Let me preface the following by saying. "I highly doubt it."

Aaron Rodgers is going to make a decision about playing. He stated that he will not be part of a rebuild.

He knows the Packers are in cap hell negative $38 mil. Davonte Adams is a UFA. He will be 30 in 2022.

Rodgers also said he is still highly competitive and knows he can play at the highest level.
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Would Berry and the Browns be willing to go all in for two years to try to win a Super Bowl?

Sign them both on two year deals.

Make no mistake Rodgers should win the MVP. He is for sure one of the greatest to play quarterback.

We have a window with some key guys Chubb, Hunt, Myles, Bitonio, Teller, Ward, Jarvis (maybe). Some of the younger guys like JOK, Newsome, Wills will be around for longer maybe.

There are no quarantees in football. However, adding those two guys automatically puts the Browns in as a SB contender.

Just trying to find out opinions. A topic of conversation for this time of year and the circumstances.
I read were the odds were 5: 2. that Rodgers could come to the Browns.

People in hell want ice water.

you can wish anything you want, it is not going to come true.

Why would the Packer faithful buy into such a deal? Would you?

It is the silly season.

The packer faithful do have a thing to say about it.

They both are free agents. Free do as they please

Rodgers is not a free agent.

Adams will be franchised.

Some seem to think Aron roggers would win a super bowl in a browns uniform, but just like OBJ, they wouldn't have their best years in their careers if they put on a Browns uniform. People wish it to be so, the browns could win it all if they only had some other guy who the media propped up for the last several years, but the media and the league are against Cleveland, it wouldn't be the same love fest with Rogers if rogers signed in Cleveland.

Officially he is UFA in 2023 but there is financial pressure on GB to move him in 2022.

It seems like after last year that they came to some "agreement" about options for 2022.

GB needs to shed millions to get under the cap. I don't think it is a given that Adams will be franchised.

Rodgers sure acts like it is his decision to do as he pleases.

Trying to promote a "discussion". I guess that is a problem. It seems like many don't want a discussion.

I read lots of criticism, and attacks, very little discussion. I guess that's the way it is.

As you said, I doubt it.

You mentioned some reasons on why he might want to come here. True, but there are reasons why he won't.

I think people are more willing to have a realistic conversation, not necessarily one solely based on, to quote the title of your thread, "fantasy" with very little value in doing so.

There is plenty of conversation going on in thread relating to the offseason.

I don't know all the details of the Rodgers GB saga.

Just listening to his remarks it sounds like "the decision" is his. He sounded like things at GB have smoothed out regarding his clash with the GM.

At the same time GB is in cap hell. That may prompt a rebuild because in 2023 he is a UFA. Then consider GB's position.

Rodgers is 38. The team will be unable to sign FA's. They will have to make a number of financial moves. Rodgers contract this year is heavy $27mil.
Adams will be 30.

He is a UFA. A franchise tag on him will cost them major money. They drafted Jordan Love in 2020. They must consider life after Rodgers.

Rodgers stated clearly he does not want to be a part of a rebuild.

The Browns have cap space. They have a good number of core players. They have a good defense that can improve.
The Browns have a good OL and great runners.

They can add receivers.

Adding Rodgers to the Browns puts the Browns in contention for a SB.

My real question is more about would Berry be interested?

Is he more of a long term player rather than going short term on a all in strategy?

I rank Rodgers destinations as follows (other than GB):

1. Denver
2. Pittsburgh
3. Miami

If we're operating in fantasy-land, my QB choice would actually be Russell Wilson, not Aaron Rodgers. I question our ability to make the most of Rodger's immense talent. He needs to be somewhere that operates a wide open passing attack. That obviously isn't what we run, and I question KS's willingness and ability to make such a drastic change to the O. Maybe if I had the feeling that Rodgers wants to go to an offense where he's not the primary driver, but I don't get that at all from him. Wilson, on the other hand (and IIRC), had his best years when he was handing the ball off (a lot) to Lynch. I know he's older, but he's due for a rebound after some injury-filled seasons. He's also the prototypical passer for this O (has more than enough arm, and can find and hit open receivers). He's a finished product, and would bring a consistency and reliability to the position that we haven't had ever (well, we have, but then we'd be going back to before I really watched any football... back when I was in middle school. Yes, he's older, but I think he'd be just fine behind our Oline. Getting him, I think, would also help our WR corps as his accuracy and consistency would allow our passcatchers to show off more of their abilities and should improve our drops metric.

