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What I saw of Pryor was a lack of explosion in the few plays he ran...looks like his hammy was still bothering him...If Pryor went to Michigan I don't think anyone would care so much...We have plenty and I mean plenty of depth at WR...
Now RB is scary...Crow and a banged up rookie Duke...and picked up an injured Turbin who is probably 3 weeks away from even playing...McCown may get 40 passing attempts...eekkk...not excited by this team one bit...however like every year will endure it my best.
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+1, JMHO, Turbin is proven asset, he is a better back than Crow...same size, catches better...compare his draft combine numbers to Crows and you see a better, stronger athlete....great pickup once he's ready....Pryor had POTENTIAL and time will tell if we did right thing....glad to have Turbin at a cost...GO Browns!!!!
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No one has answered my question about the IR--eligible to return thing. Would Turbin been eligible for that or not, had we not made a huge gaffe and put Gaines on there?
I keep reading all these great things about Turbin. I bet most of you had no idea who he was and are making crap up now.
Most of you don't even watch other games.
You know...........we could have had Dion Lewis. Oh yeah, we did have him and the idiot Farmer cut him. We could have had D'Angelo Williams, but the Steelers signed him. Funny how teams like New England [who won the Super Bowl] and Pittsburgh [who won the division] want backs that aren't good enough for us.
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Is Turbin going to be back in 2-4 weeks? Using the IR to return may have not been wise with him, but I also think he wouldn't be eligible because we acquired him AFTER the deadline to declare the IR/Return player
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Is Turbin going to be back in 2-4 weeks? Using the IR to return may have not been wise with him, but I also think he wouldn't be eligible because we acquired him AFTER the deadline to declare the IR/Return player There is no deadline to put a player on that injury list. As others have pointed out, we put Hughes on the IR - DfR last year in October. Putting Gaines on the IR - DfR was dumb. There is no other way to put it.
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But why would you put Turbin on it if you could when he is only expected to be out 2 to 4 weeks and the IR/DNR requires a player to be out at least 8 weeks.
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Is Turbin going to be back in 2-4 weeks? Using the IR to return may have not been wise with him, but I also think he wouldn't be eligible because we acquired him AFTER the deadline to declare the IR/Return player There is no deadline to put a player on that injury list. As others have pointed out, we put Hughes on the IR - DfR last year in October. Putting Gaines on the IR - DfR was dumb. There is no other way to put it. Why was it dumb? Serious question. Is it because you think we should have stashed him on the Practice Squad?
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Is Turbin going to be back in 2-4 weeks? Using the IR to return may have not been wise with him, but I also think he wouldn't be eligible because we acquired him AFTER the deadline to declare the IR/Return player There is no deadline to put a player on that injury list. As others have pointed out, we put Hughes on the IR - DfR last year in October. Putting Gaines on the IR - DfR was dumb. There is no other way to put it. Why was it dumb? Serious question. Is it because you think we should have stashed him on the Practice Squad? Because one of our more valuable players will eventually get hurt this season. For example, let's say Paul Kruger breaks his big toe in week one. He needs to have surgery, he'll be out eight weeks. Wouldn't it be helpful if there was something we could do with him so we didn't have to use a roster spot to carry an injured player for that period of eight weeks? Instead he will likely be placed on IR and miss the entire season. Instead we will have our fifth corner back in week eight.
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But why would you put Turbin on it if you could when he is only expected to be out 2 to 4 weeks and the IR/DNR requires a player to be out at least 8 weeks. I wouldn't put Turbin on it. That was someone else's idea.
