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At this time of year there'a always way too much hate on a guy who's struggling and way to much love for a guy who does a couple nice things.

I'm not saying he's faking it but I had a feeling like he was going to get injured a few days ago when all that bad press...

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/8/17/91...-justin-gilbert

...came out about him... I just felt it.

Thanks clevesteve for clearing it up.

If he sticks, we are a long way from "Gilbert Island." Seems to be a disconnect with his performance between how he sees himself and how we see him playing. I will take progress. Send him a box of lightbulbs though.

So you're saying he's faking it so that he won't play bad? That's a fireable offense. Also, wouldn't the trainers be able to tell if he was faking it?

Guarantied money. Just lazy.

I said I'm not saying he's faking it...(etc.).

But okay, perhaps I was being a bit sarcastic? I don't know.

I just wanted to point out I had a feeling he would get injured. It is, in fact, a blessing in disguise for him, now he doesn't have to practice/play/suck.

Him playing this bad since he turned pro is odd. I wonder what is up with him?

Some players just never get good.

j/c: It's kinda weird how many people are making excuses for Gilbert and/or defending him, while so many people rip Mingo.

Mingo has been 100 times better than Gilbert and that doesn't mean that I am saying Mingo has been good. But, the guy has started. He plays so many snaps on defense and special teams. He has a GREAT attitude. He played through injury. He readily accepted a role as cover guy that would automatically reduce his sack total and add to the scrutiny he receives.......yet he gets ripped by so many and Gilbert who has been terrible and a problem child gets defended and has excuses made for his poor play and attitude.

Anyone think that perhaps Gilbert faked that injury?

It is possible but its just as possible he was hurt the day before and tried to play through it. Not saying thats the case but if he was gonna fake it, seems like he would have just grabbed his hammy, everyone else on the team has. Although considering he did make a 14 on his wonderlic I may be giving him to much credit lol

Yes, it's possible. I am not saying it is PROBABLE that he faked the injury. I was just wondering if it was possible. The timing seemed kinda weird.

Sorry Mourg, I know you are trying to defend the guy and I respect that, but I just don't trust him. At all. I have a bad feeling about the guy.........similar to the one I had about Leon and Gordon. And Lord knows I took some grief for criticizing both and Lord knows how both turned out.

Gilbert has so much God given athleticism and talent its unbelieveable. He is the type that has really ever had to work at his job. He is a physical freak and he could run with any receiver he faced.

Does he want to watch film and study his craft? Hell no, he has never had to do it so why start now? I think that is where he is at.

Seeing Williams and Desir pass him is the best medicine for him. I dont think he is a bad kid just a very lazy one.

Again, he is physically one of the strongest defensive backs in the league and he is probably one of the fastest and most fluid. Joe Haden doesnt have the physical talent this kid has. The difference is Joe is smart and he works on hand technique, he studies the receivers he is gonna face and he seeks the legends of the game to gain wisdom.

Gilbert is just a spoiled brat that is a bit of a simpleton that has yet to understand what it takes to be successful in this league.

I'll leave it at this...Justin Gilbert was flagged at or shortly after the combine, there was zero buzz of him from the combine to the draft. Now Gilbert tore it up in the combine and put up great numbers all along the board...You would imagine teams would be drooling over him. Now the problem is teams learned something about him (I'm assuming it was during interviews) and whatever it was teams took notice.

Except us

Yes... I do

It's for sure a possibility... I believe Justin's confidence level is a dried up mud pit.

It definitely crossed my mind...especially since it was IIRC the very first play or very early on in practice. I'm not saying I'm right for thinking that, but it definitely crossed my mind.

I have to admit that I don't want to believe this is true, but the kid has some issues. It's not physical talent, I think that's a given, the problem appears to be between his ears or in a lack of heart, drive and ambition.

It might just be, "I'm rich now, I've got a load of $$$, and a ton more guaranteed, I don't have to do any thing"

I'd hate to think that's true, but it might be.

Think about it, Haden is dinged up, it was a really good time to show he belongs. Almost a perfect storm, and he's blown it.

I have question marks all over the place now.

