With the draft only Five days away and with so many Threads and Mocks..It seems there is no where to post Thoughts about the draft that Remain on topic. This Thread can be used for those Random thoughts and discussion including Draft Day. I was thinking I am starting to get bad thoughts about Some things that could happen.
What if Green and Peterson are gone with our pick? I do not think Quinn is worth the 6th pick..my personal opinion but Not playing last year and the fact he recorded sacks in bunches against lesser competition really scares me. Bowers being Hurt and Fairly being Aloof really hurt our chances of have the pick of the litter.
I wish the draft would go like this 1)Dareus 2)Quinn 3)Newton 4)Gabbert 5)Miller 6)Pick of the Litter
I think the draft will go like this 1)Newton 2)Dareus 3)Miller 4)Green 5)Peterson 6)???
At that point maybe we should hope that we can slide out of the spot..Hope someone will come up to get Gabbert or Jones. I wouldn't be opposed to taking Carimi, Watt, etc. further down.
Things I hope.. Carolina realizes they used a high selection on Clausen last year and Have Moore.
Denver Is not sure Dummervill will be Healthy and look at the sorry Sack numbers without him.
Buffalo realizes they are a team that needs Cam Newton for more reasons than he needs them..Sell tickets and a face of this franchise..
Cinci realizes the realistic possibility that Palmer will not play and is getting older and need to address this for the just in case now and the future.
Arizona realizes their #1 need is a OLB and their #1B need is a QB.
I don't know about anyone else but I'm ticked that the draft is on the NFLN which I don't get... I'm thankful that we can watch it online, but since my wife usually uses the computer at night I'm going to have to fight to watch it...
If Green and Peterson are both gone and Dareus and Miller are both gone then at one of the top 2 qb's will be available for our pick. And while I never advocate taking a Qb nor do I suspect that the Browns would take a Qb at #6 this would sure make for some good trade fodder. Especially with SF having the next pick and a need for a Qb. Can we get Washington's 1st next year to exchange 1st round picks this year? How about next year's 1st and a 3rd from Minnesota? Maybe SF gives us a 3rd to make sure that they get their Qb. What would Tennessee offer up?
Sure it does, Some teams might pass on a QB knowing they might be in line to have a chance at Luck next year...I would put Cinci in that group..Marvin will be gone and Cinci will be picking high with a bad year..New Coach..New QB. Kolb will fill another teams Vacant spot and Orton might be out with Tebow taking over this year or next. Wonder if teams are figuring in to getting a QB via trade once labor dispute is over.
1) AJ Green 2) Patrick Peterson 3) Marcell Dareus 4) Von Miller 5) Nick Fairly 6) Julio Jones
With Colt McCoy getting the WRs together and with everyone in Berea saying Colt McCoy is our QB I honestly do not think Gabbert or Newton is in our top 10.
I think we are relatively weak at linebacker if allowed to Blitz in a 4-3 attacking style I think he could be very effective. However, if we end up playing a tampa 2 style then we would be wasting Von Millers talent.
Anyone look at Scott Wrights mock draft recently? He has us drafting the entire UNC team....Seriously. He has the browns drafting Robert Quinn, Marvin Austin, and Greg Little. Is Butch Davis our GM?
1) AJ Green 2) Patrick Peterson 3) Marcell Dareus 4) Von Miller 5) Nick Fairly 6) Julio Jones
With Colt McCoy getting the WRs together and with everyone in Berea saying Colt McCoy is our QB I honestly do not think Gabbert or Newton is in our top 10.
I sure hope they don't pick Peterson or Any Defensive back if they stay at 6
I'd rather they take a chance on a Brady Quinn clone which may pan out the 2nd time, so yes I'm saying I'd rather they draft Gabbert or Newton, 2 qb's I don't know anything about other than Peterson who I know is a db.
in 2011, because of who they took in 2010, I'm saying Any Qb is better than investing a 1st rd pick on another Db! ________________________________ " Get that camera outa my Face!"
Quote: I sure hope they don't pick Peterson or Any Defensive back if they stay at 6
Yeah...Let's pass on who many have rated as the #1 or #2 player in this draft...
We gotta take Peterson if he's there...Lockdown the outside and don't worry about it anymore...Then build up the interior of the line and get that Pass Rusher...