In terms of fantasy FA moves, that's really it. The only other things I'd put here is the FO taking the 'L' on Hooper, moving on from him however they can and putting money into Njoku and getting a third guy (either more of a blocker or a 'Njoku-lite' that needs development... or both... we find things for our TEs to do).

I have no idea what will happen with Rodgers.

Denver? Same division with the Chiefs and Chargers hard path to SB.

Steelers? Great defense but the DC and GM retired. Tomlin a great coach. But the Steelers have never been a quick fix team. They have always been a team wanting to build through the draft and compete long term.

Miami? Just fired their head coach. Over taking the Bills is a tall order.

GB still owns him however, he has lots of pull. If he says I don't want to play in GB. GB has to consider trading him.

What team would offer the best deal? What would it take?

The Colts seem to be over Wentz. Their owner is a flake and would be the type to offer a load.

The Saints, Vikings, and Washington are "in the market" for a quarterback. Washington picks 11th in the draft. They may take the first qb in this years draft.
The owner is a ***. Who knows what he will do?

Teams with the most draft capital like the Jets and Giants are in rebuild mode.

Rodgers to Cleveland is a difference maker. The Bengals and Ravens are good but they don't have an iron grip on the division.

I’ll include GB in my rankings:

1: Green Bay

2: New Orleans (great defense, offensive weapons, easiest path to SB is staying in the NFC and this division, especially if Brady hangs it up).

3: Denver (Lots of rumors about the Broncos as a landing spot, not sure why he’d want to go to a division with Mahomes and Herbert in his way or if Super Bowl is the goal why he’d go to the AFC in general with Mahomes, Allen, Burrows and Herbert all in his way). Sure it’s closer to CA, but private jets can get you anywhere relatively quickly.

You are certainly correct with Rodgers not being a FA. But any way you slice it he holds all of the cards here. He was discussing retirement last off season and used it as huge leverage then. It's his ultimate leverage. I see no reason he wouldn't use it again now. I mean if you think of it from a strategy standpoint that's his ultimate bargaining chip. I'm not a fan of how Rodgers handles his dealings with Green Bay, but that's the way it is none the less. I mean if Rodgers said, "Trade me or I'm retiring", what would you do? Let him walk and get nothing in return? So I understand that what you're saying is correct but there's certainly no doubt Rodgers holds the ultimate say here.

When it comes to franchising Adams, that's a little more difficult if Rodgers stays. If they keep Rodgers and pay him what he's owed, along with futures contracts they will be over 48 million over the cap going into 2022 and about 52 million over after signing rookie draft picks to their contracts. Rodgers alone is a 46.8 million dollar cap hit for 2022. If he is cut or traded he will have a 26.8 million dollar cap hit.

https://overthecap.com/the-future-for-aaron-rodgers-and-the-packers/

I'm not saying it would be impossible to keep both Rodgers and Adams in Green Bay for 2022, but if it is possible, for the life of me I can't figure out how Green Bay could ever keep both without totally gutting the rest of the team. I think that's exactly why Rodgers made the comments that he did in his post game presser. He knows at the very least it will have to be a partial rebuild for Green Bay to ever get down to the cap if he stays and gets paid.

As far as the thread and the possibility of "both of them coming here" I find the odds of that being slim to none. And right now none has s substantial lead coming into the home stretch.

Rodgers walks to his beat. He knows GB is hamstrung.

Would he take less money so they could pay others to remain in GB?

My take on Rodgers is. He knows he can play at high level. However, at this stage for him it is all about winning a SB.

