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Whats it like to hate your coach?

In the past...I have seen on this board many people bashing

Forrest Gregg

Sam Rutigliano ( Ok...not so much people bashing these guys on this board...but as a kid I heard local Browns fans ripping them all the time...(Red Right 88)

Marty Schottenheimer ---CANT WIN THE BIG ONE....well he still has not won it...but the guy puts together winning programs everywhere he goes

Bud Carson ---This guy built the "Steel Curtain" yet found no love in Cleveland...well maybe because he built the "Steel Curtain"

Bill Belichick--- This guy was a PR nightmare....comes off cold on camera...during the Cleveland era...it was said more than once...guy is just a D Coord....now he has 3 rings as HC of the Pats

Chris Palmer--- Was handed the what was a High School all star team to try and compete in the NFL with....not his fault...but didnt help either

Butch Davis---Davis's poor draft decisions are said to have set the Browns back for years. Gerard Warren, William Green, and Jeff Faine.....Was it all Butch?

Romeo Crennel --- Tell me your thoughts....things seem like they are going in the right direction....but is Romeo the guy to see this through?


I ask because people keep asking me about Tomlin....and I realized...in my lifetime...I never had a coach I did not like in charge of the Steelers...Knoll, Cowher....thats it...thats the list...well...and now Tomlin...and so far...I have been pretty impressed with him..but until he starts winning games...its hard to tell.

HACK

I've never hated a Browns coach - disagreed with them, yes, but never hated. Now the front office personnel, that might be a different story. (No, not Philly Pooh)

I disliked two of them deeply, but never hated them. Okay, I was close on one of them.

I've always blamed much more than the coach, a lot of them got a raw deal. I've generally felt the F.O. was most at fault in many of the failures.

Forrest Gregg
I was a younger kid then so i don't know much about his time with Cleveland.

Sam Rutigliano
i was upset when he was let go. Might not have been the greatest coach of all time but one of the greatest persons of all time.

Marty Schottenheimer
I wish we could have kept him. My favorite Browns coach.

Bud Carson
Nice guy but he was probably in a little over his head.

Bill Belichick
Was a good coach but at the time he didn't know how to interact with the media and fans and handled the Bernie situation very badly.

Chris Palmer
Probably wasn't the best guy to be our first coach but he was given a raw deal.

Butch Davis
Loved it when he was named Head Coach but he treated the Pros like he was still coaching in Miami.

Romeo Crennel
Like him but i wish he'd show a little more fire on the sidelines.

i think romeo has a great defensive mind... he's great at getting his defensive guys to play the way you're supposed to... his track record proves that

but as a head coach... i don't think he's the guy to take us to the promised land, i don't feel great with him making decisions late in games, he's not bill belichik or mike holmgreen... those guys know what to do and when to do it...

belichik was terrible in cleveland, but he was also young, romeo is not young...

with that being said, if romeo is indeed asked to leave, i would love for him to stay and focus just on the defense...

i think if he gets canned this year, because the browns go 6-10, or 4-12, or whatever, he won't be going elsewhere for a head coaching gig, he's not the type of guy that needs to go and prove he can get the job done, he knows where his bread is buttered, and that is being a coordinator...

i would love to be proved wrong, and have romeo eventually take this team to the super bowl, but i just don't see it with him at head coach...

as far as the steelers go, i think they picked the right guy for the job, but he's also taking over a better situation than romeo crennel or butch davis did...

the debacle that was the browns was not all butch davis, but he deserves his fair share of blame...

During the season, I was pretty against Romeo.

My problems with his coaching style are:

- Lack of halftime adjustments.
- Blandness of gameplans
- A seeming inability to inspire/motivate (coming out flat game after game, which ive learned, is more difficult than it looks)
- Hesitancy to make a decision (firing carthon)

There are others i think, but they dont come to mind right now. But I've had issues with them, I've jumped the gun a few times on him, and wont do that anymore. But those are things I think he really needs to change, because i think he doesnt do those things well. If those things continue to be a problem though, I may be less forgiving.

I am ok with bad performances from bad players, but I dont like to see problems get exploited worse and not masked as the season goes on.

Its tough, if a team cant execute a vanilla plan, its hard to make a tricky game plan, and perhaps thats what Romeo was stuck with, So I don't know. I guess what I'm saying, is the jury isnt out imo now.

