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As comical as it is puzzling.

Only thing worse than Schadenfreude is reposted Schadenfreude.

That sums him up perfectly. How does a guy,(who avoids the 10 ft wide hole) manage to still have a job in this league?

Jim Brown over-estimated his ability, calling him "average" after drafting.

Let's not forget that many Browns fans absolutely blasted Jim Brown for calling him average.

Sometimes I wish we could go back and acknowledge people who were right, even if it was pessimistic/inconvenient at the time.

Yep, I'll never forget those arguments. Similar to many others that have occurred and are still occurring....

he did what he was supposed to do.. follow the pulling guard. He just doesnt have the vision to see the cutback lane.

This always has and always will be his problem.

As a big TRICH supporter in the draft, even I am baffled by his so-called NFL career.

Well, that pic just about sums it up.

The bad thing is that the guys on the left are facing the goal line and he's running the wrong way.

And you think those said people on this board are are gonna acknowledge they were wrong??? LOL YEAH RIGHT! Whatever fits into the agenda of some of the posters on here that's what they role with even if it make them look like complete idiots. It was all about protecting their heroes Heckert and Holmgren.

I freely admit I was wrong about Richardson. I thought that he was going to be a stud RB, and would greatly help both whoever our QB was, as well as our defense.

He showed promise as a rookie, playing through injuries, and looking like he had a real future in this league.

He then fell apart in his 2nd year, and Banner made a great move to dump him while he still had some value. (and I thought that a 1st rounder at that point was just amazing, and said so)

You guys and your regime arguments crack me up sometimes. By definition, every regime we have had since 1999 has been a failure, because not one has a winning record. Every one. Some have made some good moves, and some have made some tragically bad moves, but in the end not one got us to winning more games than we lose. The current staff shows promise, as they took a team that had won 4-5 games for what ..... 6 years in a row .... and won 7 games. This was despite the fact that we had a lot of players and position groups that many derided as completely inept, and unable to produce. However, they did manage to produce, and the team showed improvement until Hoyer fell apart, and injuries struck.

I do like the fact that players seem to be developing. It is still early, but promising reports on young guys like Gabriel and Benjamin are encouraging. Manziel is showing growth. We have guys in the secondary who appear to be developing, even though Gilbert has not shown much good thus far.

However, beyond that, this group is in charge of my beloved Browns, so I hope that they will be wildly successful. I don't really care what previous groups have done. I also really don't care what former players have done. They are the past. I hope that our future will be extremely bright. That is what keeps me coming back ... the hope that the future will be better, and even exceptional. If I didn't have that hope, there would be no reason for me to follow this team.

Trent Richardson



The only thing missing is Richardson yelling "Road Hog" at the Defense

I still recall when a lot of publications/media/scouts stated TRICH was the best back they've scouted since AP...even they had it wrong

My Golly!

Apparently "stacking the box" includes counting TRich as part of the mob. You need to work at missing the hole that size. Could have crawled untouched for the score!

j/c

Another viewpoint.

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When picking the topics of Monday’s edition of Pro Football Talk on NBCSN, we included a quick item on the perceived failure of Raiders running back Trent Richardson to hit a wide-open hole for what could have been an easy touchdown against the Rams in the preseason opener.

Rodney Harrison and I were ready to pounce on Richardson for not pouncing on the opportunity, until we looked at the video while preparing for the show. And while it’s a lot more fun when Rodney and I disagree with each other, we decided instead to disagree with the many who have slammed Richardson for not cutting back to his left and scoring.

I noticed that the hole arose in part from the left guard pulling to the right, a clear sign that Richardson was supposed to follow the guard in what should have been an eventual opening on the right side of the line. And Rodney noticed that a Rams linebacker on the left side of the line would have been in position to move directly toward Richardson and tackle him before he could gain significant yardage.

Though it’s impossible to ever know with certainty what a player’s assignment is based on game footage, it seems highly likely that Richardson was expected to follow the flow of the play to the right, looking for a hole that the linemen on that side along with the pulling guard from the left never managed to open. Which means Richardson likely didn’t have the option to cut back to the opening that would have resulted in an impromptu Oklahoma drill with the Rams linebacker.

While there are many reasons to criticize Richardson for his underwhelming NFL career to date, this play isn’t one of them.

Jim Brown
rookie games - 12
carries - 202
avg - 4.7
career avg - 5.2

TR
rookie games - 16
carries - 267
avg - 3.6
career avg - 3.3

I don't think his stats look all that good compared to JB.

Dawg... I can't count the number of ways that this is wrong....


but-

Statistically Richardson had a decent rookie year... but that was Jim Brown's worst year of his career, it was the high point of Richardson's career (so far)...

Brown just got better, Richardson seems to just keep getting worse... I can't explain it.

It's one of the mysteries of the decade for me.
I expected a stellar career after his first season... and was shocked as anyone that he was traded almost as quickly as Charlie Frye got benched.
Joe Banner pulled off a genius move (that had me howling bloody murder) by trading him when he did.

One of the most baffling players I've ever seen.

Every time a T-rich slam-a-thon is posted here, Jim Brown is acknowledged as one of the correct all knowing T-rich prophets of doom. And many of us t-rich supporters have said that we had it wrong.

So really now what do you want from us t-rich pimps?

I'm guessing some of you want....you're right and we're wrong after the jury is now in. So here it is ....

You're right and we're wrong. Our bad..big oooops on pimping that draft pick. Sorry about that

So once again you're indicating that when you post on this board, you're often not being honest about what you really think and feel. Interesting...

Can't believe you guys can't figure this out on your own.

It is obvious that TRs success was due to the pro-bowl quality QB Brandon Weeden.

I can't believe I said that with a straight face.