I don't think he is chasing individual records. He will enter the Hall of Fame.

Where can he win a SB? Then it is about who would trade for him?

He could end up looking at the GB roster and think. "We are not good enough."

Then tell GB "trade me or I retire." If GB can not trade him "to his list of teams." He may retire.

I think often times as fans we don't see that to everyone from officials to coaches to players, the FO and everyone in between this is a career. I mean let's even look at this "hometown discount" thing we hear so often. While it may be true that some athletes take a little less to remain with their current teams, how much would it cost for them to relocate and how much stress does it place to pull your children out of their schools and relocate them? How much does the fact your family may wish to stay where they are play into that decision? All factors are taken into consideration.

Athletes put their families and careers ahead of all else as it should be. Their careers could end suddenly and for the most part they will never have the earnings potential they have as players.

Correct.

On a side note, OBJ took his $750,000 salary from the Rams in Bitcoin. I was reading this morning, somewhere, that he has to pay taxes on the $750,000. Between Cal stat taxes, and Fed. taxes, that took almost 51% of his income. With the drop in bitcoin recently, the article said OBJ made about $35,000 for his time with the rams. (before playoff bonuses, etc)

Now, granted, the guy has made..........???? $50 million or more in his career, so he's not hurting for money - or shouldn't be anyway.

Just a side note.

Yeah, I believe it was from Darren Rovell

If it doesn't correct, he could owe money? lmao, karma.

I listened to Rodgers on some show.

He sounds like he is ready to retire.

He said last year during the off season. He did not participate in any off season programs. And going forward that is what he would do again.

Also he has no retirement fear. That he had a taste this past off season and he was good with it. And in some ways he could see being happy about moving forward.

It all sounded like retirement talk.

He said Adams is not big on the franchise tag. Hard to see how GB would pay Rodgers and Adams.

He will find out what the GM plans are to handle the cap. If he sees to many key players leaving.

IMO he will retire.

I don't doubt what you're saying, it's just really hard to take anything Rodgers says at face value.

OBJ also made a career move. Taking a less for half of a season to greatly improve his value moving forward. There's no doubt that his TD's with the Rams and how well he is doing with the team will make him much more valuable moving forward going into his next contract. And he still got paid about 4.25 million from the Browns for his time with the Rams. That was what they were still on the hook for after he was cut.

Browns converted significant amount of Odell Beckham’s remaining salary to a roster bonus, due next week

Thus, if he’s claimed on waivers, he gets the remaining salary and the roster bonus from his new team. If he becomes a free agent, the Browns are on the hook for the remaining salary but not the roster bonus.

It’s believed that the roster bonus is in the range of $3 million, which would put the salary in the range of $4.25 million.

If claimed on waivers, Beckham gets it all from his next team. If unclaimed, he gets his remaining Browns salary (but not the roster bonus) plus whatever he gets from his next team for the rest of 2021. And he breaks even if he gets the amount of the roster bonus as salary from his next team.

As the source explained it, Beckham took the deal because Cleveland could have converted the balance of his remaining salary to a signing bonus, reducing his base salary to the minimum and making it much more likely that he’d be claimed on waivers by a team for which he’d rather not play. That was, at the end of the day, the leverage the Browns had to get him to agree to a structure that will help the Browns save some money.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-salary-to-a-roster-bonus-due-next-week/

I'm not convinced that OBJ didn't dog his way out of here.
I see all of the crazy one-hand grabs he's making for L.A., yet he inexplicably dropped what seemed like every damn ball that hit him in the hands here, and I have to think he "played" his way out of here every bit as much as he used outside voices.
He showed up, he said all the right things, he appeared to do all the right things, but he also was clearly working on getting out of here the entire time, too.

I'm really not trying to convince anyone one way or the other. I'm simply trying to point out there's not an obvious answer. As you stated, "I'm not convinced". I'm not surprised you see it that way. But one has to consider, why would he purposefully create a situation where he would be a worth a fraction of his value on the open market? Suggesting that he undermines his own career and value is a possibility but just doesn't make much sense.

