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Coach killer or not, things could have been handled better by all involved parties.

Back in the day I read an article by a Cleveland sports writer who called Bernie a coach killer. I didn't know what it meant regarding Bernie back then and am not sure I know now.

I've since tried, unsuccessfully, to find that article several times.

I want to see RG3 in Chips offense.

Perhaps because it wasn't an article???? I remember one of the KNR guys.........Kenny Roda or Peter Brown...I didn't listen much, but this guy typically dissed the Browns. Whoever it was was interviewing a former great coach or GM and the radio personality dissed Kosar. The NFL guy said: "Yeah, Kosar is really overrated by the fans and local media." The radio guy was a bit taken aback and tried to temper the situation, but the NFL guy then says "Kosar is what we in the business call a coach killer."

A coach killer is a player who is adored by many fans and/or media members. If the media adores the guy, the coach is in real trouble if he tries to limit playing time, bench him, cut him, etc. You are in the worst place imaginable if the media and fan base adore a player that you think isn't worthy of starting, playing a lot, or even making the team.

We've seen this all too often in Cleveland w/Bernie, Timid, and BQ. There was a little bit of it w/Weeden, but that was mostly by a small group of vocal fans, but it never escalated to the point where it did w/the other three.

What makes RGIII so dangerous is that he is the owners guy.

It's odd you call him Timid because Couch had plenty of guts.

I think he is was one of the more gutless players I have watched playing qb.

He would duck away at impact. He checked-down way too often because he would not stand in the pocket.

He checked down because he had no frikking talent to throw to (Kevin Johnson was decent but he was a possession receiver) and also because Couch was beaten to a pulp because our OL was an afterthought for our early regime.
He never should have played year 1.
But anyways that's an old debate lol

He checked down because he was terrible at reading coverages and he lost his nerve.

We disagree. No big deal.

Nope it isn't .

I agree with you. A $100 dollar bill doesn't stay in your pocket if you don't have a pocket.

It was an article in the Plain Dealer. I'm pretty sure it was Bud Shaw but it may have been Bill Livingston.

I delivered the Akron Beacon Journal from my car back then. That gave me access to the Plain Dealer and the Canton Repository, (at no cost), every morning as well. I read all three every morning before I started my route.

The remark was almost like an aside in that he didn't elaborate or give his reasons. In fact he may have been quoting someone else.

Thanks for the definition. I always wondered what was meant by that. I guess I could have Googled it but it was long before the internet, (This was late '80s early '90s), and I never thought much about it since then, until just now.

Not sure if there is a google definition. There may be one, but I am just using the one I know from the trade.

Yeah, it's the coaches fault.

Poor RGIII. He didn't do anything wrong and is just a misunderstood, abused professional football player.

And, there's also this....

Lineman Dislike RG3
Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III has reportedly rubbed several of the team's offensive linemen the wrong way.

Griffin sidestepped questions about his role in the offensive line's poor showing against the Detroit Lions during Wednesday's press conference, prompting Jason Reid of ESPN to tweet this:

Really curious to get @thecooleyzone take on Griffin's sidestep in his presser. This is why coaches have told me several O-linemen MORE Don't like him. Winning off the field.



Reid later clarified that reports about offensive linemen disliking Griffin are nothing new, as he has been told this by several Redskins coaches over the years.

Still, with Griffin facing a make-or-break year in 2015, the last thing he and the Redskins need is for him to be making enemies with those paid to protect him.

RGIII is the best QB in the league, he doesn't need an oline.

If I were him I'd do what Pryor did and switch to receiver, he just doesn't seem to have it at QB for the NFL.

There's no way I'd want to rely on him making the cuts and etc needed to run an efficient route on his knees. That's for sure...

Yup. His career would last until the first hit.

I think he probably has another year or two before he'd even think of doing something like that?

That makes no sense. RGIII has had great success as a QB, Pryor has done nothing.

Tongue in cheek?

No. RGIII's rookie season was a great season. Pryor had literally done nothing. Pryor also had issues throwing the ball (accuracy), RGIII has a great arm and accuracy.