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Mike Pettine explains why Browns coveted Robert Turbin, moved on from Terrelle Pryor
Link Mike Pettine and the Browns front office didn’t want to risk losing a shot at bringing running back Robert Turbin to Cleveland. The Browns coach called himself a fan of Turbin, who played in all 48 games for the Seahawks over the past three seasons working behind All-Pro Marshawn Lynch. He became available Wednesday when he was waived from Seattle’s injured reserve list. Cleveland pounced with a claim and was rewarded with Turbin shortly after Thursday’s practice. “To me, the timing of it for us was we knew that there were other teams interested and that being where we were in the claiming order,” Pettine said after Friday’s practice. “We could have let him potentially clear and then try to recruit him and sign him or let him on his own but you’re competing with 30 other teams essentially for that. “We think enough of him that that wasn’t something that we were willing to risk, that ‘hey, we have a chance to get him here, let’s get him here.’” Over three seasons, Turbin ran for 928 yards with an average of 4 yards per carry. He also caught 43 passes for 427 yards and two scores in duty that also included work on special teams. Turbin has been sidelined with an ankle injury and his return date remains up in the air. The Browns currently boast two healthy running backs on their 53-man roster but have time to make transactions before Sunday’s season opener against the New York Jets. Pettine expects Turbin’s impact to be significant in a young Browns backfield when he returns to full strength. Running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery was a fan of Turbin’s when he was still a college player at Utah State, Pettine said. “He’s downhill. When you watch him play he is physical. You talk about playing with an attitude, that’s the way he is,” Pettine said. “When you go down the list of attributes what we’re looking for in a running back, and then also just the bonus part of it is the person that we’re bringing to the room – nothing but positive opinions on how he is in the locker room, in the meeting room, on the practice field – it was just a move that we felt was best for us.” With Turbin’s entrance, of course, came the exit of converted wide receiver Terrelle Pryor, whom the Browns originally kept on their 53-man roster “largely because of his potential,” Pettine said. “We viewed that spot as the 53rd roster spot and there was a lot of debate over it,” Pettine said. “Terrelle certainly has the ability to make the transition to receiver. We were hopeful that we were going to be able to have that time to do it, but that, to me, is viewed as a luxury. Given where we were when we looked at our running back room, given our circumstances and having always been a Robert Turbin fan, just admiring how he plays and the mentality he takes to the field, that was an opportunity that we felt we couldn’t pass up.” Pryor was hampered by a hamstring injury throughout training camp and was only able to participate in one game, the Browns’ preseason finale at Chicago. He did not have any targets and finished with two carries for 9 yards on plays that began with him at quarterback. “Will Terrelle Pryor be successful in the NFL at wide out? There’s a pretty good chance of that,” Pettine said. “But just given the timing for us, it just wasn’t right.”
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There are reasons some teams stay at the bottom and other teams either mover or stay at the top.
We have 4 TEs and a FB who could play TE.
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I would have dropped a TE to keep a possible very good WR that is to be sure.
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Mike Pettine and the Browns front office didn’t want to risk losing a shot at bringing running back Robert Turbin to Cleveland. It seems as the Browns waste no opportunity to sign a former Seahawk. Hopefully, this one pans out.
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Is Turbin going to be back in 2-4 weeks? Using the IR to return may have not been wise with him, but I also think he wouldn't be eligible because we acquired him AFTER the deadline to declare the IR/Return player Just to clarify, the Seahawks put him on IR. (out for the season) Turbin probably disputed it, and so they worked out a release agreement, where they wouldn't have had to pay his salary guarantees if he had gone unclaimed. As it turned out, the Browns claimed him, and thus assume his contract, letting the Hawks completely off the hook. Since Turbin was released from IR, he is no longer on IR, and is eligible to return as soon as he is able to play.
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There are reasons some teams stay at the bottom and other teams either mover or stay at the top.
We have 4 TEs and a FB who could play TE.
Brilliant!!! And the Patriots have 4 TE and 4 RB. Those dummies! Those moronic Seahawks have 3 TE and 2 FB! What idiots they must be! Those stupid Vikings have kept 4 TE and a FB too. Oh how ridiculous! Who would do such a thing?
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I like the idea we don't allow "numbers" to dictate all of our roster moves. At some point it is refreshing to keep the best players availabe.
