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LOL Swish... you're a little slow on the uptake there bro. I figured that out on like his third post. What we have here is a conversation with a parrot.

yea man lol. i'm a sucker for hope.

you have GOT to be freaking kidding me:

Huckabee's hard line on abortion: 10-year-old rape victim should have to carry child

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/huckabee-on-abortion-10-year-old-rape-victim-126844580291.html

Huckabee speaks at the Iowa State Fair. (Photo: Charlie Riedel/AP)

Republican presidential hopeful Mke Huckabee says he does not believe in abortion under any circumstance — including the rape of a 10-year-old girl.

“Creating one problem that is horrible — let nobody be misled, a 10-year-old girl being raped is horrible,“ Huckabee said in an interview on CNN’s "State of the Union” Sunday. “But does it solve a problem by taking the life of an innocent child? And that’s really the issue.”

Last week in Paraguay, an 11-year-old girl gave birth to a healthy baby girl after being denied an abortion despite allegedly being raped by her stepfather — stirring debate over a Paraguayan law banning abortions except in cases where the pregnancy endangers the mother’s life.

The former Arkansas governor said while there are "no easy answers” in such a case, abortion should not be seen as a solution.


“When an abortion happens, there are two victims,” Huckabee said. “One is the child, the other is that birth mother, who often will go through extraordinary guilt years later when she begins to think through what happened, with the baby, with her.”

He added: “Let’s not compound the tragedy by taking yet another life.”

Huckabee’s hardline stance puts him on par with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio — who are against abortion under any circumstances — but to the right of other GOP candidates who say there should be exceptions.

On NBC’s "Meet The Press,” Donald Trump, the Republican frontrunner, said he believes there are three: “Rape, incest [and] if the mother is going to die.”

On “State of the Union,” Ohio Gov. John Kasich said he’s also against abortion in such cases, but other issues critical to the party are lost in the debate.


“I think it is an important issue, but I think there’s many other issues that are really critical,” Kasich said. “Early childhood, infant mortality. The environment. Education. I think we focus too much on just one issue, and now that the issue of gay marriage is kind of off the table, we’re kind of down to one social issue.”

On ABC’s “This Week,” retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson tried to dodge the rape exemption question.

“I have spent my life trying to save life, not trying to destroy it,” Carson said.

Huckabee offered a similar sentiment.

“I just come down on the side that every life is precious,“ he said. "I don’t think we discount the intrinsic worth of any human being, and I don’t know where else to go with it.”

Huck is an old school retread. No chance.

Sure hope my opinion agrees with you guys this time so we can avoid the attacking the poster with personal insults 9th grader ignorant crap.

Recess is over kids, let the grownups talk now.

Donald Trump outlines foreign policy, says Mideast would pay for US troops

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is outlining a foreign policy in which the United States would put ground troops in the fight against Islamic State militants and demand money from Middle East countries supported by the U.S.

In a wide-ranging interview that aired Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," the billionaire businessman and former reality TV star says he would consider shutting down the federal government over funding for Planned Parenthood. He says he isn't sure whether he has donated money to the organization in the past but adds that he would oppose providing federal funds if it continues providing abortion services.

Trump says he would ask nominees to the Supreme Court about their views on abortion and would take their views into consideration as he made a decision on whom to nominate. He says he opposes abortion except in case of rape, incest and to save the life of the mother.

Calling the nuclear agreement forged between Iran and world powers including the U.S. "a bad deal," Trump says that Iran will have nuclear weapons and take over parts of the world. "And I think it's going to lead to nuclear holocaust," he said. Instead of tearing up the deal, he said he would "police" it, and he called Secretary of State John Kerry "incompetent" for negotiating the agreement.


On defeating Islamic State militants, Trump said the key is to take away their wealth by taking back the oil fields under their control in Iraq. Told by "Meet the Press" host Chuck Todd that such a move could require ground troops, Trump responded, "That's OK." He said the Iraqis should be given "something" from their oil fields but, in an apparent reference to Iraq War veterans, "we should definitely take back money for our soldiers."

"We've had soldiers that were so badly hurt and killed," he said. "I want their families to get something. Wounded warriors all over the place. They got nothing. And they can't even say we had a victory.

Trump in the past has accused Saudi Arabia of being the world's biggest funder of terrorism. On Sunday, he said the Gulf nation should be paying the U.S. because it wouldn't exist without American support. And, Trump said, the only reason the U.S. supports Saudi Arabia is because it needs the oil.

"Now, we don't need the oil so much," he said in an apparent reference to U.S. oil and gas production. "And if we let our people really go, we wouldn't need the oil at all. And we could let everybody else fight it out."

