Once you figure that out, you ascend to the next level.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
General reply ... societal effects aside, and as a daily driver of 50+ miles to-and-from work, I wonder what kind of new impaired driver we'll see from the smokers. I've learned to identify the drunks, the texters, pure crazies and idiots, and can generally stay or get clear of them. Texters tend to plant themselves in passing lane, making that solid left white-line more like a "rail" they were riding. The problem with texters is either they drive too damn slow for the so-called passing lane and they still tend to drift right while texting. They also are totally unprepared for the sudden stops that are common on I-480. The drunks and crazies are easy to spot by their erratic driving and aggressive tactics. Idiots might do anything at any time, making them the most dangerous driver. What to expect from stoned drivers? My guess is they will be denizens of the center lane on freeways, or what I call "The Prozac Lane". No particular hurry, passive, hopefully not too distractible. At least that's what I'm hoping; we don't need any more dangerous drivers on the freeways.
lmao i'm done. man, people really believed that back in the day?
They didn't really. That movie was made by people who made-up everything they could to try to make it look bad.
And inexplicably, 30 years later there was Woodstock. A half-a-million people, all high on pot, and nobody acted that way. They were viewed as peace loving, flower children.
Also, nobody said, "Hey, that movie, Reefer Madness from just 30 years ago, got it all wrong!". Nobody said that. They continued to wage their war on drugs as though pot was the worst possible of all drugs.
General reply ... societal effects aside, and as a daily driver of 50+ miles to-and-from work, I wonder what kind of new impaired driver we'll see from the smokers. I've learned to identify the drunks, the texters, pure crazies and idiots, and can generally stay or get clear of them. Texters tend to plant themselves in passing lane, making that solid left white-line more like a "rail" they were riding. The problem with texters is either they drive too damn slow for the so-called passing lane and they still tend to drift right while texting. They also are totally unprepared for the sudden stops that are common on I-480. The drunks and crazies are easy to spot by their erratic driving and aggressive tactics. Idiots might do anything at any time, making them the most dangerous driver. What to expect from stoned drivers? My guess is they will be denizens of the center lane on freeways, or what I call "The Prozac Lane". No particular hurry, passive, hopefully not too distractible. At least that's what I'm hoping; we don't need any more dangerous drivers on the freeways.
Well, speaking from experience (not proudly at that), I can say that they'll just be slower drivers. Driving in that condition makes it seem like you are going 3x faster than you actually are...so they tend to drive much slower. But it doesn't make you lose the ability to physically control what you are doing (like alcohol does). If someone goes out of their lane, they'd probably be just as prone to do that completely sober too.
Regardless, the punishment for any impaired driving should be harsh.
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I've began re-equipping my tomato room in anticipation.
Feel free to send me your unwanted tomato equipment, I'd rather grow those.
Already promised my Mom that she could get her lights back But it's a really fun hobby if you're interested.
I am interested. I love tomato's. I thought about making a garden but with the bunny problem around here and the fact I only like to dig in the dirt with a 9-iron limits my farming desire. Indoor growing just might be the answer! Thanks for giving me the idea.
I am interested. I love tomato's. I thought about making a garden but with the bunny problem around here and the fact I only like to dig in the dirt with a 9-iron limits my farming desire. Indoor growing just might be the answer! Thanks for giving me the idea.
General reply ... societal effects aside, and as a daily driver of 50+ miles to-and-from work, I wonder what kind of new impaired driver we'll see from the smokers. I've learned to identify the drunks, the texters, pure crazies and idiots, and can generally stay or get clear of them. Texters tend to plant themselves in passing lane, making that solid left white-line more like a "rail" they were riding. The problem with texters is either they drive too damn slow for the so-called passing lane and they still tend to drift right while texting. They also are totally unprepared for the sudden stops that are common on I-480. The drunks and crazies are easy to spot by their erratic driving and aggressive tactics. Idiots might do anything at any time, making them the most dangerous driver. What to expect from stoned drivers? My guess is they will be denizens of the center lane on freeways, or what I call "The Prozac Lane". No particular hurry, passive, hopefully not too distractible. At least that's what I'm hoping; we don't need any more dangerous drivers on the freeways.