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Is Turbin going to be back in 2-4 weeks? Using the IR to return may have not been wise with him, but I also think he wouldn't be eligible because we acquired him AFTER the deadline to declare the IR/Return player There is no deadline to put a player on that injury list. As others have pointed out, we put Hughes on the IR - DfR last year in October. Putting Gaines on the IR - DfR was dumb. There is no other way to put it. Why was it dumb? Serious question. Is it because you think we should have stashed him on the Practice Squad? Because one of our more valuable players will eventually get hurt this season. For example, let's say Paul Kruger breaks his big toe in week one. He needs to have surgery, he'll be out eight weeks. Wouldn't it be helpful if there was something we could do with him so we didn't have to use a roster spot to carry an injured player for that period of eight weeks? Instead he will likely be placed on IR and miss the entire season. Instead we will have our fifth corner back in week eight. So what do we do with Gaines then? Cut him and risk someone else picking him up? From what I understand, stashing him on the IR doesn't count against our 53 right?
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New England has Dion Lewis who Farmer cut. They also have Sheard, who Farmer did not want anymore.
Minnesota has Teddy Bridgewater who Farmer did not want. They also have Charles Johnson, who was not kept on the 53 man roster by Farmer.
They are not dumb. Farmer is dumb.
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New England has Dion Lewis who Farmer cut. They also have Sheard, who Farmer did not want anymore.
Minnesota has Teddy Bridgewater who Farmer did not want. They also have Charles Johnson, who was not kept on the 53 man roster by Farmer.
They are not dumb. Farmer is dumb. rubin is starting for the Seahawks
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New England has Dion Lewis who Farmer cut. They also have Sheard, who Farmer did not want anymore.
Minnesota has Teddy Bridgewater who Farmer did not want. They also have Charles Johnson, who was not kept on the 53 man roster by Farmer.
They are not dumb. Farmer is dumb. rubin is starting for the Seahawks So is TE Cameron for the Dolphins and Skrine at nickel for NYJ. But we get 3-4 additional picks in the 200 range of the next draft, where Farmer can draft his 8th CB he doesn't know where to stash or another TE he can straight IR. Smart guy, let starters go, draft cuts from other teams and draft more fringe prospects with their compensation. Farmer will again have the most picks to blow next draft. I'm not sure, but it seems he has lost sight of what all of this is for... If the Browns regress back to 4-6 wins, Farmer should be gonzo. At least then there's hope the new GM can do something with the picks he horded.
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These guys are good enough for the two Super Bowl teams, but not good enough for Farmer. Yep, he has us headed in the right direction. 
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These guys are good enough for the two Super Bowl teams, but not good enough for Farmer. Yep, he has us headed in the right direction. i am truly baffled. we bring in 30 plus year old players for more money and i dont believe any more talented then the 25 to 29 year olds they replace.
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New England has Dion Lewis who Farmer cut Like I said in another thread Dion was not even able to run full speed at the time we cut him. Getting rid of him last year was not a mistake IMO bro.
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Wow...so many experts...lol  Farmer is just dumb. Was curious if anyone was touting Dion Lewis in 2014...he was also let go by two other teams I believe???
He is perfect for their system. Unfortunately he is going to lose a lot of reps to Blount now. It will be tough for him to get any TDs also as Blount will be as they get close to the Goal Line. Oh and yes, I do know Lewis personally, not come over for dinner well. But talk football with him well. I hated to see him go...but now one game with the PATS and we are just dummies. Just like we were dummies when we let that RB go to the BUCS???
Johnson...Oooh we should have known that he was not going to last on PS. What is funny I remember the remarks that were made when we got him and his Knee.
As for as the decision to utilize on Gaines our one move for that luxury. 2, 4 if some relapse 6 weeks. We will be using Turbin as one of the INACTIVE guys while he mends. That is the stash place for that. And we always need to make that INACTIVE Decisions. So I don't know the bellyaching is all about except for a good reason to say DUMB. So we should have used it on Turbin? Have him gone for 8 games. When we might have him on game 3??? I know Dumb Dumb Dumb...
4 TEs and a FB - True last year we had 3 TE and a FB But as was noted there are other teams who go that route as well.
All these guys are super stars cause they look good on great teams. Its the system in PATs going into what year with the same O and same great QB. Vareen looked good in that system also. Is it the talent of the individual or the FIT.
I've said it before. Take our HORRIBLE WR Unit put it on the PATs with a year to gel and those guys would look like Super stars.
Gronk is the only special Talent on that team besides Brady...the rest are good football players that FIT...
