenthood is operating. And just because a place is ran by planned parenthood doesn't mean they perform abortions. Bobby Jindal wants to bar Planned Parenthood from Medicaid in his State, yet not a single one of them provides abortions. It's ridiculous. Also, the 3% claim is correct. The Washington Post's article was kinda horrible and led to a lot of false analogies.

Another problem is that once Planned Parenthood is closed, none of these health care providers want to become woman's healthcare providers. And why should they? They don't know how to do it. Planned Parenthood is around for a reason and the reason is because they're needed.

If you want to live in denial that's entirely up to you.

Y'know that's so true, there are absolutely no doctors, or female doctors on earth at all. Once they're gone half the population on the planet is gonna die.

The only plus planned parenthood has is that they accept walk-ins.

A gynocological private practice will provide much superior services and care.

It's not about that. It's about people who want to give pap smears when it wasn't previously offered. Most general practitioners and family doctors don't want to scrape cells from a woman's uterus and put it under a microscope.

That's the main reason why states that have defunded Planned Parenthood rank near the worse for Woman's Healthcare. That's the funny thing about debate. We've seen everyone say, "Defund PP, we'll set up our own system. Abortion free." but in every state that has said that they rank near last in Woman's Health. Because of that reason above.

Most women I know have a gyno. There is no shortage of those.

Except that's not true at all. Florida only has an OBGYN in 23 of it's 67 counties.

http://www.acog.org/-/media/Departments/...0422T1117327900

But the facts don't matter too much.

Have you ever been to Florida? A large percentage of it is extremely rural with very few people living there. The main population lives along the coast, where there are plenty of OBGYN, according to your link. There would be no Planned Parenthoods in those rural areas either.

That's like complaining there are no OBGYN in the mountains of Wyoming.

And I want to add. That while I disagree there is a shortage of doctors, I do agree that Planned Parenthood is needed. Seems like their clientele is the very young, very poor, and/or the very irresponsible. These people aren't likely to make an appointment with a gyno or primary care physician. So it does serve a purpose. I do see it doing good.

When I was very young I went to Planned Parenthood a couple times because I wanted the pill and not the hassle of seeing a gyno in a normal setting. There is the convenience factor. These days if I wanted that, I would just go to my gyno since I have an established relationship/record with them.

And this is the problem. PP supporters are trying to say, "Please don't defund us. Resources are already scare out here as is; if you defund us then the woman who depend on us -- the poor and the young, neither of which necessarily choose to live in these rural environments -- are very dependent on us. Defunding us will make the closest facilities to help them, further away. Living in a rural environment shouldn't be a punishment that they must pay for with their health."

I wasn't aware that PP is in rural areas as I've only seen them in metropolitian areas. Not that I ever hang out in rural areas. If that's true, then I agree with you.

Here is the list of the 23 PP facilities in Florida:

http://plannedparenthood.org/health-center/FL/

They are in such "small towns" as:

Boca Raton
Bradenton
Ft. Myers
Gainesville
Immokalee
Jacksonville
Kissimmee
Lakeland
Miami(X3)
Naples
Orlando(X2)
Pembroke Pines
Sarasota
St. Petersburg
Stuart
Tallahassee
Tampa
Wellington
West Palm Beach
Winter Haven

Now I don't know a whole lot about Florida, even though I have relatives there ...... but like you said, I don't see a lot of rural locations there.

You know they defunded Planned Pregnancy in 2001 down in Florida, right?

Can't be. How could they still have PP centers down there if they were defunded?

(and this was from the PP website itself, so obviously defunding didn't kill them off entirely) I used Florida because they were brought up in earlier conversation. Please feel free to use another state to show all of the remote, rural offices of PP.

Because PP gets federal grants as well.

And their rural offices are ....... ?

Are you really this dense? Your "gotcha" moment was ruined by the fact that you used modern locations as the ruler and not the ones in 2000. I literally said do not defund PP because it'll make it harder for them to run their facilities and they will have to close. You're literally posting results of this and saying, "Ha!" and to answer your question. I saw 3 PP's in areas with 0.1-0.9 OBGYN's per 10k citizens. So yes, they still are helping these counties. Next time do your research beforehand.

You said rural areas.

Man, a lot of Florida is old people. (and no offense to old people, I happen to be getting closer to that every day) Older women, post menopausal, don't do to the OB GYN nearly as often as younger women do.