Trump said Saudi Arabia is going to need help fighting against the kinds of militants who have targeted neighboring Yemen. He said he would assist the Saudis in that event, albeit reluctantly and for a price.

"We defend Saudi Arabia. We send our ships. We send our planes. Every time there's a little ruckus, we send those ships and those planes. We get nothing. Why? They're making a billion a day. We get nothing. And this is the problem with the world," he said.

Ask who he talks to for military advice, Trump said he watches the news shows and cited former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton ("a tough cookie") and retired Army Col. Jack Jacobs ("a good guy") as two examples of people who impress him.

End birthright citizenship?

On other issues, Trump said he:

-Wants to end birthright citizenship, rescind President Barack Obama's executive orders on immigration and deport those in the U.S. illegally while providing an expedited return process for "the good ones."

"We have to make a whole new set of standards. And when people come in, they have to come in legally," he said.

-Is "fine" with affirmative action. "We've lived with it for a long time. And I lived with it for a long time. And I've had great relationships with lots of people. So I'm fine with it."

-Doesn't think a private company should be able to fire an employee for being gay.

-Wants to keep the minimum wage at current levels. "I want to compete with the rest of the world. What I do want to do is bring in jobs so much so that people don't have to live on minimum wage."

-Would ban lobbyists from his administration for three to four years after they've left lobbying firms; he called President Barack Obama's effort to impose a ban on lobbyists "a pretty good idea."

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/16/donald-tr...-us-troops.html

we have soldiers so badly hurt or killed.....so lets send more over there.

man when will these people finally get it. just leave the damn area.

My favorite part was where he said the deal was bad, but instead of vetoing it, he'd just police it.

Something will have to be done about ISIS as the situation keeps escalating. ISIS is now using Chemical Weapons in its attacks.

send me your address then.

i got a ACH and a vest with plates. i'll buy you a plane ticket.

What will it take for you then? 6 blocks of NYC being hit with
Mustard Gas? Perhaps a Chemical Weapon attack on our advisers in Iraq?

so you gonna send your address or not? don't just talk about it, be about it.

i have a better chance of getting hit by a teenager that texts and drives than a terrorist act,

i got a better chance of getting killed by some drunk American.

i got a better chance of getting shot by some american than i do a terrorist.

why is it that you guys always wanna go handle business in the middle east, but wanna keep the status quo with regards to problems here in america?

at what point is handling domestic issues at home gonna be a priority over some middle eastern country?

man you can more about the middle east and israel than you do americans. that goes for you and others on this board that war monger.

Americans have every opportunity to help themselves if they just get off their butts and do it. This land of opportunity has been changed to the land of excuses and victims.

They are being gassed in the Middle East and their only chance may be America coming to the rescue, giving them a fighting chance at a life.

The Sunni nations of the middle east have over 4 million soldiers between them. If they truly wish to address ISIS, let them band together and fight their force of about 30,000.

I'm tired of the excuses of why they can't band together and defend themselves. They can.

there's over 4 million soldiers in middle eastern nations.

ISIS is 30k.

stop it.

ha i got that from bill maher friday night.

The rise of Iran-backed Shiite militias battling the extremists has left the country's Sunni minority wondering what to do next.

The so-called Popular Mobilization Units made up primarily of Shiites aligned with Tehran have taken on a kind of semi-official status in Iraq's security forces, fighting at the tip of the spear during recent anti-ISIS campaigns in the cities of Tikrit and Ramadi. In some cases, they are led by men accused by the U.S. of being responsible for attacks on Americans.

But Sunni fighters are expressing dismay at the idea of being stationed with Shiites, even if both parties share a common enemy in ISIS.

"I will not fight with the Hashad," one Sunni tribal fighter said in an interview with NBC News, using the Arabic name for the Popular Mobilization Units. "They … take their orders from Iran. It's a shame on me if I fight next to an Iranian."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/badr-organization-isis-n384986

So, you gonna send your address or what?

yea....that's not going to work. ever. people try to use the anchor baby excuse, but the fact of the matter is how do you deport a US citizen?

so teenagers gotta go too? talk about lawsuit after lawsuit.



Trump: Deport children of immigrants living illegally in US

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-deport-children-immigrants-living-illegally-us-192747863.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump wants more than a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. He also wants to end "birthright citizenship" for the children of immigrants living in the U.S. illegally, he said Sunday. And he would rescind Obama administration executive orders on immigration and toughen deportation, allowing in only "the good ones."

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Trump described his expanded vision of how to secure American borders during a wide-ranging interview Sunday on NBC's "Meet The Press," saying that he would push to end the constitutionally protected citizenship rights of children of any family living illegally inside the U.S.

"They have to go," Trump said, adding: "What they're doing, they're having a baby. And then all of a sudden, nobody knows ... the baby's here."

