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Bernie Sanders is pulling past Hillary Clinton for the Democrats.

I find it interesting that Sanders and Trump are such radical
choices and the people, being so fed up with the Feds have
thrown their weight behind these guys.

Trump, Carson and Walker lead in Iowa for the Republicans.

US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) has surged to a lead over Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton in the first-in-the-nation primary state of New Hampshire, according to a new Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll out late Tuesday night.

The poll gives Sanders a 44-37 lead over Clinton in the run for the Democratic nomination in the state.
http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-new-hampshire-2015-8

Fringe or radical choices are always popular at this time of the year in primary elections. Jesse Jackson, Howard Dean, Rick Santorum, Gary Hart, Richard Gephardt, Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, etc. This is their time to shine. You have to remember, you're dealing with extremely limited polling. The one you cited compromised 442 people. And that's most likely 442 people who had nothing better to do and didn't hang up their phone upon realizing what it was. I don't see Sanders surpassing Hillary in fundraising, which is the most important facet of a candidacy. But she's certainly vulnerable. And Trump has zero chance of winning a general election. The GOP would never run him.

And yet, later in the election process, we're supposed to believe the polls of 1200 people? Or 1400 people?

The Polls right now have a plus or minus of 4 which means all
the Republicans below Trump and Carson could be tied for Third place.

Makes it fun to follow, just like when the Browns play Pittsburgh, it is probably gonna end with a 3 point difference but it's still fun watching.

Not at all. If one looked at polling data in 2004, for example, Kerry was pretty much running away with the election. Nate Silver has been remarkably accurate in recent years, but he doesn't release the formulas that lead to his conclusions. They are, however, not simply reliant on polling data. I think the biggest difference between now and say, October '16, is who is willing to take part in these polls. Neither will provide an accurate representation, but October '16 may come closer to reflecting the average voter. And the average voter isn't likely to turn out for side show events in Iowa or New Hampshire. The types of people that back a Donald Trump or a Ron Paul are. That's my best guess as to why these candidates who clearly won't have a shot at the nomination, yet somehow see inflated poll numbers at this stage of primaries.

Sure, I agree with that.

I thought they were polling the Cutlass club.

So I see where Joe Biden is taking the necessary steps to enter the race.

The Dems also look to be digging deep to possibly even run Al Gore again!

I think Hillary is coming undone.

Yeah, I can see that. Not that I think Hillary will ever get in trouble for her deeds, but if Gore gets in than the only thing I can think of is he is plan B for the Dems.

Rubio
Walker
Kasich

At the very least, the GOP has managed to trot out some less-familiar faces. In that regard, they seem to be ahead of the Donks.


Tired of all the retreads... on both sides.

This is true, but also part of the problem. Until we increase the candidate/Party field we'll pretty much get the status quo. As long as corporate money runs politics nothing will change. I'm a pretty optimistic guy by nature, but when it comes to politics, I'm not so sure anymore.

I feel the same way. It can be seen in action this early in the process. Sanders had huge turnouts in Seattle and Portland. 20,000plus people. Yet the media barely mentions it and continues to push Hillary. Even though she's falling behind his polling numbers.
The puppet masters own the media. They also own our politicians. It wouldn't surprise me if Sanders doesn't get the Democrat nod even if he's poling higher.

No surprise there. Same thing happened to Ron Paul when he ran. The disgusting thing about it is we, the American people sit by and allow this garbage to happen. Then have the nerve to complain about the state of our country. I have less than three years till my daughter is out the house. Then I'm gone.

Anybody want to explain to me why the GOP is against diplomacy?


In speech, Rubio slams Obama's outreach to Iran and Cuba

http://news.yahoo.com/speech-rubio-slams-obamas-outreach-iran-cuba-115301196.html

NEW YORK (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio is slamming President Barack Obama's outreach to Iran and Cuba, calling his diplomacy with the two nations evidence of "every flawed strategic, moral and economic notion" that has driven his foreign policy.

