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I already showed you that the people at Troy weren't protesting gender-neutral bathrooms; the were protesting the school's decision to let transgenders use the opposite sex's bathroom. If you can't understand that, I will continue to call you illiterate.

The only people against gender-neutral bathrooms are transgenders and their supporters.

No, you are the one confusing and complicating the issue by bringing up rape and abortion; this is a common debating tactic used by people who are losing an argument call "deflecting." You use this technique all the time.

This issue is 100% about transgenders and locker rooms. If you are confused about me using the word penis, let me say it this way: why does a transgenders NEED to use the locker room or bathroom of the opposite sex?

I don't disagree with you, just pointing out there are a multitude of reasons that gender males and gender females should use their designated restrooms. Until such day that those restrooms are open spaces and only the stalls are private and unisex.

Ahh, it's spreading.

This picture was taken by a friend of mine who was in China at the time.

LOL. Great point.

I have noticed that a lot of people who bring up "rights" are only talking about their rights, and not those of others

I have noticed many more unisex and/or family restrooms popping up in recent years.

If you've ever been a dad taking your young daughter into a men's bathroom to pee, you'd know why. I don't know how single parents make it when it comes to things like that.

What I want to know is when are they going to make those changing stations larger? I'm scared when I get old and need adult diapers, that little table is not going to hold me.

Oh come on already, they work fine! Just lift your left leg up onto the table...WHAT AM I SAYING?

Nevermind.

Right, because this is probably never going to come up again... what if the next time the kid is actually an athlete and wants to take gym? Play boys or girls soccer? Boys or girls basketball? Where would they change?

This issue is going to get much more complicated before it gets any better.

Who are you to decide how much of ta threat a male is to another person's daughter, changing in the same locker room, showering in the same shower, or using the same bathrooms?

This is how you sound; "I know better, and besides, there's really little or no danger to your daughter" ......

Well, any danger there is can be completely eliminated by just having this person use a separate facility.

Nothing else really matters. No other issues ..... no other concerns ..... just this .... that the girls can be kept safe, and can avoid being exposed to male genitalia against the wishes of their parents. That's it. I understand the position of the boy who thinks that he is a girl .... but when there is a conflict between the rights of one person, and the rights of the entire rest of the female population of the school, and when accommodations can easily be made for this boy who dresses like a girl, then that should be acceptable, and preferable as opposed to moving him onto the girl's restrooms and locker room.

But most, if not all of us on this thread have said that this solution is preferable to allowing a boy to shower with the girls. The boy does not want this solution though, he wants to be able to shower with the girls. He even quit gym class, according to the article, because he could not shower and change with the girls, when other accommodations were made available.

I mean, there's really nothing stopping a man from walking into a woman's bathroom and sexually assaulting them. To think that one would pretend to be trans to perv on girls is a much more outrageous claim.

I think that it's common sense.

About 80% of gender dysphoria sufferers outgrow it by the end of puberty. Due to that fact alone, those people with that problem should not be accommodated in a way that supports their mental illness.

And that's the funny thing about all of this. I'd bet money most if not all people on this board who would uphold this, either do not have children at all or at least, certainly don't have a daughter. Wait until they have a daughter that starts going to school. I'd bet a lot of money that once that paternal instinct kicks in, a LOT of such views will change.

What is the visible difference between a tranny and a cross dresser?

Heck, we recently had 2 men dress as women nurses with wigs to rob a bank.

j/c

So, the guy "identifies" as female, even though he isn't.

I heard the guy said, about the bathroom situation, that he felt intimidated in the boys room, and he didn't like the idea of being segregated to a gender neutral bathroom.

The guy has rights, for sure, but this isn't about "rights" (after all, the school has boys bathrooms he can use, and even went so far as to offer a gender neutral bathroom for him)

No, it's not about "rights", it's about him feeling intimidated, or segregated.

What about the females at the school? What about their feelings? Why does one guy's feelings trump theirs?

