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bleednbrown #994035 09/05/15 05:21 PM
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Nice reward for doing skwat. Next camp, about 82 hammies I expect. That way, no bubble! You are in. Lenz had IT in my opinion.


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Sad to say, I right there with ya superconfused


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I can understand holding onto pryor as your 53 project. Thats what the last position is there for. I think he will really be judged by how Dwayne Bowe performs. That big contract, the fact he and Bowe were friends, Bowe's performance or lack there of are all important things that arent gonna be judged just by fans but by players as well.

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If those top 6 offensive linemen can stay healthy then we may have something, because that's all they kept.
None of the 6 OL they cut today really could stand out, and some have had 3 tries, I think Karim Barton and Andrew McDonald have.


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Originally Posted By: Mourgrym
I can understand holding onto pryor as your 53 project. Thats what the last position is there for. I think he will really be judged by how Dwayne Bowe performs. That big contract, the fact he and Bowe were friends, Bowe's performance or lack there of are all important things that arent gonna be judged just by fans but by players as well.



Yup, and if Bowe shows up this season and plays well, everyone will forget how Lenz should have made the team, and Bowe did nothing in training camp


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Its amazing that we have reached a point where guys like Moore, Bad and Tank are having their spots questioned lol. 4 years ago, guys like Lenz and Pullard would have been starting for us.


Also, we have got to the point talent wise that draft picks are getting cut.


rofl And it only took 16 years!

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I can understand holding onto pryor as your 53 project. Thats what the last position is there for. I think he will really be judged by how Dwayne Bowe performs. That big contract, the fact he and Bowe were friends, Bowe's performance or lack there of are all important things that arent gonna be judged just by fans but by players as well.



Yup, and if Bowe shows up this season and plays well, everyone will forget how Lenz should have made the team, and Bowe did nothing in training camp


That's the 64k dollar question. I gotta take a chill pill cause I'm really upset with this


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Even if Lenz makes the team, he shouldn't play over Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin, or Hartline. I can't get too upset about a guy who wasn't going to play very much get cut.

Also, Lenz didn't get cut because Bowe made the team. Bowe was never going to get cut (as much as we discussed it). Lenz got cut because Pryor made the team.

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Originally Posted By: Day of the Dawg
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Its amazing that we have reached a point where guys like Moore, Bad and Tank are having their spots questioned lol. 4 years ago, guys like Lenz and Pullard would have been starting for us.


Also, we have got to the point talent wise that draft picks are getting cut.


More like we're having bad drafts.

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Yeah your right about that. I was really pulling for the kid. I don't get upset very often, so I'm going to enjoy this little diatribe and hold my breath until I turn blue brownie

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
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Its amazing that we have reached a point where guys like Moore, Bad and Tank are having their spots questioned lol. 4 years ago, guys like Lenz and Pullard would have been starting for us.


Also, we have got to the point talent wise that draft picks are getting cut.


More like we're having bad drafts.


And we have a ton of picks.

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Originally Posted By: Day of the Dawg
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Its amazing that we have reached a point where guys like Moore, Bad and Tank are having their spots questioned lol. 4 years ago, guys like Lenz and Pullard would have been starting for us.


Also, we have got to the point talent wise that draft picks are getting cut.


Not disagreeing with you, but adding to your point. We drafted 12 players (two went to the IR) even after the draft it was a little obvious that all 12 (or 10 if you want to be technical) wouldn't make the roster. If they all would have made it....it was either one hell of a draft or our roster is really bad.

Would have liked to see Pullard make the roster, hopefully we will be able to keep him on the PS.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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Its amazing that we have reached a point where guys like Moore, Bad and Tank are having their spots questioned lol. 4 years ago, guys like Lenz and Pullard would have been starting for us.


Also, we have got to the point talent wise that draft picks are getting cut.


More like we're having bad drafts.


And we have a ton of picks.


lol you responded, while i was typing my response.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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Its amazing that we have reached a point where guys like Moore, Bad and Tank are having their spots questioned lol. 4 years ago, guys like Lenz and Pullard would have been starting for us.


Also, we have got to the point talent wise that draft picks are getting cut.


More like we're having bad drafts.


And we have a ton of picks.


No excuse to miss this badly on the 4th.

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Its amazing that we have reached a point where guys like Moore, Bad and Tank are having their spots questioned lol. 4 years ago, guys like Lenz and Pullard would have been starting for us.


Also, we have got to the point talent wise that draft picks are getting cut.


More like we're having bad drafts.


And we have a ton of picks.


No excuse to miss this badly on the 4th.


Nope. Especially when you put off addressing the position for two free agency periods and 1.5 drafts.

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solid moves to me. I liked Lenz, but o well. maybe he makes the PS.


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The Colts cut Duron Carter. We were trying to sign him in the off-season. I wonder if we give him a look. Also, the Colts wide receiver group is pretty deep.

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The Colts cut Duron Carter. We were trying to sign him in the off-season. I wonder if we give him a look. Also, the Colts wide receiver group is pretty deep.


Way too deep. I mean, is it necessary? The only two cuttable people I see are TP and Bowe. Everyone else has cut themselves a nice niche. I wouldn't cut TP to get Duron. And Bowe seems to be unmoveable, so I don't see it.

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I liked Lenz and that Wynn kid, they were put the effort out but unfortunately there is just no room for them when Hawkins, Gabriel and Benji have the same skill set but more talent.

