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I would think that Hawkins is not going anywhere unless someone overpays. I wouldn't be sad to trade Benjamin if we got good value back and were able to keep one the guys we would have to cut. Benjamin doesn't really have any value though as he has never been all that productive and his contract is up after this season.

So trade Benjamin for maybe a 5/6 rounder ... Marlon Moore makes the team as a ST ... Gilbert maybe returns punts and finds a niche

I could have sworn that tab already made a thread about this? Did it get locked?

So why did this guy start a new thread?

haha well his picture IS barney fife

Oh man......that was brutal.

Bowe, Hartline, Gabriel and Hawkins obviously....


The last two spots I think end up going to Vince Mayle and Travis Benjamin.

I can't see the team giving up on a 4th round pick that quickly. Sure, we could send him to the practice squad but I'm fairly positive he could get claimed via waivers and or poached later from another team.

If we keep a 7th spot, it's going to be a battle between Lenz and Pryor.

Seeing as I haven't seen Pryor, and have been impressed with Lenz, I'm going with Lenz. I like the kid thus far and am interested in seeing more of him.

if pryor gets cut, antonio brown convinces the steelers to pick him up, he kills us for the next decade. mark my words.

We're only allowed to talk about the WR's once?

Well, obviously you are allowed to talk about them as many times as you want. My point is why couldn't you have just added to tab's thread? Wouldn't you still be "talking" about them?

Here, watch this. Read this thread and then go back to the Pure Football forum and check the newest thread. Okay?

Most excellent football talk there vers.

Thanks arch.

I have to admit that your post was also an awesome example of great football talk. Between the two of us, we are just two football-talking fools, eh?

Panthers don't have much cap room, certainly not for Bowe. I think Hawkins will lead us in yardage this year, but who really knows. I know the Panthers will be looking at every WR that is going to be cut and look into trades as well. Not only did they lose Kelvin at WR, but Stephen Hill was lost a couple weeks ago...Heck their corps was worse than ours I believe before Kelvin went down. I'd gladly give them Travis Benjamin for a 5th round draft pick

It's gotta be:

Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin and Moore.

Pryor is a sexy pick to make the roster but he hasn't played in a game, has been plagued by injury, and Moore is a stud on special teams. You don't cut a great ST player for a guy who may or may not have it when he's healthy.

My best guess is that the Browns would love to put Pryor and Mayle on the practice squad and keep the six listed above.

Pryor can't be put on the PS, but that isn't to say that he can't suddenly come down with a mysterious injury and land on the IR.

Yeah that's right. Forgot about the eligibility rules for the squad. I still don't see how we could keep him though. Unless he survives to the third preseason game and goes crazy in Tampa.

Link

In matter of minutes, Browns WR Shane Wynn shows why he’s a dual threat

Posted 17 minutes ago

Kevin Jones Staff Writer @Mr_KevinJones Facebook

Shane Wynn is the shortest skill player in the NFL at 5-foot-6. Knock the height all you want, but those in attendance didn’t need a magnifying glass to spot the Cleveland native surging under the FirstEnergy Stadium lights.

Playing in his native city, Wynn caught a touchdown and had an electric punt return Thursday night in the team’s second preseason game against the Buffalo Bills.

Wynn was on the receiving end of quarterback Johnny Manziel’s 21-yard touchdown pass early in the fourth quarter. And while given every opportunity to talk about himself in the locker room after the game, the undrafted rookie quickly credited his Browns teammates on the collaborative 96-yard touchdown drive.

“Give credit where credit is due. The offensive line made some key blocks and Johnny does what Johnny does,” Wynn said. “A play is never dead with Johnny Manziel.”

Turns out, a play may never be dead with Wynn, either.

The Glenville High School product has a turbo button in the open field, so much so that the Browns special teams could be his fastest route to the 53-man roster.

The Browns defense forced a quick three-and-out of Bills quarterback E.J. Manuel immediately following Wynn’s touchdown grab. Backpedaling to receive Buffalo punter Colton Schmidt’s 51-yard wallop, Wynn made a well-timed hesitation move to split two Bills, and it was off to the races. Wynn shed five tacklers as he raced down the sidelines for a 57-yard return.