Hack, you are probably the most respected Steelers Fan that comes around to this board.. I swear, if it were anyone else, I'd call this thread smack. But coming from you, I suspect it's an honest request for info,,,

The one thing I'll say about all of these coaches is that they all had flaws.. but with the exception of Palmer, Davis and Crennel, they also had Art Modell..

He's the biggest handicap on the planet and to be honest, until what I suspect was Ozzie Newsome wresling the reins from him, Billick wouldn't have had any better luck....Otherwise, I doubt that Baltimore would have won anything either.

As for Marty,, look, he only got two shots at winning it all here in Cleveland. Once it was a fumble which there isn't any way that Marty could even remotely be called on the carpet for.. it was later, NOT HERE, but later in KC, DC and SD that it was thought that he couldn't win the big one. So I'm not sure the fans here hated marty... not when he was here anyway..

Belichick turned the fans off with his attitude toward them... That's what got him in hot water. He also cut our Favorite Son..... Kosar. That didn't exactly endear him to the fans either.

But let's be honest, he really did have the team heading in the right direction.. we could have been pretty decent in a year or two more, but then MODELL once again pulled the rug out from under the city, team and his HC... But Belichick was a PR nightmare...

Palmer was an after thought and I bet that if you sat down with knowledgable fans, you would find out that most of us didn't think (in retrospec) that Palmer had a chance at success with the Browns.. not with that idiot Clark running the show.... No chance with the players he was given to coach either. So it's not all Palmer.

Davis however is a different story.. This guy was arrogant beyond all reason.. Yes, he had a couple of rings from Dallas, yes he had some pretty good teams in Miami... and I'll give him credit for turning that program around down there as well..

But he was a power hungry dude man... talked out of both sides of his mouth, played favorites with the players, horrible choice of talent at the pro level...But this is gonna make some of you laugh,, he was an excellent game day coach from what I could tell.

But once again, part of the big problem was at the top of the organization.. Al Lerner was, by all accounts, a great man... a man of great wealth that had a strong understanding of people and how to manage them. Al's only real mistake as I see it was bringing Carman Policy in and then allowing Carman to bring in Clark..

Then when Al died, everything fell into the lap of his son, who IMO, wasn't prepared. ( to be fair, who would be). But Randy seems to be catching on. After running with Davis for a while, it probably became clear that he wasn't the guy.

Perhaps hiring Savage was the smartest thing he's done. I think it is! But that's JMO!

RAC is someone that, on a personal level, how could you not like him....he's like this big ole teddy bear.. you just want to run up to and pinch his cheeks or something... RAC is NOT a liar like Davis. He rarely tells the press (thus the fans) what he's really thinking. (frustrating, but probably smart)

Thus far his record sucks, but look at what he's had to work with. The team probably has more talent on it now than at anytime since he's been here.. at least on paper anyway. I think he had a good Defensive coaching staff but he made some serious mistakes on Offense with guys like Mo.. And he may have stuck with him a little too long... Hindsight is 20/20 as they say.

If indeed, some of the players begin to hit thier stride and start to become what they were drafted to become and produce as was expected.... then we should see a change in the W's and L's!

If that happens, this town will embrace him like Pittsburgh embraced Cowher and Noll..

OH,,, just in case this was smack,,, Cowher couldn't win the big one until a year ago either

Borderline Smack thread there SteelHack.

Lets make it simple...I don't care what club - Browns, Steelers, Jets, Giants.....etc.

You lose games - fans will bash the Head Coach.
You win games - fans will praise the Head Coach.

Its as simple as that.

Quite Frankly I hope RAC stays on for a long time and an In house guy takes over and continues the. RAC has shown that if its broke he will not stand in the way of fixing it. Ergo the Offense.

But I love him here with the D we will continue to get better talent and continuity with the Defense as many young players grow into it. But I've seen his game plans the guy is GOOD! Lost in our miserable season last year was us beating several Playoff bound teams and our Defensive game planning was excellent. And against probably the best O in the NFL we were in it. We just didn't have the talent to dominate and our O didn't move the chains. But he's the kind of coach that when we GET IN THE PLAYOFFS he will have one heck of a Defensive Game Plan for us to get to the next level. I'd hate for us to get rid of him prior to experiencing the Positives of what he can bring to us.

