The hype train is smoking. Hard Knocks is taping.
Aaron Rodgers isn't tripping anymore.
Old Aaron did a deep dive into his psyche. Ayahuasca is a powerful hallucinogen. Maybe his trip pointed to his path with the J E T S.
So now every football show begins with the Jets and then of course the Cowboys.
The Jets ended with the same record as the Browns. The Cowboys did the usual nosedive in the playoffs.
Aaron is now looked upon as the NY savior. Mmmm. The Jets first four games are Bills, Cowboys, Pats, Chiefs. The 2023 Jets OL is ranked 23rd by PFF.
The Bills defense is ranked second. The Cowboys first. The Pats 6th. The Chiefs 17th.
Mmmm I smell trouble.
0-4 And the Walls Came Tumbling Down.
they have a lot to live up to ... if they don't make the AFC title game it will be a failure. I think their OL seems to be a question mark, which would concern me too.
Plus as you mentioned ... the tough schedule!
They will not have a good season. O line is a problem.
Aaron is for sure one of the best to play quarterback. I have total respect for him as a qb.
Aaron will also turn 40 in December.
I have seen bad OL play humble the best including Brady and Peyton.
The Jets do have a good defense. So, if you can hold a team down. You don't have to score as much.
However, Those first four teams can score.
Kinda funny. The Jets had the same record as the Browns. They have a new 40 year old QB. Their OL is ranked 23rd.
The Browns qb is starting his second season with the number two ranked OL. DW is 27. The Browns have Nick Chubb. Chubb helps the passing game because of how good a runner he is.
The Jets receivers are Garrett Wilson, Allen Lazard, Corey Davis. Wilson is real good. Lazard and Davis are average.
The Jets might be a playoff team. They also might not be a playoff team.
I don't see them as having a better chance than the Browns.
It seems as though you're trying just as hard to diss them as the media is doing to hype them. Things that make you go hmmmmm.....
I didn't get that, he has no more or less disdain for Rodgers as any other NFL fan. Dude definitely marches to the beat of his own drum. As the "Aaron Rodgers Experiment" goes, so will the Jets.
It's a two year plan. There is no " _______ or bust" this year. They've put themselves in a very good place to be competitive. Hype draws an armchair cross-examination by fans of any sport. What may serve them well is the area where the Browns failed so miserably -- dealing with the hype-machine while still doing the hard work and staying prepared.
I don't know, Rogers has a track record that shows he's more than hype. When you combine that with the fact they've added a lot of talent in the WR area and already have a stout defense I think there's far more reason for optimism than we had when the Browns were being hyped. Actually I put them in the same category as the Browns this year. Both teams have legitimate reasons to think this year will be very good. Sometimes people build teams up without legitimate cause to do so. For the that's what hype is. And sometimes people have legitimate reasons why they believe teams will make a huge step forward. For me that isn't hype at all.
My point was not to dish them. All I did was point out their schedule and the ranking of their OL.
Then displayed the ranking of the defenses of their first four opponents.
The media is hyping them as playoffs or a Super Bowl team?
Maybe they will be all that. But they might not be all that.
I honestly do not see them as having any more of a chance than the Browns.
Sure, there is plenty of substance behind the hype. I'm not questioning whether they are worthy, just looking at "hype" as the role it plays in the media... "extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion". In this case it provoked Bone to look at the front of their schedule and surmise that they better be ready out of the gate. I don't think that really matters, and the "walls would not come tumbling down", even at 0-4... could get ugly though... and Rodgers' mouth isn't always his best friend.
Hopefully the Peruvian ayahuasca trips put him in a state of zen that will withstand the NY media if things go sideways. 🤣 I don't expect to see that, I expect they will be plenty competitive straight out of the gate.
Bottom line is they have more than enough talent to play better than that... and Rodgers is a Mt. Rushmore candidate. On the flip side, we've seen an awful lot of recent QBs go to their new home with a pro-bowl-or-better pedigree and still take a while to iron things out. We'll be watching year two of another interesting 'experiment' in Denver, one that seems to not be going well at all.
Rodgers is a great quarterback. First ballot HOF.
However, he will be 40 in December. Age catches everybody. You don't bounce up. Soft tissue injuries linger.
