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bad. very bad.

If Phil signs with another team, do we still get compensation in the draft? Or is that just relegated for free agents?

Nope. Free agents only.

It is the same reason we signed Bowe, Hartline, Starks, McCown etc.

i went back and read what i wrote. i have no idea where you could come up with this. " But I have no clue to what point you are trying to make except somehow I don't know what I'm talking about?"

i am baffled how anyone. anyone could be insulted by me pointing out that i and spirit and some other posters saw that we were playing 4/3 in the 3rd preseason game.

and then the tackle thing? just pointed out taylor and rubin were on the field alot when taylor was healthy last year. that we really dont play the base 3/4 that much.

Name the fifteen touchdown, 90 catch receiver on the team? If we had an decent QB, name ONE WR that could help him elevate his game? His version of AJ Green? Obviously, finding a Jerry Rice kind of player is a once in a generation event. But finding quality talent at the position should be a goal. Scoring is HUGE in the modern NFL where hitting is virtually outlawed. Receivers used to fear going over the middle. Now? If you hit one they will fine heavily for it.

Three positions score touchdowns. WR, RB, and TE. And yes, you do need a QB to get them the ball. That QB also needs tools to work with. Guys that can turn a five yard pass into a 30 yard gain. We didin't try to do either this year. Passed on QB and WR in the draft. Signed FA WR's. Hartline was an excellent signing from all indications. Bowe was a huge gamble. Guy has been hurt a lot the last few years. Comes as no surprise at all he's been hurt all camp. So he has zero chemistry with any of the QB's. Wasted year for him if we keep him. Will take half the season for him to click with anyone.

The worst part is we passed on Watkins for DILBERT. We've had four first round picks the last two drafts. ONE of them will be starting for us against the Jets. ONE out of FOUR. I presume Shelton will be starting. I know the other three won't be. Oh, and then there is Mingo...... Man we HAVE to start drafting better. HAVE to.

Oh no, someone is going to say Terrelle Pryor!

In reality Taylor Gabriel is our receiver with the most upside. If he had a competent QB he could be Emmanuel Sanders.

hey what's hartline and Bowe's 40 time?

i know they're suppose to be #1 and #2. i dunno if any of them are considered burners.

The only problem with your logic is that Alex Smith threw ZERO TD's to any WR last year. The QB has to throw the ball to WR's in position to score at some point.

So all of this conjecture a pure chicken or egg question.

Not going to go thru a dozen pages of threadi if it's been covered but do you think they tried to trade him? My god you'd think they could get a freakin' 7th for him, no? How about trying negotiate a buy out? It just seems like epic wastefulness considering it's my impression he has some value in the league.

Whatever Pluto says the optics on this actually kind of stink.

How come Bowe has only been good one year out of his whole career?

well he never had a pinpoint accurate QB like mccown throwing to him and ofcourse he never played with a O-LINE like this either!!!!!!

How long has Alex Smith been there? I believe a game manager QB who throws a lot to TE's and a strong run game tend to decrease the odds of a WR putting up good stats.

When Smith hit the FA market I wanted him. He was MUCH better than anything we had and still have to this point.

But the fact is I knew he was a dinker and dunker that wouldn't put up a ton of yards or create huge WR stats.

This is Smith's third year in Kansas City. Bowe has been in the league since 2007 and has had one outstanding year (2010). Other than that he has been pretty average. How many receivers have their second best season in their age 31 season? That's pretty much what Bowe is being expected to do.

i believe he'll have a hard time putting up 600 yards. one from his own doing, and the fact that i feel we're gonna be starting different QB's yet again.


might as well start taking bets for our Browns Christmas Tradition, when the 3rd stringer starts the last game of the season. Who's it gonna be?

I know this discussion has been about Bowe, but Pryor is the guy I'm interested in. Hard to say if he will make it, but I like the kid. Everytime I watch one of his pressers, I'm impressed with the kid. He seems well grounded and motivated. I know potential gets you nothing, but he is an intriguing athlete.

+1, he has more potential than Mayle AND he's only 2yrs older....he's more of a physical player than Mayle too....GO Browns!!!!

Seriously? How does this even make sense?

This is just a guess, but his knee might be really screwed up. Its possible he couldn't even pass a physical if traded. Makes me wonder if he had a microfracture surgery.

It will be interesting to see just how effective he is if he is picked up by another team. All I know is our run defense has generally sucked. And Taylor was a part of it. So maybe the coaches see something in the other players and decided to go that route.

Too bad we couldn't have reworked his contract with some sort of offset language. After all, it sounds like Taylor asked for his release. Could have said we'll release you, but add the offset. Browns are on the hook for his entire salary this year.

It'll be particularly humiliating if he plays for a division rival while cashing Browns checks.

The Steelers came away from Wednesday's visit with Phil Taylor "not interested" in signing the free agent nose tackle.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports Taylor's knee "needs (to be) fixed" and would take "too long to heal" for the Steelers to wait out Taylor's recovery. Taylor had his knee scoped in the offseason, but there were rumors he might need a microfracture procedure. At very least, he needs another surgery.

Source: Gerry Dulac on Twitter Sep 2 - 10:40 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football

Name the fifteen touchdown, 90 catch receiver on the team? If we had an decent QB, name ONE WR that could help him elevate his game?

