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lol faculty restrooms are not as serious as you're making them. Neither are restrooms for that matter.

No I wouldn't. A lot of religions do a lot of things I find weird. Man, it's a restroom. If God said this kid wasn't allowed to pee in urinals, then don't make him. In the end does it really matter? Besides the couches, don't the women's room have stalls? Isn't that more privacy for everyone?

Yeah, I was pointing out how little twitter actually means and though people blow things out of proportion, when they're that ridiculous they don't stick.

jc

This is Lila Perry:



http://www.aol.com/article/2015/09/01/15...stude/21230181/

Still 100% male physically:



The school seems to have handled this very reasonably. This is actually even more ridiculous than I had thought.

Here are my thoughts. At the end of the day this doesn't matter. The girl should be allowed to use the girls' room. Man, make them sign something so the school can cover their own ass. The girl just wants to spend some time chatting as well. That said, the school should not let her change in it though. Just let her use the faculty bathroom to change.

I mean, this is about someone trying to go to a bathroom. And considering we're all guys, who am I to tell someone where they can or can't go considering I was just peeing on the side of a house this weekend. Ya know?

With that hair it looks like it's at the beginning stages of being a Rastafarian.

But you said you agreed with the one person who would not let their daughter use the mens room, even if she identified as a boy, for fear of rape.


I guess that's why I'm lost on your opinion.

Parents protest gender-neutral restrooms at schools Tue, Sep 01 2015, 03:38 PM EDT

Sometimes literate means reading more and talking less, unless you want me to accept that reading more is a lie also.

I said it was a good reason. Not that I agreed with it entirely. I'm pretty good on letting his daughter to decide. I'm not really in the business of telling kids where to pee.

The OP makes mention of this issue coming to a head because he was using the girls' room for phys. ed. class. Gym classes involve changing, or at least they did when I went to middle school and high school.

The OP also mentions it more explicitly:

Which is exactly why I wanted to make that point clear

Gotcha.

And while the Daughter identifying as a boy getting raped in the men's room is probably low probability, harassed yes, raped probably not a common occurrence.

It is no more far fetched than a sicko identifying as a women, to prey on women in the ladies room.

This is where I see the biggest issue, is determining who is truly transgender and who is an opportunist. As rare as the case may be, we have seen in our society, that it only takes one occurrence to create a firestorm.

I'd argue that this is a cultural problem and how we see danger. If someone is going to sexually assault someone in the bathroom then they'll probably do it no matter what. If one person wants to dress in drag to sexually assault someone, then they were going to do it no matter what... I'd assume. And I hope, if that person were to do it, that a guard would let it slip to an inmate about this incident.

...the propensity for teenagers to make impulsive decisions and having sexual identity issues be damned. Whack that sucker off!

Personally I don't look at this as a religious thing, I'm not religious, and even the religious people here aren't invoking the Bible or Jesus. They actually have sound, logical reasons that I happen to agree with.

I think Derrick Good is saying that he wants everybody to use the bathroom that corresponds to their biological sex or a gender-neutral bathroom, as in either is fine. Lila Perry is 100% male physically and wants to use the girls' bathroom and/or locker room. I actually think bringing on a Christian advocacy group does a disservice to their cause, as it brings religion into play where it is simply not needed.

Says who?

I doubt that you're suggesting transgenders just shut up, stop pretending and accept they're only going to be perceived in the way others choose to perceive them.

Because it seems to be the over whelming opinion being posted here and I do believe people have a right to those opinions, but I disagree with them.

The issue has also become "My girls are in danger!"

My point is; How legitimate is the reaction to transgenders (real or imagined) when these same people are relatively quiet about girls and women who are subjected to REAL danger?

Yea, I did use the hyperbole, "take to the streets", but where is ANY stated concern, gathering or attention of any kind from these people other than this specific issue?

I've been accused of dodging, but I'm write/right on point by criticizing the credibility of this outrage.

And you probably stated it better that I did, because I would be part of that disservice.

You have got to be kidding...

her parents failed....him? her?

not because of the transgender, but because her front teeth look like they folding up. take her to the dentist.

So one only needs to throw on a wig to get into the ladies room?

Heh heh heh. Neehaha. Heh heh.

I think that isn't the issue. I wouldn't care about a special restroom or two being made to accommodate transgenders. I don't even mind a special changing room.

I do draw the line at a penis being presented to my daughters against her will, or hell even with it. These schools forcing the girls into such a situation is just wrong. God forbid the boy is faking it just to be a pervert and yes I believe some crazy boys would do just that. It'd be lame and stupid but somewhere it's going to happen because boys are stupid sometimes.

To me, encouraging a transgender NOT to accept that their physical bodies are their real bodies, actually harms them. Let them like what they like but the reality is they are what they were created to be even if they don't like it. IMHO.