DUH They will be the ones in the long lines at the drive thru windows. Or parked in the medium
Well, speaking from experience (not proudly at that), I can say that they'll just be slower drivers. Driving in that condition makes it seem like you are going 3x faster than you actually are...so they tend to drive much slower. But it doesn't make you lose the ability to physically control what you are doing (like alcohol does). If someone goes out of their lane, they'd probably be just as prone to do that completely sober too.
I knew it I just knew it. All those little old blue haired ladies are higher than a kite.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
JMHO...it would be a mistake to legalize marijuana.
Making it easier for our younger Jr High and High School age kids to get a hold of marijuana just creates more problems for those parents attempting to raise their kids to avoid drugs and alcohol.
It's one thing for a 21 year old who is out of his parents house, living on his own, to smoke MJ..that individual is responsible for him or herself.
But, if we now have 4 plants being grown legally in half the homes in your area, there is no doubt that access for younger Jr High and High School age kids, is going to be easier.
Who is going to be responsible for those kids?...THE PARENTS!
It is hard enough raising kids in this day and age, trying to keep them away from drugs and alcohol. Legalize marijuana and the problems of today's 18 and older generation becomes the problem of Jr High and High School age kids and their parents.
Making marijuana more available and legal for the 21 and older crowd does nothing but create more problems for those parents attempting to raise their kids the best they can, drug and alcohol free.
Couple more points...marijuana IS A GATEWAY DRUG !
You can debate the issue all you want, but I'm old enough now to have lived through (friends/relatives/acquaintances) actual cases where their drug habit began with the first drug used, being marijuana.
I've seen lives ruined and young 20 somethings laying in coffins, 50 years before their time because of drug use..and their first drug used was marijuana.
My last point..what about the second hand smoke of marijuana users? I guess home use of marijuana is what many are asking for, but what about the young children and babies who come in contact with our toker's second hand smoke?
I haven't heard anyone discuss that issue!
Needless to say, I'm against this crazy idea of legalizing the growing and use of marijuana.
You know how easy it is to get weed even with it being fully banned before?
It's like playing madden on rookie level. You literally have to go out of your way to not find weed anywhere.
The concept that it's easier for kids to get a hold of it has no basis in reality. It's readily available. Just like cigs and alcohol.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
JMHO...it would be a mistake to legalize marijuana.
Making it easier for our younger Jr High and High School age kids to get a hold of marijuana just creates more problems for those parents attempting to raise their kids to avoid drugs and alcohol.
We've talked so I know you've not been part of the drug culture. School kids have no trouble getting hold of pot now. No trouble at all. Making it legal won't make it any easier.
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Couple more points...marijuana IS A GATEWAY DRUG !
You can debate the issue all you want, but I'm old enough now to have lived through (friends/relatives/acquaintances) actual cases where their drug habit began with the first drug used, being marijuana.
Few want to admit it because many do it, but alcohol is the gateway drug.
As I said many don't want to call it a drug. But anything you do that alters your mind is a drug. I don't know but I'd bet that almost to a person their first experience with a mind altering substance is alcohol. If they like the effect they become more willing to try something else, especially pot since it's touted as quite nearly harmless.
Granted, after pot there is pills, coke and a myriad of other mind altering substances which a person may try. I did. But it takes a very addictive person to keep that going. I tried a lot of things but didn't/couldn't get caught up them. Same with those who drink and tried pot once. They just didn't/couldn't get caught up in it. There are those who will get caught up in a lot of it, all of it sometimes. But that is an addiction problem that can't be blamed on pot.
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My last point..what about the second hand smoke of marijuana users?
I haven't heard anyone discuss that issue!
If you fail a drug test, even by a very small margin, being in a room where others were smoking is no defense. Ask Josh Gordon. Apparently the second-hand smoke is of no consequence.
Just a quick reply about the gateway drug aspect......
The reason why weed has become somewhat of a gateway drug is because if people want it, they have to go to illegal means to get it. When they do that, often other drugs are available through that very same source. In other words, the guy selling the weed may also be selling cocaine, or ecstasy. This makes harder drugs readily available for them.
