I'd appreciate it if we kept this thread to griping. If we have any Xs and Os talk, I will start another thread to get back to griping.

--In a league of parity, there are only two teams who are not competitive, the Texans and the Browns. The Browns have five players in the top 100 and are supposed to have one of the most dominant pash rushers in the league. 3-7.

--It's important to be competitive at all times, even if you are missing your star QB. It's a culture and expectation thing. What if Watson gets hurt in week 1 next year? Does that give Stefanski another pass for a 3-14 season? Come on people, expect more. When do the excuses stop?

--The Bills made 50 yd FGs look routine. The Browns cannot execute a 32 yd FG. When do the excuses stop? Are we really waiting for Watson to fix the culture, lack of leadership, and poor coaching that is plaguing this team?

--Is Jeff Saturday a better coach than Stefanski?