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Bengals release Adams
By GEOFF HOBSON
May 14, 2007

Updated: 3:10 p.m.

Just 13 months after signing three-time Pro Bowler Sam Adams to anchor their run defense, the Bengals terminated his contract Monday to make way for younger defensive tackles.

The move comes the same day they announced signing Kenderick Allen, a fifth-year player with the Packers in 2006, two weeks after they drafted Oregon’s Matt Toeaina in the sixth round, and three weeks after they signed Denver’s Michael Myers in free agency. The move also basically assures second-year man Domata Peko starts next to John Thornton in the middle of the Bengals 4-3.

Adams had no comment.

The move doesn’t appear to be made for salary-cap reasons, given that the Bengals figure to save only $700,000 by cutting Adams one year into his three–year deal. He was scheduled to make $1.5 million, but the acceleration of his $1.2 million signing bonus takes up $800,000.

Adams, who turns 34 next month, started all 16 games last season. But after he spent the spring and much of training camp off the field with the strength and conditioning staff, he injured a knee in his only preseason appearance and ended up as part of a tackle rotation that saw the emergence of Peko and required arthroscopic surgery after the season.

Adams finished with 25 tackles, two sacks, and a pass defensed compared to Peko’s 49 tackles, 2.5 sacks, and a forced fumble.

It was a tough call for head coach Marvin Lewis, the Ravens defensive coordinator during Adams' heyday in the middle of Baltimore's record-setting defense at the beginning of the decade.

“Releasing Sam is a very difficult decision,” Lewis said in a press release, “but the timing is such that it provides Sam the opportunity to obtain a roster spot with another team. Sam has had an outstanding NFL career, and we wish him and his family the very best.”

Adams had taken a high-profile in the community as part owner of the Arena Football League2 Jungle Kats.

The Bengals didn’t allow big numbers against the run last season. They finished in the top half of the league (at 15) and allowed just four 100-yard rushers compared to five in 2005. In’06 they allowed 4.2 yards per carry, pretty much smack in the middle with 16 teams having a lower and better number.

But those were high numbers against the rush for teams that had a healthy Adams. From 2000 to 2004, Adams he started at least 14 games for three different teams (Baltimore, Oakland, Buffalo) that never finished lower than eighth in the NFL against the run.

The ’06 Bengals finished 31st against the pass, although only 14 teams logged more than their 35 sacks.

The move makes them younger on a starting line in which Adams, Thornton (30) and left end Bryan Robinson (33 next month) were all at least 30. Myers, 31, and Allen, 28, are most likely to be projected into the rotation.

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6047

We definately need to take a look here,bring him on in for a physical.

*in best Lloyd Christmas impression*

Pick em' up!

wow...why would they give him and Smith up in the same offseason? That's very odd, as Smith could be starting for Cincy now...

Come on up, Sam.

Imagine the tension the cook staff is feeling at the Brown's traing facilities with Ted Washington and then Sam Adams sitting down to eat with that lean and hungry look on their faces.
Play them next to each other with a D end outside and an OLB on the opposite side....wow!

I think we all agree he can be a great rotational player that won't cost a lot. We've got the money lets swoop him up...

Bringing him in 2 years ago would have a great move,last year so-so,this year forget about it.Over age,over wieght,under performing,we don't need.Let's find out if TW and Smith can hold up at the nose.

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over wieght,under performing

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If I remember correctlly I read that Sam Adams lost a bunch of wieght From the surgury he had . I'll try and dig up the article

iF HE DOESN'T COST ANYTHING..doesn't hurt to bring him in..let him play a bit next to Ted...

Adams would make a good addition.... especially if Romeo's job is on the line and we have a WIN NOW philosophy. He's only a stopgap..due to his age, but he can definately be an on the field coach/leader...

Our whole defensive line is pretty much either aging stopgap or unproven talent... so adding one more real cheap doesn't seem like a bad idea to me...

Somebody help me here,, is this the same Sam Adams that started for the Ravens during thier Superbowl year?

Same...him a Saragoosa

People keep talking about Adams and Washington on the field at the same time.. I think I see it more of them NOT on the field at the same time.. with Washington at 37 and Adams at 34, they might just add up to ONE good DT if they could split playing time and stay rested.. especially if our defense has trouble getting off the field the way it did last year..

Beat me to it DC... Rotating Adams and Washington at NT, could we POSSIBLY have a short-term solution in the middle?? Couldn't hurt to bring him in, check him out and, if he's healthy, see what kind of money he's looking for.

rotation...
if we had better talent on the d-line and could do as the d-line for a 3/4 was supposed to (plug the gaps and/or occupy blockers and hold the LOS) then you shut down the run, forcing passing down on 3rd where you bring in your smaller and quicker linemen. our d was on the field for too many first down conversions and our offense had too many non-conversions leading to a horrible time of possesion difference. if the 2 were only on the field for maybe 4-6 plays in a series, then i think they would be far more rested. the key is not allowing long drives

This is what I would do.. bring in Adams for minimal money and use him in rotation with Washington this year... then next year if we get some stud DT in FA, we keep whichever one is most productive for depth, if we have to draft a DT we still keep whichever one is most productive to start and mentor... and whichever one we let go, isn't going to cost us much, if anything..