I think that RGIII can be rehabilitated in a different situation. Washington is a disaster:



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If I were a team like Denver, Arizona, San Diego, Dallas, Green Bay, or New Orleans I'd be trying to get RGIII on the cheap.

RGIII can do it.

I would grab RG3 on the cheap here too.... when you have two possible QBs you don't have any - so why not get a 3rd.

He needs to sit. Unfortunately he would probably end up playing here.

I'd take a shot on him. He'd be our best QB. It's not like our QB situation would be any worse and it's not like he'd make us any worse than we already will be

Coach killer my azz, Butch, Bruce and Foge didn't need any help, they were killing themselves. The Oline stunk and the only legit receiver was KJ. Couch basically took a beating when not running for his life.

He won ten games as a rookie, he threw 20 TD's and 5 interceptions. A very good season. Hardly the thing ledgends are made of though. Hell, Nick Foles had a better year in 2013 for the Eagles(27TDS 2INTS). Is he the next great thing?
RG3 had one very good year and has sucked ever since. And don't forget, his rookie season Albert Morris studded out at RB. It wasn't JUST the RG3 show. With all the injuries he's looking a lot like a one year wonder. He is way too fragile to play RG3 ball. Unless he can figure out how to play QB from the pocket, he's not long for the league.

I am not saying RGIII is great. I am saying he is better than the crap we are running out there (McCown).

So, there's this....

Who would have thought that there is a more dysfunctional organization?

End game? Per report, RG3 Finished as Starting QB

RG3 Done as Starter?

Is the end of the Robert Griffin III saga in Washington near? An ESPN report suggests it just might be.

According to the report, front office officials and coaches are prepared to move on from Griffin but they are meeting resistance from ownership. There have been trade talks involving Griffin but there has been no interest.

But, in any case, it appears that Griffin’s time as the starting quarterback here is near an end. According to the report, from Adam Schefter and Dianna Russini, there is a “groundswell of support from a strong segment of football people within the organization to change quarterbacks.”

In terms of either trading or releasing Griffin, they are meeting resistance from owner Daniel Snyder. It is uncertain if coach Jay Gruden, general manager Scot McCloughan, and others in the football part of the operation have the authority to remove Griffin from the roster against Snyder’s wishes.

But it is clear that McCloughan and Gruden can start either Kirk Cousins or Colt McCoy over Griffin. Per the report, they are “determined” to do so.

It appears that the end game is in process. Per the report, Gruden and Snyder have made up their minds that they think the team is better off without Griffin. Snyder needs to be convinced that it is the way to go or perhaps Griffin will ride out the season on the bench.

It’s going to be a messy week, folks. Buckle in. But the good news is that this mess could be over in a week or so.

trade for RG3 ... who cares? They'll take a 7th rounder. I know we'd eat a lot of money, but I'm tired of having no hope at QB

Knowing how much they mortgaged their future with that pick, do you honestly think they would take a 6th or 7th? No sarcasm, I'm asking....

Two things I would worry about with him:
1. His ability to stay healthy and play smart.
2. His attitude. Can he come in and have a good relationship with guys like Joe T, Mack, etc?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13546500/washington-redskins-consider-moving-robert-griffin-iii

They tried to ask teams about a trade ... not one bite.

I do worry about that stuff too

Talk about a complete fall from grace if these reports are even half truths. He could go down as a bigger bust than Ryan Leaf with the amount of money they spent on moving up to get him.

Obviously, the word is out to the rest of the league if no one is even interested in kicking the tires....

I don't want this guy. He gets killed every year. He needs to be a backup somewhere.

RGIII needs to go somewhere and sit behind a guy who will not be benched. Cleveland is not the place to do that. I think the perfect spot for him is in Arizona with Bruce Arians.

From the report, it seems that no one is interested. Aside from the injury concerns, that really truly surprises me. However, I don't think he fits into the fold here...

When no one is interested in a trade, that just means they think he will be cut.