I would be more of a mind to believe that his frustration and lack of being used effectively here had more of an impact in his play than anything else. I'm not trying to say which one of us is right. I'm just saying there's two sides to this coin and it isn't as cut and dry as some wish to make it out to be.

I am glad he is gone. It did not work for whatever reason.

One thing that really put me out was the first game. All I heard, read, and seen from his workouts was how great he looked.

He did not participate in many team workouts. He was left to go at his pace.

Then the first game he decides he was not ready?? I was like "what?"

His play on the field was inconsistent. The whole saga with his father. Please. Bush league.

Because it serves multiple purposes for him with near zero downside:

It gets him out of here and to the team of his choosing all along - L.A.
It's on record that he never wanted to be here, despite the reunion with Jarvis.
It's on record that he tried to get out the moment he got here and never stopped trying.
He knew there was zero chance of him getting traded for given his contract and his high-profile and perceived value, so he needed to get released and he knew he could absolutely never get released if he did what he can do so effortlessly.
If he caught everything that came his way like he can, and is once again showing, his value would FAR exceed any little bit of outside drama his cohorts could cook up on TweetFace, thus doubling down on him not being traded for OR being released outright.
Diminishing his value on the field by just going through the motions was his ONLY play to get where he wanted, and yes, to your point, I think his "frustration and lack of being used effectively here" completely fed into that, even though his own actions fed THAT. A snake eating its tail.

Once released, taking a one year deal gets him to the open market while riding high in an Air Raid offense all while being in glitzy, glammy Los Angeles with the paparazzi crowd he covets.

I'm not saying that this is definitely how it went down, BUT, I am saying that it would be a very hard sell to 100% convince me it wasn't.

I think you're more believing the rumor mill than anything else there. Do you really think an NFL player thinks he will be traded four days after he is traded to a team? I sure don't. Some people either don't understand sarcasm or twist things for their own gain. I think Glazer is one of those two if not both. I'm rather surprised you put that much stock in his statement. But I do agree he didn't want to be here and I really don't blame him.

There's no possible way that OBJ knew if "how he acted" as you put it would end up getting him traded or cut. And there's certainly no way he knew that out of 31 other teams in the NFL that he would land with L.A. with the Rams. For all he knew the Jaguars be the only team to call his agent and the Rams would never call him. Once again you seem to think he "knew he would get released".

I understand why you believe what you do. As I said I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. One fact people that believe as yourself seem to try and avoid like the plague is that we had the second most open WR's on pass plays and Baker wasn't finding them. I never see people that believe as you do point to the possibility that may have been a very big problem as to why our WR's did poorly. Because if you care to look at it, our other WR's didn't seem to up to the task this year either. Even Bakers "go to guy" Higgins was dropping balls and having very poor outings. If it were isolated to OBJ your argument would be more convincing to me. But something had a very negative impact on all of our WR's. And none of that changed when OBJ left because we "weren't better without him" as many claimed we were.

I don't view people stating 1st-Hand information as "rumor mill" material. Go back through things, the reports that have come out have been "He asked me" and "He told me", not "a source says".

That doesn't allow for whether Glazer twisted something being said in jest or in a sarcastic manner as being a serious inquiry. If you consider everything OBJ does as being in his own self interest, it seems rather odd that you don't think someone like Glazer does. In fact we know sportswriters and those in the sports media do it all of the time. You've just chosen to believe that it didn't happen this time.

OBJ bad..... Glazer good.

I'd say that there's a wealth of other evidence to support OBJ never wanted to be here. You choose to ignore it. That's closer to the simplest and most obvious and most probable 'truth'...

Without all the other stuff - creating this notion that suggests OBJ said something in jest might be plausible.

You have used the seamless integration of OBJ into the LA offense as basis to validate that he's a good and talented WR who works hard and questioned how he would risk hurting his value by not giving 100% . . . yet you've never addressed how a Pro WR with a full offseason and preseason went through an entire regular season with the Browns not knowing where to line up. I've watched 3 or 4 LA games now - not once seen OBJ line up in the wrong place.