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In a speech Friday to the conservative-leaning Foreign Policy Initiative in New York, set for delivery the same day Secretary of State John Kerry re-opens the U.S. embassy in Havana, the Florida senator will say that Obama has made no efforts "to stand on the side of freedom."

"He has been quick to deal with the oppressors, but slow to deal with the oppressed," Rubio says in excerpts of prepared remarks released by his campaign.

A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and one of the top-tier candidates in a crowded Republican field for president, the Cuban-American lawmaker has made foreign policy a centerpiece of his campaign.

In the speech, he pledges to roll back what he calls Obama's "concessions" to Cuba and the recently completed nuclear deal with Iran and says he will "repair the damage done to America's standing in the Middle East."

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Rubio says he would demand that the Cuban government carry out political and human rights reforms to maintain diplomatic relations and would return the country to the U.S. list of state sponsors of terrorism until it stops "helping North Korea evade international sanctions" and "harboring fugitives from American justice."

The Obama administration has said it is normalizing ties with Cuba after more than 50 years of hostility failed to shake the communist government's hold on power. It argues that dealing directly with Cuba over issues including human rights and trade is far more likely to produce reforms over the long term.

The issue is one of personal importance to Rubio, whose parents emigrated from Cuba in the 1950s.

Rubio in his speech also vows to re-impose the economic sanctions U.S. and other world powers agreed to lift in exchange for curbs on Tehran's nuclear program.

"I will give the mullahs a choice: either you have an economy or you have a nuclear program, but you cannot have both," he says.

Opposition to the Iran nuclear deal, brokered by the U.S., Britain China, France, Germany and Russia, is universal among the Republican candidates for president. Congress will vote on the agreement in about a month, and Obama is working to secure enough Democratic votes to prevent Congress from overriding his veto of its likely vote to oppose the deal.

There are biological differences in a the amygdala (threat processing) centers of liberal vs. conservative brains. Conservatives tend towards isolationism, inner group preference and perceiving outsiders as threats. There are pros and cons to this...as liberals don't typically process legitimate threats well (see economics) and conservatives can perceive threats which do not actually exist at times. There are actually a bunch of different areas in the brain which are different and influence pretty predictably the political opinions people express.

A lot of these liberal vs. conservative debates are literally biological differences that aren't going to change. This plays into basically every political topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_political_orientation

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/h...a031_story.html

I can see the truth in what you are saying here!

When the Grid goes down, it will be the Conservatives who have stocked up on water since there is no electricity to run the city's pumps.

It will be the Liberals who have zero water and will waste their precious tears crying that the Conservatives have too much water and should be forced to spread it around!

Yea, yea, I see it! Kingcob wise.

Not to worry, we'll have all the guns too.

If having guns, being prepared for a catastrophic event are what defines a conservative, 40 may wish to check his list as to who should be on it. lol

Now how can you call yourself a Browns fan and not be willing to toss the man a bone now and then? lol

I wouldn't mind doing that at all. Problem being he seems to want all of the meat and leave me only the bone. That's where things get murky. lol

so conservatives hate others?

makes a lot of sense when you hear most of them speak. 40 is the epitome of this.

Hey now, any real liberal would have guns

jc

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are on top of their parties in the Iowa Fair Poll!

Sanders leads Clinton in New Hampshire and Iowa!

http://sos.iowa.gov/statefair.html

j/c

Didn't see this posted. Here is Trump on the Oprah Winfrey Show back in '88.

Interesting.

Video Link

When the grid goes down we can blame it on the lazy union that failed to improve it and are now more than comfortably retired spending our money.

I'm liking what I'm seeing in Rubio and Kasich,,, Don't want any part of Walker

I agree with those who say the American People are angry and that is why you see so much support for Trump and Sanders currently. They are the ones yelling and shaking a fist at the system, just like Ron Paul did in the last election. Paul eventually faded and so will Trump/Sanders.

With his nearly 99% name recognition, I have to think that Trump is at or near his ceiling of support, with 25-30% favorability among Repub voters. No other Republican has more than 60% name recognition, according to a recent poll. In a way the same is true for Clinton. Her email scandal is a drag on her campaign, which is why I believe Joe Biden will enter the race soon. FWIW (I tend to vote Repub), I think the Dems best candidate, in terms of gaining independent voters, would be James Webb, but I doubt lefty Dems will allow it.