Hip flexor injuries usually occur when you arent warmed up properly so the fact that this orrured on the first play isnt surprising. Usually its a 2-3 day thing unless its a complete tear. Tremendously painful injury either way. Hard to even walk or stand with it.

Don't make it sound like every team in the league passed on the guy and only us were interested in drafting him.

JMO

We talked about just that a little bit in the above posts. It wouldn't surprise me, but who knows?

That was the first thing that crossed my mind as well.... might have been one of the smartest things he has done.

Vers, Mingo isn't a head case like Dilbert. But he is a disappointment. You can get a coverage linebacker in the 4th. Mingo was supposed to be an elite PASS RUSHER. A 15 sack a year guy. You don't take a one tool linebacker sixth overall! That's where you take a JJ Watt or a Von Miller. Of course you don't take a corner like Dilbert 8th overall either. That's where you draft a Rod Woodson type of player. Unless both of these guys wake the hell up and start producing like they are supposed to they are busts. How damned good would this defense be if both of these players played like they should for where they were drafted? MAN. A 15 sack season from Mingo and a probowl season from Dilbert would help a LOT.

Where was Von Miller and JJ Watt in the 2013 draft? Browns needed a pass rusher in Ray Horton's scheme. I think Mingo can still be effective. I believe the other two big names were Jarvis Jones and Dion Jordan.

Spirit, in today's passing league, what is move important pass rusher or shutdown corner? I see Seattle vs Houston. I'm not sure it is as clear cut of an answer. It is getting close to the argument 3-4 vs 4-3. Besides in Pettine's defensive scheme, corner-back is most important.

I keep looking at the players taken in 2013. You could have forgotten to show and been better off. That draft year maybe the worst ever. You know it ain't good when a small school LT is drafted top five!

Dilbert...I mean Gilbert's draft assessment was a better fit for the Browns

Wow did Jimmy O'Niel get drilled by, I think judging by the voice, Grossi about Justin Gilbert in his recent presser. Could tell he was getting frustrated by a. Grossi and b. being asked about Justin.

Not sure if Justin is just become a burning itch for him, or if the questions are or both?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-out-for-season


Orlando Scandrick tears ACL and MCL, out for season

By Dan Hanzus
Around the NFL Writer
Published: Aug. 25, 2015 at 09:18 p.m.
Updated: Aug. 26, 2015 at 11:13 a.m

The Dallas Cowboys will have to go the rest of the way without cornerback Orlando Scandrick.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reports Scandrick tore his ACL and MCL in his right knee during practice on Thursday. He will miss the remainder of the 2015 season, per a source informed of the results.

According to the Dallas Morning News, Scandrick's right knee buckled as he attempted to tackle wide receiver Lucky Whitehead. The rookie then fell on Scandrick's leg. Scandrick was in immediate pain, cursing loudly while on the ground. He put a towel over his face and was in tears as he was taken off the field on a cart.

Losing Scandrick counts as a huge setback for the Cowboys. He is easily the team's best cornerback, and his absence puts pressure on less dependable options like Brandon Carr and Morris Claiborne. Last season, Scandrick finished 12th out of 120 qualified corners in Pro Football Focus' ratings.

In May, Scandrick signed a one-year contract extension, worth $9.5 million.

The Cowboys found a way to persevere last year when Sean Lee was lost early in the team's offseason program. The loss of Scandrick presents perhaps an even greater challenge to Jason Garrett's team. A bad night in Big D.

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eh?

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

Let's trade Gilbert to Dallas.

Morris Claiborne be like

We'd get laughed at. They'd trade for Leon McFadden before they would Gilbert.

Justin Gilbert's rocky ride not getting smoother

Link

BEREA, Ohio — It would be unfair to say the moments were uncomfortable, but a media discussion with Browns defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil on Monday became interesting when the subject turned to Justin Gilbert.

Asked how Gilbert was doing, O’Neil drew from the consistency well.

“He’s had some really good moments; he’s had some bad moments obviously,” O’Neil said Monday. “He’s just got to be more consistent.”