Previously I stated I didn't know if Glazer was respected as a reporter. No-one has commented to suggested he's another MKC type that reports on questionable stories or non-stories... so I did a quick google search and found these two articles. One from 2008 one from 2020. Both with the same foundation that Glazer is a quality reporter that deals in facts and not 'rumors' :

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/87023-jay-glazer-is-the-best-sports-reporter-in-america

Digging deep down to get all of the facts, he never leaves anything under reported at all.

In addition, he simply does not report on stories that dozens of other writers are working on as well.

He goes out and he finds the stories most of the time.

https://www.sportscasting.com/nfl-i...s-passions-into-an-impressive-net-worth/

Jay Glazer is considered the most connected sportswriter and broadcaster in America. Over the course of a nearly 30-year career reporting on the NFL, Glazer has developed an extensive network of connections and is responsible for being the first to report on more breaking NFL stories than the average person can count.


I'll take him at face value over someone deciding that he created a story based on something said in sarcasm/jest.

He most definitely is.

I am not sure how a person is an NFL fan and doesn’t know who Jay Glazer is.

There's no need to account for twisting words. There's nothing to twist that you aren't yourself trying to twist.
No, you've chosen to ignore the piles of evidence and documented actions in favor of whatever hill it is you're trying to die on.
Glazer has nothing to gain by making a comment about OBJ, and actually stands to lose in that some players may think twice about saying things to him, now.

Harping on the PFF stat that the Browns had the "2nd Most Wide-Open Receivers" and ignoring that the PFF top-rated receiver the Browns had was Landry and he was rated 73rd in the league is looking at it with blinders on. Pointing the blame at a single person and ignoring the weakness of the WR's that were the bottom-dwellers of the league is just plain bogus. The negative impact on the passing game and the receivers is directly related to the injury of the QB that made some throws much more difficult than others - open or not, the massive amount of injuries to the offensive line, and first and foremost the scheme being played and the lack of real game experience to build a rhythm and chemistry with the WR's in the passing game. I believe the number was 8 drops this year but those drops seem to always happen in critical situation but you don't reference that as an issue. Another thing I noticed was the inability of the receivers to make the tough catch to help their QB. Tom Brady says he never reads his 1st, 2nd or 3rd option - that he knows where he's going to throw before the ball is snapped. Maybe if Mayfield had confidence in our receivers getting separation (ha, when they're on the field), Baker could be throwing to his primary route.

You really need to get off the "most open WR" kick because that's only a small part of the issue the Browns had on offense. Baker has his part but there's many other issues that need equal or greater attention.

Who said that?

That's right. They didn't. You and Pit - joined at the hip it seems. Grats.

My bad. You didn’t say that.

No problem. I know who the talking heads are - and I know who I like - I just have no way to know if they are trusted/credible when it comes to a slightly controversial story/take. As the years go by I pay less and less attention to them anyway. I guess I like the NFL Network and will sometimes watch their "Good Morning Footbaall" - Nate BUrleson and Peter Schrager are good and obviously Kay and Colleen are always worth watching!

It seems that Glazer has a 30 year history of being a very trusted and credible insider .... I do not believe he would jeopardize that to create a small story that only really impacts Browns fans regards OBJ. Just me.

Keep in mind who you are replying to. He'll never stop.

I actually said the exact same thing in my previous post just above your response to me. I don't see how this quote from me would indicate I'm ignoring that he didn't want to be here.




And I'm saying that anyone actually claiming OBJ thought someone like Glazer could somehow get him traded after only being here for four days are trying to connect dots that do not exist. The fact OBJ didn't want to be here does not suggest he was serious in his question to Glazer. It's far more likely that was a tongue and cheek joke than anything.