I've said the same about Webb and like him very much as a candidate.

To tell you the truth this is the first I have heard of Webb.
Must investigate! So much for name recognition!

The James Webb Space Telescope (JWST), previously known as Next Generation Space Telescope (NGST), is a space observatory under construction and scheduled to launch in October 2018.

HUH???

keep looking...

James Webb: War hero, former US senator, presidential longshot
Former Virginia senator James Webb disdains Washington politics but is running for president. Can Webb make it as a populist maverick with conservative tendencies in a Democratic Party being nudged to the left?



He’s a highly-decorated Vietnam combat veteran who argued strongly against the latest American war efforts abroad. A Democrat who held high positions in the Reagan administration, he won a US Senate seat in Virginia, beating a Republican incumbent being talked about as presidential material, then declining to run for a second term after six years in office.

He’s a proud Southerner whose ancestors fought for the Confederacy and who has a more nuanced view of the Confederate flag than do most politicians of either party scrambling to distance themselves from what is seen as a racist symbol. But he’s also a strong supporter of drug-law and prison reform, which would benefit many African-Americans prosecuted and imprisoned in disproportionate numbers compared to whites.

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He’s a populist to the right of Hillary Rodham Clinton (certainly Bernie Sanders) on many issues, such as gun rights and the environment.


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He’s also the author of ten books (six of them novels) who taught literature at the United States Naval Academy, from which he graduated in 1968, and a journalist who won an Emmy Award for his 1983 PBS coverage of the US Marines in Beirut.

Last November, Mr. Webb announced that he was forming an exploratory committee regarding a possible bid for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination. On Thursday, Webb made his candidacy official in a 2,000-word statement posted on his campaign website and on Facebook.

Nothing surprising in what he had to say there, at least to those aware of his personal and political history.

“We all want the American dream – unending opportunity at the top if you put things together and you make it, absolute fairness along the way, and a safety net underneath you if you fall on hard times or suffer disability or as you reach your retirement years,” Webb writes. “More than anything else, Americans want their leaders to preserve that dream, for all of us and not for just a few.”

He reviews his opposition to the US-led invasion and occupation of Iraq and the use of US military force in Libya, which “did not meet the test of a grave national security interest.” (As a US senator and then secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton supported both actions.)

“The attack in Benghazi [which killed four Americans, including the US ambassador] was inevitable in some form or another, as was the continuing chaos and the dissemination of large numbers of weapons from Qaddafi’s armories to terrorist units throughout the region,” he says.

But Webb also makes clear that he is not an isolationist: “If I am elected as your President I can promise you that we will not accept China’s continuing military expansion and intimidation in such areas as the South China Sea. Nor will we be so fearful of our economic reliance on trade with China that we fail to protect our citizens in such matters as cybersecurity, where it is becoming increasingly apparent that the personal information of millions of Americans have been penetrated and breached, apparently by Chinese intelligence agencies.”

Several times in his announcement statement, Webb urges “economic fairness,” which he says should be restored “starting with finding the right formula for growing our national economy while making our tax laws more balanced and increasing the negotiating leverage of our working people.”

Webb’s best-known book is “Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America,” essentially a history that includes his family, who emigrated to America and fought in every US war, including the Revolutionary War.

As a Booklist review notes, “Scots-Irish culture has produced American presidents from Andrew Jackson to Bill Clinton, soldiers from Ulysses S. Grant to George Patton, pioneers, preachers, and others whose most common characteristics may be described as fierce individualism, persistent egalitarianism, and a strong sense of personal honor.”

That, in essence, describes James Webb, who was a boxer at the US Naval Academy, and who commanded a US Marine Corps platoon and company in Vietnam, seeing fierce combat for which he was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, and two Purple Hearts. In the Reagan administration, he served as assistant secretary of defense and Navy Secretary. He has a law degree from Georgetown University.