JMHO

I am one of those who likes guys when we win and doesn't when we lose.

Since we have been losers for a while, i don't like many associated with the team.

Doesn't mean I don't like them.

More ambivalent than anything else when it comes to coaches and players.

I like Crennel as a person, as a coach, like Braylon said, the jury is still out.

It's too early to judge him, we've had too many injuries and no offensive line, this year he gets to show what he can do, and he seems to have the respect of the players.

7-9 or even a good 6-10 or better record and I think he stays unless Cowher makes it known that he wants to coach the Browns.

One thing that does make me angry about Crennel is that he is horrible with the red flag, but maybe thats the people upstairs thats messing that up.

Hey, Hack....
Sunday, Sept. 9th, around 4pm... you'll know.

RAC is a Defensive Coordinator...and that's it...and that's all I've got to say about that...for now.

"I would stick with Romeo for at least another 2 years...no matter the record...."

So would I. And I believe so will Randy. It makes NO sense to plug in another coach and wanting his people and this and that scheme. All the talk of Romeo on the hot seat is HOGWASH for at least two more years. He's here unless he pulls a Butch on us .

I half mixed feelings on Crennel so-far but one thing is for dang sure....he needs his red-flag throwing privileges taken away....

I don't think the thread is smack at all.

Gregg.. eh....not so good of a coach.

Rutigliano.. I liked Sam a lot, a good coach, and probably one that could have / should have coached more in the NFL.

Marty... A great regular season coach. Been through 2 of the same scenarios with him. I honestly wish that the would get the monkey off of his back. I think in 04 he self destructed. I think in 06 the team self destructed. Not his fault, but it cost him his job.

Carson .. eh

Bellicheck... did not like him at all. Despised his handling of the Kosar situation. Still not a great fan, but he knows how to put together a team and win.

Palmer. Probably a good coach, hampered by a front office.

Butch (look at my rings) Davis. Absolutely hated him. Stil do. He flaunted his past way too much as an excuse for the poor effort of the team. Hated his draft choices. He set the team back several years. Worse of all, he quit on the team. He is a looser. Did I remember to say that I did not like him?

Romeo. I think the jury is still out. I also think that he needs to improve his in-game management. I also think that how he handles the offense will ultimately determine his future as a coach. We know that he is a pretty good defensive coodinator.

You know I think alot of the bickering about coaches comes from having a long history of winners and a pretty knowledgeable fanbase. but I think it got to a point where the fans in general felt like they knew more than the coaches. I mean if you look at it...we had some pretty dominating running games with Motley, Brown, and Kelley. So as the game evolved in the passing games, I think the Cleveland fans rebuked at some of it. I mean hey we had Gregg and Mike Pruitt...we had Byner and Mack. Even our QB's were not really guys that were considered the prototype QB with possibly the exception of Graham at that time. Sipe was diminutive, Kosar was slow of foot and a bad delevery...So I think part of the process is the Browns Fans used to "smash mouth, in your face, I am going to run it here and there isn't a thing you can do abouit it" football. Yes Paul Brown, had a real balanced attack...but we always had a superstud RB to start things off. Not too mention...finding coaches to follow int he footsteps of one of the greatest coaches of all time.....

I think Gregg and Sam had to battle that. I don't think that overall Sam was really hated. I think he had an over achieving team that fell apart on him while expectations were high.

Marty...I think we all loved Marty as well. But after Lindy Infante left(One of my favorite coordinators ever). Marty, a defensive specialist, decided he could coach the Offense. When that was marginally successful...Marty's ego was writing checks he couldn't cash with the fans or Modell. I don't think the fans hated Marty but the results of his Offensive leadership was just not showing well on the field...

Bud Carson....Well you know he never really made a connection with the fans...and he basically took a team that was nearing the end of their window of opportunity and dismantled it. Yes we made it to the AFC title game his first year, but unlike the other 2 AFC Title Games, we really didn't deserve to win that game much less be there. The team was then stripped of a lot of base players especially on Oline and we had nothing to replace it with. We went form AFC Title Game to 3-13. I think that was unacceptable to Browns Fans. Especially with a guy that really didn't seem to have any real connection to the fans.