The special teams play of the night might have been wiped out because of a facemask penalty on Jalen Parmele, but the coaches will remember Wynn when they watch film together Friday.

“I stuck my foot in the ground, got north and trusted my speed,” Wynn said. “I take every opportunity seriously. I don’t see any leeway in trying to make the team or anything like that. I’m just going to go out and practice and work hard as I’ve been doing.”

Mental mistakes plagued the return game in 2014, and a few months back many expected incumbent Travis Benjamin would face heavy competition at the spot. On Thursday, Benjamin, who has been otherwise solid throughout the preseason, fielded a punt at the 2-yard line rather than letting it bounce into the end zone for a touchback.

Keeping a sixth or seventh receiver on the roster specifically for one job is a tough argument to win, but Wynn showed Thursday he can be a threat as both a receiver and return man.

Football playmakers come in all shapes and sizes. Andrew Hawkins and Taylor Gabriel overcame odds, why can’t Shane Wynn?

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To get a better idea of Wynn, click the link at the top and watch the interview. He has a deathgrip on that football lol

Wynn is a dynamic little dude but...


Shed 5 tackles? This was not the punt return that I saw... he split the first two, ran away from one and the next guy that touched him was the guy that brought him down.

It's Kevin Jones. You can't trust what he writes.

Oh, and I have to add this:



Dude, shut up! You speak to your readership like they are all stupid. Some of us are smart enough to recognize your juvenile attempts at deception.

I understand what you're saying and believe you are 100% right. The thing I believe people need to keep in mind is that he actually writes for the team. That's his job to sell fans on the team.

He's paid to be a homer. So even though I agree with you, that's what I think we should expect from him.

Dwayne Bowe - Should be safe
Brian Hartline - Should be safe
Andrew Hawkins - Should be safe
Taylor Gabriel - Should be safe
Travis Benjamin - Should be safe
Terrell Pryor - Who knows at this point
Vince Mayle - They can't possibly keep him ... can they?
Shane Wynn - Coming on strong ... fan favorite ... but another small wr?
Marlon Moore - Based on Pett's comments, his he safe too?
Josh Lenz - Falling off a tad ... I bet he's cut
Darius Jennings - Has been consisten ... I bet a PS candidate

Wow just maybe we'll see Bowe this upcoming game. Maybe.

He said in his presser he's never missed anything due to a hamstring. By the sounds and how much we paid him, obviously he's projected to be a piece of the pie here.

Would like to see him. I know Bowe in his prime, haven't kept track him in recent years. Like to see how he runs and etc, if he's willing to block still and etc.


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Yeah... he said the same thing about Benjamin having their roles seemingly "secured" on the STs so... I viewed them as the lower end of the spectrum in our WR battle, so if they "locked" - then Lenz, Mayle, Wynn, Jennings chances may be even more less.

But yeah, I picked up on and thought the same when Pettine said that.

Write it down Mayle will have a season ending injury in one of the last two preseason games. My guess he aggravates his thumb injury!

Seriously, I don't think his injury is healed. He catches the ball awkwardly. I'll bet it bothered him last year in college too.

Mayle didn't injure his thumb until Senior Bowl week so he can't use that as an excuse for drops during the season.

I could have sworn I heard he played hurt last year. I understand the broken thumb at senior bowl.

Excuse? Kid was drafted in the fourth round. Vince missed OTAs and some TC. What is your expectation?

Again, Mayle had a reputation of dropping the ball BEFORE he hurt his hand.

He also had a "reputation" for catching a lot of balls. I guess it depends on how you look at it.

He's a rookie, they catch on at different speeds. I've seen him on several special teams units. It looks like they plan on giving him every chance to stick around.

I haven't heard much about his work ethic/attitude. Has anyone else?

I think the terms "juvenile" and "deception" are a bit strong. Those are words meant to incite.

As for Mayle, you can either catch or you can't. He can't. I'm not sure why people are getting so worked up over this. His chances of making the team were always 50/50 from the moment he was drafted. I really see it, from a fan perspective, as no big deal. He'll likely get cut as he should. Obviously I feel bad for the young man, but we were never counting on this guy to begin with.