Can Webb make it as a populist maverick (with strong conservative tendencies) in a Democratic Party being nudged to the left?

“The tired old categories need a reset,” writes Bill Kaufmann in The American Conservative. “Webb, who praises the ‘Southern redneck’ as ‘the greatest inhibitor of the plans of the activist Left and the cultural Marxists for a new kind of society,’ will be the most powerful voice in his party for drug-law and prison reform, an end to promiscuous military interventions, and closing the chasm between the plutocracy and the rest of us.”

One thing is for sure, Webb told the International Association of Fire Fighters earlier this year, “I think I can safely say that I am still the only person ever elected to statewide office in Virginia with a union card, two Purple Hearts and three tattoos.”
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/20...ential-longshot

HEY! We gotta get this guy!!!

I'm really surprised you didn't call him a fence rider. lol

He's a blue dog democrat. A throw back to the days of Kennedy. Far more conservative than any other Dem. candidate yet cares about social issues.

Of course he'll never see the light of day with the Democratic party because of his conservative tendencies, to me he represents what I'd like to see in a president. A guy who's been to war so he understands not to take war lightly, a strong, decorated military history, strength combined with compassion and someone I'd be proud to call my president.

if he's not pro weed, i don't wanna hear it.

A Republican who actually cares about people and shows in his actions? He has to be a unicorn, but man i like this guy:

John Kasich 'Didn't Read a Bible' to Decide to Expand Medicaid

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articl...caid?cmpid=yhoo

Republican presidential candidate John Kasich said that while his faith is important to him, Christianity was only one factor in his decision to expand Medicaid under Obamacare.

"I don't read a Bible to figure out what I think," the Ohio governor said during a Sunday appearance on CNN's State of the Union. He went on to explain that the decision to expand Medicaid would also save the state money "by taking people out of prison an letting them get a job where they would become a taxpayer."

Kasich also said that he felt that it was wrong to keep people with mental health issues in jail, instead of treating them.

"I just have a heart for people who have been disabled or disadvantaged," he said.

Kasich said his faith has also guided his philosophies on early childhood education. He refuted the idea that his attitudes toward the social safety net are uncharacteristic of a Republican.

"I think Republicans have allowed themselves to be put in a box," he said. "To me, conservatism is giving everybody a chance to be successful."

When it comes to religion guiding policy, Kasich is by no means alone in the Republican field. At the Fox News debate earlier this month, a Facebook user asked the candidates if they had "received a word from God" on what issues to tackle if elected.

While not all the candidates was given time to answer the question, those who did stressed the importance of religion, while offering subtle differences on how much direct influence Christianity would have during those first hypothetical days in office.

Texas Senator Ted Cruz said, "I am blessed to receive a word from God every day in receiving the scriptures and reading the scriptures."

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker talked about the personal impact his faith has had, but said that "God hasn't given me a list, a Ten Commandments, if you will, of things to act on the first day."

The Supreme Court can no more repeal the laws of nature and nature's God on marriage than it can the law of gravity.

Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who has criticized the Supreme Court's ruling on gay marriage as going against "the laws of nature and nature's God," continued to press his religiously based view that no abortion exemptions should be made for cases of rape and incest.

"When I think about one horror, I also think about the possibilities that exist," he told CNN's State of the Union. "And I just don't want to think that somehow we discount a human life.”

Kasich, meanwhile, portrayed abortion as an issue that GOP politicians focus on too much.

"I think (abortion) is an important issue, but I think there's many other issues that are really critical. Early childhood. Infant mortality. The environment. Education," he said. "I think we focus too much on just one issue, and now that the issue of gay marriage is kind of off the table, we're kind of down to one social issue."

Kasich is a Fence sitting semi-dem, 2/3 lib.

oh so you don't actually care about christian values.

starting to make a lot more sense around these boards.

it's mostly lip service going on. got it.

Yes prison release programs, I love them. As someone in the security business, early release programs are like getting a raise. Who says crime doesn't pay, it pays me pretty well.

Let those tax payers out!