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Bademosi has played a respectable game or 2 at CB though. (stretches, not whole games) He;s not a starter, but he's the kind of guy who can be put in and be useful, if not exceptional. he's not going to take on the other team's #1 ..... but their 3 or 4 .... I think that he can, and has, handled that.

There is no way we go into the first game with only six offensive linemen.

I am going guess that we will change 3 or 4 players on this roster before Game 1.

thats probably why Pryor made the squad.

since it seems like we lack playmakers on offense, it makes since to keep the most physically gifted player on the 53 man roster.

Why? You will only ever carry 7 on the game day roster anyway. Erving can play inside and out. Ideally you would want at least 7 but it isnt a major issue. couple practice squad guys will do fine. Call one up if u need him.

Erving is an interior lineman. Hopefully he won't have to play outside for you to see it first hand.

thanks. i was thinking about that myself.

Because if two offensive linemen go down we are screwed. It is not likely, but it is something we need to be prepared for.

Some might say, "What if three linemen get hurt?"

It is not likely that two offensive linemen get hurt, it is even less likely for three to get hurt. If three get hurt, you are cursed by God.

This is a moot point, there will be seven offensive linemen on the 53 man roster one week from today.

Cleveland Browns have Terry Talkin' about how 34-of-53 players on roster have been brought in by Ray Farmer since 2014 -- Terry Pluto (photos)

Q: Do you think someone will sign Lenz?

A: It's possible. But the 6-foot receiver was underrated out of Iowa State in 2013. He has been on the practice squads of Seattle, Chicago and Indianapolis. He has never appeared in an NFL regular season game. My guess is the Browns believe if they have a need to bring Lenz back, he will be available. That would not be the case with Pryor.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/09/cleveland_browns_have_terry_ta_21.html

Mike Pettine analyzes Cleveland Browns 53-man roster

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Browns coach feels good about depth, roster still fluid

The Browns on Saturday took the next big step toward their 2015 season opener against the New York Jets by reducing the roster from 75 players to the NFL-mandated 53.

The Browns terminated the contracts of two veterans: OL Eric Olsen and QB Thaddeus Lewis.

Cleveland waived 20 others: QB Pat Devlin, RB Shaun Draughn, RB Timothy Flanders, WR Darius Jennings, WR Josh Lenz, WR Vince Mayle, OL Andrew McDonald, OL Erle Ladson, OL Vinston Painter, OL Karim Barton, OL Darrian Miller, DL Dylan Wynn, DL Jacobbi McDaniel, LB Mike Reilly, DB Kendall James, DB Robert Nelson, DB Joe Rankin, LB Hayes Pullard, DB De’Ante Saunders and DB Landon Feichter.

“Some of the discussions at the 75 cut were difficult. We knew it was going to be some tough choices that had to be made at the 53. We were right,” Browns coach Mike Pettine said. “There were lengthy discussions. It was not cut and dry. A lot of variables went into it. Still, even now past the deadline, the situation is still very fluid.”

The Browns’ 53-man roster breaks down as follows:

Offense (23)

Quarterbacks (2): Johnny Manziel; Josh McCown; running backs (3): Isaiah Crowell, Terrance West, Duke Johnson Jr.; fullback (1): Malcolm Johnson; wide receivers (7): Travis Benjamin, Dwayne Bowe, Taylor Gabriel, Brian Hartline, Andrew Hawkins, Marlon Moore, Terrelle Pryor; tight ends (4): Gary Barnidge, E.J. Bibbs, Jim Dray, Rob Housler; offensive linemen (6): Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, John Greco, Mitchell Schwartz, Joel Bitonio, Cameron Erving

Defense (27)

Defensive linemen (8): Desmond Bryant, Armonty Bryant, Xavier Cooper, John Hughes III, Danny Shelton, Jamie Meder, Randy Starks, Billy Winn; linebackers (8): Tank Carder, Karlos Dansby, Chris Kirksey, Paul Kruger, Barkevious Mingo, Nate Orchard, Craig Robertson, Scott Solomon; defensive backs (11): Johnson Bademosi, Ibraheim Campbell, Pierre Desir, Charles Gaines, Justin Gilbert, Tashaun Gipson, Joe Haden, Jordan Poyer, K’Waun Williams, Tramon Williams, Donte Whitner.

Specialists (3)

Kicker (1): Travis Coons; punter (1): Andy Lee; long snapper (1): Charley Hughlett.

Areas of note within the 53-man roster:

-- The Browns’ roster boasts seven wide receivers, a two-man jump from the five that were initially kept last season. Three of the seven are new additions to the roster.

“We felt that was a spot we needed to add to and were fortunate in the offseason to be able to take a group we already felt good about in Hawk, Gabe and Travis and add a Dwayne Bowe and a Brian Hartline to that mix,” Pettine said. “It was a group we felt we needed to improve our quality and our depth and we were able to do that.”

-- Bibbs (Iowa State) was the only undrafted rookie to make the 53-man roster. He had an impressive showing at the Browns’ rookie mini-camp and maintained that high level of play throughout OTAs and into training camp to give the Browns no other choice but to keep him on the roster alongside three veteran tight ends.

“That whole group top to bottom did a really good job in camp,” Pettine said. “Brian Angelichio is an outstanding position coach. I think Gary's very underrated as a starting tight end. I think everybody kind of has their own niche as far as what they do well. I like the depth in that room and the diversity of the skill sets.”

-- The Browns defensive line includes two standout rookies in Shelton and Cooper and Meder, a Parma Heights native who saw his first NFL action in last season’s regular season finale at Baltimore. He entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent out of Ashland University.