That is kind for the way Gilbert’s camp has gone. The eighth overall pick in the 2014 draft found himself behind Pierre Desir early in camp. Gilbert then had a rough opener against Washington and then a really rough practice against the Bills in Buffalo. In the second practice against the Bills, Gilbert injured a hip flexor muscle. He hasn't practiced since. His status for the third game in Tampa Bay Saturday night is up in the air.

This all followed a rookie season that ended with Gilbert banished to the locker room after showing up late for a meeting at the team hotel, and after teammates were shockingly critical of him as the season wore on.

Were Gilbert not the other player taken in the same round and year as Johnny Manziel, there would be many more tough questions being asked about him — as in what did the Browns see in him to trade up to get him in the first round after trading down from the fourth spot (and away from receiver Sammy Watkins)?

O’Neil explained that things come together for different players at different times. Asked if Gilbert had learned more about being a professional in his second year compared to the first, O’Neil said this: “He’s further along than where he was last year. I still think he has some ground to make up.”

The discussion continued, with O’Neil conceding that a cornerback had to have confidence to play in the Browns' defense, which requires a lot of press-man coverage. O’Neil was asked if Gilbert had lost confidence.

“You have to have a short-term memory if you play corner,” O’Neil said. “Everybody’s going to get beat.”

He pointed out that in a time of lost confidence, a player had to “fall back on technique.”

But Gilbert admitted as a rookie he relied on athletic ability at Oklahoma State and he never had to use technique.

“No, he didn’t,” O’Neil said, conceding the point.

Which would seem to be a problem in making the transition to the NFL. Because Gilbert went from using zero technique to relying on it. It sounds like a pitching coach telling a young pitcher to rely on his change-up when he never learned to throw one.

“There’s a lot of guys in college that are unbelievable athletes who are so gifted they can just go out there and dominate,” O’Neil said. “There are a lot of guys like that. You’re not going to get away with that at this level. Everybody’s gifted. So you better have technique at this level if you’re going to be successful.”

O’Neil said a young corner like Gilbert starts with athletic ability and learns technique from coaches. Coach Mike Pettine gave his thoughts on Gilbert after practice.

“There are some guys coming out of college who have never been asked to backpedal and you have to teach them that in the NFL,” Pettine said. “You don’t want to ever let that restrict you from, ‘Hey, he is not a finished product.’

“From what we are looking for from a system standpoint this guy proved he could play corner at a high level in college and there are some technical things that we think can help him and that is why we go out and coach them hard every day.”

In the predraft interview with Gilbert, O’Neil was asked, did you get the feeling that something was missing?

“Not any more than what would come up with other players,” O’Neil said.

He then added that he still believes Gilbert can live up to his draft status. The head coach agreed.

“There are guys, and he is not the only one, where they can show the technique on the practice field,” Pettine said. “You have to be able to take the next step. Sometimes you get in a game and you revert back to poor habits."

This could be why Gilbert said after the preseason opener that aside from one play his technique was flawless. The team may be emphasizing technique to Gilbert to the point that that is where his mind is lasered.

“It’s just a process, guys,” O’Neil said. “It just takes some time.”

so tired of this guy. "needs to be more consistent" is his mantra

Just a hideous draft pick. Taking a shot at a QB is one thing - they crap out all the time. But whiffing on a CB when you were likely going BPA, and with SO MANY good WRs there, wow. That's really bad.

Why did you post an old article today?

j/c

Gilbert hadn't practiced since the second Bills practice as of the date of the article - 8/24. That's scary.

Anyone know if he's been practicing since the date of the article? Is he headed to IR to make room for a RB?

Maybe we can trade him for a 7th round conditional pick in 2035.

IT's sometimes so hard to conceive of a first round (high first to boot)pick flopping so badly. It does happen every year however.

Too bad, all the physical skills needed, somethings wrong in his head. Too bad really.

In related news, McCown will get the start against Tampa Bay in the third preseason game.

+ 1

Sounds like he's uncoachable with a stinky attitude to go along with it. Just the attributes you look for when looking to drain a top ten overall pick

Might have been TOLD he was injured to keep him out. Not all good here yet.

I'm surprised no one has leaked exactly what his "personal problems" are... drugs.. alcohol.. a bad marriage.. or just plain stupidity and stubbornness.