DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Trade Billy Winn to Colts

Now it all makes sense, cutting Pryor frees #17 back up for Lenz.

CRY,CRY,CRY......ALL TOGETHER NOW!!!!!!

Like it or not, he was probably in the 49 - 53 roster range, in the last year of his contract.

The bottom of ANY TEAMS roster is fluid.

in related news, Indy reached an injury settlement w/ Dan Herron. Wonder if we claim him.

Yep! lol! Thanks for the laugh!!!

The bottom of the roster is always in flux this time of year, I really dont get the surprise and panic over Winn and Pryor whem everyone thought they were gonna be cut 2 weeks ago.

I didn't think Winn should be cut. I think he is certainly better than a stiff like Orchard or Housler.

And how do we really know if Meder and Cooper are going to be all that? They did okay in preseason, probably against back-ups.

Winn has a good motor and contributed. He was one of Heckert's picks that I really liked.

A "conditional" pick. Pffftttttt

It's a dumpster fire and most of you spin it as we are making good moves.

I am not concerned about the bottom of the roster being turned over, I am concerned that we are getting rid of the wrong guys (in Winn's case) or bringing in the wrong guys (in Turbin's case).

At least Gabbert and Weeden back up real QBs

You got me curious as to what I would have drafted. From the archives, here are my draft re-do's since 2011 (right after the drafts of course, so no hindsight involved)

2011:

21 DE C.Jordan (AllStar Saints)
37 DT Paea (starter Bears, now Redskins, 6 sacks last season)
59 WR Cobb (yeah, him)
102 DE Acho or LB McCarthy (Acho, 32 starts in 4 years for Cards, 13 sacks, 7 FF, 3 INT, now pass rush specialist on Bears)
124 CB House (starter JAX)
150 OL Pinkston (good ole Pinky)
248 NT Neild (injury prone, made two rosters in '11 and '13, now out of league)

2012 (based on pre-draft posts only, no full re-draft)

1a CB Claiborne (slated to start this season, has been a huge disappointment)
1b QB Weeden (oh well)

Based on my mock, I would have gotten WR Sanu, LB Trevathan and DT Mike Daniels, all starters.


2013 (would have taken the trade down offer from STL)

16- CB Rhodes (one of the best young CBs in the NFL)
46- OLB Moore (5.5 sacks as backup on the Giants last season)
78- WR T.Williams (one of the best young WRs in the NFL)
111- OL B.Jones (backup on the Rams for two seasons, now on PIT PS)
139- RB S.Taylor (backup ARI)
175- TE Gragg (backup BUF)
217- QB Bray (out of league)
227- OLB D.Bass (Bass backup in TEN)

2014

1a CB Fuller (was a revelation until his injury)
1b QB Bridgewater (well...)
2 WR M.Lee (meh rookie season)
3a FS Brooks (disappointment, only backup)
3b OG G.Jackson (AllPro G level already)
4a OLB Bradford or WRs Bryant/Ellington (Bryant's the goods, Bradford is on PS)
4b RB White (backup Pats)
5 QB Murray (backup to Alex Smith)
6 CB/FS EJ Gaines (rookie starter for Rams, now on IR)
7 Skov (backup SF)

+ 1st and 4th in 2015.

12) WR Agholor (starter Philly)
19) NT Phillips (DL rotation MIA)
51) TE Walford (backup/TE rotation Raiders)
77) OLB Mauldin (backup Jets)
96) DT Cooper (Browns)
115) SS Campbell (Browns)
123) WR Greene (4th WR JAX)
189) CB Gunter (made GB roster as UDFA)
195) RB Josh Robinson (backup to Gore)
198) C Gallik (backup C in TEN)
219) ILB Taiwan Jones (on Jets PS)
241) CB IEO (Browns, on IR)


Cam Jordan, Randall Cobb, Mike Daniels, Xavier Rhodes, Terrance Williams, Kyle Fuller, Teddy Bridgewater, Gabe Jackson, Nelson Agholor, plus other starters and contributors...man, don't know about you, but I'd take that over what the Browns actually did and have, lol. So yeah, you should be happy with me as GM

Agree, he was good guy, played hard, but with limited upside...hope he does well except against us....GO Browns!!!!

Agreed.

Winn was a good player. His rookie year was a big surprise, in that he came in and filled a void at DT due to injury.

The thing I'm concerned about is what we got for him. I'm getting the feeling that it wasn't much, and if so, that would really tick me off. The guy is a player that belongs at this level. Guys like that should command more than a throwaway draft pick from a needy team.

so we are down to 3 players on the d-line that played in this system. and 2 of those hughes and Armonty Bryant barley played in it last year.

but everybody is so sure we upgraded and are so so deap.....

Sorry to see him go. I liked Winn and I thought he was clutch, and a play-maker. But who am I to question "the brightest boys in the room" that work in the Browns' front office? After all, you just can't have too many late round picks, because everybody knows that the 6th and 7th round is where champions are built, right?

I don't think there is any chance. If he got caught his career is over.

I'm praying he gets caught.

As some said, we was more than likely not going to be picked up next year, so we turned nothing in to a pick.

I have no problem with he move.

I was the one to say that. I understand that fact. I'm just not sure why were are carrying four tight ends and a fullback. A lot of these moves don't make sense.

I agree. Maybe we think we can trade one of the TE's to a interested team who is holding out hoping we release the player. Who knows?

Look at it this way....going in the staff had no real idea that Bibbs was going to make the team. The kid really stood out. They probably wanted to put him on the PS but knew he would get signed.