They started 3 rookies on the OL and the kid I was pimping Shaq Mason at LG... Does that make me brilliant...lol
No its the freaking Patriots - Bellicheck is waaayyy more brilliant than a cheater.
No Farmer is not a Bellicheck - Bellicheck wasn't a Bellicheck when he first started btw...
For the most part...those complaining the most...didn't matter what we did with our roster. You would have been complaining how Dumb we are. Like how dumb we were last year getting Johnson WR from Green Bay I believe.
Man I hope we go against our History and kick ass in our opener. I can imagine the stampede in the street with torches...lol
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...and as I said in the other thread, Turbin can't run full speed either right now. Why did he pick him up?
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Like I said in another thread Dion was not even able to run full speed at the time we cut him. On the other hand Turbin wasn't even able to run when he came here.
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Dion Lewis was waived twice in his career:
Farmer was the first GM
Ryan Grigson, he who traded a 1st for TRich and knows RB talent, was the second GM
Good company...
Belichick probably picked Lewis up blindly just reading his waiver bio
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For the most part...those complaining the most...didn't matter what we did with our roster. You would have been complaining how Dumb we are. Like how dumb we were last year getting Johnson WR from Green Bay I believe.
I am one of the people complaining the most and I really resent how easily you belittle my opinion. You DESPISE when people do it to you, but you do it all the time. You have also belittled my opinion for years now. After all the times that I have been proven right, one would think that you might actually respect my opinion by now. But no...........you simply dismiss everything I say as if it doesn't have any substance. You wanna play that? Fine!
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Lombardi probably had something to do w/New England acquiring Lewis.
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Good point, he probably had to do with this. He does find value for little, as seen with Hoyer before. In a consulting role, keeping his ego down, he can work out for a team. The problem in Cleveland was that he got too much power, that's when his ego goes berserk
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You have also belittled my opinion for years now. After all the times that I have been proven right,Gee I never heard that before... and you also forget all the times I praise you in the future...but you are not ALWAYS correct.
Were you calling the Lewis thing back in 2014?
I've been right also...does that make you automatically wrong.
Guess what anyone complaining even those who use the spitball method on the wall have been right more than wrong regarding our team...cause we have not had success.
Why must EVERYTHING be a personal attack on you. If I disagree its personal. I get it you HATE FARMER sure there is obvious good moves that you would agree with. But we are talking about the bottom of the barrel which have no definite good or bad. I think its rather obvious that you will look at the bad...and guess what? I will look at the good.
Why take it personal. After I click on DJ so that you wouldnt do a Deniro..."You talking to me" Stop putting up your dukes after every exchange. I apologize if I put logic into my posts. I explain why I think the way I did. We all know that we were carrying too many WRs and I thought obvious that we were carrying too many DL. Patriots carry 4 TE, 1 FB and 5 WR. We were carrying 4 TE, 1 FB and 7 WR
No we don't have a Gronk...there are 31 teams without a Gronk.
But right away - Farmer is Dumb...you can't go and use the PATs picking up Lewis as a reason for Farmer being Dumb but ignore the fact that they are carrying 4TE and a FB. In your mind...you do not like Farmer.
He is nowhere as inept as you or DJ present him...DJ thinks only he is the competent GM for the Browns...ask him...lol
All this animosity to what we are doing is OPINION...not right cause you have been right in the past. Come on really that is your mantra...I'm always right.
Are you saying cutting Pryor was a mistake? Or is this just a Bash Farmer thread for you?
Guess what...until football is actually played, we rarely agree. Its not personal. Each year goes by we put those differences behind us. You go after posters who are positive. It doesn't mean me who is equal or even more positive means you are disrespecting me.
I watch your back not stab it, even if we don't agree.
I don't think anyone here, has the information at hand nor the staff to even come close to equal people like Farmer, Banner, Heckert...and I have given them all that respect. I don't see any wrong. I don't have to agree with every choice we make, gosh knows I haven't - I've stated in this thread actually up to me...I would have cut Carder and kept PRYOR.
But a take a step back and try to understand the big picture as that is what its about not the individual. Well Pryor is more talented athlete than this guy why are we keeping him. After looking at it - its how much this roster spot is going to help the team. Especially the Bottom of the barrell last 10 guys. The ones who contribute more on SPECIAL TEAMS have more value to us in 2015...not looking at 2016.