“That was big with Meder stepping up. That's like found money,” Pettine said. “He’s a guy that was undrafted a year ago that we were able to add mid-season and then for him to step up and have the offseason he had and make a big jump, that was impressive. You add that to our rookie class with Danny and Xavier and then add veterans like Starks. Desmond had one of his better offseasons -- he seems primed to have a big year -- and the versatility of an Armonty Bryant that can swing back and forth between outside linebacker and defensive line, that gives you more depth there. We feel much better about that room.”

-- One year after keeping 12 defensive backs on the original 53-man roster, Cleveland stuck with 11 it knows it can count upon in a defense that expects to utilize graduate-level concepts under second-year defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil.

“We're always going to start from the back end, especially at the corner spot first and build from the outside in,” Pettine said. “We have a group that we were fortunate to be able to add a quality veteran in Tramon Williams and outside of Gaines, we feel that group is close to being healthy. We like the key veterans and combine it with quality youth. It's another room where we feel like we have a lot of different types of players in that room.”

-- Of the Browns’ 12 picks in the 2015 draft, eight are on the 53-man roster. TE Randall Telfer (USC) and CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (Oregon) were recently placed on the reserve/non-football injury list.

“We knew there were going to be some tough decisions because of the number of guys we brought in,” Pettine said. “I think this draft class will be a cornerstone of hopefully our success moving forward. You start right at the top. We think the world of Danny. Cam's going to be a good player for us for a long time. You can pretty much go right down the list.”

Over the next 24 hours, Cleveland will compose its 10-man practice squad and monitor transactions around the league to insure the team will have its best possible roster next Sunday against the Jets.

“Obviously the roster is still fluid, but I don't see us being extremely active in that market,” Pettine said. “With the depth we were able to bring in and develop, we feel virtually every position we have enough or more than enough NFL quality guys. It's a critical time but I just don't see us being really active.”

I'm only sad about Haynes Pullard really. Lenz showed some stuff but I'm just not sure he's any better than the other guys we have @ WR.

We have no linemen, so I'm sure some people aren't solid locks even thought they made the 53.

J/c

A shame that the hard workers didn't get the just desserts. Hard to buy into the ethos when that happens. Can see the other side of it though. With Bowe on the hook with that money and Pryors' versatility and both offering size that is much needed in that department you can see the reasoning. Those 2 guys need to deliver. Also, expect to see 2 TE in the offense lots I reckon.

I agree, and I sense that the leaders of the players feel that way as well ... Whitner/Hartline have been overly vocal (more than I've seen our captains be before) about the right guys making the team

I would do the same. He got good reviews in camp, and then got injured. He's getting a shot. Yes, he made the 53 man cut, but this is not the 'FINAL' roster.

Why is that a bad thing?

As a matter of fact, it's Farmer's job.

Pryor is listed at WR, but he's on this roster because he can do things that the other WRs can't do. Lenz doesn't do anything for you that 4 other receivers on this team can't do better -- Pryor does. He's our 3rd string QB (even if not in name), he's going to do some wildcat out of the huddle - he's going to be in charge of the snap on punts (and that makes teams double think how to do punt coverage).

Lenz didn't make this team because Marlon Moore did.

Add in that Lenz isn't going to get picked up, and will be on our Practice squad - Pryor will definitely get picked up.

Pryor would also be a terrific Scout Team QB for Mariota in week 2.

Pryor is not even going to be active for games.

I don't agree... (you might be right week 1, i highly doubt you're right by week 4)

If he can learn all the things you just described by week four, then he is the quickest learner of all time.

He needs to learn to be a better receiver - he already knows how to be a wildcat QB.

So he's like the #6 or #7 WR. At that point you're only going on potential. Why not take the guy with the most upside? What WR did we let go of that is more than potential?

Think of Gordon as a rookie. Raw, really didnt know much about being an NFL receiver but he had big hands and he could run away from people.

How come no one runs the Wildcast anymore?

Has Pryor ever played special teams (like you said he should)? Remember how bad Tebow was on special teams?

I know why Pryor is on the team, he has great athletic ability. I don't expect anything out of him for the entire 2015 season.

Pryor has been practicing and played on the punt team against Chicago.

Great. I hope he progresses. He won't be active for real games.

btw folks I am not saying Pryor is the next gordon but physically they are comparable and both raw as hell. i dont expect much out of him either but if you can get the ball into the big fast guys hands never know.

If Gordon is raw, Pryor is an unborn calf.

This is a huge test for Joker Phillips. I dont know if I expect some success or total failure but I am very intrigued by the experiment.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him dress here or there against teams we feel could be susceptible to gadget plays.

IMO Pryor is going to dress as soon as he's healthy w/the hamstring. Drafting Erving will allow us to keep one less OL ... and we'll need to somehow get rid of one of the TEs to make it possible to play so many WRs

isn't the draft itself based off potential?

Did you see Erving play tackle?

He sucks at tackle but the browns apparently liked him there. Wasting a camp working him out there.

Thanks. I agree with you except for Kitchen over Cooper, although I understand your reasoning.

Our backup OLineman was so bad, heck I would keep the 4 TEs and just let them be a spot tackle if need be...can't be much worse than the turnstiles we had out there

They say he is a willing blocker. Maybe we will start giving him reps along the O-line because we need someone else in that room seeing we only have 6 o-limemen on the roster.

Seriously, how the heck can we go in to games with only 1 back-up for 5 positions?

As for keeping Pryor, I get it, though I feel Lenz earned a spot on the team. I suspect he will make the PS. We saw Pryor at QB in the last game which shows he is the emergency guy. I suspect we will continue to wotk him there a bit in practice, form up a Pryor package of 10 plays with some variations in case we get in to a position we have to put him in the game.