Name one on the 2 Super Bowl teams last year? Our WR's are not the problem.

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Looks like we know why Taylor was released.

Now it makes sense.

We had a large number of defensive tackles and far fewer defensive end candidates. We needed the roster spot. I have the impression Taylors knee is either screwed or will take some considerable time before it isn't. Frankly, he was obsolete the minute they drafted Shelton. No big deal. I liked Phil. I thought they played him out of position last year at DE. He's an interior lineman. Not a damned end! It's a shame he's been hurt this camp. I would have liked to see Taylor and Shelton lined up inside.Those two behemoths side by side? Hilarious if nothing else lol Sheard might have looked decent in this 4-3..... But it is what it is. Pettine will keep the guys he wants to go to war with and then we shall see.... If they win, who cares what particular players occupy the uniforms? If they lose? Well.... Pettine and Farmer won't be around long in that case....

Good luck Phil Taylor! I loved when you crushed tiny ben and cost the squealers a playoff birth a few years back. That was sweet!

Yeah you're right. Our WR's are SO good. Why. there's no reason we won't score 40 passing touchdowns this year. LMAO

Ha,, might be as simple as this as to why the Browns dumped him.

Hate to see the big guy go out like this but hopefully he can get his knee taken care of and can get back to the field.

Mac, I think Pet said something similar as well. I believe we would have put him on IR but he wanted the settlement so he would have a chance to play for someone this year. It is hard to say whether it is even worth having the microfracture surgery that is probably required to get him back on the field.

when you need a 3rd surgery in less than a year, it is probably time to consider retirement.

That's not promising for Phil... Steelers could use all the big men up front they can get.

Not promising at all,,,, But let's not feel to sorry for him, I mean he's getting paid very well to sit.

More on Phil Taylor....

Phil Taylor’s knee kept Steelers from signing him

It was a bit surprising to see the Cleveland Browns cut Phil Taylor knowing that they would have to pay him anyway. Speculation among Browns fans was that the team just thought one of the younger guys could help them. After the defensive tackle visited the Pittsburgh Steelers, who decided not to sign him, we might know a bit more as to why the Browns were so convinced. Phil Taylor’s knee is apparently a pretty big concern.

The Steelers are not interested in signing former Cleveland Browns nose tackle Phil Taylor because he has a bad knee that will require surgery, a source told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Taylor, a former No. 1 draft choice in 2011 who played at Penn State and Baylor, visited the Steelers’ South Side facility Wednesday, just one day after being released by the Browns. However, the Steelers discovered his knee would take too long to heal and he could not help the team anytime soon.
It’s all too bad, really. It’s too bad for Phil Taylor, who is a popular player in Cleveland. If all that is true and Phil Taylor’s knee is still a question mark or an issue, here’s hoping it gets healthy enough for him to eventually be the monster in the middle of the defensive line that everyone knows he can be when healthy.

Article

They aren't great, they are good enough. Our QB isn't. You guys expect Pro-Bowlers at every position. That isn't gonna happen. This teams identity is a smothering defense and a grind it out offense. You don't need to line up 5 Jerry Rice's for that type of Offense. I think Hartline, Hawkins, Gabriel, and Benjamin are fine for what we need. Pryor might wind up being a bonus.

One thing I want to say on the "entitlement" issue is that when you have a complete coaching turnover every year or two, it is very hard to break the cycle. It makes it hard for a coach to call out players when the player knows he has a big contract and the coach is likely gone after 1 year.

Breaking the cycle of accepting mediocrity was Banner's #1 priority. It isnt easy. I feel this coaching staff really needs a long term commitment from the owner or we are gonna be back here once again.

Absolutely need continuity, but so far this staff has gone a looong way toward establishing a new culture in the locker room; one of hard work, no entitlement, and reward based on performance. They've cut lazy, entitled or locker room disrupting players and have benched anyone who doesn't demonstrate a proper work ethic, regardless of where they were drafted or the size of their contract. This is most refreshing, but most of all, it's working.

I will say the many regimes we've had since 99, the vast majority of regimes tried to bring a winner here. Holmgren was a disappointment because imo he wanted to pad his retirement fund, and seemed lazy.

Botch and Mangini couldn't draft (too many head scratchers , and not just with 20/20 hindsight), but I believe they all wanted the Browns to win.

Not to nit pick, tab, but we need to see a helluva lot more from this kid before we'll be able to determine how good or bad he looks... as of right now, with limited playing time and no real performances beyond poor against real team defenses, he doesn't look like anything more than a fourth round back up with some potential.

as of right now, with limited playing time and no real performances beyond poor against real team defenses, he doesn't look like anything more than a fourth round back up with some potential.

What happened to your comment just before the above

tab, but we need to see a helluva lot more from this kid before we'll be able to determine how good or bad he looks

Also just what means as of now to you...cause your as of now simply takes into accord lasts years One game and a quarter - none of the Bills 8 minutes. None of this seasons practices and camps observations and the two Preseason games he was involved with.

Cause for me "AS OF NOW" has nothing to do with last season. As of now is post REHAB and the new Manziel.
But the body of work that he has shown in 2015 as a 22 year old give ME a lot of hope that he could be that guy.

jmho

Fair assessment, cal.