I've addressed it but you obviously didn't care for my response. Every one of his team mates said he was a good team mate and a hard worker. As for why he had a hard time learning where to line up all of the time here when everyone said he was applying himself and working hard I really can't explain. I do however think those claiming things like "he didn't know where to line up" and "he lined up wrong all the time" are exaggerating how much it actually happened.

The job opening is still available. Nothing to add to the thread. Just stalking.

You do realize that Glazer reported exactly what was said to him right? I never heard him describe the context or whether it was said in jest.

And since we're bringing up points that weren't addressed. And not to you specifically, why would anyone believe that OBJ knew he would end up in any better of a situation than he was here? I understand that he didn't want to be here, but why would he think that a team he wanted to be on would come after him? The Rams were actually set at the WR position when they signed him. They didn't "need" a starting WR. As luck would have it Woods was hurt one day after the Rams signed OBJ. When OBJ was signed there wasn't even a starting spot open for him.

OBJ certainly wouldn't have had the role he has now if Woods would have remained healthy.

For all he knew the only team or teams that may have rang his agents phone could have been the likes of the Jet's, the Jags, the Giants or the Lions. It probably would have made more sense for a team capable at making the playoffs to have called but at that point in the season it wouldn't have excluded a lot of teams he wouldn't have wanted to be on either.

Once again I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm just showing there are a lot more ways of looking at this than the path some have chosen to take.

And yet a Youtube video posted by his dad was what got him his release. I don't think the "maybe Jay Glazer can help me" angle sounds so crazy.

I don't believe OBJ thought Glazer would help get him traded after 4 days here.

I DO believe that he asked for "assistance", in the "hey, let people know I don't want to be here" way. you know, write an article or 2 or 3. Get that thought out there.

But the story was already out there.

Odell Beckham: Giants traded me to Cleveland 'to die'

Published: Aug 20, 2019 at 05:16 AM

"This wasn't no business move," he told SI. "This was personal. They thought they'd send me here to die."

https://www.nfl.com/news/odell-beckham-giants-traded-me-to-cleveland-to-die-0ap3000001042993

This was reported on Sports Illustrated, NFL.com, NBC Sports and many other major media outlets.

That probably proves my point: he didn't want to be here. He wanted yet another reporter to put it out there. The more the merrier.

Not that I care enough to hop back into this... but what are we even arguing about anymore?

-That OBJ didn't really want to be here?
-That it could've affected his performance here?

So you're saying that after every major sports venue had already put it out there, that Glazer putting it out there would have more impact?

And I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove since myself along with everyone else and their brother already knew he didn't want to be here.

I think the only real difference is some people make it out to be some kind of plot and some simply don't think it was nefarious.

There is one caveat however. When looking at the entire WR core as a whole, it seems even a guy like Higgins "performance was effected" during the season. Before and after OBJ left. He certainly didn't look like Baker's "go to guy" that people claimed they saw in the past. I don't think anyone would seriously try to contend that Landry looked like his normal self either as a whole over the course of the season.

While I certainly won't disagree that you may very well have a point, there was something much deeper going on here.

You argue just to argue. Sad.

I thought that in the end that would be all you really had to say. Every major sports magazine and media outlet had covered the story but somehow you think adding Glazer to the list would have made a difference. Well, you do you arch.

Again, one more wouldn't hurt, would it?

YOU are the one saying Glazer misrepresented. YOU are the one saying everything was wrong. YOU are the one saying he's playing better in LA.

Damn, folks, you can't make this stuff up.

I'm not the one saying it would hurt. You're the one claiming it would help. Or that somehow OBJ believed it would help after it had already been splattered all over every major media outlet. I said it seems more likely than not to me that Glazer was misrepresenting. You have added nothing to substantiate otherwise. You haven't shown how that would "help OBJ" as you first claimed. Now you've boiled it down to "it wouldn't hurt would it?"

Are you saying he isn't playing better in L.A.? Do you think that's only "because he didn't want to be here"? You can't claim that an injured QB who was very inaccurate for all but two games of the season wasn't a huge contribution to the lack of productivity of ALL of our WR's. Or can you? Trying to place all the blame for OBJ doing poorly on the excuse he "didn't want to be here" makes no sense. Either Bakers injury was a big part of the reasons our WR's looked so bad this year and he wasn't accurate because of that injury or not.