Personally I liked Belichick. Frankly I didn't care one bit about what he said to the papers. I liked what he was doing on the field. I felt that he was wrong on Kosar. And he absolutely handled that situation badly....But aside from that I thought he was a great coach...I knew we lost something then. But like Carson, his connection to the fans was not very good. And then to say that Kosar was gone because of "diminishing skills".....Kosar was the hometown kid...He was Dan Marino had Pittsburgh done the right thing and drafted him...Kosar had magic and unbelievably many times created plays from nothing. He was more than special here. He was the city's #1 citizen. Think how you would have felt had instead of being relegated to 2nd back and short yardage situation....Cowher had dissed Bettis and released him...

Palmer....Frankly I am on the side that thinks he got the rawest deal. He truthfully told thae FO that we were at least 2 years away from a winning season and that did not sit well with Policy and company. I think people got on his case because as happless the Browns were....You can't show the "Why Me" look on TV... and just about every time the Browns saw Palmer He had hi head in his hands and he looked down and out the whole time. He sent bad vibes to the players and the Fans. He was perceived as a Glass is Half empty kind of person...But with the challenges that were placed in front of him...many would wither under that.

Butch comes in and at firat I think there was a lot of excitement. Because he brought a fire that the Fans had been looking for. I think things started to turn for Butch when he tried to take on too many duties. HC and GM....I think when we really started to get to know Butch more and more the more you saw things not to like....His drafts...the way he played favorites, not to mention mortgaging the future on a team that was more than jsut a few players away from real contention in the playoffs. Butch did quite a bit to hurt this team...not on purpose of course, but he had done more damage to this team than anyone including Modell.

As far as Romeo is concerned. I think at this point people are just fed up with losing...and we as fans are getting impatient. I think the Browns are percieved by many in the fan base to be about a year behind where the fanbase percieves they should be. And Romeo is target #1. Personally I like Romeo, I love that he doesn't really tell the press anything...LOL...I like his straight forwardness though when he does say something. I just think that the fanbase is just very tired of losing...I mean geez, we have become the Cincinnati Bengals for cripes sake....I think Romeo has done some things because of personel issues that can be seen as too conservative and you kind of combine all of that together and I think you start to see the criticisms.

And then of course I think some people just don't agree with him philisophically. Some think the guy has to have the tough look on his face 24/7 like a Ditka and then he has to really chew into players when they screw up. Personally I look for control of the team..Does Romeo have control of the team....form the practices I have seen as well as the games...I see that when Romeo talks...the players listen...and he doesn't have to go bonkers in order to do it....

Just my observations....

Living in Youngstown, halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh, and living here in the final days of Chuck Noll, I can tell you that there was plenty of "coach bashing" at that time.

I heard things like "the game has passed him by" ...... "it was his assistants who carried him" ...... "when he had the best player he could win, but put even with everyone else ..." and so on.

Winning coaches rarely feel the wrath of critics ... until they are no longer winning, or winning "enough" anyway.

I like Crennel.

I like his consistency, his straight-forwardness. Some people want a coach that will go crazy on the sidelines... I'm not one of them... save that for the coordinators. I like leaders that are level-headed and stoic despite the situation. I like his overall philosophy, that if you eliminate mistakes, can block and tackle, you're going to win football games. IMO, that's how NE won a lot of superbowls... just doing things right and eliminating mistakes... not relying on superstars or gimmick plays. Execute the plays correctly and eliminate mistakes...

One thing that's never mentioned on this board, but is a clear indication of his philosophy was the DRAMATIC reduction of penalties on this team when Romeo took over... (we had the 4th FEWEST penalties in both offense AND defense) it speaks directly to his coaching style.

I think he struggles with immature players, especially on this team with it's lack of real veteran leadership, but once he gets the players he wants, with the work ethic, maturity, and intelligence he's looking for, he'll develop a team that will remain a contender for YEARS..

Atleast... I hope so.

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Borderline Smack thread there SteelHack.

Hack, you are probably the most respected Steelers Fan that comes around to this board.. I swear, if it were anyone else, I'd call this thread smack. But coming from you, I suspect it's an honest request for info,,

Please NOTE that entire 2nd quote attested under ME as a QUOTE is FALSE JOURNALISM...I did not give you those props there as it is portrayed!