It gets harder to recover every week. He was contemplating retirement for a reason. You feel it in your bones.
Their OL ranking is for real. They are not that good. You can be humbled quickly in the NFL.
They are not a sure thing.
My point was not to dish them. All I did was point out their schedule and the ranking of their OL.
Then displayed the ranking of the defenses of their first four opponents.
The media is hyping them as playoffs or a Super Bowl team?
Maybe they will be all that. But they might not be all that.
I honestly do not see them as having any more of a chance than the Browns.
These same thoughts were made about the Bengals in the past few years.
Rodgers's better years in Green Bay came with a good OL. There is a good argument to say Aaron struggles.
If you are a fan of the game, this season is must see!
Hey bugs, good to see you.
I'll be curious to see how the Jets do. My BiL is a Jets fan, from Long Island, so I hope that they flop, if not for the sake of revenge after what happened last year.
I think that the Jets have to get off to a successful start or things will go south very quickly.
As far as his age, I just turned 40 myself. Back in my 20's I felt invincible. Nowadays, I'd probably go downhill pretty quickly if I got hit enough times by young, fast 300 lb dudes. I imagine that Rodgers is the same way. That OL has to keep him upright.
Frankly, whatever happens with the Jets means nothing to me.
It sounds like from the media that they are a lock. There are a few teams that might fit the "lock" description.
IMO the Jets are not in that position.
Hey bugs, good to see you.
I'll be curious to see how the Jets do. My BiL is a Jets fan, from Long Island, so I hope that they flop, if not for the sake of revenge after what happened last year.
I think that the Jets have to get off to a successful start or things will go south very quickly.
As far as his age, I just turned 40 myself. Back in my 20's I felt invincible. Nowadays, I'd probably go downhill pretty quickly if I got hit enough times by young, fast 300 lb dudes. I imagine that Rodgers is the same way. That OL has to keep him upright.
True, but Rodgers is in good shape and conditioned to being hit. My best recall is you are in pretty good shape, but you didn't strike me as a rugged person, so indeed, for most of us "normal" people, we start a decline a 35-40. You job doesn't require you to work out 3-4 hours a day. You spend your day at your desk, reviewing, amending, or drafting contracts, or whatever it is you do that requires your trained legal eye and mind.
With the rules as they are, there is no reason why a QB can't play in to his mid 40's if he is good enough. That said, I don't consider anybody a lock. All sorts of things can happen to derail a season. Things can also bounce a teams way, they catch fire and come out of nowhere.
LOL...on a personal note, had I met you some years later I might not have called you Lover...I might have said McLoven!
Just trying to have a laugh my friend. Nobody else is going to get it.
I just think this was all to be expected. Rogers is a first ballot HOF'er and along with that goes the publicity and attention. It was the same with Tom Brady before he retired and Rogers is just the next in line.
I just think this was all to be expected. Rogers is a first ballot HOF'er and along with that goes the publicity and attention. It was the same with Tom Brady before he retired and Rogers is just the next in line.
Right, but Rodgers might have a little more left in the tank. He might have 3 more years at a fairly high level.
Then again, you never know. Bodies age at different rates. It's all in the genes. That is why fairly healthy people kick the bucket at 66 years old and others at 101.
You just never know until it plays out.
That's true. I was speaking strictly in terms of all the media focus and attention.
Hey bugs, good to see you.
I'll be curious to see how the Jets do. My BiL is a Jets fan, from Long Island, so I hope that they flop, if not for the sake of revenge after what happened last year.
I think that the Jets have to get off to a successful start or things will go south very quickly.
As far as his age, I just turned 40 myself. Back in my 20's I felt invincible. Nowadays, I'd probably go downhill pretty quickly if I got hit enough times by young, fast 300 lb dudes. I imagine that Rodgers is the same way. That OL has to keep him upright.
True, but Rodgers is in good shape and conditioned to being hit. My best recall is you are in pretty good shape, but you didn't strike me as a rugged person, so indeed, for most of us "normal" people, we start a decline a 35-40. You job doesn't require you to work out 3-4 hours a day. You spend your day at your desk, reviewing, amending, or drafting contracts, or whatever it is you do that requires your trained legal eye and mind.
