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Holmgren had success stories, and how did that help us? Ie Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden. Brandon Weeden was THE worse decision ever. Doesn't compare to last year at all.

The reason she writes about them so much is that she knows that we will not win without one.

MKC's biggest problem is that she actually cares about the team, and wants to see them win, in addition to covering the team.

Sure, but a 1500-word piece on Tim couch's and JFF's elbows?

Woman needs an editor.

Yep !! The back up QB is the fan favorite on any losing/struggling team .... in Cleveland it is worse and more intense because of the extended period of losing and misery. . . I just named my pay to play Fantasy team 'Factory of Sadness' in honor of the Browns!!

I named by fantasy team "Green Snakes" in honor of green snakes!

Awesome.

That was for mgh888, btw

Browns shutting down quarterback Johnny Manziel because of recurrent elbow soreness

That little sore elbow experienced by Johnny Manziel that the Browns were not concerned about? Might be time to get a little concerned.

Manziel’s soreness did not disappear after two days rest and now the Browns probably will shut down their No. 2 quarterback and keep him out of the third preseason game in Tampa on Saturday.

With No. 3 Connor Shaw already lost probably for the season after thumb surgery, the Browns are actively looking to bring in another quarterback to get them through the preseason, coach Mike Pettine said.

An MRI done on Manziel’s elbow showed “no structural damage,” Pettine said, which the team considered a positive. But the coach revealed for the first time that Manziel’s sore elbow “is something he’s been dealing with since high school.”

“I just see it as a minor setback,” Pettine said. “If this was something he’d never experienced before and the MRI showed something, I’d be a lot more concerned. But this being something he’s dealt with before, I’m confident if he’s shut down for just a little bit longer, that it’ll all come back.”

Manziel first experienced a sore elbow and was held out of throwing on Aug. 11. Manziel returned to play in the first and second preseason games.

Near the end of practice on Aug. 23, Manziel pointed to his elbow after a deep throw. He was removed from the practice and did not throw over the next two days.

Originally, Manziel was supposed to practice on Wednesday to prepare for the final season dress rehearsal in Tampa on Saturday. But those plans appear scrapped.

Pettine is still saying he’s not concerned, even though there is now a history of a sore problem going back to high school.

“Because I think he’s managed it,” Pettine said. “He just went a little too far with it. Could he play if he had to? More than likely he could, but why do that in preseason? If this was the regular season, it might be a different story.”

Pettine was asked what he meant that Manziel “went a little too far.”

“I’m not sure whether there was one throw. I doubt it,” Pettine said. “As (offensive coordinator John DeFilippo) talked about, sometimes when a guy drops the elbow and has that three-quarter release, sometimes it’s going to put a little bit more pressure on the elbow than on the shoulder.

“I asked (Manziel) the other day whether he felt he threw more at this camp than a year ago and he said it felt the same. It’s something that just flared up.”

“I asked (Manziel) the other day whether he felt he threw more at this camp than a year ago and he said it felt the same. It’s something that just flared up.”

According to numbers compiled by ESPN Cleveland’s Jason Gibbs during training camp practices open to media, Manziel actually has thrown 50 percent fewer passes this summer than a year ago, when he was engaged in an open competition with Brian Hoyer for the starting job.

Gibbs’ final throwing tally this year had Manziel completing 109 of 170 passes in individual, 7-on-7 and team drills. The figures a year ago: 178 completions in 347 passes.

Both tallies do not include preseason games.

“We just want to be cautious and not have it develop into something that would continue to bother him throughout the year,” Pettine said. “His reps will go down, depending on how we construct the roster. Just the volume of throws he’ll get in the season will go down from training camp.

“It’s something where if it’s managed properly managed from a training standpoint, from a strength and conditioning standpoint, he’s aware of it and the coaches are aware of it, as long as there’s nothing structural, we don’t see it as anything that is going to be long term.”

Pettine said that starter Josh McCown and Lewis would split play time in Tampa on Saturday. The Browns have a quick turnaround for their final preseason game five days later in Chicago. The team hopes to have another quarterback on hand to mop up in that game because it’s likely that McCown won’t play.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=48881

Would this not be an ideal spot for Pryor?

Browns call it minor, but Johnny Manziel's elbow issues persist

BEREA, Ohio — The Cleveland Browns did their best to turn off the alarms Wednesday, but it’s tough not to wonder about Johnny Manziel’s elbow.