Believe it or not... being in Thailand for a few years taught me a thing or two about trans

In their schools: The future ladyboys were not allowed to crossdress and were treated as boys by the administration. However, in class the students were permitted to be open about their personality. ha... I remember one student my friend was telling me about going "Teacher aren't I beauutiful"? A little obnoxious fat thai boy, it made him cringe and try to not get fired at the same time saying "No...." All of the students accepted these kids as ladyboys, but it was okay they weren't treated that way by the administration. Not all the kids were okay with ladyboys, this kid in particular was obnoxious, but they all accepted it as a thing.

The great question to me with trans really came from my time in Thailand. They really do not have gay males in thailand in the way we do. The vast majority of gay men become ladyboys, and consider it being trans. So to me.....atleast in Thailand, either their genetics are completely freaky, or trans was a cultural phenomenon. And my question was to figure out how many trans people are culturally, psychologically, or biologically trans.

Trans will fall among obvious political lines. I don't want to hammer out a long political rant here...heres a shorty: The left will go : Bend over backwards for a perceived minority whitey. The right will go: I want my kids to live within my culture and things I believe are safe and healthy for them. The left: There is nothing wrong with being trans you need to be more tolerant. The right: I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it (though I might believe there to be), I just think it can effect my child negatively to be exposed to it. The left: You're a jerk. The right: You're a jerk.

But seriously, if this story weren't about a transgender do you honestly think the media would have covered at all?

No wonder they're trying to keep all the trans fats out of our food!

Did they use pink Glocks?

No but with their infinite intelligence, they hopped on kids bicycles for their get-away and rode across the street to the low-income housing project, where they were caught 2 hours after the robbery.

It's a shame that we allow trans people to use banks. If we didn't this crime would have never occurred.

Yep, at least you worked up the courage to admit it was 100% about transgenders. I knew you were able. I was just wondering when you'd admit it.

The discussion in this thread gives a strong suggestion that this kid represents the entire transgender issue. Most of the comments here are based on whether or not this kid and therefore any other kid with this issue should even be taken seriously. Then it's been presented that it's a threat to civility and girls.

Read the thread.

Discuss the whole issue, then discuss restrooms and the threat to girls. It's easier to discuss opinions when they're not based on simplicity. I imagine you'll disagree that this isn't a simple issue.

Threats to girls are important, but if that's the real issue then talk about threats to girls.

As far as penises go, not literally, I'll let you work out your own issues.

The guy was offered a solution. He refused it. Even though he's a guy, he wants to use the women's restroom because his poor feelings got hurt about "being segregated" to use the restroom.

Not segregated in classes. Not segregated in anything other than the bathroom.

Geez, go in the gender neutral bathroom and pee!!!

What about the girls in the school that would feel intimidated having a penis in their bathroom? That doesn't matter? It's all about him?

We are a Nation where the Minority dominates the Majority.
Finding that doesn't work either.

Wow, you refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Girls in the locker room are changing clothes. It's an open area and not in individual stalls. This BOY takes off his clothes to change so OF COURSE he will be flashing his junk at all the girls. Are you just devoid of situation content or something? I mean seriously dude quit trolling.

There is very much the issue of protecting the girls innocence and not FORCING them to view male sexual anatomy. In almost any other country putting a room full of young women into a room and forcing them to undress in front of a boy would be considered sexual abuse. I'm so glad you're happy to FORCE this behavior onto these poor girls!

Then you want to go off this discussion by saying this form of abuse is not bad enough and that it's just whining to want to protect our girls from this form of abuse and somehow, in some wild imagination of yours, that since we are against the abuse of girls that we are somehow OK with the abuse to women. Has your brain been just totally fried? Does that make any logical sense AT ALL?! If I am against abusing these poor girls then LOGIC states that I would also be against abuse against women. I mean come on man stop being ridiculous.

That's not what this is about. It's about the locker room specifically. She is allowed into the bathroom and students don't seem to mind.

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First of all, he's a he. He's not a her.