As mentioned I said Borderline as in the context and a subject matter that can give Browns fan an opportunity to BASH RAC if the thread took a turn that way. Intentional??? I don't think so you are a Welcomed guest here with a history and know the ordeal...but I said what I said and then proceeded to participate with the thread. If I thought you were a total Schmuck in the process I would have labeled it smack and left.

Back to the thread. Cowher bashers...sure as mentioned Lose and bash will happen even if Playoffs with failure to get in the big game was the process Cowher still got bashed! Now he's a genius...lol

Stability is key...and why I want RAC here...his age won't be a 10 year ordeal but I want the System's in place. His Camps or tops, His practices are well run, His 3-4 Defense is Good - His Offense is being placed in a Young Mind with good upcoming skills. I don't want disruption of the organization.

I have my own Brake Product (my Brand) - the Consumer all they know is DOES it SQUEAK? If not they shut their mouth but what they don't have a clue of and most Repair specialist don't is What else is in the product...Performance wise, materials. The Layman knows SQUEAKS and that it.

Same with Football in a Sense...we know - He loses RED FLAGs. We know We lost GAMES but what we don't see is how the INTERNAL organization is set up by RAC and is that a GOOD thing for the Kids to Learn or not! Is the environment laid out condusive for Progress and winning? I think so...I like RAC's organization as they go I think its a very thought out one. I want him to stay...I want the SYSTEM to be laid out and like anything slowly IMPROVED upon but not Drastically changed.

As a Division Rival...I'm glad the Steelers changed. Tomlin I'm sure is keeping the system laid out intact but is it HIS? Will it all click? Will the 3-4 or 4-3 prevail? Whats the use of hiring a Defensive guru type and then not let him Install HIS DEFENSE??? Just cause he's not a dolt and understands the 3-4...Doesn't mean his heart is in it 100%.

But I welcome the change of Leadership cause the opportunity to Dismantle now is great. Continuity was such a virtue of the Steelers good fortunes. With Cowher gone, Wisenhunt gone, Grimm gone...And the Defense put in LeBeau's hands not Tomlin's - I think is interesting...lol and will have some Doom possibilities for a change - something we have experienced too often here. I want a long Continuity Regime built off of RAC excellent foundational skills that he is giving us with Systems and organization.

JMHO

It has always been the front office hack.

The coaches just want to win.

I can only go back to the Palmer era since I was 7 when Modell stole the Browns away from us.

I could see myself being a Marty defender though, I've always liked the guy. Ditto w/ Sam because I've always been big on innovative offense. I'd probably like Sam more than Marty.

Bud Carson, from what I've heard, sounded lost. I don't see how a team who plays in the AFC Championship game one year can take such a huge plunge the next year, but keep in mind the Browns were just a bunch of orange helmets hitting each other to me at the time.

I remember everyone hating Belichick for cutting Bernie.

Chris Palmer just seemed lost, but given the middle school squad he had with poor drafting I can see why.

I liked Butch as a coach, tried to give him the benefit of the doubt with his personnel moves, but it's obvious to me now that he was a terrible GM. I truly believe Butch the GM killed Butch the coach. I could see him as a successful NFL coach had he had a quality GM backing him. I like his gameday decisions better than Romeo.

Romeo, he's a guy I really root for because he's a quality guy who doesn't blow smoke at us. I hope to God he's not in over his head, but there's things I see that he's done that didn't come as advertised. I thought we'd be seeing a more Patriot-esque defense, instead we're seeing the Parcells-type 3-4 D. Parcells' last tenure in Dallas proved the game's passed him by, but I hope that's not the case with Romeo.

IMO, there's no excuse for not seeing massive improvement from Romeo this season. If we look lost like we did last year, we can chalk him up as a failure.

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If we look lost like we did last year, we can chalk him up as a failure.

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This is where I depart from the masses,, I don't think we looked lost last year. (there were moments sure, but all teams have those). The problem as I see it from last year was three fold:

1. General lack of Talent especially on the Oline
2. Lack of creativitity on Offense
3. Injuries

Romeo can only work with what Savage gives him,,, and at that point, Savage hadn't had the time to really add enough talent,,,

I think, in hindsight, that Mo should have been fired and someone new brought in.. I think that lands on Romeo directly,,,

And injuries,,, well, what do I need to say.. they happen. With no depth, it killed us!