If weed were legal, people wouldn't be introduced to those drugs when purchasing weed.
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So just a couple tidbits from Colorado, haven't read every post, so I apologize if this has been brought up.
Marijuana use amongst teenagers dropped the first year after legalization in Colorado, and it makes sense to me. When you take away the, illegal rebel stigma, it loses it's appeal on a juvenile level.
I thought Marijuana legalization passed in Colorado, because it leans democratic, then I googled colorado presidential voting history, and Colorado has traditionally voted Republican. Then I thought, why did it pass? I think it has to do with the younger demographic of Colorado, and the fact that we have so may transplants from other states. I'd think people like that tend to be a bit more progressive.
That being said, I think it passed in Colorado, 56% yes to 44% no, don't quote me on that. Anyone have guesses on how Ohio votes.? I've said it's gonna be a few years before passing in Ohio, like 3-5. I'll guess first year, 60% no, 40% yes
We've talked so I know you've not been part of the drug culture. School kids have no trouble getting hold of pot now. No trouble at all. Making it legal won't make it any easier.
You don't think it will make it cheaper? I knew where to get it in high school.. one of the things that kept me from ever doing it was that I never had any money (or at least money that I wanted to spend on that)... so if my buddy Steve's dad has a couple plants that he can pick from for free...
This isn't about the pros and cons of its use, it is what should people be arrested for. If you are willing to have people thrown in jail for pot smoking because "that way fewer people get high", you're a jerk.
If we made junk food illegal we'd certainly have fewer fat people too. Throw 'em all in jail I say! Potato chips are a gateway snack!
If we made speeding a felony we'd have less dangerous highways. Our permissive ticketing system is letting kids drive faster and faster! Throw em' in jail I say! Fewer speeders!
We should make not doing your homework a felony! Throw all those bad students in jail I say! Think of the excellent grades we'd have!
Don't try to couch protecting youths in statements about arresting youths for non-violent activities. If you aren't harming other people you shouldn't have your life ruined. Imposing jail sentences as a way of improving society doesn't work and is a violent solution to non-violent problems. It is intellectually lazy and needlessly punitive.
You know how easy it is to get weed even with it being fully banned before?
It's like playing madden on rookie level. You literally have to go out of your way to not find weed anywhere.
The concept that it's easier for kids to get a hold of it has no basis in reality. It's readily available. Just like cigs and alcohol.
swish and EVERYONE holding this excuse that it's easy for JR HIGH and HIGH SCHOOL AGE KIDS to get pot now, so why not make pot legal...so you can get your pot easier and legally.
What a selfish, short sighted position!...pure BS.
Would it be "easier" for Jr High and High School age kids to get pot if it was legal to grow it?
How many of you have raised kids?
It is hard enough to raise kids to be drug free while they are under your roof without adding this crazy idea, allowing more pot to be grown legally.
Something else..I don't live where some of you live...it is not that easy to get pot in the farm country where I live.
Those who live in the city where it might be easier to score pot..do you want your neighborhood to be as drug free as possible?...
If your answer is, it doesn't matter because your neighborhood has already gone to hell with drugs available to anyone who wants them...do you think everyone wants their neighborhood to be like yours?
My experience shows that wherever their is drug use, their is an increase in crimes related to the illegal drug culture. Making it legal to grow mj might reduce the crime of growing an illegal drug, but in other areas the crime rates will likely increase. ...illegal sales ...illegal distribution ...illegal growing ...theft, shoplifting, fruad, burglary (to pay for mj & gateway drugs ...violent crime
Is marijuana a gateway drug?
There is no argument, yes, marijuana is a gateway drug!
More marijuana use is going to lead to more cocaine, heroin and meth use, as the drug industry grows in Ohio.
Making drugs easier to get...not a good idea, imo.
first off, nobody here on this board is advocating legalizing weed off the sole reason that kids can get a hold of it.
