I thought this deserved it own thread

Jacoby a Brown
Probably the as good as Keenum but a little bit better fit.

Cheaper version of a backup qb.

There are better but the cost is probably ok.

I would think we would splurge a bit for a better back up seeing he might get playing time at the beginning of the season.

Good enough. Keenum would have been fine with me as well.

I like this guy as a back up. He has a lot of experience and is not horrible.

Not horrible I guess thats a bar

He’s probably a tad more like Watson than Keenum is I guess

Wasn't this the guy they brought in after Luck.... I seem to remember he sucked... I could be wrong however,,

Keenum was a decent QB.. He ran Stefanskis offense pretty well I thought. with the possibility that Watson gets a suspension, I would rather have him than Brissett.

Brissett is miles better than Keenum. Andrew Berry is having himself quite the past couple days.

I like this signing. Brissett has decent mobility as well as a live arm. I wonder if they are bringing him in because they plan on tweaking the offense to use Watson's athleticism. Having a backup with some of the traits the starter has makes a lot of sense. No need for a separate offense.

FWIW Brissett is probably even better than Baker.

Jacoby Brissett!!!! Oh no! (like adding a ferris wheel to an amusement park)
(whirring sound getting louder) <------ what is that sound,
Jacoby Brissett, who is decent but not for, --- Wins!!

Signing Jacoby Brissett ---- I think they have Officially leaned forward on the stick and aimed the nose directly toward terra firma!

(whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)
(( analytics? Had enough yet?? ))

Agreed...my thoughts as well. Brissett has regressed the more he has played, and showed why he's a back up...I remember him having a good showing with the Colts a few years back. But watched him with the Dolphins, and he really was throwing ducks out there. But like you stated, probably a more cost effective backup with the same athletic makeup of Watson.

I suspect that is it

He has very similar career numbers as Baker.

I like this acquisition. Imagine a 6 game suspension for Watson, and the Browns are 6-0 with Brisset.

Imagine one they are 0 and 6

don't have to imagine... saw the 0-16

I don't think that will happen. The team handed the ball off enough to win 8 games last year. If Brissett played like Baker they could do the same thing and still win at least 2 out of 6.

Baker > Brissett

Barely

Baker >>> Brissett

Baker Mayfield 92 TD to 56 Int 14,125 yards, 61.6 comp % and QBR of 87.8

Jacobt Brissett 36 TD to 17 Int 7,742 yards, 60.2 comp % and QBR of 83.0

It is close.

It doesn't necessarily mean anything, but he did play with Will Fuller last season.

It's hard to find many of his recent throws/games without getting NFL game pass. Not sure if I want to do that again after how lousy it worked the last time.

The numbers don't tell the whole story. He has some solid highlights, but also has some lowlights. I need full games if I'm going to try to fill in the bigger picture, though.

Just looking at his "best" season in Indy from the team's gamelogs, it looks like he dealt with a fair bit of adversity. TY Hilton, Paris Campbell, and Marlon Mack all missed multiple games. Those were supposed to be his top 3 weapons in 2019, and he was hurt himself a couple of weeks in the middle of the season.

I think he should be a capable fill in if he's able to lean on our running game.

Have we gotten the contract details yet?

Jacoby Brissett kind of makes me think of a slightly better Deshaun Kiser. Well maybe a lot better coz Kiser was flat bad.

I think at the point in their careers, Brissett is an upgrade over Keenum ... I thought Keenum was god awful when he played and really struggled to throw the ball with more than about 12-15 air yards.

Bissett is better than Mullins - and we could win with Mullins. Not over an extended period but a few games we could easily go 50-50 with him.

I like this move.

Brissett is probably as good as you can get for a backup at the price. Plus, he’ll have a small role with a short yardage package

Historically,

-->Baker throws an INT every 34 attempts.


-->Brissett throws an INT every 71 attempts.

j/c…

I think we all know why you can take bakers stats last year out of the comparison conversation

At least the Browns now have one QB on the roster that will be available for all 16 games barring injury.

I feel much better about our QB room than I did 3 days ago

This is my thought as well. Allows us to implement the offense we want for Deshaun with someone that has a similar skillset.

We don't know if NFL will suspend him....but, we have similar QB for backup.....Good Job by FO....GO Browns!!!

Maybe I'm just repeating what you're saying, but I do want to emphasize. I hope that KS makes significant changes to his O in light of the change at QB. I know that's a captain Obvious statement, but he wasn't really using Baker to his strengths, at times.

I agree... I like the idea of being a run first or run heavy team, but it just seemed like he never used it properly. He'd give up on the run when it was working, and force the run when it wasn't.