So if it were up to me, unless RAC loses total control of the players, he's gotta be here for this year and next.... JMO however

I'm with ya Daman. And I think the FO is too.

Daman,

don't even get me started on offensive play calling.....

Sweeps with a rookie FB on 3rd and 1.

Running the ball 1st and 2nd and throwing on third, EVERY SINGLE SERIES......


uugghhh I gotta stop there.

Personally,

I think that Crennel is the coach that will help the Browns close the gap and then move on. He'll get the team competing and doing well but not quite go over the hump. I am personally hoping that Marty comes back to Cleveland and coaches before he gets too old.

Oh man I know what you mean BpG,,, I know what you mean and I feel your pain,,,

Romeo can be, to an extent, held responsible for the lack of creativity on Offense. By "to an extent", I mean he picked Mo, he stuck with Mo.. I like that he's loyal and all, but sometimes you gotta cut your losses on a guy..

But look, as for him NOT interceding in the play calling (as some assert he should have) I think that is what men do.. They hire someone to do a job, they give them tools and support, especially when things aren't exactly working out as planned.... Then at some point, you have to say,, Ok, I've taken all I can. To me, that's exactly what happened last season when the end came for Mo....

I think that RAC knew that last year wasn't the year that they were going to contend so he was willing to ride a while with Mo to see if the ship righted itself... It didn't and as you all know, Mo was gone..... (RAC says Mo resigned, but I really don't believe that for one second, do you?) I know, last season when it happened, I said that we should all take RAC at face value.. if he says Mo resigned, then just accept it,,, I remember saying that,,, but hell, I didn't even believe it

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Romeo, he's a guy I really root for because he's a quality guy who doesn't blow smoke at us. I hope to God he's not in over his head, but there's things I see that he's done that didn't come as advertised. I thought we'd be seeing a more Patriot-esque defense, instead we're seeing the Parcells-type 3-4 D. Parcells' last tenure in Dallas proved the game's passed him by, but I hope that's not the case with Romeo.

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LOL.........sorry to pick on you, but you guys kill me. Is there a difference between the Patriot D and Parcell's D? Who designed both?

Look.........the Giants, Jets, and Pats never blitzed much and that is what you are upset about w/the Browns. You want the blitz. Well.......you live by the blitz, you die by the blitz. Gambling is for those who don't have enough talent and enough discipline to play fundamental football.

As far as RAC goes..........I have a couple of questions for you all.

1] If the Browns have as much talent as you all say..........why are you already pondering RAC's fate? Aren't you confident the Browns will win w/all that talent? *L*

2] If the Browns have as much talent as you say..............why are all the national writers ranking the Browns at the very bottom of the league? I mean......is RAC so bad that the Browns are ranked # 32 out of 32 teams just because of him? LMAO.

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The Steelers have a successful organization and coaching legacy respected throughout all of sports. The last 30 years have been the model of consistency with 2 ex-Browns running a great organization- Chuck Noll/Bill Cowher [if only the Browns had this same model]!

How about the years preceding Noll????
Aldo Donelli (1941)
Bert Bell (1941)
Walt Kiesling (1941–1944)
Jim Leonard (1945)
Jock Sutherland (1946–1947)
John Michelosen (1948–1951)
Joe Bach (1952–1953)
Walt Kiesling (1954–1956)
Raymond "Buddy" Parker (1957–1964)
Mike Nixon (1965)
Bill Austin (1966–1968)
Chuck Noll (1969–1991)
Bill Cowher (1992–2006)
Mike Tomlin (2007-present

Some teams have successful runs which last many years...some not so lucky. The Browns have struggled thru the lean years after the 1980s championship game let downs.
The Steelers went 23 years without a playoff win before the Noll era!!!!!!!!!

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If he's fired, with what you've seen from him as a head coach, can you see another team making him their head coach?

I can't.

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You may be right.. he is after all, close to 60 years old... so no, I don't see anyone offering him a job as a HC after he's done here... be it after this season or after he wins a SB as the Browns HC

But what I don't see is teams NOT hiring him as a HC because he's NOT good enough... I think he is,,, JMO however...

No matter what else is said or done, it comes down to talent, the Browns haven't had any.... NO coach could have made it much better with what he had to work with and I'm positive other teams can see that.

