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These are somewhat strange to me. They are both older players who haven't seen significant action for a while. I vividly remember both being considered great prospects coming out, but haven't heard either name in a while (especially Brown).

I'd have to think they're longshots to make the roster ... remember, vets' contracts are guaranteed if they're on the roster in Week 1. Maybe we are planning to have them here and then bring them back if needed as injuries take place?

Thoughts?

Ross has been a decent player just unable to stay healthy but Brown just hasn't done much. My guess is these two were brought in due to nagging injuries or to light a fire under the other players' butts.

I am particularly intrigued by Brown as he was relatively highly thought of prior to the 2009 (?) draft. He hasn't made an impact anywhere he has been, so I am not expecting a lot, but then again, who knows...

who?

Neither of these guys will make the roster.

Maybe not week 1 ... but Farmer may be setting up one/both of them to return in the latter part of the season due to injuries. Their salaries wouldn't be fully guaranteed then.

If they were just camp fodder, I'd think Farmer would bring in younger players and/or rookie FAs to get a look at them.

Bringing in such older guys for the bottom of the roster is not like Farmer

After only one year with the team, I don't believe we can say yet what is Farmer and what isn't Farmer. After watching year one, those first round picks and text gate, I sure hope not anyway.

I think it is just a no stone unturned thing, harmless look to see if there is any value.

Agreed, There is no point in holding onto players u know arent gonna make your 53 nor your PS. If you see guaranteed cuts and they arent really gonna help your other guys improve, replace them with curiosities.

Brown coming out was looked at as a sure stud. I wonder what happened. He has got good physical skills.

Theres no such thing as a sure stud for a pass rusher. There's a reason he lasted to the second round.

Thought these were odd signings of no-names. I assume it is for camp reasons; could they be depth insurance for the PS? Doesn't seem cagey at all. Maybe somebody has worsened injury?

So "Play like some other Brown", like, say, Jim instead . . . .

both been around a 5 or 6 years just underachievers.

If these guys are not just practice bodies,we are in trouble.

Just churning the bottom of the roster... if you have players you know are not going to make the team... why not take some flyers on guys who might.

Really what's the harm?

Best thing I can come up with on Brown is they are worried about Mingo's injury.

Ross has to be a response to Gilbert being flawlessclueless and Desir's hammy. That and Gaines giving up too many. Poyer didn't exactly show up in a good way, either. Bademosi has been playing himself out of a job at the scrimmage and on Thursday. IIRC Ross has spent time at both corner and safety.

Maybe Ross will take over the old man safety spot left vacant by Leonhard retiring.

Apparently, Gilbert was epically bad in the Bills practice today. What I assume are Bills reporters were tweeting and making fun of him.

Buffalo writers are going to town on him. It's been repeated several times before but it's not about skill or athleticism. The dude is clearly not mentally into it and we've all heard about the work either issues.

Ugh.

It seems they still have a burr up their butt about "the trade". I admit it is a bit disconcerting that Gilbert has not adapted to the mental part of the game. Still too soon to give up on him, however by this time next year, if no improvement...

People can say what they wish, but when you have the 8th pick overall failing miserably at his position with little to no improvement entering season 2, there's cause for alarm.

Big time alarm IMO ... and if you read the reports from practice today ... yeah, Gilbert is struggling.

If he wasn't drafted in the 1st round would he be a cut possibility? Most likely IMO

It's not just Buffalo guys.

https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/633344760900534272:

I didn't see #Browns CB Justin Gilbert break up a pass. I think he gave up a catch every time he was targeted. Never seen such a rough day.

Justin's version of playing flawlessly is giving up five plus steps on his defender, letting them catch untested balls and basically just looking like a lost child.

I just don't think the secondary wants to play with Justin. I wouldn't want to be Gipson always having to baby Gilberts defender as well as taking care of my own assignments.

he would have already been cut if he didn't represent $10MM in dead money if he were cut, so I agree with you.

At this point, I kind of wonder if he's trying top get himself cut.

It would be pretty unprecedented for the 8th overall pick to get cut just one year into his career. If Morris Claiborne can stick around with the Cowboys, then Gilbert will be on our team for awhile.

To be sure, the only thing keeping Gilbert on the roster is where he was drafted.

Right now we just have to hope that he can become a great KR ...... because he's really struggling badly at CB. We have to hope the Browns can recoup something from their investment in him.

Not looking good for Farmer...I started calling Justin Gilbert very early last year Justin Miller (who was a highly drafted CB out of Clemson probably 5-6 years ago who pretty much busted at CB, but was a better returner and I think he even made a pro bowl in that position too) Gilbert just doesn't have that 6th sense that CBs have.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I think our main bone of contention is about where a player was drafted. You seem to indicate that you don't feel draft status is important after you're drafted. Once you're drafted, you're simply another player. This is where I disagree. The investment is very important when looking at the results.

To me, your viewpoint is like saying when you spend 70k on an Escalade, that once it's purchased, it's no different than the 1976 Pinto in your driveway. That just because the Pinto runs better than the Escalade, we shouldn't be expecting more from the Escalade than the Pinto. I believe the investment is a clear indicator of the expectations.

I'm sure you're right that Gilbert wants to get better. I believe that holds true for the vast majority of NFL players. After all, that's most likely the best opportunity they will ever have at long term wealth.

The question then becomes if they can ever reach that physical potential they hold. I want to see him play too, but so far from pre season to the reports coming out of Buffalo, until he steps it up a few notches, I sure don't want to see him play in regular season games. For some reason I expect more than that from my Escalade.

I think it's possible they're not liking what they're seeing out of Orchard and or Mingo, and they brought in Brown simply to create some more depth and or competition? I remember really liking Brown a few years ago when he came out of Florida State.

Aaron Ross might be here just for depth? or to push Gilbert more?

Desire is injured too, so there's that...

I'll be interested to see how much play time they each get these next few preseason games.

Kinda hard to say that Giblert "wants" to get better when he says things like:

--I would rather sleep in than watch film like Williams.
and
--When asked to say if the goal was to start, he responds with "We'll see what happens."

We also have to consider how he vowed to improve last year and then got suspended for the last game of the year for being late to a meeting.

I don't buy into tab's assertion that he wants to get better and is getting better. I think he has sucked from day one and continues to suck.

Oh, forgot this quote:

"Flawless." That's after making two boneheaded plays in less than a quarter. The play on the sideline was WORSE than the letting the Skins receiver run deep.

This guy's attitude kinda reminds me of Gordon's. Entitled, lazy, self-centered punk.

Ross was brought in because we have several injured corners. Brown was brought in, as Pettine said, so that players didn't have to play out of position and could be evaluated properly.

Not saying it's the same for Josh, but I think Gilbert has next to no confidence in himself and doesn't trust, at all, the things that the coaches are drilling him, about techniques and etc.

He's crashing and burning and the media has made him a top target of their articles. Don't think he has "one second memory" needed with corners.

You gotta remember who drafted/acquired whom before you start heaping out praise about who has moved ahead of other players on the depth chart.