Claiming it was all OBJ's fault is claiming that playing with an injured Baker for 15 games is the same as playing with a healthy Matthew Stafford. It's not and that's a big part of the difference we're seeing.

So your debating point has shifted how many times during this conversation? I lost count.

I see you have decided to forego addressing the points I made in my past several posts. I'm not really surprised.

When you make different points in every post, it's hard to keep track. You came right out and said that Glazer reported second hand information about OBJ, and it was proven to you that he reported OBJ spoke to him directly. You were absolutely wrong, yet you continually try to change the argument so that you appear correct.

He doesn't get it. It's like he thinks no one reads or remembers his posts. This, then that, then the other.................he's made this place intolerable. Watch what happens next.

LOL. Have you ever addressed the fact that after an offseason, preseason and then throughout the year, OBJ never learned the playbook and didn't know where to line up? If you did I sure missed it.

The biggest thing about OBJ is that here he was expected to be the #1 receiver. When he signed with LA, he was meant to be their #4, but moved up to #3 when Robert Woods was put on IR. #3 is a lot easier, and has much easier coverage, than #1 does. (by far)

Lamenting over OBJ is useless. Move on, the past is behind us, and the future in front of us.

Thus happens to be a thread about the future…..

And no, Rogers and Adam’s are not in the future.

I don't remember what his argument was in the last page... and I'm not going to go back, re-read, do a gap analysis, and then type out a response.

Yep, you missed it.

Yet another case where you have nothing of substance that adds to the thread and making it about me. I really live rent free in your mind.

I'm not surprised.

Your explanation about OBJ has one serious miss - OBJ requested the trade in the late spring early summer before anything happened to Mayfield. OBJ missed most of 2020 so what was his basis for demanding a trade - it certainly wasn't because of the #5 rated QB in the NFL at the time. It couldn't have been the first 2 games where Mayfield completed 75% against KCC and over 90% against Houston before he got hurt. Surely OBJ couldn't have complained about that - OH WAIT - that bum wasn't even playing in those games! You keep harping on the PFF open receiver article but totally ignore the other PFF rating grade that didn't have a single Browns defender in the top 64 (Landry was best at #73). That couldn't have been the reason for OBJ's antics since he requested the trade almost 5 months earlier. Look, I get it that you don't like Baker and that's ok. If you're going to rag on him though, please use the real facts.

You really need to work on that quote thing.

Using SpoTrac's free agency list, by position, and factoring in productivity and age, I don't see much in the way of WR, RT, LT, or TE that may interest us, BUT, I do see a few options at DT that we may consider.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/defensive-tackle/all/


Quinton Jefferson might be able to be pried away from Las Vegas. He's kinda inconsistent, which is probably why he was in Buffalo for only one year and was in Las Vegas on a one year deal, too, but he makes plays and hits the QB. At 29 years old, he's just under the mark and is probably young enough to get a three year deal, which that alone may be enough to lure him.

B.J. Hill from Cinci - I don't know much about him, but in 16 games he had 12 QB hits and 6 Sacks, which puts him up with some of the best names available. SpoTrac expects he'll be pretty cheap, too. At 27, he's in the sweet spot with age.

Taylor Stallworth, Indy, age 27 - 12 QB Hits, 3 Sacks.... totally a 2nd tier rotational guy, but I think we can find a spot for a guy like him, and he'll be super cheap.

Larry Ogunjobi - he's still on the younger side, and he's been VERY productive for Cinci. He may want to come back to northern Ohio, but with the success Cinci is having, perhaps he'll prefer to stay in Cincitucky.

