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Guys you are going to have to trust me on this. You are going to love this blocking scheme next year.

He'll have unbalanced lines. He'll have extra lineman in to block and every now and then, they'll catch a pass. He'll use pulling lineman like crazy. You are going to see some new plays you have never seen before and some plays going back to the Lombardi days.

The lineman are going to love him and the opposing defense is going to have a hard time preparing for this blocking scheme.

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We need to send you to talk to Joe T, Mack, and Schwartzie.

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Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
Originally Posted By: clevesteve
j/c... FWIW

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...a9-8297c2a4d7b2

Nathan Zegura: "And you prefer a more power running style than say, a zone style"

Hue Jackson: "Ohhh yeah."


Does this mean we are in trouble? Seems to me, power running is not our forte...


well pretty sure both JT and mack did well in it.


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Nah............I think our guys are better suited to zone blocking. They are more agile than brutish.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
We need to send you to talk to Joe T, Mack, and Schwartzie.


If they watch some film, they probably already know.

I really hope Mack stays because I think he'll be awesome as a pulling center.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Nah............I think our guys are better suited to zone blocking. They are more agile than brutish.


was just thing back to the last time we ran with any consistency was 2010. both mack and JT were starters. what Blocking Scheme was that?


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Originally Posted By: clevesteve
j/c... FWIW

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...a9-8297c2a4d7b2

Nathan Zegura: "And you prefer a more power running style than say, a zone style"

Hue Jackson: "Ohhh yeah."


Does this mean we are in trouble? Seems to me, power running is not our forte...


well pretty sure both JT and mack did well in it.



Exactly right...Remember, before Shanahan came here, this was a power blocking team...and we were better running the football as well...

2015 16th,4.0 ypc
2014 Shanahan brought ZBS 28th 3.6 ypc

2013 23rd 4.0 ypc
2012Schwartz arrived 21st 4.0 ypc
2011 31st 3.7 ypc
2010 21st 4.0
2009 Mack arrived 15th 4.2 ypc
2008 26th 3.9 ypc
2007 Joe arrived 6th 4.3 ypc

Not that it is all that telling, but Shanahan's ZBS was the worst rushing season since Joe entered the league. LAST season was mirroring that until they went away from it and implemented less complex power blocking.

One thing to think about, when Austin Pazstor took over on the line, the rushing totals went up..he is a power guard.

I'm not saying Bitonio can't play and that Pazstor is a better player overall...what I do think is that Bitonio is better off at the RT position in a power rushing scheme, imho, despite what everyone said of him coming out of college. If Schwartz leaves, expect Bitonio to take over for him. Erving on the other hand, I think can play G, but for God's sake, he needs to learn the position. Something the Browns failed to attempt to teach him before putting him there in 2015.

I love the move back to power blocking...now if we can just find a way back to a 4-3 defense, we might be moving in the right direction.

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Umm, I think you need to look at more than just ypc comparison. There's more to it than that.

The running game was a disaster to start the year and slowly improved as the guys got into the scheme and Mack got back into form. Last season was the best in a LONG time due to the ZBS, but Mack going down and the personnel shuffling that ensued heavily affected the year end average.

Recalling back to one of Mangini's years, we started with a power scheme, but shifted to more of a zone scheme when things weren't working. I hope Hue can see that this group tends to do better in a zone vs a straight power blocking scheme.


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Thanks for this lesson. Great post with solid info!


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Thanks for this lesson. Great post with solid info!


was dawglover05 post. i just helped a little with the pics..


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Originally Posted By: clevesteve
j/c... FWIW

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...a9-8297c2a4d7b2

Nathan Zegura: "And you prefer a more power running style than say, a zone style"

Hue Jackson: "Ohhh yeah."


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I agree. I think a zone is much easier to run and play, and our current line is made up with players who can do that but aren't "bulls" along the line. Heck....Joe isn't a drive blocking machine. He is a positional run blocker.


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
I agree. I think a zone is much easier to run and play, and our current line is made up with players who can do that but aren't "bulls" along the line. Heck....Joe isn't a drive blocking machine. He is a positional run blocker.


I also agree. Zone blocking gave us our best running since probably Jamal Lewis 2007, IMO


It fit our line very well and worked wonderfully until Alex Mack went down (which also pretty much ruined that whole season)


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1. Joe Thomas can block in any kind of blocking scheme. Everyone describes him as a finesse blocker...ever see him crash down on the edge?

2. I could have sworn some posters were claiming we didn't have zone blocking guys and trying to make them into them???

3. Also please note no matter what scheme you call it we will be doing some essential things noted as characteristic with a zone blocking scheme. Which means we still will double on the initial and one will peal off to the 2nd level.

4. Note we have been dwelving in Zone blocking since we went with the Shurmur coaching regime. We hire two OL Coaches to put it in.

5. What Shanny brought here and I think we kept it this past year was a more Stretch OUTSIDE ZONE Blocking Scheme.

6. I can guarantee you one thing. What ever blocking scheme we call it there will be some zone blocking in it per say. I think we will utilize some of the traits but go to a more AREA Blocking scheme. But hard to say exactly what till we see it.

I am guessing will will see less lateral movement and more north south. We had too many instances where Defenders would slip in behind our OL who was moving lateral and the guy left of them or right going the other way couldn't catch up and there was a lot of penetration.

We won't really know till we put the pads on.

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Originally Posted By: eotab
1. Joe Thomas can block in any kind of blocking scheme. Everyone describes him as a finesse blocker...ever see him crash down on the edge?

2. I could have sworn some posters were claiming we didn't have zone blocking guys and trying to make them into them???

3. Also please note no matter what scheme you call it we will be doing some essential things noted as characteristic with a zone blocking scheme. Which means we still will double on the initial and one will peal off to the 2nd level.

4. Note we have been dwelving in Zone blocking since we went with the Shurmur coaching regime. We hire two OL Coaches to put it in.

5. What Shanny brought here and I think we kept it this past year was a more Stretch OUTSIDE ZONE Blocking Scheme.

6. I can guarantee you one thing. What ever blocking scheme we call it there will be some zone blocking in it per say. I think we will utilize some of the traits but go to a more AREA Blocking scheme. But hard to say exactly what till we see it.

I am guessing will will see less lateral movement and more north south. We had too many instances where Defenders would slip in behind our OL who was moving lateral and the guy left of them or right going the other way couldn't catch up and there was a lot of penetration.

We won't really know till we put the pads on.

jmho


Tab... very solid post.

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