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Rand Paul: Dick Cheney 'Wrong' About Almost Every Foreign Policy Decision

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) criticized former Vice President Dick Cheney on Thursday, calling nearly all of his foreign policy decisions spanning the last three decades a "disaster for this country."



"I think Dick Cheney has probably been wrong about almost every foreign policy decision over the last 20 or 30 years," Paul told conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham. "The only time he was actually right about something in foreign policy is when he advised the first George Bush that taking Baghdad would lead to chaos, civil war and destabilizing a region. That's ultimately what happened. "



Cheney, who served as vice president under President George W. Bush, published a new book on Tuesday with his daughter, Liz, in which they blame the rise of the Islamic State on the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq.



"President Obama's decision not to leave any U.S. forces behind created the space and the conditions for the rebirth of al Qaeda in Iraq, as well as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, ISIS," the Cheneys wrote in their book, titled Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America.



Paul, a libertarian-leaning conservative with critical views of the Bush administration, told Ingraham that Cheney misread the situation in Iraq by insisting that American troops would be greeted as "liberators" in the country.



"I think what Dick Cheney promotes has been a disaster for this country," Paul said.



Cheney said Wednesday that he had "no apologies" with respect to his administration's decision to invade Iraq and topple Saddam Hussein.



The Cheneys, who are frequent critics of Obama's foreign policy, published a column last week insisting that Obama has lied about the Iran nuclear deal, which would lift sanctions on the country in exchange for Iran curbing its nuclear ambitions.



"President Obama is unraveling this international structure as part of an agreement that provides a pathway for the world’s worst state-sponsor of terror to acquire nuclear weapons," the Cheneys wrote in a column published in The Wall Street Journal. "Nearly everything the president has told us about his Iranian agreement is false."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rand...ection=politics

Obama will probably go down in history as stealing Bernie's thunder.

Remember when McCain was too old at 64 and then he was REALLY too old at 71?

I do remember the flood of Libby tears over it!

So nobody is gonna answer me?

there's germans and other european nations that have some citizens saying death to america and that they hate our nation too.

how come you guys aren't opposing the trading or diplomacy going on with those countries?

There are radicals in all cultures who hate others for reasons all their own... the difference is that Germany's government isn't a part of that hate and Germany doesn't have a government that would knowingly harbor and support them if they knew that these radicals were planning on carrying out attacks against us... where as Iran just might. It is also a matter of degree, how many Germans hate Americans and would actively plan to do us harm if the opportunity presented itself? Now how many Iranians would?

Perhaps because they aren't cutting our heads off and burning people to death like the savages in the Middle East, perhaps.

except that's pure speculation.

Which part?

how many Germans hate Americans and would actively plan to do us harm if the opportunity presented itself? Now how many Iranians would?

^^ that part. because if we wanna speculate, i have history on my side.

One group has been the cause for....2 world wars and a holocaust.

the other? sporadic terrorist events.

you don't know how many people would do anything. all you could do is speculate.

and as a group of individuals...you never know.

What's not true.

The deal doesn't let Iran get nukes within 10 years.

And Obama will still look you dead in the eye and tell you he is the most transparent president ever. How do liberals look past stuff like this? Are they really that much of a homer that they will stick by the Dems no matter what happens, or are they really all just low information voters and truly dont understand what is going on?

How are you destroying the argument? That has nothing to do with with the development of nukes. You are a low info voter and need to start getting your news from somewhere other than MSNBC.

Iran is the number one sponsor of terror and in this nuke deal they receive one billion dollars that is undoubtedly going to fund terror groups like Hamas and ISIS. If you don't think this is true then you sir are a fool and as gullible as a five year old.

Well considering Bernie Sanders is an admitted Socialist, give me an example of one time Socialism has ever worked. Please.

Give me an example of one time capitalism has ever worked.

Do you care to explain what is not true about it?

I just did??????????????????????/

No one has answered this because the answer is obvious. These European nation chants are not being led by the leader of the country like whats going on in Iran. A simple citizen can chant death to America until the cows come home but that is not even close to the same as the Iranian Ayatollah leading the chants. If you dont see the difference then there is no use even having this conversation with your manipulated mind.