Allen Robinson WR Chicago would be my Fantasy Free Agent. I think if the Browns really want to fix the WR position they could easily fix that position by signing the 6'3 Robinson and then draft Traylon Burks the 6'3 WR from Arkansas. With DPJ at 6'2 the Browns could provide Baker with some tall targets with a large catch radius. Robinson and Burks are also physical players that can support the dominant run game blocking on the outside, have run after catch ability, and can go deep and catch 50/50 balls when guarded one on one.

Sheldon Richardson is a free agent this year. He is 31.

I wonder if the Browns would try to bring him back?

It could happen. We need help at DT. Malik Jackson age 32 was on a one year deal. McDowell is in deep trouble.

Togiai and Elliott are young and are developmental players who may or may not develop.

My guess is they will again look to free agency at DT with short term deals.

WR FA acquisitions are going to be really really interesting. Berry has shown an almost disregard for the position to date - whether it was believing we had better or because he thinks WR is less of a difference maker in the KS offense - I don't know.

But the guys that I like - Robinson would be one - do not fit the Berry mold at all. They are not young, they aren't uber talented guys that have run afoul of bad circumstances. . . . maybe DJ Chark or Michael Gallup *might* fit that sort of description (young with potential) .... but they are pretty big risks.

Robinson would be a great signing. If we lost Landry - replacing him with Godwin would probably be a wash, maybe more upside.

Regarding Jarvis.

I am a fan of Jarvis. I love the attitude he brings. He plays hard and is a great team leader.

If the Browns cut him before June 1st they save almost $15m.

He is 29. His contract is up after this year.

Money doesn't talk. It screams.

I don't think will keep him. He would have to take way less. I do not see him doing that.
Jarvis could go out and get his money on a one or two year deal.

Berry can use that money to get someone like Chris Godwin. He will be 26 in Feb.

That is the business of football. Younger, cheaper with the potential of a higher return in production.

2 of: Mike Williams, Braxton Berrios, DJ Chark, por favor.

I don't know that Berry has shown a disregard for WR's. In the draft thus far you may have a point but as it pertains to the FA market he was burdened with a huge cap hit at the WR position since he's been here. It would have been hard to allocate much more $$ to the position with the cap hit of OBJ and Landry combined. I certainly look for investments to be made with OBJ's departure. If Landry also leaves that investment may be huge.

So you basically agree that in the draft he has basically disregarded WR ? And he hasn't signed any notable FA WR's ... So reasonable, as a very general statement, to say that to date Berry has seemed to have almost disregarded the position, yes? I agree with you entirely on the cap hit and why he hasn't signed any WR free agents .... but that doesn't change the current situation AND the types of (better) WR available in the FA class vs the types of player Berry has previously signed.

It should be a fun offseason. If Berry does half as well as he did the last draft class, we will be significantly better next year.

The Athletic / Dan Brugler early mock has the Browns taking Treylon Burks, WR, Arkansas in the first round - a sort of Debo Samuel clone. I never saw him play, have not seen tape - but from what I have read, he sounds dynamic and NFL ready.

I'm saying that with the massive amount of cap space allocated to the WR position between OBJ and Landry it's easy to see why he wasn't signing FA WR's. I think we can agree that the WR position has not yet been addressed on his priority list. Anyone who looks at the draft strategy can see he addressed what he saw as more critical parts of the team and worked to address those issues over his first two years in the draft. I guess you must have missed the part where I said "in the draft thus far you may have a point". Thus far, with Berry being strapped with the contracts of OBJ and Landry, I think that is why he hasn't signed some of those "available WR's" you speak about.

Dear Lord man.

The last time he was in position to do anything he had Landry and OBJ, both healthy. He had a Higgins that should've had a playoff touchdown.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-free-agent-rankings-free-agency

PFF top 100 free agents

FA's?

Jesse Bates III from Cincy or Terron Armstead NO I would be interested in but I doubt either hits the market

jc

watching the SB right now just made me remember how dumb it was to let sheldon richardson go. wish we can get him back.

Richardson played his ass off for the Browns in 2020 and they asked him to take a pay cut. Would you come back?

i dont know bro. i just wished it wasnt even a possibility cause he'd still be on the team.