Florida is aging, even as it is growing.

In 1990, Florida's total population was roughly 13 million, and their over 65 population was 2.4 million. (18.4%) In 2020, the projection is that the total population will be 21 million, and the over 65 will be 4.5 million. (21.4%)

Moreover, in 1990, the population from 45-64 was 2.5 million. (19%) So, their total population from 45 and up was roughly 37.4% of their population in 1990.

By 2020, the projected population from 45-64 is expected to be 5.5 million. (26.2%) So, by 2020, the total percentage of the population age 45 and up is expected to be 48.6%. While older women do require OBGYN care, they typically go in far less frequr=ently than younger women do.

Link

I would also guess that fewer people are going into OBGYN as the population ages. There will be fewer regular patients as the population gets older.

Now, to ask a question regarding your "Ha" ...... how many OB GYN are there per 10K citizens across the country?

According to the BLS Link Florida has the 3rd most OB GYN in the country.

Ohio has .25 per 100K people. Florida has .18. (but again, with an older population) Mass. has only .12 per 100K people. Iowa has only 6! California has only 16. (a lower ratio than Florida) Texas also has only 16 per 100K people, also lower than Florida. Illinois has only 11 per 100K.

Combining Florida's age distribution with OB GYN per 100K puts them in pretty good shape.

Oh, and what about the other 20? You said that 3 might serve less populated areas ..... what about the other 20?

Rockdawg,

The national defense is a role the government has. Women's healthcare is NOT a role the government has. The protection of my Constitutional rights is a goal of government. The government has NO role in restricting my Constitutional rights. You mention greedy corporations and wages. It is not the role of the government to determine wages. It is the fact that the government has taken on a role with wages and subsidizes poverty through entitlement programs that has created the immoral corporate environment you speak of. You should be against entitlements, corporate welfare, government regulation, restrictions on your liberties. I do not understand how your reason for government intervention is the corruption caused by government intervention.

I don't think the Government or anybody for that matter should be involved in killing kids and harvest their body parts.

I shudder to think what this Society of Death would do if we
had a terrible food shortage.

The getting into the weeds about abortion is counter productive. It does not serve any purpose other than to muddy the debate. The facts are that the government has intervened into healthcare and the citizenry is no better off because of it. In fact, the citizenry are worse off. Why is it that when someone says, " I am from the government and I am here to help." people laugh? It is because everyone knows the government cannot help. It is often the cause of whatever ails you. All the talk about numbers, statistics, and quoting articles written by talking heads does not add to the debate. The debate is truly only one thing, should the government be involved in the lives of its citizens or should it not be involved in the lives of its citizens. If you are for funding Planned Parenthood, you are for a larger more intrusive government. If you are against funding Planned Parenthood, you are for a less intrusive government. The details blind those who try to read something more than that.

Do you not understand that Florida's lack of PP is a direct result of their funding over 10 years ago? I have yet to see you acknowledge it. Don't pull a 40. Can you please talk about that after a decade of defunding PP, giving them ample time to find a solution or a replacement, they still have the worst Woman's Health Care in the nation? Seems like you're kinda avoiding that discussion too.

Except giving funding to PP doesn't promote a more intrusive government? Could you please list how it does that? One example, really.

Sure, I'll accept your Florida point. I had actually moved on from that.

Now show me a state with a lot of PP facilities in rural areas.

I read a stat that something like 70% (IIRC) of PP's facilities are within walking distance of urban, minority areas. You seem to disagree, and think that if PP was eliminated from the face of the earth today, that rural areas would not have access to an OB GYN care as a result. I want to know where you get all of these rural PP facilities.

As far as people not having access to women's health care, wasn't that part of the point of Obamacare? We were supposed to have comprehensive care, and also women's care as an added, deductible free, service. If that is the case, then isn't PP redundant? If everyone is going to have Obamacare, and Obamacare offers free care for OB GYN type services,

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-womens-health-services/

New Preventive Services for Women
Women across America will benefit from the new provisions and protections in the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare). As of Aug. 1st, 2012, or at their next renewal date, women will have access to a large number of preventive services which will be completely covered by the insurance companies. These services include:

• Well-woman visits.

• Gestational diabetes screening that helps protect pregnant women from one of the most serious pregnancy-related diseases.

• Domestic and interpersonal violence screening and counseling.

• FDA-approved contraceptive methods, and contraceptive education and counseling.

