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they have a lot to live up to ... if they don't make the AFC title game it will be a failure. I think their OL seems to be a question mark, which would concern me too.

Plus as you mentioned ... the tough schedule!

They will not have a good season. O line is a problem.

It seems as though you're trying just as hard to diss them as the media is doing to hype them. Things that make you go hmmmmm.....

I didn't get that, he has no more or less disdain for Rodgers as any other NFL fan. Dude definitely marches to the beat of his own drum. As the "Aaron Rodgers Experiment" goes, so will the Jets.

It's a two year plan. There is no " _______ or bust" this year. They've put themselves in a very good place to be competitive. Hype draws an armchair cross-examination by fans of any sport. What may serve them well is the area where the Browns failed so miserably -- dealing with the hype-machine while still doing the hard work and staying prepared.

I don't know, Rogers has a track record that shows he's more than hype. When you combine that with the fact they've added a lot of talent in the WR area and already have a stout defense I think there's far more reason for optimism than we had when the Browns were being hyped. Actually I put them in the same category as the Browns this year. Both teams have legitimate reasons to think this year will be very good. Sometimes people build teams up without legitimate cause to do so. For the that's what hype is. And sometimes people have legitimate reasons why they believe teams will make a huge step forward. For me that isn't hype at all.

Sure, there is plenty of substance behind the hype. I'm not questioning whether they are worthy, just looking at "hype" as the role it plays in the media... "extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion". In this case it provoked Bone to look at the front of their schedule and surmise that they better be ready out of the gate. I don't think that really matters, and the "walls would not come tumbling down", even at 0-4... could get ugly though... and Rodgers' mouth isn't always his best friend.

Hopefully the Peruvian ayahuasca trips put him in a state of zen that will withstand the NY media if things go sideways. 🤣 I don't expect to see that, I expect they will be plenty competitive straight out of the gate.

Bottom line is they have more than enough talent to play better than that... and Rodgers is a Mt. Rushmore candidate. On the flip side, we've seen an awful lot of recent QBs go to their new home with a pro-bowl-or-better pedigree and still take a while to iron things out. We'll be watching year two of another interesting 'experiment' in Denver, one that seems to not be going well at all.

These same thoughts were made about the Bengals in the past few years.

Rodgers's better years in Green Bay came with a good OL. There is a good argument to say Aaron struggles.

If you are a fan of the game, this season is must see!

Hey bugs, good to see you.

I'll be curious to see how the Jets do. My BiL is a Jets fan, from Long Island, so I hope that they flop, if not for the sake of revenge after what happened last year.

I think that the Jets have to get off to a successful start or things will go south very quickly.

As far as his age, I just turned 40 myself. Back in my 20's I felt invincible. Nowadays, I'd probably go downhill pretty quickly if I got hit enough times by young, fast 300 lb dudes. I imagine that Rodgers is the same way. That OL has to keep him upright.

True, but Rodgers is in good shape and conditioned to being hit. My best recall is you are in pretty good shape, but you didn't strike me as a rugged person, so indeed, for most of us "normal" people, we start a decline a 35-40. You job doesn't require you to work out 3-4 hours a day. You spend your day at your desk, reviewing, amending, or drafting contracts, or whatever it is you do that requires your trained legal eye and mind.

With the rules as they are, there is no reason why a QB can't play in to his mid 40's if he is good enough. That said, I don't consider anybody a lock. All sorts of things can happen to derail a season. Things can also bounce a teams way, they catch fire and come out of nowhere.


LOL...on a personal note, had I met you some years later I might not have called you Lover...I might have said McLoven!

Just trying to have a laugh my friend. Nobody else is going to get it.

I just think this was all to be expected. Rogers is a first ballot HOF'er and along with that goes the publicity and attention. It was the same with Tom Brady before he retired and Rogers is just the next in line.

Right, but Rodgers might have a little more left in the tank. He might have 3 more years at a fairly high level.

Then again, you never know. Bodies age at different rates. It's all in the genes. That is why fairly healthy people kick the bucket at 66 years old and others at 101.

You just never know until it plays out.

That's true. I was speaking strictly in terms of all the media focus and attention.

I love it dude!

That was the home opener in '07! We got blown out that game. Charlie Frye was pretty much traded after the first half. I was 24. Oddly enough, I'm in better shape now. Just completed "The Murphy" workout yesterday. Back then, I was not yet married, living it up in a semi-college lifestyle while I was still in law school. At around 36, I realized that I wasn't invincible anymore and that I needed to take care of myself if I want to be around my kids for a while, especially given my family history and my inherently large frame. That all being said, yeah I'm sure Rodgers is stil in way better shape than I am and he's conditioned to the sport, obviously. Still, can't be as good getting hit these days for him as it was back in '05 (also where the numbers in my name come from since that's the year I graduated).