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Rams waived OT Isaiah Battle.

Isaiah was a 5th round pick I think needs a look.

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Think the Seahawks cut HB Robert Turbin.. I liked him when he came out of college.


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Pretty sure he was placed on IR

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If it comes down to Lenz vs Pryor at the back end of Bowe-Hartline-Benji-Gabriel-Hawkins ..... I don't blame them one bit for holding on to the guy that has a HUGE upside. Lenz did great - loved watching him. He's never going to be a difference maker at Tp has the upside. No brainer.


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If it comes down to Lenz vs Pryor at the back end of Bowe-Hartline-Benji-Gabriel-Hawkins ..... I don't blame them one bit for holding on to the guy that has a HUGE upside. Lenz did great - loved watching him. He's never going to be a difference maker at Tp has the upside. No brainer.


Yeah, that really is what is comes down to.

Pryor has game changer potential. Lenz has "competent receiver" potential. He is a smaller receiver, and has average to below speed. If you keep him to develop, what do you wind up with when he is fully developed?

Pryor has superstar or bust type potential that cannot simply be discarded. He has come a huge way in his 1st minicamp as a receiver, and then got hurt. A team in need of superstar type players cannot afford to just ignore him and his talent. His hands are huge. The ball just disappears in Pryor's hands. He is 6'4". He is what .. 225#, but very fast. He has a lot to learn, but there are ways he can help the team from the start. He can work on special teams. He did a nice job on the punt team against the Bears. There is no reason to think that he cannot also be a factor on return teams. He is fast, and can block.

He also can block as a receiver. If he gets a few plays down 100%, he can be useful on offense. He is a player who will demand attention from the defense. Will he be a finished project this year? Nope. Can he be useful? Yep.


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He also can block as a receiver. If he gets a few plays down 100%, he can be useful on offense. He is a player who will demand attention from the defense.


He can?

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rofl And it only took 16 years!


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Not even a lie...and I'm sure even Jesus himself will agree...Us as Browns fans can collectively draft better than the Browns..our yearly mock drafts point to it...that's just sad considering we pour our heart, time, and money into this franchise...why we will never be a super bowl bound team...Horrible drafting, inferior coaching, and a system at top that is as dysfunctional as most 911 calls

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He also can block as a receiver. If he gets a few plays down 100%, he can be useful on offense. He is a player who will demand attention from the defense.


He can?


Look at the Bears game. While it was against backups, he showed an ability to block.


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I haven't watched enough of Pryor to know whether or not he can block, but this is a good point. As I said earlier, I think we're attempting to be a run first offense buoyed by a stout defense. I don't know that we have the horses to run that race, but I understand the logic. Our QB and WR units are arguably the worst in the NFL. Pryor and Lenz are fringe players, and you go with the upside that's most specific to the suit you're trying to tailor. We have better versions of Lenz on the roster. Pryor makes sense. I feel his ceiling in the NFL is as a gadget option on a well-balanced offense. It's up to us to provide the latter so that he can work effectively.

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I haven't watched enough of Pryor to know whether or not he can block, but this is a good point. As I said earlier, I think we're attempting to be a run first offense buoyed by a stout defense. I don't know that we have the horses to run that race, but I understand the logic. Our QB and WR units are arguably the worst in the NFL. Pryor and Lenz are fringe players, and you go with the upside that's most specific to the suit you're trying to tailor. We have better versions of Lenz on the roster. Pryor makes sense. I feel his ceiling in the NFL is as a gadget option on a well-balanced offense. It's up to us to provide the latter so that he can work effectively.



Pryor is also more of a deep threat than Lenz already, which is useful for a run-first + play action offense. It doesn't matter if you can play wide receiver, anybody with that size/speed combo forces a safety over the top on a go route.


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In the few plays I saw of Pryor...He didn't look explosive I think his hammy is still bothering him

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In the few plays I saw of Pryor...He didn't look explosive I think his hammy is still bothering him


Before the game he said he was about 80%. After the game he said he was unable to get to his top gear.


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Why is it Farmer has to do it the hard way find a difference maker at WR.?
The rest of the AFC North teams draft actual WRS coming out of college Bryant..Jones...Perrin
But Farmer is trying to make this great project out of Pryor.

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I don't think I've ever seen people more in the tank for a player who has accomplished literally nothing.

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He is a home town kid for the OSU faithful. There is an undeniable skill set with Pryor. How it translates to receiver? we will just have to wait and see, but you gotta be atleast intrigued with the kid. Personally, i think we have two potential stars at receiver in Gabriel and Hartline. The rest will be replaced in another year.

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It's not just that he went to OSU. He was electric with the ball.

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Why is it Farmer has to do it the hard way find a difference maker at WR.?
The rest of the AFC North teams draft actual WRS coming out of college Bryant..Jones...Perrin
But Farmer is trying to make this great project out of Pryor.


When you can't draft, you have to find other ways. Don't worry though, this is in all likely hood his last year as a GM.


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I don't think I've ever seen people more in the tank for a player who has accomplished literally nothing.


You mean like how some around here are for Manziel?


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I don't think I've ever seen people more in the tank for a player who has accomplished literally nothing.


You mean like how some around here are for Manziel?


It's not even close. A person compared Pryor to Josh Gordon.

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