Native-born children of immigrants — even those living illegally in the U.S. — have been automatically considered American citizens since the adoption of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution in 1868.

The odds of repealing the amendment's citizenship clause would be steep, requiring the votes of two-thirds of both houses of Congress and support from three-fourths of the nation's state legislatures. Republicans in Congress have pushed without success to repeal that provision since 2011.

"They're illegal," Trump said, describing native-born children of people living illegally in the US. "You either have a country or not."

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Trump has made immigration the focal point of his campaign since announcing his candidacy in June. His tough stance on immigration has appealed to a segment of the Republican base and helped the former reality TV star vault to the top of polls of the crowded Republican presidential field. But it also threatens to undermine Republican efforts to woo the growing bloc of Hispanic voters needed to win key battleground states in presidential elections.

Trump's remarks came as his campaign website posted his program for "immigration reform." Among its details: Making Mexico pay for a permanent border wall. Mandatory deportation of all "criminal aliens." Tripling the force of immigration officers by eliminating tax credit payments to immigrant families residing illegally in the U.S.

He said that families with U.S.-born children could return quickly if deemed worthy by the government. "We're going to try and bring them back rapidly, the good ones," he said, adding: "We will expedite it so people can come back in. The good people can come back."

Trump did not elaborate on how he would define "good people." But echoing earlier controversial remarks that Mexico was sending criminals across the border, Trump said a tough deportation policy was needed because "there's definitely evidence" of crimes linked to immigrants living in the country illegally.

The New York real estate mogul also said he would waste little time rescinding President Barack Obama's executive actions aimed at allowing as many as 3.7 million immigrants living illegally in the U.S. to remain in the country because of their U.S.-born relatives. Obama's November 2014 actions were halted by temporary injunctions ordered by several federal courts in rulings challenging his executive powers to alter immigration policies without Congressional approval. The cases could wind up before the U.S. Supreme Court.

"We have to make a whole new set of standards," Trump said. "And when people come in, they have to come in legally."

On Sunday, Ohio Gov. John Kasich echoed Trump's call to finish construction of an incomplete system of barriers on the nation's southern border with Mexico. There are still gaps in the barriers, which have been under construction since 2005.

Speaking on CBS' "Face the Nation," Kasich said he would then work to legalize 12 million immigrants now estimated to live in the U.S. illegally. Kasich said he would "make sure we don't have anybody — any of the criminal element here." He would also revive the guest-worker programs that previously brought in temporary workers to aid in farming and other industries hobbled by labor shortages.

Most other Republican candidates also back completing the border wall but differ over how to treat immigrant families already living in the U.S. illegally. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush recently released his own immigration plan calling for the use of forward bases and drones to guard the border, but also backing an eventual plan to legalize the status of immigrant families. Bush disagrees with Obama's use of executive actions to unilaterally enforce the policy.

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Shut up you! I am not a Soldier so no I ain't going.

However if you ever have the need for a hand delivered Nuke, Give me a call.

So you posted an article showing they refuse to band together to take out ISIS. that's exactly what I said. They refuse to work together to fight a common enemy on their own soil. Not our problem.

40 goes to war!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y

why not?

i mean you feel so strongly about going over there and fighting. so why not put your money where your mouth is?

You can go over there as a mercenary. go handle business.

Sure, let's put violent mentally ill patients in hospitals where they can assault the medical staff and other patients without fear of repercussion. A good number of these people need to be incarcerated. There are quite a few violent anti-social types among us carrying around a psychiatric diagnosis. You can't just take these people, give them some meds and therapy and cure them of their propensity for violence.

Now if Kasich would have said "non-violent" mentally ill, I would agree with him.

Also, to say we aren't treating imprisoned mentally ill is false. They receive psychiatric care and medication. The problem lies with arranging follow-up care after release. They are dumped onto the street with no meds or follow-up.

Because that's a job for poor white kids and minorities! Not ken and Barbie.

Big talk, small co

st to pay. Actually going there yourself and making a difference... huge personal cost.

I tend to take the position of once they're incarcerated for their violent tendencies, they're probably beyond hope. At that point, you're probably dealing with at least a decade of untreated mental illness and miseducation. But to your point specifically, whether it's someone who has to work in a mental ward, or someone who has to work in a prison, it's someone's problems. I say we examine the root cause rather than the animal. I would also advocate an intermediatry between "criminal" and "insane". There is too much gray there.

Well, that article that Clem posted about that autistic boys aggression in the legalize weed thread was encouraging.

If they have been diagnosed with anti-social or other personality disorders, they can't really be cured. The thing is, these are many times secondary to a primary psychiatric diagnosis.



In some cases maybe, but the vast majority of the mentally ill have had or are currently in treatment. These violent mentally ill people aren't a totally neglected segment of society. Many of them have abused the sytem as a means to avoid having to accept responsibility for their actions.