Consider the progression that Manziel and the Browns have followed the past couple weeks:

Manziel missed practice Aug. 11 with a sore elbow that the team shrugged off as a typical training camp occurrence.

After playing in two preseason games, Manziel pronounced his elbow fine.

Three days later on Aug. 23, Manziel left practice early, pointing to his elbow after a long throw to Josh Lenz.

Manziel did not throw Aug. 24, as the Browns said a day off and another players day off would give Manziel the ability to return by Wednesday.

Offensive coordinator John DeFilippo and Pettine both said Manziel puts stress on his arm and elbow with his mechanics, which sometimes drop to three-quarters; both said they would not try to change his Manziel throws.

Wednesday, Manziel again did not throw.

Coach Mike Pettine said the team had sent him for an MRI.

The coach added that he and the front office would discuss the best way to proceed with Manziel — that shutting him down for the week was a real option and the Browns very well could sign another quarterback (Connor Shaw already is out after thumb surgery).

Pettine said “it’s looking” like Manziel will not play in the third preseason game against Tampa Bay.

Then he added this nugget: Manziel has dealt with elbow soreness since high school.

This could well be a “minor setback,” as Pettine called it. It may be a simple matter of maintenance and treatment and reduced reps after training camp to keep Manziel available.

“If it’s managed properly from a training room standpoint and a strength-and-conditioning standpoint and he’s aware of it and the coaches are aware of it, as long as there’s nothing structural we don't see it as anything that is long term,” Pettine said.

Which is clearly a sound hope.

But the progression that has taken place the last couple weeks is not exactly encouraging. And when Pettine says in one statement that he hopes it’s not long term but in another says it’s been happening since high school, it sounds at a minimum intriguing.

Isn’t a 22-year-old who has been dealing with elbow soreness for years already dealing with something that is long-term and chronic?

Pettine, though, saw the fact that Manziel has been dealing with the issue for some time not as a negative but a positive.

“Because he’s managed it,” Pettine said. “I just think he went a little too far with it. Now we just want to ... could he play if he had to? More than likely he could. But why do that in the preseason? If this were the regular season it might be different story.

“We just want to be cautious and not have it develop into something that can continue to bother him throughout the year.”

Pettine has been straightforward since the day he was hired, so there’s no reason to doubt him. But when he talks about managing what is happening, it raises eyebrows — even with his words of caution.

“If this was something he had never experienced and the MRI showed some damage, I’d be a lot more concerned,” Pettine said. “This being something he’s dealt with before ... we’re confident that just shutting it down for a little bit longer it’ll all come back. “

Certainly that’s the hope.

But it’s also almost the exact same thing the team said Aug. 11, two weeks ago.

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one would think but pettine say no.

I, and a few others, would like to see Pryor get a shot. Surely that would be better than bringing someone in stone-cold...

Jc

I have this sinking feeling JM will never last a full season as a starter. Tendonitis.

Jc

I have this sinking feeling JM will never last a full season as a starter. Tendonitis.

j/c:

A few comments:

--Mourg, will you please provide evidence that Pet said he NEVER wanted Shanny as our coach and instead wanted to hire Flip? I've never heard that before. Thanks in advance for the link, tab...errrr......Mourg.

--Speaking of tab, where the heck is he? Hope he is okay?

--Interviewing Timid as an expert is about as smart as storing ice in a furnace. His coaches tried to change his motion over and over. I predicted he would blow his arm out.

--Timid says he hasn't studied Johnny's motion. LOL....he didn't study when he played the position. Why start now?

--Mark Kay? I remember her crying when we released Timid. What an objective reporter she was.

--I don't believe in curses, karma, etc....but man, it's crazy how many times we get punched in the face once we get our hopes up. JM finally starts playing decently and we learn he has a recurring elbow injury. I used to pitch and play SS in baseball. Had terrible tendinitis in my elbow that got so bad that I didn't even play baseball my senior year. It can be freaking brutal.

--I like Pet at this time, but man, he comes across as dumb w/some of his comments.

So what good thing happened to you today in your life? Big, small - anything?

The web site "http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa/quarterback/available/" lists available quarterbacks, and players on the list include Jason Campbell, Tyler Thigpen, Jordan Palmer, Josh Johnson, Devin Gardner and Tajh Boyd.

Do any of them really sound any more appealing than seeing what Pryor can do?

one of his students must have put a whoppy cushion on his chair. dude stays cranky.

Time for you to go back to the Everything Else forum and find another reason to rip either whites or Christians and complain about how tough you have it in the United States.

lol, i see you just got butthurt.

eat a snickers. you're not you when you're hungry.