With Haden, Peterson and Ward back there, I think you could rightfully say that it improves to be within the Top 5 virtually overnight and they could very well be together for a long, long time!
If Peterson is there and the Browns don't draft him, then I'm not a happy Browns fan. If they trade down, it had better be to SF to select whichever CB they don't take (either Peterson or Amukamara) and to get SF 2nd this year or next years 1st rounder.
I might be persuaded to think that would be acceptable. That would still potentially get us a Top 5 defensive backfield for a long, long time and give us another high quality selection either this year or next.
I am now less-inclined to get a WR at #6. We probably should go 'D' and I have warmed to the idea of another top corner with that pick. A trade down sounds intriguing, also.
Other Random Thoughts: this year's draft kinda snuck up on me. I haven't looked forward to is as I usually do.
I agree, although I started a Mock last week. I got to pick 17 and then I forgot what site I was on. With this labor dispute and lack of free agency, it took some of the luster away.
Wondering if the new players will be allowed to do Press conferences and work out at the facility considering they are not currently in a dispute until under contract.
I did see Scott Wrights Mock and was going to post something yesterday..Three NC players in the first three rounds..Never happen Scott.
Quote: I am now less-inclined to get a WR at #6. We probably should go 'D' and I have warmed to the idea of another top corner with that pick. A trade down sounds intriguing, also.
Other Random Thoughts: this year's draft kinda snuck up on me. I haven't looked forward to is as I usually do.
I wish they'd do two rounds on Thursday night.
I wish the draft started on Friday night and finished on Sunday..
I am reserved to thinking Peterson or Green or Jones or trade up or down. Not high on Quinn at all. and the only other player worthy of the 6th pick is Fairly..So I think of Sean Rodgers..I know he could take over a game and block kicks..What impact did he really have though? We had losing records in all of his years here except one. Our Defense still ranked in the bottom..Do I think Fairly will be as good...Not sure, but Braylons presence as a Receiver had more of an impact than Rodgers did..that was obvious last year.
I would be upset with Quinn or Prince at that Pick..I watched tape on Prince and seeing Blackmon Own him was enough for me..It looked like a man against a boy..But I don't get paid to make evaluations..for good reasons..
If I had to make a big board it'd look something like this:
#1. AJ Green- Its no secret that our two biggest needs are WR and DL/Pass Rush. I give AJ Green the nod over Marcel Dareus simply because this is a deep DL draft and very good talent can be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. After Green and Jones its a bit of a fall to the next tier of WR. That being said Green looks like a sure thing, dont see much bust potential. If he can give us a legit #1 WR threat it will only go on to help Robiskie and MoMass and give McCoy a legit target.
#2. Marcel Dareus- No way will he still be on the board when we pick but if he is still there, Green is the only player I take before him and even then its a struggle. He is a dominant D-lineman who is capable of not only stuffing the run but rushing the passer as well. He's not on Suh's level like last year but he will be a VERY good player to whoever takes him.
#3. Patrick Peterson- Though we picked Haden last year, some say the most important position to find is a good cornerback. You pick Peterson and you essentially can forget about CB for years to come and focus on strengthening other aspects of this team. Many boards have him as the #1 player overall. Some say hes more of an athlete than corner, others say hes the next Deion Sanders (field-playwise). The kid is raw and will only get better. My only concern would be in 5 years or so when Haden and Peterson would be FA's, would the Browns have enough money to keep both.
#4 Julio Jones- I would put Von Miller here but our lack of a true #1 wideout absolutely killed the offense last season. No one could get separation so they just started focusing on the TE's and Hillis. While I don't think he's quite on par with Green and there are concerns regarding his foot, I still believe Jones is going to be a great WR in the NFL. We need a wideout plain and simple, so much that even though Miller may be ranked higher, the need is greater. Besides, after this the next to WR's I here coming off the board are Leonard Hankerson or Randall Cobb, again a far cry from Green and Jones.
#5. Von Miller- I cant put my finger on it but theres something about Miller I don't like. I think he's a better fit for the 3-4 defense and I've heard some concerns about his pass coverage ability. His pass rush would still be very welcome but in a 4-3 the linebackers are relied in coverage more often than pass rush. He'll still be a very good player and I would not have any problem taking him.