As far as the violent patients go, they should be managed by people that have the resources to deal with the violence, not nurses and mental health technicians.....the majority of which are female. Psychiatric facilities aren't permitted to use handcuffs, tazers or pepper spray.



Hard to do when the animal sees you as nothing other than prey.



I wish we had more forensic facilities to manage violent mentally ill people.

Yea, there are plenty of mentally ill who are in jails. A friend of mine works at a jail in PA and says they have several people there who are there because there is no where else for them to go and they are mentally ill. They aren't violent. But because the state closed down the mental institutions, jail is the only other "home" for them. We have more mentally ill in prison than we do in hospitals. Prison guards are not trained to deal with the nuances of those who are mentally ill either.

Showman Trump is great for GOP: Steve Forbes


While Donald Trump continues to suck all the oxygen out of the race for the Republican presidential nomination, many pundits keep asking when the air is going to go out of this unlikely frontrunner's campaign.

But Steve Forbes, chairman and editor-in-chief of Forbes Media, said Monday that Trump, even with his controversial comments and policies, is for real and has been a net-positive for the GOP.

The two-time Republican presidential candidate Forbes cited the record 24 million viewers who tuned into the primetime debate earlier this month on Fox News.

"Twenty-four million people, if [Trump] wasn't there you won't have had about 4 million," he said. "That first debate … people saw serious people on that stage," making reference to strong performances by other candidates.

"You have to take him seriously," Forbes told CNBC. "People knew Donald Trump. They knew him from NBC, ['The Apprentice'] a huge successful show." He said he's personally known Trump for a "number of years.

In a wide-ranging interview that aired Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," Trump said that as president, he'd reverse the Obama administration's executive orders on immigration and deport all undocumented immigrants.

Appearing on CNBC's "Squawk Box," Forbes said Trump's immigration policies would never happen because Americans know it's not possible to deport 11 million people. But they are frustrated with President Barack Obama playing politics with hot-button issues, he argued. "What it underscores is, by golly this next administration is going to have to deal with this issue once and for all, instead of letting it be a political football."

Asked whether he'd support Trump, Forbes said he's waiting to see his tax reform plan, which was a major issue pushed by Forbes during his failed runs for the GOP nomination. Forbes said he's not going to run this time, joking that he's "the only one not running," referring to the 17 announced Republican candidates.


Forbes also compared Trump and self-described socialist Bernie Sanders. Their politics are polar opposites, he said, but they have harnessed tapped into voter "anger and discontent."

The independent senator is making a strong showing, though many observers still believe Hillary Clinton will win the Democratic nomination. "Who would have thought an aging self-avowed socialist from Vermont would be the star of the Democratic Party, getting tens of thousands of people coming to his rallies."

Forbes said Clinton's strategy of laying low is not working, as the investigation into her use of a personal email server during her time as secretary of state keeps making headlines. "She hasn't figured out yet how to get those behind her," he said.

"I don't know how you turn that campaign around," he said. "The only way to do it, and she's starting to do it now, is try to come out with certain issues and saying, 'I'm more left than Bernie Sanders, more left than Elizabeth Warren.'" Senator Warren of Massachusetts is also champion of the left.

But the [Clinton] ship has started to take on water," he continued, "and they haven't figured out ... this emailgate."

There's been plenty of speculation that other Democrats may look to get into the race, including Vice Presidential Joe Biden and even former VP Al Gore. Forbes said they're all considering, "maybe it's my time."

Forbes also said to watch Secretary of State John Kerry, the Democratic nominee for presidential in 2004.

"The irony is this party that's says it's the party of the future [has many] candidates or possible candidates are all eligible for Social Security," he said.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/17/showman-trump-is-great-for-gop-steve-forbes.html

Got to admit that even though I don't like Trump much as a person or a Presidential candidate his immigration policy as detailed is not all bad.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

This race is very early but it sure as heck is exciting!

24 Million watched the debates!

Trump yelling at everyone, Bernie the Commie, Bush is mush, Bag lady getting bagged, Two Vice Presidents digging their hats out of the closet for a possible toss into the ring!

Film at 11

The best thing about Trump and Sanders is that they're forcing their parties to step outside of the campaign rhetoric.

Yes, they ARE the Campaign!
If not for them we would have a bunch of mumblers mumbling dogma till the sun don't shine.

Hillary meets with BLM...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/politics/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter-meeting/

She didn't mistakenly call the group "Black Votes Matter" did she?

too seasoned for that.... but I'll bet that's what they were called back at campaign HQ....

So cynical. Must I show you the homeless man vid again?

hehehe...


but this is Hillary we're talkin' bout-