^^^

Why? The guy isn't a QB. If he was he would have never been switched to WR. Though I agree I don't see how bringing in another QB who doesn't know the system you be a viable option inside of 3 days. It is what it is. Have McCown hand off a lot and tell the line and backs the game is in their hands....then bring in Thad for soe serious reps.

dont know. was wondering myself.

I think a poster might have ticked him off (pure speculation based on anecdotal evidence).

Pit, if you read this, do you have any thoughts?

Exactly. Pryor needs this game to work on his receiving game, not to practice something that he will no longer do.

Nah, tab is too tough for that. He gets offended easily, but he is a tough guy and will persevere.

He has had heart issues. He's had a rough go w/Sandy and his business. I'm hoping he's okay. I argue w/him a lot, but he's my brother and I love him as such.

yea.

I think this definitely solidifies McCown starting if it wasn't solidified already.

Just speculating but this also COULD also mean Manziel doesn't play in a Browns uniform again (unless McCown is injured or really really stinks it up, which might be the goal of this season?).

He's ok. Posting on Facebook regularly.

Thanks. I was worried about him.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

I think he was just saying that if McCown plays well (which the odds are not in favor of) that Manziel could be done as a Brown. I don't think that will happen, but I can imagine a scenario where that is the case.

(He also probably didn't take into account the fact that Manziel will most likely play in the fourth preseason game.)

I never said he didnt want Shanny, I said He wanted Flip and that has been in a few different articles. Banner brought in Shanny when Shanny could have had any number of jobs and the Browns OC job was considered one of the worst in football. I aint trying to be negatative towards Shanny or Banner. Getting shanny in here for OC when no one was willing to touch the OC job here was tremendous but Flip was the guy Pet wanted to hire.

Hell, I would take a shot at Tajh Boyd. At least he can run the damn ball if nothing else.

Farmer needs to get Tenn on the phone and make a trade for Zach Mettenberger. Offer anywhere from a 5th maybe 4th round pick and call it a day. If we don't someone else will.

1. Is Mettenberger even good?
2. Is Mettenberger better than Manziel?
3. Is Mettenberger available?
4. Can Mettenberger pick up an offense with no OTAs or training camp?
5. If Mettenberger was any good why did the team that has been around him for a year draft a QB #2 overall?
6. Does Mettenberger fit in our offense that all other players already know?

he has a world of talent but he has brittle bones. Its why he took such a big fall in the draft.

Tennis elbow is brutal. I've had it on and off all my life to one extent or another. It's not something that just goes away. Sure with proper treatment(anti inflammatory meds) it should get better but.......


“I just see it as a minor setback,” Pettine said. “If this was something he’d never experienced before and the MRI showed something, I’d be a lot more concerned. But this being something he’s dealt with before, I’m confident if he’s shut down for just a little bit longer, that it’ll all come back.”

Come back for how long coach? Johhny has never played an entire NFL season under center. He got hurt pretty fast last year. So that is a huge question. Just how many games can he play before Mr. Elbow turns him into Johnny Fragile? Missing these sanps could come back to haunt him and us if McCown goes down. And what are the odds of a Cleveland quarterback surviving an entire 16 game season? It's pretty damned likely McCown will go down at some point this season. Go down to an injury, or go down in flames.... either way if Johhny comes marching in, just how ready will he be? Looking ready for a series or two in the preseason is WAY fracking different than being ready for the REAL deal. Whens D's are keyed up and throwing the kitchen sink at you.


Man, I just HOPE we can run the ball this year. We better be able to. QB is a real and present danger.

Peace

1) Yes he is. He is overshadowed by a bad team.

2) In fairness that remains to be seen, but he does posses ideal size (6'5/225lbs) and arm strength.

3) From what I read the Titans like ZM, but we've heard organizations say the same in the past only to part with a player when the right deal is presented.

4) Again unknown, but players being signed off the street, then learning the offense on the fly is not unheard of. I wasn't proposing ZM start. But if JM is hurt we may want to get another quality arm with some upside on the field.

5) From my understanding passing up a Heisman winner was too much risk for the Titans.

6) Well he did have the luxury of having Cam Cameron as his offensive coordinator while at LSU. I believe having a former NFL coach as his coordinator is invaluable. If JM could pick up a new system, no reason Given time ZM couldn't. The only reason he was picked low was primarily because of injury and off the field trouble.

He did get hurtin college,but I wouldn't call him injury prone just yet.