With the rules as they are, there is no reason why a QB can't play in to his mid 40's if he is good enough. That said, I don't consider anybody a lock. All sorts of things can happen to derail a season. Things can also bounce a teams way, they catch fire and come out of nowhere.
LOL...on a personal note, had I met you some years later I might not have called you Lover...I might have said McLoven!
Just trying to have a laugh my friend. Nobody else is going to get it.
I love it dude!
That was the home opener in '07! We got blown out that game. Charlie Frye was pretty much traded after the first half. I was 24. Oddly enough, I'm in better shape now. Just completed "The Murphy" workout yesterday. Back then, I was not yet married, living it up in a semi-college lifestyle while I was still in law school. At around 36, I realized that I wasn't invincible anymore and that I needed to take care of myself if I want to be around my kids for a while, especially given my family history and my inherently large frame. That all being said, yeah I'm sure Rodgers is stil in way better shape than I am and he's conditioned to the sport, obviously. Still, can't be as good getting hit these days for him as it was back in '05 (also where the numbers in my name come from since that's the year I graduated).
Man, what I'd give to meet up with the crew again at a game...
I just think this was all to be expected. Rogers is a first ballot HOF'er and along with that goes the publicity and attention. It was the same with Tom Brady before he retired and Rogers is just the next in line.
Right, but Rodgers might have a little more left in the tank. He might have 3 more years at a fairly high level.
Then again, you never know. Bodies age at different rates. It's all in the genes. That is why fairly healthy people kick the bucket at 66 years old and others at 101.
You just never know until it plays out.
That's true. He hasn't shown any decline so far. He may go the route of Brady and play into his mid-40's at a high level, he might go the Drew Brees route (hopefully not) and still play at a high level, but get injured AF, he might go the Manning route and suddenly have a steep decline in arm strength, or anything in between those.
it won't surprise me either way with them. They could light it up and Rodgers gets magic going ... or they implode and go like 5-12
Best QBs in world can't perform if they are on their butts- PLUS, he's already hurt his calf, 40 year olds don't come back as quick as young players.....trying NOT to be a homer, Browns have way better chance than Jets.
I’m not worried about the dog-ass Jets. We have other stuff to worry about.
That was the home opener in '07!
Wow...16 years. Goes to show how the days can be long, but the years can be short.
I know life can change things, but Cleveland isn't that far away. There is no reason why you can't go to a game now and then. You might need to find a way to blow off a Monday, which by now you should have the ability and time to do that now and again
A few of the old guard still hit the lots and the nature of evolution finds a way to fill in newer faces as the old ones begin to fade away for one reason or another.
I don't get there at 6am anymore. I don't even go to the lots every time, but I still get down there a few times a year. If you go, and I am going to that game, I would certainly make it a point to stop by.
Keith Richards is 79.
I made a pledge to myself. No way Keith outlives me. That would not be fair.
He has spent his adult life poisoning his body with drugs, alcohol, and smoke. And he is still playing rock n roll.
Sounds great! I need to get up there this year for a game. I'll probably bring my 11 year old with me.
Best QBs in world can't perform if they are on their butts- PLUS, he's already hurt his calf, 40 year olds don't come back as quick as young players.....trying NOT to be a homer, Browns have way better chance than Jets.
While that's true some teams compensate for that with the quick plays. Then there's the fact they now have Dalvin Cook in the backfield. You can't sell the farm to sack the QB when you have Cook carrying the rock.
And what we haven't seen is if watson will return to form. As much as people like to make predictions about it, that's still a big unknown. Rogers is a lock to be a first ballot HOF'er. I wouldn't go selling him short just yet. As of now the calf injury doesn't seem to be anything that will hamper him.
I live in NJ, about 30mins from met life stadium. Know more Giants fans but still lots of Jets fans. The ones I know are like Browns fans… hopeful and optimistic this year but very much flinching at with feeling of the inevitable other shoe. I’d actually like to see them do well. The press is doing what the press does but the fans I know aren’t blind to their deficits.
Teams in major media markets always get the good press. The people who work at the sports networks are usually homers, money is not usually as big of a factor, and if the team blows up they move on to some other big thing in the area. The scorn the media heaps on teams like Cleveland, Cincinnati, and even Pittsburgh as soon as things turn ugly is more a factor of how much easier it is for east and west coast celebrities to trash a team they have no connection to in any way. I really don't pay the sporting press much attention. They are playing to their biggest constituents and advertisers.