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...and as I said in the other thread, Turbin can't run full speed either right now. Why did he pick him up? Turbin is not going to be out long term and we have a open spot at RB that the front office thinks he can fill. Dion was going to take a lot longer to rehab last season and with West, Crow, and Tate last season we had no open spots at the start of the season.
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...and as I said in the other thread, Turbin can't run full speed either right now. Why did he pick him up? Turbin is not going to be out long term and we have a open spot at RB that the front office thinks he can fill. Dion was going to take a lot longer to rehab last season and with West, Crow, and Tate last season we had no open spots at the start of the season. he broke his leg the year before. he was already well.
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He was able to run around but he was not back at full strength or able to run full speed.
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Sorry to get off track I will be brief.
If I'm on the board a while...10 minutes sometimes an hour.
All of a sudden I reading and scrolling down...then POOF, my screen pops up to the AD that is on the page right after the Initial post. And I scroll down and before I get down if keeps popping up to the AD. Besides paying PPE money (sorry PPE just counting pennies here) how can I stop this? Please PM me for a solution as I don't wish to HIJACK the thread. Oh and I've eliminated my cookies.
Thanks in advance.
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...and as I said in the other thread, Turbin can't run full speed either right now. Why did he pick him up? Turbin is not going to be out long term and we have a open spot at RB that the front office thinks he can fill. Dion was going to take a lot longer to rehab last season and with West, Crow, and Tate last season we had no open spots at the start of the season. he broke his leg the year before. he was already well. he was just no where near ready last year, his leg was technically healed but some guys it does take a full year to get back into running shape, trusting that leg to hold when making those cuts. He wasnt there last year.
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Which is why I bet New England waited till Dec 31st to sign him to a future/reserve contract. They knew he wouldn't be ready to play till this season.
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Mike Pettine says Terrelle Pryor has a 'pretty good chance' of succeeding at WR but 'timing just wasn't right' Browns' Mike Pettine explains waiving Terrelle Pryor for RB Robert Turbin Berea Ohio -- Browns coach Mike Pettine still believed that Terrelle Pryor has what it takes to strike fear into the heart of a defense -- just not right now. "Will Terrelle Pryor be successful in the NFL at wideout?'' Pettine said Friday. "There's a pretty good chance of that. But just given the timing for us, it just wasn't right.'' Pryor, who missed most of camp with his strained hamstring, told Northeast Ohio Media before he left the building, "This will be a mistake by them.'' But Pettine stressed that "I had a very positive conversation with Terrelle; I'll leave it at that.'' Pryor cleared waivers on Friday and is free to sign with any team. Like everyone else, he was curious about what Pryor could do, "but we deal in reality, he wasn't healthy all camp. I have enough things on my plate dealing in things that actually happen. But the fact is that he wasn't, and he was not prepared at this point to be a viable, productive member. I'm not saying that he never will be, I'm very confident that he will be, knowing his work ethic, knowing his skill set. He will be. But it's timing and it's circumstances.'' He explained that Pryor's hamstring and his inexperience at the new position factored in, as well as the ability to add quarterback Austin Davis and running back Robert Turbin, who was claimed via waivers Thursday afternoon. Pryor was waived to make room for Turbin, a fourth-year backup running back from the Seahawks. "Terrelle was a guy that we held onto largely because of his potential,'' said Pettine. "We viewed that spot as the 53rd roster spot and there was a lot of debate over it. Terrelle certainly has the ability to make the transition to receiver. We were hopeful that we were going to be able to have that time to do it. But that, to me, is viewed as a luxury.'' Pettine said the chance to claim Turbin (5-10, 222) was too important, even though he has a high ankle sprain and will probably be out another month. The Browns have only Isaiah Crowell and Duke Johnson on the 53, and are expected to promote Shaun Draughn from the practice squad by 4 p.m. Saturday. He said Turbin will contribute more this season than Pryor would have. "Having always been a Robert Turbin fan, just admiring how he plays and the mentality he takes to the field, that was an opportunity