Quote: If Peterson is not there, I don't want to go Prince... Peterson is quite possibly the best player in the draft.. after him, then we need DE or WR.
I understand your desire for either DL or WR if Peterson is gone but I caution you that a trade down could possibly net you both Prince and another selection to be used on that DL or WR that you want.
There are more WRs in this draft than A.J. Green or Julio Jones. There are DL that are quite capable whose names aren't at the top of the list either. Prince Amukamara is a Top 10 selection and we are in the Top 10.
Now, I ask you why so many mock drafts (by the so-called experts) have Cam Newton as the #1? Is he the best player? Does Carolina need to draft a QB #1 after selecting one in the 2nd round last year (the coaching change doesn't matter). If I were a betting man (but I'm not), I think that Rivera will be going defense with the #1 pick (or looking to trade down - if only a couple spots).
Looking at the teams picking in the Top 5, I see 3 teams that could use a QB, but they are numbered 3 (Buffalo), 4 (Cincy) and 5 (Arizona). I could see all of them taking a QB with their 1st round selections but I could also see them passing on it and waiting until the 2nd round.
Despite popular belief, a team's starting QB doesn't have to be a 1st round selection. Look no further than the Browns.
In any case, it'll be interesting to watch it play out but I would be happy with either Peterson or Amukamara. I prefer Peterson, but if I'm making the selection and Peterson is gone but Amukamara is there, I've got a card with Amukamara's name on it waiting to be handed in - but I'm fielding offers for the #6 selection although only serious inquiries would be considered.
Quote: in 2011, because of who they took in 2010, I'm saying Any Qb is better than investing a 1st rd pick on another Db! ________________________________ " Get that camera outa my Face!"
I just don't think that is Heckerts style. If he has Patrick Peterson as the Highest rated player on his board and he is there at 6 I believe he takes him. That is a value pick and arguably The safest pick in the draft..Too much to pass up. I can see him trading back into the first or second round if another player dropped within striking distance such as a Cameron Heyward or Daquan Bowers..
Quote: in 2011, because of who they took in 2010, I'm saying Any Qb is better than investing a 1st rd pick on another Db! ________________________________ " Get that camera outa my Face!"
I just don't think that is Heckerts style. If he has Patrick Peterson as the Highest rated player on his board and he is there at 6 I believe he takes him. That is a value pick and arguably The safest pick in the draft..Too much to pass up. I can see him trading back into the first or second round if another player dropped within striking distance such as a Cameron Heyward or Daquan Bowers..
And this is why I've had this Throw Long character on my ignore for awhile...........
The guys that I'm interested in are: - AJ Green (I need a new Browns Jersey, I'm not sold on McCoy (yet) and I've seen Green play a lot. I look at the guy, and he's the real deal to me. A sure-fire pick. Great hands and he's quick. He's a big guy with jump ball ability and should be our TD go-to guy. He'd be a huge asset to our offense
- Patrick Peterson: I've seen this guy play a few times. He's a guy who's hard not to notice. He's aggressive and good against the run, and he plays very good coverage. Big and agile, and he's been tested against some of the top competition this country offers.
I'm not sure I'm as high on him as I was on Joe Haden (my number two guy last year behind Eric Berry). But if he can be as good as Joe, that's an awesome pick and we should send that card in right away.
- Prince Anumukara (or whatever): Haven't seen him play. But people say the guy is better in man-to-man coverage than Peterson. He's gotten plenty of experience and is a star. I love hearing about guys who can D up really well man to man. They tend to be tough, aggressive, in your face defensive backs. Leigh Bodden was awesome at man-to-man coverage. So is Darrelle Revis.
