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Would he be worth getting? I don't know the cost, but he and Gipson as safeties OMG!!

I think Chancellor is by far and away the best SS in the NFL. I also think he sets the tone for the defense. This guy is a monster. He hits like a ton of bricks and is smart enough to play the pass.

He is huge to Seattle's success and I cant imagine them letting him walk.

I have heard that the Giants are interested. I just can't see Seattle letting him go. He is a true stud!

I'm not sure why his panties are in a bind. The guy has a top 10 contract for safeties. Sure, all his guarantees are up, but the dude signed the deal. If he's got a problem with it, he should take it up with his agent. As well, he's been fined $30k each day through training camp...if he misses game 1, he loses 25% of his prorated bonus ($250k), and 1/17th of his salary (about $267k), so he'll be breaking $1m if he hasn't already.

Like Vers said, I can't see Seattle letting him go. I also don't see Seattle giving in - it is a terrible precedence to set. If there was an offer on the table before his holdout (like Lynch last year), maybe that will end up happening (like Lynch last year). I'd be surprised if they guarantee any of the future year's contracts as they'd be opening pandora's box. At most, I can see them forgiving the fines and moving on (I don't see Chancellor being happy with that)

As per what it would take to get him - I'm sure it'd be at minimum a 2nd rounder and Whitner. Plus, I'd guess it wouldn't happen unless he got his money - so guarantee a big chunk of his future years and/or give him and extension/raise. So, likely $10m/year. It looks like we have the room (per both spotrac and overthecap), but not sure we'd take that jump.





http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5910/kam-chancellor
4/22/2013: Signed a five-year, $29.323 million contract. The deal contains $17 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus. Another $5.7 million is available through incentives.

From what I've seen of I. Campbell, no. Let (w)Hitner play out his contract, he's been playing at a high level for us and no reason to suggest or believe that will change - and let Campbell continue to develop.

That dude just got paid and now he wants paid again. I understand he's a "team" leader, not just defense, but damn they just paid Russel. Gotta wait your turn man, especially when it was so recent he got a new contract. Players these days get dollar symbols, and now his team that he's supposedly a "leader" with is suffering because he wants to hold out.

Joke if you ask me, what don't need that kind of player regardless how elite he may be! And I am saying that with the true belief he's the best strong safety in the game today...

JMO

...is an idiot.

Just signed your contract. HONOR it. I want no part of this clown. We have enough problems.

I hope Seattle lets him rot while collecting his fines. SMH

Seattle doesn't honor their contracts. Why should he be set to a higher standard than his employer?

We need to get Kam. Honestly, does the price really matter?

would he even want to come here?

Better question. Why in the hell would he ever entertain the thought of coming to this mess? Not for all the money in the world.

No...

Why? Blowing money (especially what he's likely expecting) on a safety would be about the dumbest thing Cleveland could do. Especially when our two safeties are both pro-bowl and our depth at the position is also not too shabby (Poyer and I. Campbell who has been playing pretty good football and only is to get better.)

He's a money-first guy, we need football/team-first people. Kam is a joke regardless how good a player he is, and he's hanging the entire city of Seattle out because of it.

The Seahawks do honor their contracts. Can you point to a situation where they have not?

You must be referring to the fact that base salaries in the NFL are not normally guaranteed-- but that is written into the contract. Players (agents) can and do negotiate significant guarantees into contracts, whether they be signing bonuses, roster bonuses, guaranteed base salaries, etc.

The NFL also provides protections in this regard. A vested veteran (this includes Kam Chancellor) who is on the roster in week 1 and is cut during the season, can collect his entire base salary (guaranteed or not) as termination pay. This goes along with other protections that are not unfair at all, e.g. can't cut injured players unless you pay them.

And yes, the price really does matter. Cap space and draft picks are both valuable and when the player wants a top of the line contract and the team wants significant draft picks, that normally prices out teams from realistically trading for a player. It depends on the specifics though of course. And this assumes that Kam has any desire to play for the Browns.

No thanks. A little poison goes a long way in your waterhole. He is a beast. Just not what we need IMO.

Because Kam is the defensive leader for Seattle. He sets up that secondary and he knows how to tackle. That's a lot more than what we can say about Hitner.

It is so easy to terminate contracts in the NFL that they're meaningless for a majority of people in the game. Telling someone to honor their contract is silly and something no one would ever tell anyone else in the real world.

I'd rather trade away next years first round pick for a QB that's better than ours and would ride the pine on his current team.

I am NOT saying the Browns should go after him. I don't think we should.

I just had to respond to your post because I believe that Kam is probably the most important guy on that team in regards to locker room leadership.

He's a quality player and teammate.

As I've said before, he's letting the entire city and his "teammates" down because he's seeing money signs in his head. It wasn't not long ago at all he got a new contract.

I do think he's a quality player, I've said it before - I think he's the best at his position, but I don't see eye-to-eye on him being a quality teammate.



Actually if you listen to any of the secondary player's interview, you'll hear them say that Donte gets them aligned and calls out plays. You'll often see Dansby and Donte communicating. Donte is a good tackler too, he whiffed a few times yesterday which maybe is why you made the comment. Kam is leading nothing but his own personal ego. Yeah, he's a leader on the field, but he's neglecting to get on it. You'd never see Joe Thomas doing anything like this, and this is why Joe is a pro.

Telling someone to honor their contract is silly and something no one would ever tell anyone else in the real world. You're right-- that would never happen in any employment or business setting anywhere. Only in the NFL.

If he leaves Seattle he certainly would not come to a loser.

Yeah, I was just blowing off steam on how Whitner played. I like him. I don't really think he's much of an upgrade over Kam (At least not at the price asked). I just had a lot of steam to blow off after that game and watching our last few drafts be entirely meaningless. At the end of the day we might as well have spent our first round pick on literally anything else.

Only bumping this for the MMQB article today that was a good read.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/15/nfl-kam-chancellor-seattle-seahawks-holdout

And for the people who say that he's being a cancer:

"This is especially true of teammates who also come from poverty. “Can’t say it enough—this is a business,” one player told me. “The team doesn’t honor the contract when you get hurt, so why should you play for less than you’re worth?”"

I believe that from the fan perspective, it's something most often overlooked. The NFL is a multi billion dollar enterprise and the players are employees. The teams want to pay the least to get the most. That's the nature of business. The players wish to make the most they can because their career is limited. And if they undergo serious injury, their career can be shortened. They are considering their livelihood, family and everything else that goes with career decisions.

We as fans see it as a game, a professional sport. We try to narrow it down to dedication to your team and team mates. That team is everything.

While that may hold some weight through the NCAA, after that point, football is a business. I'm sure many players understand that concept and fully understand what Chancellor is doing.