Secondly, I thought the whole deal was about which restroom he used. I was under the impression locker room wasn't even involved.

I don't care how he "identifies". He's a he.

First, I'll respect her and call her whatever she wants to be called.

Secondly, I guess you were wrong. Shock ing.

What if she wants to be called "CHS's boy toy"?

I'm happy with my opinion.

My statement about the girls in that school stands. I think they're emotionally and mentally strong enough to handle the situation and its solution. I don't recall ever saying they should be forced.

My point about these girls - that is directly related to this post - is this bogus sincerity of the people who are speaking out to defend them against this kid. My point has always been, if people really want to speak out to defend girls they've had the opportunity to speak out against violence against girls, but they've been silent until now.

This issue is about transgenders and only about transgenders otherwise we would have always been addressing safety for girls.

Did ANY of these people show up at the prep school trial where the boy was convicted of sexually attacking a girl because it was part of a freaking ritual!?!? This was on the news everyday, but apparently showing junk is way more harmful than an actual attack. Even when the 3 kidnapped girls in Cleveland were rescued there was little discussion about solving the regular daily danger girls endure.

How about the OSU band's ritual of forcing members to march in their underwear. Shoot people were even speaking in defense of the band director they claim knew nothing about it.

It would be more than awesome to see some threads addressing how to keep our girls safe. I'm doubting we'd need even one hand to count the number of those, but put a transgender in the mix and suddenly everybody's concerned about girls. Heck, there are lot of statements made about how girls are responsible for guys attacking them because of the way they dress.

Prove your concern by posting about the regular abuse girls are put through on a daily basis.

Then have an entirely separate and honest thread about transgenders and which bathroom they should use, because this thread shows a majority of responses are focused on the kid and not concern for the girls.

You're really grasping for straws at this point.

There has been a multitude of posts about girl safety. This is not only about transgendered persons. In this case, it's about a transgendered person and girls in school. Why? Because we're talking about the conflict what his desired rights are vs the rights already in place for females.

You then go into completely unrelated points by attempting to show people are not concerned about women's safety because they did not take enough action in unrelated incidents. I'm not aware of anyone on here who would have actually condoned one of those incidents.

In your very own reply to this situation, however, you said "I think they're emotionally and mentally strong enough to handle the situation and its solution." So, dads should just tell their daughters, "It's okay, honey, I think you're mentally and emotionally tough enough to stand being uncomfortable changing in the same locker room with a male. It's the solution after all."

Students don't always get to make those decisions for themselves. When I was in school a lot of students wouldn't have minded if other students were smoking in class, doesn't mean they get to.

And even if the other girls don't care, all it takes is one girl or one parent to oppose, to create legal hassles for a school district.

And sadly, that is the basis of most decisions by institutions today, "what the likely hood of litigious repercussion there could be"

Your 1st sentence is absolutely true ..... so it makes sense that we not allow any man into a womens facility under any circumstance. We should do our best to provide as much of a security factor as possible for women.

It is true in a technical view, but from a realistic view, in a public situation, a man walking into a woman's room is cause to alert someone. Change that scenario where it is a typical everyday thing, and no one pays any attention to it anymore.

Good point.

What is to stop a man who is heavy enough to have "man boobs", and who dresses in jeans and a t-shirt ...... like some women do ...... and who wears long hair .... like some guys do .... well, what is to stop such a man from getting his jollies by claiming that he is really a woman .. and needs to use to women's restrooms .... or maybe even the locker room and shower in a health club?

I haven't read anyone pointing out the liability to the kid.

If he is alone in a girls bathroom and a girl enters and runs out
screaming that he touched her with it or rubbed against her, He
will be the one who is screwed. He/she's word against hers is a
losing proposition for him. Human nature.

What do you mean? How many times have you entered a restroom and no one was around or there? We need to increase all woman's restrooms! I think you should have to submit yourself to a strip search before you enter a bathroom. We have to keep our girls' safe!