• Breastfeeding support, supplies, and counseling.

• HPV DNA testing, for women 30 or older.

• Sexually transmitted infections counseling for sexually-active women.

• HIV screening and counseling for sexually-active women.

• Mammograms and Colonoscopies (since Sept 2010)

So .... women can get these services for free, from their family doctor. Why should there be federal funding for PP, when they are redundant?

Why wait for a replacement, when one is already here? It was provided by President Obama. Really, the only think that PP provides that a woman cannot get through her insurance company is an abortion.

If PP closed their doors, then OB GYN's working for them would have to go into private practice. That would even out the number of OB GYN available to women, wouldn't it?

Because of Obamacare, PP has become redundant in every way except for abortion services, wouldn't you agree?

who cares. PP isn't going anywhere. YTown if you don't want an abortion, then don't get one.

Again, you're not getting it. Yes, 70% of PP's are in urban, low-income areas which they help a lot. Not sure why you brought that up. That further shows the dependency on PP by low-income patients, people who are outside the traditional system and have remained outside the traditional healthcare market. I also didn't say that PP is only in rural areas, I'm saying that rural areas need PP. If PP funding goes down, they'll most likely get the ax as they don't have the patient output that urban PP's have.

I don't know why it's my job to prove that PP are in rural areas, especially considering I already did so with your poor Florida example. If you want to know, stop being lazy and look it up yourself.

YTown, I just went over how Florida has defunded PP over a decade ago (14 years, some of you have children that age for time comparison), yet they now rank worst in Women's health care. This flies in the face of your argument that PP doesn't need federal help because private facilities will replace them. However this is shown not to be true. Please just focus on this part and see the error in your ways.

Boy that was a good one! Why don't you tell that to the baby getting its brains sucked out the back of it's head?

I wonder if people ever thank God that their own mother didn't decide that they were just a blob to be disposed of?

I wonder how many who are pro abortion would be forgiving if their wife was pregnant, and their wife went into one of these "health centers", and the facility screwed up and aborted their child by accident?

How would you abort a child by accident? That doesn't even make sense.

Sure thing CHSDawg. When a single government dollar is spent, it has strings to it. The government can dictate what that money can be spent on. It can dictate what services must be offered. The government is not a charitable organization. They do not do thing from the goodness of its heart. They want something in return and usually it is control. Planned Parenthood could NEVER refuse to do what its master financier, Uncle Sam requests they do. Remove the money from government as much as possible is the only solution. Corruption is the rule of the day in government. All this in not new. It has happened from the beginning of time. The reason the USA has been a bastion of freedom and hope to the world is our freedoms and our separation of powers. The checks and balances. Right now the government is working against its citizens. The legislative branch creates laws to limit freedoms. The judicial branch creates 'rights' out of whole cloth in order to restrict freedoms and reinforces legislative restrictions of freedoms. The executive branch actively moves to restrict freedoms. This cannot possibly end badly?

Any time the government gets involved with anything it is a total clusterf*ck. Politicians go to Washington wealthy and leave super-wealthy. Planned Parenthood would not consider taking a single dollar of federal money if it was not a corrupt organization itself. The leaders of PP know what side their bread is buttered. They support politicians who continue to send them money. They do not act on the behalf of their clients. They care less about the people who they "serve". If you believe that government is not corrupt, then I can see how you can believe in federal subsidizes for organizations like Planned Parenthood. If you believe government is corrupt, you cannot in good conscience support an organization like Planned Parenthood.

I wonder if you'll respond to how Florida has the worst woman's health care despite them having more than a decade of options that aren't PP

i would be forgiving, as my wife has already had one. we talked about it, we both agreed.

did you lose any sleep over it? no. so unless you do, please stop acting like you actually care. unless you plan on paying my bills, you can be quiet about making my wife or mine decision.


i dunno how i would feel about my mom getting an abortion seeing as i wouldn't be alive to think about it. so my response would be....and?

You're not really making sense in some of this. I'll admit the government is corrupt. Republicans and Democrats are the same thing. However, I don't vote Republican or Democrat, so I'm already doing my part in uncorrupting America. But again, some of this doesn't make sense. How does the federal government supporting PP infringe on the rights of others? What examples are you using for the SC taking away rights of the people? I don't disagree with you in general, but I would like a few more examples of how this, PP specifically, causes government intrusiveness.

But what if your Mom got an accidental abortion? What would you think then????? Huh????