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I think just the fact that he's been ruled out for both games.

The more live bullets he gets the better, and with Pettine basically saying McCown is our starter, you'd think JFF would get basically all of game 4. So his injury must be concerning enough to hold him out.

It's obviously an issue but shutting him down for two games is more precautionary. Pat and Thad can get us through the final preseason game. Pettine has said if it were regular season JFF would play but then that's an easy thing for a HC to say at this point.

On a side note, I find the quick reply to to be a PITA!!

Like most Browns fans here I am bummed there is going to be no Johnny Football for the next couple of preseason games. I really thought he was making some positive progress and would have loved to have seen a little bit more of him before the regular season starts.

You know what they say: 'Good things come to those who wait.'

((((WE'RE WAITING! ))))

While I believe many of your points are valid I believe you left out one very important issue in your five point plan. so issue #6.

6. This has been an ongoing issue with JFF since his high school days and twice just since training camp began a short while ago.

yea but it was not from a hit so it doesnt count........

[guess you missed that.

What ever I stated fits in with PRESEASON SHUT DOWN. Rest...is rest.

Hoyer Defensive? Trust me you have given me nothing to be defensive about.

Just wonder if Hoyer would be classed as having Durability problems.

Again - he tore his hammy a bit enough not to play. Yes, I do think it had a lot to do with his Drinking!

Sore elbow has nothing to do with him being ITALIAN. Neither would the hammy. So I have no basis to discuss about your concern. If there is concern it is on things that just have not happened yet.

PB...see this is where the contact phrase came from - cause I speak MACanese and you don't I know he was trying to somehow connect this to his (It must be ITALIAN) size and being able to handle the wear and tear of an NFL QB...He might be but he hasn't been out there enough to have that wear n tear and my comment of this injury having nothing to do with any contact. So keep up with your one liners. Just don't get upset when nobody takes you serious at a time you wish to be. Hey your bed....

I guess to some extent it did. I'm just not so sure how him "just icing it and accepting it" would equate to it being in his history since high school. It would seem to me that if it was a part of the record, that coaches and team trainers must have known about it and addressed it.

I just believe since it's been an ongoing problem dating back years, it is something we should be concerned about. I don't necessarily feel it spells doom and gloom.

dont know MACanese. but you compared contact injury to noncontact injury. and to say a player in week 14 is not in football shape when he wasnt injured and practiced all year is a stretch. jmo.

as for his arm i dont know how you could not be concerned. i wasnt until i found out its been all his football life. i dont think it matters one bit if the MRI showed damage or not when the problem is bad throwing mechanics that our OC says cannot be fixed.

you two should get a room.

pblack and his left arm?

they don't call it "the stranger" for no reason...

and not share with the board? how selfish could i be?

Some see it as half-full. Some see it as half-empty. Others see is as why aren't using the other half of the glass?

Wait, someone is saying it's somehow a good thing that Manziel is not playing in these last two games? Or am I misunderstanding?

Yes, tab is saying it is a good thing and the best part is he is ridiculing others who don't think it is a good thing.

There's a joke about a glass somewhere in all of that...

Some of us simply see it as a half a glass. Seeing it as half full or half empty is looking at it from one direction. If you have a half a glass of milk, one half is full and one half is empty.

It would be nice to see the glass start filling up though.

You're right. I should have included that.

I was just adding my 2 cents. lol

as far as QB i see it pretty much empty. JMO

yeah. we know

Someone has been counting his reps. It's posted here on the board somewhere that he threw twice as much last year as he has this year.

The sore elbow never came up last year.

That makes me think this is no big deal. Not something that happens every year. Maybe not something that happens regularly at all. Yes, he ices it after every practice. Part of what Pet meant when he said it's been "managed". This camp, however, it came up. Like it has before, (but not always).

With the clean MRI it's probably just what they're saying it is, he has a lot of odd deliveries and he tweaked it. I don't see the signs of an ongoing injury-type issue.

No, PLEEEEEZE.... leave the door closed.

Trust me- we'll ALL respect the "Do Not Disturb" sign on the doorknob.


Word is bond.

ok clem. just for you i will not open the door and leave. thanks for the support..........

dude, even your sig line is a downer....

J/C .....

Manziel missed what would have been much of his off-season throwing program because he was in rehab. (and I cannot remember if he missed some off-season conditioning and such as well)

I am sure that is probably a factor this year.

I sometimes wonder when we see a player fall in the draft that it maybe for reasons like this..

Is there a possibility other teams saw his awkward throwing habit and realized it could be an issue at the NFL level ?

It certainly is possible, but I believe that this is something else, since it wasn't an issue at all last year.

Insults? Where was the insult? Here is what I said:



You even took the time to quote it. Where are the insults?

The best part is you then follow w/these gems:

Nice sentence, btw. LOL


















No insults there, but again.............this comment insulted you:



Yeah tab, you are the victim.

Havent read through all these posts but just wanted to make a few general comments.

Pryor needs this. The coaches want him on this team but he has to give them a reason an on field reason to keep him. gots to show something on gameday.

Mack, he isnt close to where he was before the injury. I think game strength is an issue for him right now. You can pump iron but until you get in that quick power based pushing and punching competition, you are gonna struggle. Hopefully he gets a good amound of reps tonight.

Manziel worries me. I know its probably just precautionary but when a QB is hurting bad enough to go to the trainers and complain about a sore elbow when he is neck deep in a competition to start the season, it is of major concern. Then to be shut down for 2 games. I mean it may be a little bit of the coaches pulling back the reins as they want McCown to start the season and maybe Johnny show was starting to pick up to much steam but if I am Manziel, I throw til my i cant throw no more. I ran on my blown out knee until i was forced to go see the doc. Maybe he is just smarter than I was but I am bothered by this a great deal.

I'm tempted to agree with you about Manziel. Part of me wishes he'd tell Pettine "give me a cortisone shot and let me play", because this was to be his first chance (this year) playing with the ones. But having experienced both elbow and patellar tendonitis in my amateur career, I can tell you that the only real treatment for tendonitis is rest and anti-inflammatory drugs, followed by weight training to rebuild muscles around the joint in order to stabilize it. Because even though the Browns keep saying that the MRI showed no structural damage, the tendonitis is a symptom of an impending joint problem.