we felt we couldn't pass up,'' said Pettine. "We understand that he won't be available for upwards of a month. That was something we were willing to deal with so, a lot of this league is about timing.'' He cited former Browns running back Dion Lewis, who started for the Patriots Thursday night and had 120 yards rushing and receiving. Lewis, who was still recovering from a broken leg and ligament damage last summer was waived by the Browns and ultimately picked up by New England. "You look at a good example, just last night in Dion Lewis,'' said Pettine. "Here's a guy that a year ago was less than a year removed from an injury, just physically could not compete. Couldn't run up to full speed and it took him a year out of the league. The guys that are here that know Dion are thrilled for him, knowing the kind of guy he is, that he's able to get back out there.'' Pettine said Pryor's departure was discussed with Browns general manager Ray Farmer before he started serving his four-game suspension Monday morning. "We spitballed a lot of possible scenarios that could happen, and that was one of them,'' said Pettine. He said no players had input in the decision. "Players don't make very good GMs,'' said Pettine. "So it was purely front office, coach.'' He said Pryor was labeled the 53rd guy on the roster the week heading into the final cuts. Pettine said it would be a "leap of faith'' to put him on the roster, and Pryor was told heading into final cuts that he was on the bubble. Pettine said Austin Davis getting waived by the Rams also factored in. The Browns signed him after he cleared waivers. "It looked for a time that we were going to add our quarterback onto the practice squad, but there was timing again,'' said Pettine. "We had a chance to add a player that we had positive reports on and a guy that we had done a lot of research on before. That potentially bumps another guy out, so it all gets factored in.'' Cornerback Joe Haden, who likes Pryor, took it in stride. "It's a business,'' he said. "It is what it is, the same way with Phil (Taylor), (Terrance) West. It happens. I've been here for a while now when Trent Richardson, (Brandon) Weeden, everybody, just being here for a while, being able to see how it is, you just understand the business of the game and how that goes down. I hope the best for T.P. We were coaching him up. "He's a great teammate, just trying his hardest, working to become a receiver, but it didn't work out for him here.'' Receiver Dwayne Bowe, who also missed most of camp with a strained hamstring, still believes Pryor can excel at his new position. "I think so,'' he said. "We had high hopes for him, a big body, very talented. You've just got to take the chance on him and work him in or work him out to get that opportunity, but in my eyes, he can play at this level.'' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...ncart_big-photoI have not seen this posted.. if it has been.. sorry.. please delete
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Mike Pettine says Terrelle Pryor has a 'pretty good chance' of succeeding at WR but 'timing just wasn't right' Browns' Mike Pettine explains waiving Terrelle Pryor for RB Robert Turbin Berea Ohio -- Browns coach Mike Pettine still believed that Terrelle Pryor has what it takes to strike fear into the heart of a defense -- just not right now. "Will Terrelle Pryor be successful in the NFL at wideout?'' Pettine said Friday. "There's a pretty good chance of that. But just given the timing for us, it just wasn't right.'' Pryor, who missed most of camp with his strained hamstring, told Northeast Ohio Media before he left the building, "This will be a mistake by them.'' But Pettine stressed that "I had a very positive conversation with Terrelle; I'll leave it at that.'' Pryor cleared waivers on Friday and is free to sign with any team. Like everyone else, he was curious about what Pryor could do, "but we deal in reality, he wasn't healthy all camp. I have enough things on my plate dealing in things that actually happen. But the fact is that he wasn't, and he was not prepared at this point to be a viable, productive member. I'm not saying that he never will be, I'm very confident that he will be, knowing his work ethic, knowing his skill set. He will be. But it's timing and it's circumstances.'' He explained that Pryor's hamstring and his inexperience at the new position factored in, as well as the ability to add quarterback Austin Davis and running back Robert Turbin, who was claimed via waivers Thursday afternoon. Pryor was waived to make room for Turbin, a fourth-year backup running back from the Seahawks. "Terrelle was a guy that we held onto largely because of his potential,'' said Pettine. "We viewed that spot as the 53rd roster spot and there was a lot of debate over it. Terrelle certainly has the ability to make the transition to receiver. We were hopeful that we were going to be able to have that time to do it. But that, to me, is viewed as a luxury.'' Pettine said the chance to