Joe Haden is really good in man-to-man coverage too. If we could leave our two CB's each on an island, then we have many more options for the rest of our defense. We can blitz more, do a better job defending the run and unleash TJ Ward
Some people have an issue going with corner, I have no problem with it. Sheldon Brown should start thinking about moving to safety, this became apparent to me last season when TO owned him. Eric Wright is still young, and he can be our Nickel. His play improved toward the end of the season. Sheldon Brown will only get worse. Moving to FS could pro-long Brown's career IMO. He just doesn't have the speed to stay at CB like Ty Law did and Charles Woodson is doing (plus those guys were/are much better than Brown)
- Robert Quinn: Don't know much about Robert Quinn, watched some highlights that make him look good. Of course, I'd love a highlight real of my greatest beach volleyball/paddle tennis plays: I'd look much better than I actually am. This guy I'm basing off of what other people say about him
- D'Qwann Bowers: Provided his knee is healthy, he looks pretty good to me (i've only seen highlights though). DE's don't have to be ridiculously quick, especially in the 4-3. Heckert talks about Trent Cole, but I watch the Giants and Justin Tuck/Michael Strahan/Osi Uminyora all are bigger DE's (Tuck also plays DT) and they all do/have done a great job at rushing the QB. We might be able to trade back a spot or two and get him also.
I like big guys who can support against the run. Bowers seems to be able to do that, along with rushing the pass. People say this knee thing has messed him up, but he's like 21. I'm 25 and I feel young. I don't get how people are gonna write off a guy who's 21 and say that he can't go back to normal. If our medical staff says he'll be okay, he sounds good to me
I say If Peterson is there... Take HIM!!! and keep him. But he wont be. The kids a stud.
Prediction: We trade down with Dallas n grab Julio/Prince instead. I dont know the trade charts but their second this year and next years first with a later round pick this year N I'll be happy.
Also... Expect Bellicheck to be making moves on draft day. I think he's eyeing Peterson/Green
It's 7 am, and my heart is overrulling my mind, but really my mind cannot find a downside. Suppose the pick WAS Mark Ingram, what's the downside?
Possible downside#1, you passed up the best RB this year and he turns into the next Tony Dorsett. No because this is taking him
#2, the QB isnt ready, No because Colt McCoy is as much of a hope as a pick of any of the Qb's this year
#3 Hey Hey TL, what about Peyton Hillis? so what, how is it a downside to have Another possible credible Factor Back?
#4 His bust potential? C'mon this player has been hyped on college boards for a long time, he won the Heisman TWO years ago , he has longevity,
#5 He's not wanted by others? Mike and Mike just said the Pats will probably get him, Hmm they don't know what they've been doing the last decade
#6 There's a better player at his position? GET Real , This year there is little top level talent at the offensive skilled positions and this guy is the clear #1 at Runningback
#7 He can't catch passes out of the backfield? So what, he's not trying to be Brian Westbrook, he's trying to be Marcus Allen, or Jerome Bettis, or Emmit Smith
Merry Christmas! It's draft day,
I dont' expect ANYONE, because Noone on this board has agreed in the past that RB is the most important, and the offense in general, I just know that every year there is a chance that you passed on the next Tony Dorsett, and nobody has commanded the league like he did since, except for Joe Montana and Montana did it with the system.
The Pro Football Hall of Fame is dominated by players at 2 positons on the football field Running Back! and Linebacker!
It's 7 am and the last 12 hours, I keep thinking Mark Ingram, Mark Ingram, man it would be great I would be so Thrilled if Mark Ingram was the pick at #6 he may be the safest pick in this draft, he may be the next Marcus Allen, this may be a 12 year player in a league with a 4 year avg.
I'm saying the 2 Safest picks are this guy and maybe Phil Taylor
Mark Ingram, what is the downside? He's not flashy enough, he's not superstar enough, he's gonna want too much money
Hillis' success would make INgram and Hillis Both better and more signable, plus provide for a reason to keep Vickers.
Rb's never get paid as much as Qb's anyway and having Hillis and even Hardesty on the roster would make this pick more likely not less likely to get into camp!
Having a camp battle is a good thing
The Cleveland Browns did trade up in 2010 to get Hardesty a runningback, and because of injury he produced zero in that season. So the team has shown it is important.
Mark Ingram, I say the Safest pick, and Solid too, man can you imagine
It is just like all you other thinkers who want to solidify another side with a Peterson pick, Just think how much an Ingram pick would solidify the Browns backfield.
We gotta get this guy? Why not!
I personally feel WORSE about the Browns passing up on a chance to pick Ingram with the #6 overall, and potentially leaving the next hall of fame RB, then I would feel if the do get him and they get Brady Quinn type production out of him the next 3 years.
short read: Can the Browns afford Not to draft Mark Ingram?