Man, what I'd give to meet up with the crew again at a game...

That's true. He hasn't shown any decline so far. He may go the route of Brady and play into his mid-40's at a high level, he might go the Drew Brees route (hopefully not) and still play at a high level, but get injured AF, he might go the Manning route and suddenly have a steep decline in arm strength, or anything in between those.

it won't surprise me either way with them. They could light it up and Rodgers gets magic going ... or they implode and go like 5-12

Best QBs in world can't perform if they are on their butts- PLUS, he's already hurt his calf, 40 year olds don't come back as quick as young players.....trying NOT to be a homer, Browns have way better chance than Jets.

I’m not worried about the dog-ass Jets. We have other stuff to worry about.

Wow...16 years. Goes to show how the days can be long, but the years can be short.

I know life can change things, but Cleveland isn't that far away. There is no reason why you can't go to a game now and then. You might need to find a way to blow off a Monday, which by now you should have the ability and time to do that now and again

A few of the old guard still hit the lots and the nature of evolution finds a way to fill in newer faces as the old ones begin to fade away for one reason or another.

I don't get there at 6am anymore. I don't even go to the lots every time, but I still get down there a few times a year. If you go, and I am going to that game, I would certainly make it a point to stop by.

Sounds great! I need to get up there this year for a game. I'll probably bring my 11 year old with me.

While that's true some teams compensate for that with the quick plays. Then there's the fact they now have Dalvin Cook in the backfield. You can't sell the farm to sack the QB when you have Cook carrying the rock.

And what we haven't seen is if watson will return to form. As much as people like to make predictions about it, that's still a big unknown. Rogers is a lock to be a first ballot HOF'er. I wouldn't go selling him short just yet. As of now the calf injury doesn't seem to be anything that will hamper him.

I live in NJ, about 30mins from met life stadium. Know more Giants fans but still lots of Jets fans. The ones I know are like Browns fans… hopeful and optimistic this year but very much flinching at with feeling of the inevitable other shoe. I’d actually like to see them do well. The press is doing what the press does but the fans I know aren’t blind to their deficits.

Teams in major media markets always get the good press. The people who work at the sports networks are usually homers, money is not usually as big of a factor, and if the team blows up they move on to some other big thing in the area. The scorn the media heaps on teams like Cleveland, Cincinnati, and even Pittsburgh as soon as things turn ugly is more a factor of how much easier it is for east and west coast celebrities to trash a team they have no connection to in any way. I really don't pay the sporting press much attention. They are playing to their biggest constituents and advertisers.

The Jets may very well hit lighting in a bottle this year and go all the way. If they do it will all be on Rodgers' shoulders. The press, as usual, will take credit for much of the success because that's what most reporters do. They step in and throw opinions on the wall until something sticks and then say "See, I was right all along! I'm glad they listened to me for a change."

Their first four games will be fairly brutal.

Rogers lasted FOUR plays. Oline problems and turf sure showed up. Now Jets have more experienced Wilson and Boyle as practice squad/now number one backup----major issues.

the strange thing is ... all night I had a weird feeling he was going to get injured. It seemed so surreal and then I see their OL get dominated and I just knew he was gonna go down

it really is just a random game of Russian roulette with injuries. And when you get a big one it's pretty much impossible to overcome

NFL Football is A YOUNG MAN'S GAME...with few exceptions

The Jets 38 yr old LT picked a horrible time to miss a block.

Or Rodgers picked a horrible play to hold the ball longer than the play design called for. Got to get the ball out quick when you have the OL cut blocking to clear passing lanes on a short slant.

The NFL's biggest storyline finished after four plays. Time to rewrite the script!

Brutal for Jets fans.

With few exceptions, the NFL is a young mans game with most having just a 3.3 yr career on average.

I failed to mention that Rogers was also pushing limits of old age in the NFL, pushing 40 yrs old QB.

If teams are willing to do anything to win, then they must accept the risk that goes with their decisions, such as pushing the limits beyond the norms.

I assure you that the play design that allowed the Bills DE a clear path to Rogers is most likely being reconsidered.

The NFL is a young mans game...Check out the average NFL career span of players by position below.

https://thesportsdaily.com/news/what-is-the-average-length-of-an-nfl-career-by-position/ 


Kickers/Punters — 4.87
Quarterbacks — 4.44
Offensive Linemen — 3.63
Defensive Linemen — 3.24
Linebackers — 2.97
Cornerbacks — 2.94
Tight Ends — 2.85
Wide Receivers — 2.81
Running Backs — 2.57
League average — 3.3

I'd be OK with getting rid of all turf like that