The Jets may very well hit lighting in a bottle this year and go all the way. If they do it will all be on Rodgers' shoulders. The press, as usual, will take credit for much of the success because that's what most reporters do. They step in and throw opinions on the wall until something sticks and then say "See, I was right all along! I'm glad they listened to me for a change."
Their first four games will be fairly brutal.
Rogers lasted FOUR plays. Oline problems and turf sure showed up. Now Jets have more experienced Wilson and Boyle as practice squad/now number one backup----major issues.
the strange thing is ... all night I had a weird feeling he was going to get injured. It seemed so surreal and then I see their OL get dominated and I just knew he was gonna go down
Injury in the NFL is a giant factor. It is random. But it is going to happen.
Conklin got rolled up on his knee sideways. You could tell it was bad.
Rodgers, when you look at the replay. You know it is bad.
All that went into the entire drama; gone in a flash. Now Wilson is the quarterback. Expectations just went out the window.
All we can do is hope that it does not happen to us.
it really is just a random game of Russian roulette with injuries. And when you get a big one it's pretty much impossible to overcome
Rogers lasted FOUR plays. Oline problems and turf sure showed up. Now Jets have more experienced Wilson and Boyle as practice squad/now number one backup----major issues.
The Jets 38 yr old LT picked a horrible time to miss a block.
Rogers lasted FOUR plays. Oline problems and turf sure showed up. Now Jets have more experienced Wilson and Boyle as practice squad/now number one backup----major issues.
The Jets 38 yr old LT picked a horrible time to miss a block. Or Rodgers picked a horrible play to hold the ball longer than the play design called for. Got to get the ball out quick when you have the OL cut blocking to clear passing lanes on a short slant.
The NFL's biggest storyline finished after four plays. Time to rewrite the script!
Brutal for Jets fans.
Rogers lasted FOUR plays. Oline problems and turf sure showed up. Now Jets have more experienced Wilson and Boyle as practice squad/now number one backup----major issues.
The Jets 38 yr old LT picked a horrible time to miss a block. Or Rodgers picked a horrible play to hold the ball longer than the play design called for. Got to get the ball out quick when you have the OL cut blocking to clear passing lanes on a short slant.
I failed to mention that Rogers was also pushing limits of old age in the NFL, pushing 40 yrs old QB.
If teams are willing to do anything to win, then they must accept the risk that goes with their decisions, such as pushing the limits beyond the norms.
I assure you that the play design that allowed the Bills DE a clear path to Rogers is most likely being reconsidered.
The NFL is a young mans game...Check out the average NFL career span of players by position below.
https://thesportsdaily.com/news/what-is-the-average-length-of-an-nfl-career-by-position/
Kickers/Punters — 4.87
Quarterbacks — 4.44
Offensive Linemen — 3.63
Defensive Linemen — 3.24
Linebackers — 2.97
Cornerbacks — 2.94
Tight Ends — 2.85
Wide Receivers — 2.81
Running Backs — 2.57
League average — 3.3
I'd be OK with getting rid of all turf like that
Rogers lasted FOUR plays. Oline problems and turf sure showed up. Now Jets have more experienced Wilson and Boyle as practice squad/now number one backup----major issues.
The Jets 38 yr old LT picked a horrible time to miss a block. Or Rodgers picked a horrible play to hold the ball longer than the play design called for. Got to get the ball out quick when you have the OL cut blocking to clear passing lanes on a short slant.
I failed to mention that Rogers was also pushing limits of old age in the NFL, pushing 40 yrs old QB.
If teams are willing to do anything to win, then they must accept the risk that goes with their decisions, such as pushing the limits beyond the norms.
I assure you that the play design that allowed the Bills DE a clear path to Rogers is most likely being reconsidered.
The NFL is a young mans game...Check out the average NFL career span of players by position below.
https://thesportsdaily.com/news/what-is-the-average-length-of-an-nfl-career-by-position/
Kickers/Punters — 4.87
Quarterbacks — 4.44
Offensive Linemen — 3.63
Defensive Linemen — 3.24
Linebackers — 2.97
Cornerbacks — 2.94
Tight Ends — 2.85
Wide Receivers — 2.81
Running Backs — 2.57
League average — 3.3
...I posted that 3.3 number in the salary cap thread yesterday. Just saying.