Oh I don't have a problem with it at all. I just believe it's quite valuable information when reading your posts. Over the past week I've learned in your own words that you will not honestly evaluate both sides of your views on our players until they are gone. That's exactly what you told us about Hoyer.

I've learned that you never reveal what you honestly believe in full about a current regime until they are gone. These are things you've openly stated on this very board.

That's not an indictment of you but simply facts you've revealed that help people to understand the angle you're coming from. It's a one sided view with little to no objectivity.

If you take issue with that, well that's on you. I don't really care either way Tab. I try to understand the thought process of every poster. I read the entire board. You've helped clear things up a lot about where you're coming from when you post Tab. For that I thank you.

Choosing to try to focus on the positive doesn't mean that one isn't objectively looking at things.. it bugs me that those who are constantly pessimistic are viewed as "realists" while those who try to stay optimistic are viewed as "homers who lack objectivity"... I guess that comes with over a decade of losing.

I too have watched draft picks and given it the golf clap while thinking "I hope they see something I don't see".. but once the selection is made, I don't see what is gained by immediately coming on here to bash the player or the person who made the selection.

I try, as often as I can, to focus on the positive and give our players, our coaches, and our FO staff the benefit of the doubt every chance I get.

I try to look at both good and bad to come to some conclusion. Point out the good and bad equally in both directions.

When someone says they will only be forthright in their opinion when someone leaves, I believe it's nice to know that when reading what they're posting. To me that shows that only objectivity is shown upon their departure, not that objectivity was lacking all along.

But that is not black-n-white. You can be honest but there are other factors to consider as well - hope, expectation, etc. These enter the picture and may temper objectivity without the person even being aware of it.

I don't think there's been a draft since the return that I didn't have that feeling about most of our picks.

Thinking back on the past few years a handful of draft picks that I immediately felt poorly about:

Brandon Weeden (by far the most mad I've ever been at the Browns)
David Veikune
Nate Orchard
Joel Bitonio (I wanted Marquise Lee ... good thing I was wrong)
Brandon McFadden (gosh he was bad and I had never heard of him)
John Hughes (so far he's been good)
Brian Robiskie
Paul Hubbard (Remember him? God I hated that pick)

I agree that happens in some people. That's why it's hard to determine on the part of some posters. I believe very much the same thing could be said about negative posters.

But when a poster tells you plainly that they have questions about a player but do not share it while they're with the team, or they have questions about a regime but don't bring it up until they're gone, it shows they understand things objectively but simply refuse to discuss it.

Now that's not intended as a slam against Tab even though he perceives that to be so. It's simply understanding the way he approaches being a fan and how he posts.

Tab and I have both been around one version or the other of Dawg Talk/Dawgtalkers since Jesus was a corporal. The only advantage that gives me is a very strong familiarity with his posting. As such, he is extremely well versed on the X's and O's of football. I'd put him in the top 5 on this board.

As such, it's not like as soon as Hoyer left he had some huge epiphany about how poorly Hoyer was playing. He seemed quite willing to share that upon Hoyers departure. Same with Skrine.

It simply helps me to understand very much what I thought all along. He fully sees and understands the weaknesses of some of our players, schemes and shortcomings. He simply refuses to discuss some of those things until people have been removed from the team.

I'm fine with that. It is what it is.

+1 on Holmgren.

...Shine a now undersized, aging super bowl ring, talk with empty-toughness while running the WCO under a coach who benefitted by nepotism, and lose. ...then get paid by an absentee owner.

I saw this picture a few days ago, and holy smokes I cannot figure out where this kids talent went. I thought RB was one of the easier positions to transition into from the college level. It's past the point of being funny, now it's just sad...

Don't change Tab. Your are one of the reasons I keep coming on here. You seem to put a lot of thought into your posts and I value your opinion.

I am usually cautiously optimistic & have been since I was 9 years old. I don't understand why people post on here if all you can do is find the negative in everything that happens.

I do see things in rose colored glasses and if i didn't I would quit following the team. That is not to say I agree with all draft picks, trades or coaches decisions etc. But no matter how negative I get, it won't let us go back in time and not pick Richardson, Weeden, Gilbert etc.

I commend you on how you handle criticism also, as other seem to just look for a reason to rip a guy for their opinion, I feel you take your time and explain.

After all, we are just expressing our opinions, & I don't agree with a few who feel if your football IQ is not in the 160 range, you should not be able to post.

Thanks again Tab and keep yoru posts coming.

It bugs me that people who try to look at things rationally are branded as "Negative Nancy's," are people who live their lives w/out hope, and are not "true fans."

The "negative/realist" posters have proven to be correct way more often than the "positive/real" fans by an overwhelming margin.

I really don't care if people disagree w/me on subjects like that one, but what irks me is all the hateful responses and BS posts that the moral majority use in some lame-ass attempt to belittle my opinion, as if it is nonsensical.

I also want to add a couple of more things:

--Trich was not that good his rookie year. His numbers were decent, but his yds. per carry was below average. He left a ton of yards on the field and when I tried pointing that out, I was abused by the "positive" folks.

--Banner was crucified for making that trade by the "positive" folks. LOL. Talk about irony. People used that trade to demonstrate just what an idiot he was.

We finally got a guy who knew what the hell he was doing and the ignorant media and fan base whined, cried, squealed, belittled, bullied, made fun of {one of our "positive/good" fans actually had "The Three Stooges" in his sig]. More irony for you? Now, they rip guys who question why the new regime took Gilbert and Manziel in the first round and texted the sidelines and forced their decisions on the coaching staff. OMG......more irony.

I ain't backing down on this one. Let it go, now. I have way more ammunition, if not numbers, than you guys do.