OK, I'm defending this kid!! Watching Vince I'm getting the same vibe seeing Skrine during his first year. I have nothing to bring to table proving this kid has what it takes. I had a similar vibe watching Charlie Johnson.

All I know is don't give up on this kid. He had a run of bad luck losing his starting QB, hurt during senior bowl, thumb didn't heal right needing surgery. Yea, "drops" have come frequently, but he has a lot of catches and was a go-to-guy in Washington.

Also until about 3 years ago he considered himself a basketball player and pursued that sport.

I'm not saying Mayle has NO hope ... but who would you cut in order to make room for him? Pryor? Benji? Moore? Wynn? ... one of those (actually, probably most) will be the casualty of keeping Mayle

Mayle isn't making the team. We were going to have to cut draft 2015 draft picks all along. That's what happens when you pick 12 guys.

I agree wholeheartedly, but I was asking Bugs what his solution to keeping Mayle would be

There are really only two options:

1) Fake an injury, stash on IR.
2) Cut and hope he makes it to the practice squad.

Well he said he would KEEP Mayle on the 53, so my question is who would you cut to keep him

If it were ME (pertaining to your 2 choices) I'd cut him and put him on the PS ... no team will grab him IMO

J/C .....

The 6th or 7th WR on this team is not going to be active on game days. He is going to sit and learn, because the numbers simply will not allow for 6 or 7 active receivers each week. My suspicion is that we will probably only have 5 WR active each week. That means that that 6-7 will have an aspect that the team wants to develop ..... be it speed, size, or whatever.

Now, whether that guy, or those guys, will be Mayle, Lenz, Pryor, or Wynn is yet to be determined .... but it will be a guy or guys that the team sees as filling a specific role down the road.

We know that Hartline, Hawkins, Benjamin, and Gabriel are making the team. Bowe is almost certainly making the team, even though he has not played much this preseason. That leaves 1, and maybe 2 spots left.

Something funny/weird I just noticed is that these guys are our 1st 5 guys alphabetically among our receivers.

The remaining receivers are Jennings, Lenz, Mayle, Moore, Pryor and Wynn.

1 or 2 of these guys will make this team, and each has something to recommend them for that spot.

I think that Pryor has the ability to be the emergency QB, and that may recommend him for one of the spots. That leaves 1 spot, max, for someone to fill. Frankly, the only way I see us keeping 7 WR is if Pryor is also the 3rd QB.

That means that there is one potential spot that will be chosen from among Jennings, Lenz, Mayle, Moore, and Wynn.

Moore is a superior special teams player, but offers little on offense. Jennings has played well this preseason, but I don't know if he has done enough yet. Mayle is a big receiver, who was said to need a year to develop, but who has #1 receiver upside. Lenz and Wynn have both played well this preseason. Wynn is tiny though, and I mean tiny. 5'6" and 167# (and maybe smaller) is a tiny NFL WR. I wonder what his upside is, especially when he sits behind 2 other smaller WR. Do Lenz and Jennings have enough to recommend them for a developmental spot? Mayle was drafted as a developmental guy, and I keep coming back to that.

We have a really good idea who 1-5 are on this team. Moore is a great special teams guy, but adds nothing on offense. Pryor can function as the 3rd string QB, and as a "gadget" player. Mayle was drafted to be developed.

I still think that 1-2 spots will come down to these 3 guys.

I could see Wynn going on the practice squad.

I agree YTBF. Earlier I felt Benli was a cut possibility. At this point I have changed my mind on that. Moores best shot is as the special teams coachs selection. They usually are given the ability to save one player from the cut because of ST play. If he makes the team, it isn't for his ability to be a receiver. Wynn might be in that area as well. If he continues to shine as a return guy, I don't see us cutting him.

I see Mayle as a cut and returned to the practice squad. You run the risk of somebody signing him while on waivers. Someone also mentioned him put on IR. We will see if he comes up with some "injury" over the next week or two.

I thought you read the tim couch and DA debates that are consuming threads and went running for the hills lol.

Glad to have you back...I've missed your posts!