One can definitely question the play design. It's just rough to blame the OT to me. Its hard to block someone for any amount of time from the ground, which is where OL inevitably wind up when asked to cut block.
Ok which one if you guys spoke this injury into existance?
Ok which one if you guys spoke this injury into existance?
It seems he pissed off a shaman during one of his ayahuasca trips.
Not sure who this guy that called it is:
Kinda strange that the account is now suspended. NFL claiming breach of contract for leaking the script?
Not sure who this guy that called it is:
Kinda strange that the account is now suspended. NFL claiming breach of contract for leaking the script?
If it was the actual guy named there, he's the CEO of Warner Bros. Discovery
So Disney's writing the NFL scripts now? ...Interesting
somebody had fun writing that script last night
Sad.
Hate to see players injured. So much went into bringing him to the Jets. Expectations off the charts.
The fans have to be sick.
Rogers lasted FOUR plays. Oline problems and turf sure showed up. Now Jets have more experienced Wilson and Boyle as practice squad/now number one backup----major issues.
The Jets 38 yr old LT picked a horrible time to miss a block. Or Rodgers picked a horrible play to hold the ball longer than the play design called for. Got to get the ball out quick when you have the OL cut blocking to clear passing lanes on a short slant.
I failed to mention that Rogers was also pushing limits of old age in the NFL, pushing 40 yrs old QB.
If teams are willing to do anything to win, then they must accept the risk that goes with their decisions, such as pushing the limits beyond the norms.
I assure you that the play design that allowed the Bills DE a clear path to Rogers is most likely being reconsidered.
The NFL is a young mans game...Check out the average NFL career span of players by position below.
https://thesportsdaily.com/news/what-is-the-average-length-of-an-nfl-career-by-position/
Kickers/Punters — 4.87
Quarterbacks — 4.44
Offensive Linemen — 3.63
Defensive Linemen — 3.24
Linebackers — 2.97
Cornerbacks — 2.94
Tight Ends — 2.85
Wide Receivers — 2.81
Running Backs — 2.57
League average — 3.3
I don't disagree that injuries cut short careers, but I would love to see stats on what percentage of these 4-year careers end as a result of injury, vs things like newer players drafted or signed that are better, or players on a team drafted by the previous administration. I think of Browns players out of the game that were young and not necessarily injured. Just take Schwartz for example. Justin Gilbert was top 10 and he was out in that time frame IIRC.
Looking over the numbers I would guess there are 10-15 potential NFL RBs (not studs, just players) in the draft each year. Every year we seem to have a guy or 2 in camp who look like they belong.
Obviously, injuries happen, but new talent coming in makes previous season's backups look less desirable.
...The whole Toy Story game broadcast is starting to take on a different light.
Did Goodell wake up with a horse head in his bed or something? Did some wise guys tell him how things were going to go?
J/C
The replay is playing on NFL network and I noticed that the Jets tried the same cut blocking on their first play and it didn't work then either. Rodgers may have actually tweaked the achilles on that play first as he tried to spin away from a rusher. 2nd snap with more normal blocking also was underwhelming and Aaron looked a bit awkward moving around. I wonder how much stink eye Hackett is getting today. Joe Douglas is probably regretting not doing more at OT as well.
I thought that too Bull. .. that whole first drive wasn't right from the start. It had a weird vibe all pregame too
woah the Browns fans are all over him. lol
My dark horse is Taysom Hill. Doesn't seem to be in the plans in New Orleans with Payton gone, and only played 9 snaps in week one. While not your typical QB, a more ground and pound approach with the occasional shot play to Garrett Wilson could potentially mesh well with that D in an otherwise seemingly lost season.
Jets really had high expectations now they are looking at beyond a very long season.
I know Rodgers is Rodgers, but how did he not get flagged for throwing ball at the Bills player?
I know Rodgers is Rodgers, but how did he not get flagged for throwing ball at the Bills player?
Totally unsubstantiated conspiracy theory: He was hurt before the game started and the league and officials knew it, so they gave him some latitude.
Most top tier NFL QB's get preferential treatment. Not saying it's right but they just do.