In fact I have this recurring fear that a month from now Big Ted announces his retirement...

I think it's a win/win...

heck, i say use ted at nose, rotating him in w/ s. smith and adams, but also let those 2 guys rotate in w/ robaire and roye too. clog up that LOS w/ some big ole guys. could you imagine an obvious run situation with fat ted, smith and adams?

Does Shaun Smith have the ability to play end?

If not, we have already picked up a NT and paid him good money to rotate with Big Ted. I don't see us signing Adams as well.

On the other hand, if Smith makes a good DE, and Adams comes fairly cheap, we should definately look at bringing him in.

JMO.

Kash, considering the relative age and girth of BOTH Washington and Adams, I think Smith could be worked into a rotation at NT as well. I think there would be plenty of plays to go around.

Its a 53 man roster.Keeping 3 NT's eats into roster space.What does anybody know about him,other than he's fat.Can he play NT,has he ever?What's his attitude?BAlt was a 4-3 in thier SB year,and Cinci has been a 4-3 team recently.Just because a guy is fat,doesn't mean he's a good NT.
What does it hurt by signing him?Maybe this Smith kid,or Oshinowo,will be the NT of the future and they are going to need reps.
Everybody harps about not devolping our young players,but the minute some aging,overwieght player gets cut,everyone wants him signed.

j/c oshinawo or however you spell it (i'm too lazy to copy/paste and don't care to) is too small to be a NT, period. In a 3-4 he may be better at DE as a run-stopper. Guys that play DT in a 4-3 and have good size AND athletism OR are are solid run stoppers make good DE's in the 3-4. In our 3 drafts Phil's only weakness has been the DL for our unit. Next year it is almost certain we will draft someone for the line with our first pick (wherever it may fall) until then we just need to sign the big run pluggers when we can. not saying adams or anyone else would be the savior but why not bring some DT's into camp and see who's in good shape and can occupy blockers? don't really cost all that much for camp fodder

oops, made a mistake, savage's other mistake in the drafts has been a few (imho) picks where he was choosing need (but having no depth forces this) instead of picking the sleepers which are there that we all know once we get this ball rolling will make us a great team (oops blind homerism to some- sorry for that) on day 2 of the draft

Just say no to Sam, unless you want to dump Ted.

I am a bit frustrated by Browns fans that want to go out and get every FA that may have an ounce or 2 of gas left in the tank, and discard all of the prior draft choices or FA's (less than 3 years) that still have a chance to develop.

Case in point Fraser. First year... not so good, but there was hope. Second year a nice improvement... Who knows about this year.

Believe it or not, most late round draft choices take a 2 to 3 years to develop, but can be good productive players in NFL. The saying is you get better or you are gone in 3 years.

Will Baba or Harris be this years Fraser? Who knows?

But all I do know is that Sam may last a year or 2, and that would take up a roster spot of someone that could have a better future.

Hope you have a good retirement Mr Adams.....no need for you here at this point in time.

I have to agree with you Charger. We really need to be patient with some of these projects.

Also, Sam Adams has never played in a 3-4 during his NFL career. A 3-4 NT needs a different attitude than a 4-3 DT.

Just say no to Sam, unless you want to dump Ted.
Why? Just state why ....

am a bit frustrated by Browns fans that want to go out and get every FA that may have an ounce or 2 of gas left in the tank, and discard all of the prior draft choices or FA's (less than 3 years) that still have a chance to develop.

You're exaggerrating..
Let me show you something..
First last year the Browns could not prevent anyone from running up the gut or outside ..period..
A 34 is effective if your middle is solid ..from NT/MLB/SS..
While some say Ted held his own , I don't feel he did all that much..and when ANY BACKUP came in they just shoved backward...

This year Phil grabbed Shaun Smith from Cincy who may or may not be the physical presense we need..the only other big body is Parker who played somewhat better but not great..

Osh isn't strong enough to play NT yet and really is a project who seems to fit better at DE than NT..
U mention Frasier but he's brought in to play nose on passing downs but he primarily plays DE ..so he's out of the equation in my book..plus he's not STRONG but has a good motor..

I have no problem if Phil brings in Adams for one year..it makes that roation even better, SA is 5 years younger than Ted and has just as much experience in a 34 AS ANYONE..

REGARDING all the youngsters, they aren't all going to make the team..in a 34 U keep 6 linemen anyway..as I always say about any position, you bring in as many bodies as you can and let them fight it out..U keep the best ones and jettison the bums..

I expected to open this and hear the Bengals stopped serving Sam Adams to their players at practice.

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o.k. everyone, pick your 6.

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Robaire Smith
Shawn Smith
Simon Fraser
Orien Harris
Ethan Kelly
Babatunde Oshinowo
J'Vonne Parker
Chase Pittman
Melola Purcell
Orpheus Roye
Alvin Smith
Ted Washington
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Sam Adams????

Like I said bring him, in let all fight it out ,and keep the best.of course a few will go to the PS..but likely they may either be brought up, have another team sign one away or Phil plucks another one he likes better.

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I'll leave that to the people who get paid to do that.

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Well, that attitude will kill just about every thread