claim Turbin (5-10, 222) was too important, even though he has a high ankle sprain and will probably be out another month. The Browns have only Isaiah Crowell and Duke Johnson on the 53, and are expected to promote Shaun Draughn from the practice squad by 4 p.m. Saturday. He said Turbin will contribute more this season than Pryor would have. "Having always been a Robert Turbin fan, just admiring how he plays and the mentality he takes to the field, that was an opportunity we felt we couldn't pass up,'' said Pettine. "We understand that he won't be available for upwards of a month. That was something we were willing to deal with so, a lot of this league is about timing.'' He cited former Browns running back Dion Lewis, who started for the Patriots Thursday night and had 120 yards rushing and receiving. Lewis, who was still recovering from a broken leg and ligament damage last summer was waived by the Browns and ultimately picked up by New England. "You look at a good example, just last night in Dion Lewis,'' said Pettine. "Here's a guy that a year ago was less than a year removed from an injury, just physically could not compete. Couldn't run up to full speed and it took him a year out of the league. The guys that are here that know Dion are thrilled for him, knowing the kind of guy he is, that he's able to get back out there.'' Pettine said Pryor's departure was discussed with Browns general manager Ray Farmer before he started serving his four-game suspension Monday morning. "We spitballed a lot of possible scenarios that could happen, and that was one of them,'' said Pettine. He said no players had input in the decision. "Players don't make very good GMs,'' said Pettine. "So it was purely front office, coach.'' He said Pryor was labeled the 53rd guy on the roster the week heading into the final cuts. Pettine said it would be a "leap of faith'' to put him on the roster, and Pryor was told heading into final cuts that he was on the bubble. Pettine said Austin Davis getting waived by the Rams also factored in. The Browns signed him after he cleared waivers. "It looked for a time that we were going to add our quarterback onto the practice squad, but there was timing again,'' said Pettine. "We had a chance to add a player that we had positive reports on and a guy that we had done a lot of research on before. That potentially bumps another guy out, so it all gets factored in.'' Cornerback Joe Haden, who likes Pryor, took it in stride. "It's a business,'' he said. "It is what it is, the same way with Phil (Taylor), (Terrance) West. It happens. I've been here for a while now when Trent Richardson, (Brandon) Weeden, everybody, just being here for a while, being able to see how it is, you just understand the business of the game and how that goes down. I hope the best for T.P. We were coaching him up. "He's a great teammate, just trying his hardest, working to become a receiver, but it didn't work out for him here.'' Receiver Dwayne Bowe, who also missed most of camp with a strained hamstring, still believes Pryor can excel at his new position. "I think so,'' he said. "We had high hopes for him, a big body, very talented. You've just got to take the chance on him and work him in or work him out to get that opportunity, but in my eyes, he can play at this level.'' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...ncart_big-photoI have not seen this posted.. if it has been.. sorry.. please delete What a clueless bunch of monsters with no plan at all who have already lost the locker room...ummm yeah...how about not.
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Pettine and Farmer knew that Pryor's story was a focus in the media and among the fans, the entire preseason. A lot of Browns fans were pulling for the guy.
Once Pryor made the cut down to 53, the comments coming from Pettine and DeFillippo about Pryor's potential and promise gave the impression that Pryor was being viewed as a valuable asset that the Browns could use...Pettine and Flip talked about the possibility of using Pryor in the Wildcat against the Jets.
On Monday we had Pettine talking about the need to see progress from Pryor and on Thursday we had DeFillippo saying, " He has progressed nicely."
...talk about sending mixed messages!
The criticism the Browns are getting for the way they handled Pryor is well deserved, IMO.
It's obvious that Pettine and his coaching staff are playing a game, using the media to spread their propaganda, in this case, using Pryor, talking a lot of positive BS about Pryor then cutting him for a guy who can't even help the team for 2-4 weeks.
From a players point of view, some have to feel like the Browns just used Pryor for the positive publicity and I doubt it sits well with some of our players. I know there are some fans that feel Pryor was used by the Browns and they never intended to keep him.
IMO, the Browns had no intention of keeping Pryor and should have cut him when they reduced the roster to 53.
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