I think at one point, soon, one of the tight ends won't be on the team.

I figured 1 or 2 of Taylor, Winn, or Kitchen would be cut/traded but I'm surprised they got rid of all 3 with the injuries we had last year and the fact that Pett is big on controlling the line of scrimmage and this only leaves us with 6 guys plus DL/OLB Armonty Bryant.

Let me see if I have this right:

The Browns cut T. Pryor to bring in Turdin, who is going to be out for multiple weeks.

They then trade Winn for a "conditional draft pick" so they can promote a RB from the Practice Squad.

And this is AFTER they traded West for a conditional 7th round pick?

Is all that right?

It's Turbin with a "b." Or SuperBrown hacked your account.

Other than that, you are correct.

J/C...Doom and gloom...The irony of it.
I liked Winn. Good luck dude.

What's ironic about it? Are you saying we have been ultra successful? Are you saying these are good moves?

What are you saying, really?

Pryor our 7th receiver, I was more upset we kept him over Shaney Wynn or Lenz.

WEst was let go because they did not see him as a good member of the locker. If you get one guy whining and bitching in the locker it brings everyone down and that is the word out of Berea. He didnt want to work and was constantly bitching and whining.

Winn loved the guy but at this point i go with upside of a Cooper and Meder over the injury prone backup. Its that simple.

I do feel West and Pryor was done with a special intent. Winn was just caught in the numbers

To me you can't bunch them together and look at them like dominos falling

In reverse order, it was apparent that West was a problem child with the staff. I don't know all the reasons, but there were enough reports that indicated he was a problem child. I get moving him.

The Browns like Turbin. Injury or not, they wanted him, and in his career buried behind "the beast" he has put up pretty good numbers in limited chances. You can't look at Turbin with a short time view, as in the next 2-3 weeks. Take a long term look. Not a bad pick-up. Draughn is the short time guy to look at...

Winn, as has been said, we weren't bringing him back, so we traded him for what ever it turns out to be. I'd say we did squeeze some blood from that turnip. Good move. Sure if guys get hurt many will point to the lack of Winn, but you can't make long term decisions based on players might get hurt. If most everybody stays healthy, Winn was going to see limited playing time.

If people are going to point to that, I don't want to hear them complaining about 4 TE's because both Dray and name any you want could go down, so it was a damn good thing we kept 4 on the roster.


I do like the Turdin comment....lol. As you know I have been know to do that, coining both Timid Couch and Chump Thompson.

You can lump them together and I just did. It's amazing when you look at how ignorant this chain of events are.

People can spin things all they want, but Farmer is proving to be cow manure.

J/C...

I wasn't the biggest fan of keeping Pryor on the 53, and I liked Austin Davis as a potential backup coming out of college, but but I think I'd rather have Pryor or Winn on the 53 than Davis.

I think you need a 3rd QB. If you only have 2, the 2nd QB has to run the scout team. I'd rather the 2nd be involved with out gameplan rather than running some other.


Now had you said the fullback Johnson, I might agree. Fullbacks are pretty much a wasted roster position....if you want blocking.....well, you know;)

Most teams carry a third QB on the practice squad for that reason (like we did with Shaw last year).

Call me old school. I like my third on the real team. Not the scrub team who can be signed away I say keep a FB on the PS...

Indeed. Looking at the positional numbers after the cuts gave the impression the roster plan was ill conceived.

well maybe when turn is healthy drou goes back to practice squad and if pryor is available we sign him back on. who knows...

And Pettine has also said that we will run a lot of 2 TE this year. (and I would bet we see some 3 TE as well)

Winn was the 8th DL on a 3-4 team. He was likely to be inactive for games. Instead, the Browns got something for a guy who was likely to be cut anyway ..... and Winn gets a chance with a team that can use him higher in their rotation. That is a win win, for the Browns and Winn.

Also, the team really likes Dylan Wynn, who is on the practice squad. If we get to a situation where we need a 7th/8th DL, I would bet that he gets consideration for a call up.

Cow manure? Why so harsh? What did cow manure ever do to you? LMAO

I know you just did. I explained why I don't think we can do that in this case.

As for Farmer, I am not going to say he stinks, but I am also not going to say the guy is great. He does have a mix mash of hits and misses. The strange part is his hits in later rounds or with free agents indicates he does have an eye for talent...OR....he is very lucky with some of those picks. His misses have been at the top of the draft indicating he might not know what he is doing...OR...he is unlucky with those picks.

If you believe in luck, then one would have to belive that luck comes both good and bad. If you don't believe in luck...well, you get the point. It's a real head scratcher. By the looks of things, this years top picks look like they might be pretty good. I hope so. We need more than late round picks turning in to solid players. We need some top picks turning in to great players. Maybe big Danny starts the trend. I also think the X man will become a stud player.

It must be a sign that our team is improving when the bickering is about the bottom one or two spots on the roster...

No arguements there. I think many of us remember when Darren Chevrini was going to be a savior at receiver.

lol forgot about Chiaverini ... blast from the past

I think people are assuming that Winn was a bottom of the roster type talent. I keep reading "bottom of the roster," "we were going to cut him anyway," "at least we got something for him."

I don't feel he is a bottom of the roster guy. I also don't know if guys like Meder, Cooper, and Orchard are any good yet. They haven't even played in a real game yet. Heck, we don't even know if Shelton is the real deal. We think he will be, but we don't know.

I don't get keeping 4 TEs and a FB who can play TE and cutting Winn----who has done more than any of them in the NFL.

Sorry to see you go Billy Say howdy to Brant Boyer for us Browns fans when you get there.