I'd like to see us be a little more balanced, but show that we can do either and use it against the defense they are showing us.

And for the sake of all sanity, can we stop with the bubble screens, and 3-4 yard passes, on 3rd and 15.

Can you imagine if KS ruins Watson.

Just a snippet.....

I also liked the part where Stefanski showed Watson how he could improve and critiqued him. That’s important IMO

Yet after that his people made it plain Watson wasn't coming here. Then they handed Watson the checkbook.

Get REAL, you state KS didn't play to Baker's strengths......IMPLYING he wanted him to fail....Baloney...Baker played like Baker plays- good, great, then he sucks and after he threw a pick decided HIS job was to tackle.....WRONG. I'm glad we traded for an adult, even if he needs to stop going to massage parlors- Go Browns!!!!

Come on now. Had Baker NOT tried to tackle the guy, people would be griping about that. Unfortunate thing, no doubt. Just as when an O lineman gets rolled on his leg/ankle, etc.

KS made some real questionable calls/strategies, from leaving our rookie RT 1-1 with Watt, to removing elements of the passing game that Baker seemed to thrive in (rollouts... yes, there was the injury but Baker was also executing sneaks/dives at times... so I dunno), and moving away from the run when the run is working.

I never stated nor implied anything he did was to ensure Baker failed. I, like many, have wondered aloud about strings of playcalls... and within the premise of this thread I don't think he has any wiggle room now that he has Watson running the O.

Didnt Rodgers say he couldn't believe the positions KS was putting Baker in?

Yep, on the Mannings MNF show.

I'm not trying to say that it's all KS's fault. I'm just saying it's not 100% X-person's fault. A lot of different people took criticism that all can stand on its own.

Stefanski's playcalling wasn't the only issue, but IMO he needs to do much better now that he has all the pieces of a dominant offense.

With potential at C and TE...a RT at LT and a presently-broken RT along with exactly (1) legit, NFL-cailber WR. We have (2) very good Gs, (2) very good RBs...and a top (x) QB on this offense...I won't fall for the "dominant" designation just like I didn't at the start of last year.

I'll highlight that I think more of DPJ than most (if I'm reading things correctly). I think he's a weapon so long as he's not our #1.

I like DPJ too...I should have put him in with the other (2) "potential" guys.

I don't believe he has yet earned such praise. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But you may wish to hope they don't go into the season as DPJ as the #2 WR. I'm sure that's Watson's hope.

[It's hard to find many of his recent throws/games without getting NFL game pass. Not sure if I want to do that again after how lousy it worked the last time.

The numbers don't tell the whole story. He has some solid highlights, but also has some lowlights. I need full games if I'm going to try to fill in the bigger picture, though.]


Here are stats from 2021 where Brissett played the majority, if not all, of the game:
[img]https://ibb.co/b5sR1QZ[/img]

Here are links to the full replays of those games:
https://nflreplay.net/buffalo-bills-vs-miami-dolphins-19-sep-2021-replay-full-game/
https://nflreplay.net/miami-dolphins-vs-las-vegas-raiders-26-sep-2021-replay-full-game/
https://nflreplay.net/indianapolis-colts-vs-miami-dolphins-3-oct-2021-replay-full-game/
https://nflreplay.net/miami-dolphins-vs-tampa-bay-buccaneers-10-oct-2021-replay-full-game/
https://nflreplay.net/houston-texans-vs-miami-dolphins-7-nov-2021-replay-full-game/
https://nflreplay.net/baltimore-ravens-vs-miami-dolphins-11-nov-2021-replay-full-game/

Yeah, I get it... I agree we could definitely do better than DPJ at #2. I just think it's not the end of the world if we don't... especially if Cooper IS the guy that's going to draw double-teams.

While I'm not accusing you of this, many posters claimed that our WR's were weak overall. There were times that OBJ was double teamed. At times Landry was double teamed. I'm also not saying that Cooper isn't more deserving of being double teamed but it's not a new situation.

FWIW, I thought our WRs were going to be bomb.com last year.... shows what I know.

IMO, if we've truly got our #1 WR all set (dude with talent that will also work well w/in the O), then the rest should shake out fine, especially with a QB that's going to be more accurate and hit the open guy.

In 2020 Watson had Brandon Cooks and Will fuller. His #3 was Randall Cobb. You can take your pick of the first two. DPJ is no Cooks or Fuller. Watson wasn't relying on just a #1 WR and hopefuls. Hopefully for Browns fans he won't have to in 2022.