That is short sighted BS from you. and you need to learn how to read and comprehend. NOBODY on here said that nonsense. what we said was kids have been getting there hands on "illegal" stuff since forever, that somehow legalizing or keeping it illegal will do something is in fact, short sighted.
man, i see the D.A,R.E. program took hold of you.
That one poster who said most people didn't believe in refer madness, here's somebody that belongs in that 30% that did believe it.
weed isn't a gateway drug. i smoked weed, and i never had the urge to try cocaine, heroine, etc.
and the facts, studies, and articles that you can find anywhere readily support my position. all you're doing is fear mongering.
Do you drink or smoke? if you do, shut up. seriously.
point to the number of weed deaths compared to alcohol and cigs. don't worry, i'll wait.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
When I was in my teens and early 20's I smoked the wacky weed every weekend. I smoked a lot.
In my young 20's I started to learn a trade that was very complicated and took all my concentration. I found that when I returned to work on Monday's, I could not seem to remember much of what I had learned the week before. It was like starting over each week and it was frustrating. I thought there was something wrong with me and it turns out there was.
I stayed away from weed that weekend and had zero memory problems come Monday. I repeated it on the next weekend and had the same results, improved retention and memory.
I told my friends this trade I was learning would set me for life and I had to choose between it and weed. I chose the trade and it cost me half my friends.
All these years later, I am sitting pretty financially, retired at 56, raised a family successfully, found God, and still have many of those friends who weren't just around for the weed. I remained in that trade my entire working life.
Screw the party! Get serious about life, you only get one. You won't see me, after all the years of success, sitting in my rocking chair, slapping my leg with a curse and complaining "I could have smoked more weed!"
It's funny because I did when I was taking everything that was "legally" prescribed to me.
I got straights A's last semester. and I smoke everyday. Huh....
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I kept meaning to finish reading this thread but was always getting distracted by.... ummm... I don't remember what the hell it was haha.
Alcohol IS a gateway drug.
People who get stoned and drive are dangerous.
Now, maybe I've been a semi-regular pot smoker for years and never had the urge for a harder drug - except a brief dalliance with LSD in my 20s - and maybe none of that is true, but alcohol, in any way you can measure it , is a far more dangerous drug that pot.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
And Mac, swish is correct about young people/easier access to weed. They can get it anywhere. It's up to parents to be vigilant.
Funny. A constant argument I hear about guns is that they're legal and accessible, making it easier for children to get. And time and time again the answer I'm hearing from the pro-gun crowd is that it's up for the owner to be responsible, but with marijuana personal responsibility is out of the question and it needs to be controlled? Ha.
I wonder that if they make it legal; can I put in a claim to get my confiscated stash back from the early 80's....? Not that I want it to smoke but just sayin'
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Funny. A constant argument I hear about guns is that they're legal and accessible, making it easier for children to get. And time and time again the answer I'm hearing from the pro-gun crowd is that it's up for the owner to be responsible, but with marijuana personal responsibility is out of the question and it needs to be controlled? Ha.
Are you saying some people might play the "personal responsibility" card depending on the issue?
Overly serious and potentially insulting response incoming! Prepare yourselves according
Seriously dude. People arguing against marijuana legalization are basically insulting/threatening Swish. No one says it directly..but they basically are saying "We should arrest Swish for getting high". That is a big "FU" statement people want to pretend they aren't making. Are people really okay with Swish being arrested, taken away from his wife and kids, and thrown into prison to get raped?
If you don't want weed legalized go ahead and call the cops on Swish. Be a man of your words.
If you don't want Swish arrested for getting stoned then you are for legalizing marijuana. It isn't any more complicated than that. If you don't think Swish should get raped in prison for getting stoned you are for marijuana legalization. Either that or you don't have any integrity.
Laws apply to everyone and aren't supposed to be selectively enforced. It is either illegal or it isn't. And if you don't want your friends/family arrested then you are against a law.
If Swish was strangling hobos I'd immediately call the cops on him. Because banning murder is a sensible law.
If you want Swish arrested for getting stoned I don't consider you a friend or a decent human being. When it gets personal the lines are much clearer on this stuff.
But it's a really fun hobby if you're interested.
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