If a male goes around flashing his penis to women in public it is considered public indecency and is a crime. Making a school policy to force it to happen in a girl's locker room somehow makes sense? Of course not!

The issue is not the rights of the transgender but the fact that all those other girls are having their rights thrown out the door. If someone has to suffer its should not be the actual girls but the one boy who wishes he was a girl. Right is right and I hope the parents of all those girls fight to protect them from this kind of abuse and mistreatment.

Coming Soon, to a gender neutral bathroom near you.

Hey, that's how most of the Planet takes a dump you know!

God bless America.

ahhh, middle eastern toilets.

don't miss those. at. all. one time i had to poop really bad before a mission down range. i had bad aim and leaned a little, and some of it got on my boot.

Oh I thought we were using articles already posted in this thread, not posting random articles from the corners of the internet consisting of less than 150 words...good job learning to use the Google though. At least you know how to read a headline.

How about from the article your buddy PitDAWG posted about the Troy situation:


They couldn't possibly be protesting that part of the ruling, could they? Like I said, learn how to read. You are illiterate.


There's your voter-base Hillary; pander to it!

No one has given one good, logically argument as to why someone with a penis should be able to use the women's locker room when a gender-neutral locker room is available to them. Why? Why do they NEED to use the locker room of the opposite-sex? The is no logical arguement. The pros far out-weigh the cons.

Until someone answers this, the whole argument is BS.

Is anyone arguing against it? She also dropped out of gym class and there is literally no argument in this either on here or in real life. So yes, it is BS.

Not following you at all. People are arguing that he should be able to use the ladies room and others are saying he shouldn't. No one's able to say why he needs to. What does the boy dropping out of gym class have to do with it?

There's a difference between restroom and locker room. No one is arguing that she should be allowed to use the locker room. And no one has posted a logical argument why she shouldn't be able to use the ladies room.

I also said that the argument is BS because it doesn't exist anymore. She dropped out of gym class and won't be using the locker room anymore.

Abortion often does harm to the woman as well as her child. (emotionally and physically) I'll leave that alone for now.

Just because I happen to think that a young girl should not be changing in a locker rook with a boy who thinks he s a girl does not mean that I am somehow against helping victims of abuse. That is absolutely ridiculous, and really has no connection.

I am against having young girls having to change their clothes, and/or shower, with a person who is physically a member of the opposite gender.

I am also against violence against women, and abuse of anyone.

There is no need for anyone to be either/or.

I also want to add one thing .....

A "sex change" operation really does no such thing. It changes a penis into a reasonable facsimile of a vagina, or visa versa .... but the person is still genetically the gender they were born to be. They can be pumped full of hormones, but they are still, genetically, the gender they were born to be. That will, and can, never change. (no matter how much the body can be surgically altered/mutilated)

And lipstick. Don't forget the lipstick.

I'm sure everyone is against abuse.

The question is why does a kid who holds little if no threat to a girl, at least those who have a backbone, create so much concern when compared to actual emotional and physical threats that happen with disturbing regularity?

I've read more opinions about how threatening this kid is than any about the real issue of threat to women. Some have said it's an issue of propriety or bad manners. To me this has zero to do with protecting girls.

The thread should have the title, "So guys, what do you think of transgenders?". Then most of these responses would make sense, but to wrap it up in bogus concern for girls is laughable.

If you're afraid or even just concerned about a girl encountering a transgender then be terrified of sending them out into the real world.

In the mean time just be honest and distracted by stating opinions about transgenders.

The issue is, and some have called this a lie, is now there are people who don't even want schools to provide gender neutral bathroom.

Really.

That's no BS.

You say "transgenders", like it's a real gender. What chromosome pair is it a transgender is born with?

We have XY for men and XX for women. Is a transgender XXX?

J/c

I don't think this is a ploy to get inside the adolescent knickers of Americas darling buds; these folk exist and know what and who they are usually from a real young age. Can only imagine how tormented they are, I'd figure the self harm and suicide rates are probably in a higher demographic.
This age and that environment is hard enough, she's not doing it easy is she? I'd figure the girls are safe enough, I might have missed it but I'd tip she likes boys.
The real threat (certainly from environments I've known) is if she is forced to go into the boys restrooms. That could be merciless. If we were really concerned about abuse I reckon this individual lives it every day. You can say one thing (with a straight face too!) she's got balls!

Oops. Didn't catch that.

While I agree with everything else you said, I feel that this line of thinking is just as dangerous as thinking the transgendered person would be "okay" to use the men's locker room.

I have a daughter (albeit 3 months old), but would I eventually feel comfortable with her sharing a locker room with a genetic male? Absolutely not. I think that's instinctual more than cultural.