Here's an example,, if you go strickly by W and L results, NO way does Norv Turner get another job,,, same with Wade Phillps in Dallas,, yet, both are young still and both were successful coordinators.. so yeah, it took a while, but both got other HC Jobs,,

Turner has the toughest job in the NFL right now.. He's got a team loaded with talent, coached beyond belief, successful,,,,, and he has been brought in to take it the rest of the way.... He's in a Lose Lose situation,, if his team wins,, Marty will get the credit for it,, if his team loses, he'll get roasted for it... but yet, he got a HC job again...

So the question you ask, well, it just isn't that simple my friend,, it just isn't!

"As far as RAC goes..........I have a couple of questions for you all."

Well I guess I pass for "You All". One of at least.

1. "If the Browns have as much talent as you all say" ...Don't know exactly what that means when its for "you all" then talent as you all say???? Everyone has a little difference of opinion regarding talent. The talent is improved from each year. But a large base of it is Young Talent. So that takes time its not overnight and football has always been a TEAM sport so even the Influx of FA talent takes time to become a UNIT a TEAM in its systems and interlocking parts.

If I'm pondering RACs fate its because I understand the pressure the media can put on for change and it seems the media is demanding a certain criteria of W's for success and not the reality of the team just getting better in a upward graph of direction....for me thats enough to keep it intact but I know thats not enough for the media. Since I don't run things - I have concern where I have no control.

2. "why are all the national writers ranking the Browns at the very bottom" ...National media? They are a bunch of Bozo's and what they do is no criteria to judge the Browns. They go off of Last year's statistics they judge that progress from those stats are more than likely minimal and that is how they. They the Nat'l Media are Simpletons swayed easily - They feel if we use BQ and he has some success then they will get excited about us cause thats a Sexy pick for their keyboards and stories...according to them if we don't start BQ we are DEAD IN THE WATER...Simpletons. They ingnore the real important FACTOID of the 07 offseason and our Offense. Joe Thomas and Steinbach - Excellent, excellent matched OLman never seen before here in Cleveland together as a unit. Yes there will be some Gel time for them. But that is the real key to the Offense even if Frye is our starting QB!!!! Simpletons. So don't ask me to validate our season by their dumb ass predictions

Hope I answered your questions.

JMHO

Those "bozos" have been more accurate w/their predictions than all the geniuses on the Brown's boards.

With that said.........you really don't get why I asked those questions? You can't see the lynch-mob already forming around RAC's house? This team isn't ready to compete yet, and the mob will soon be blaming RAC for all the team's downfalls. Of course, if Charlie starts the season at QB, he will be the first to be blamed, but they'll soon move on to RAC.

Maybe Brown's fans should actually note how the Steelers have handled their head-coaching position?

That's the thing I never understood about this organization.

The Steeler fans would ragg on Cowher even more so than we rag on RAC, but Cowher never went anywhere...and hmmm they win!!!

As soon as we don't win ASAP, we fire the coach, like that is going to make a difference about the players on the feild.

Granted, I thought Butch was a total moron, and Chris Palmer was never qualified to be a HC, but why? Why do we run out coaches so quick?

"This team isn't ready to compete yet, and the mob will soon be blaming RAC"

I understand that and I believe I expressed that in my answer.

Media being right???? Well we've been bad pretty consistantly but they didn't get it right for right reasons. And because we have always been bad since 99 doesn't mean we aren't moving in the right direction. They go gaga over a team like the Jets who win with the easiest schedule in sight. If we do bad record wise it more than likely will be cause we are in a very tough division. But there might be a crease of room in there this season with some developements??? We'll see.

I understand your "You ALL" statement was probably not for me at all. I am optimistic as always but I'm not blind and out of touch of reality in my expectations. Actually the better we "REALLY" get the less I pimp the team positively and am cautious - A real sign that we are close

Maybe its because we hired bad coaches? Palmer never stood a chance, i dont know if he was good or bad, the 99 team would not have gone 500 in the big 10 or sec.

Butch lost the team with stupid decisons and the fans nor players respected him. it started with blowing the huge lead in the playoffs and then allowing the controversy between couch and holcomb to tear the team apart. Sad part we could have probaly built a power house if we had traded both after 2002 lol.


Romeo has done anything at all to show me he is capable of winning as an NFL head coach other than hiring Chud oo wait nevermind lol