Yes, the deal, with the Iranians themselves doing their own inspections will lead to the development of nuclear bombs within 10 years. Of course the deal doesnt outright state this but come on you can not be this gullible. Well I dont know you so maybe you are just a 15 year old kid and really are that gullible.

America. Now back to Socialism

America's experiment with capitalism couldn't even make it five years before it collapsed on itself. Spectacularly, I might add. It was a complete and utter failure of epic proportions.

Iran won't be doing their own inspection. They would be allowed (at the moment) to inspect a military base that we believe has a nuclear program. The fact that you parrot out things that you heard on talk radio leads me to believe you haven't even read the agreement. I'll give you a suggestion, always consult a primary source before you consult the secondary sources.

America has been a capitalist country from the beginning and it's the greatest country ever. What are you talking about. Now, when exactly has Socialism worked?

We have not been a capitalist country from the beginning. We've had tariffs since the founding of our nation, and could have never gotten off the ground as a national economy without them. We have always employed a fluid mix of capitalism and socialism. There was a brief period when we attempted to shift to a wholly capitalist doctrine, and it failed miserably. It couldn't even sustain a decade. Capitalism is a great engine for wealth creation, but it collapses on itself if left untreated. And socialism works all over the world. The United States would be a good example. Police, fire, infrastructure, education, the military, etc. These are all examples of socialism working within our framework.

your post are all over the place.

i've posted already the countries were socialism works.

we have socialist-style programs right here in america as well.

and low info voter? please.

Good posting Shing14, we will not let the Socialists pervert our Nation and rename it the...

United States Socialist Republic

As a liberal, personally I'm hoping for a Trump/Palin ticket.

Would be glorious.

You glorious libbys are about to get TRUMPED.

Maybe, but right now us libbys are enjoying the current events of trump destroying the GOP from the inside out.

Thanks for clearing that up, Mike.

I'm going to drink and drive now, because i don't feel the law is right.



Mike Huckabee On Kim Davis: Obey The Law Only 'If It's Right'


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike...kusaolp00000592

GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee on Sunday defended Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis for refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses. When asked by ABC host George Stephanopoulos whether Davis had an obligation to uphold the law, even if she disagreed with it, Huckabee argued she did not.

"You obey if it's right," the former Arkansas governor said on "This Week." "So, I go back to my question, is slavery the law of the land because Dred Scott said so? Was that a correct decision? Should the courts have been irrevocably followed on that? Should Lincoln have been put in jail? Because he ignored it. That's the fundamental question."

The 1857 Dred Scott decision is widely viewed as the worst Supreme Court ruling in history. In it, the Court ruled that no one with African ancestry could be a citizen of the United States and voided prior legislation that had blocked the expansion of slavery into parts of the country. Huckabee, like some other conservatives, argued that a 19th-century ruling requiring discrimination against black people is similar to a 21st-century ruling barring discrimination against LGBT people.

Davis has argued that her religious convictions bar her from allowing two people of the same sex to be legally recognized as married.

Also on Sunday, conservative columnist George Will told Fox News that Davis had an obligation to resign from office if she would not abide by the law.

Trump has next to no chance of being the nominee. It will be Jeb Bush, who has fair odds of winning the White House.

Jeb Bush has no chance to win the nomination.

I saw an interview today where a tea party supporter said he prefers the ACA and opposes obamacare.

lol.

I can understand that because most of us know we need some kind of Healthcare for everyone in this country. Problem is this plan is very expensive. Wait for Jan first when our rates go up 40% and companies with good plans, now called Cadillac plans, are taxed through the roof for offering those plans. All gets passed on to the middle class of course.

No, one is the same as the other. The ACA is Obamacare.

One simply doesn't use the name Obama in it. You know, that bad word that makes people hate everything. lol

I knew both were one in the same but didn't realize swish was laughing at the guy calling it ACA. Got it.

uhhhhh.......wooooooshhh

This is awesome.

A "Libby rag" as 40 might say is saying similar things, if not as strong on the percentages.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/20...16-or-maybe-not