And there are alot of concerns with Ingram's knee as well. I would fall out of my lazyboy if he was the pick at 6.
I'm not liking alot of final mocks..... Gabbert is sliding thru to 6 with Newton, von Miller, Dareus, Green and Peterson gone. That is worse case scenario for me, unless we can trade out of there to a QB hungry team. And if that is the case, it would work out nicely.
Quote: Who's gonna gather in the chat room and what time?
The actions faster in there!
I was just gonna ask the same thing.
I have a b-ball game at 7 that will go until 8. I probably won't be home until 8:30 - 8:45, but I'm going to get in the chat room soon after that. Hopefully won't miss the Browns' pick (will be listening on the radio in the car, though).
Quote: short read: Can the Browns afford Not to draft Mark Ingram?
Short answer: Yes
DOUBLE YES!!
Triple Yes!
I mean anytime you can double-up at a position where your current starter is on the cover of Madden, how can you even think of not doing that though right? wait, what?
Quote: short read: Can the Browns afford Not to draft Mark Ingram?
Short answer: Yes
DOUBLE YES!!
Triple Yes!
I mean anytime you can double-up at a position where your current starter is on the cover of Madden, how can you even think of not doing that though right? wait, what?
Oh hell yes.
We have a Pro Bowl caliber RB right now, along with a highly thought of guy returning from injury.
I could see us taking a 6th round "3rd down" back, but a 1st rounder ...? Not a chance. That would be idiotic. (Unless we wound up with 10 1st round picks ..... and even then it might still be idiotic)
Quote: Carolina wants picks sounds like. Sounds like theyre looking to do this quickly.
But I dont think thats possible with the labor situation.
Just read on another thread that while teams can open thier facilities to players tomorrow at 8am, there can still be no trades of players or FA signings etc.. So, I'm guessing that as things are at this moment, it can't happen
Brown in Cincinnati digs in, passes on Gabbert at 4, can subtley blame the tanked season on Palmer (possibly) sitting out, and put the Bengals in position to draft Luck next year.
Which is really just a long-winded way of saying that I hope Gabbert goes #3 or #5, and Peterson falls to us.
Cam Dareus Von Julio (hey, he's ahead on their board, right?) Green
Peterson and Gabbert fall to the #6 spot. We take offers and try to get teams to outbid each other. If it's not overwhelming, we still get Peterson. win/win
Quote: Every team in the league can afford to pass up on Ingram in the first.
A team like the Saints, with a well established team elsewhere, and a real need for a strong RB, might see him as their 1st rounder. He catches the ball well enough to be a threat in their offense, and he would be the best runner they have had since McAllister.
95 yards/game and 9 rushing TDs are definitely areas they would love to improve upon.
It is a draft year that is held on a day that ends in a Y. ( Means its a year anytime in history)
The Rb position, isnt this the #1 rated rb in this draft? yep
Being a draft year that ends in a y means there's a chance the next hall of fame rb is here, means if you don't take him you passed on him,
Did the Browns have a 1400 yd rusher last year? Was Kevin Mack a Bust because Ernest Byner was already on the team?
Have the Browns had a 1400 yd rusher in 30 years?
When was the last draft that this board had support for a running back 4 hours before start by anyone other than me and maybe one other.
Year that ends in a Y! ? Did the Browns have a 1400 yd rusher, or a 1600 yd all purpose back? If not can the Browns afford to pass on the #1 Rb on the board? They should at least consider it.
If they take the Rb is he the first Rb or will another team have picked one first. Is there a chance this is the year the Browns Do Not pass on a hall of fame Rb? No position can change the game like the Rb position, except maybe Qb.
He's out there somewhere! The next hall of fame rb is out there somewhere, and I for one don't want the Browns to pass on him. Is it this year? probably not, But don't overlook this position.
your post is pretty ridiculous, but i'll try to break out the finer points at least.
Quote: isnt this the #1 rated rb in this draft? yep
to the majority, probably. but Ingram's knees have many putting LeShoure ahead of him.
Quote: there's a chance the next hall of fame rb is here, means if you don't take him you passed on him
the same can be said of EVERY position. perhaps Ryan Mallet gets over his issues and may be a HOF QB. if we don't take him, then we passed on him.
do you see how crazy that sounds? it's a terrible reason to pick a player. they all have risk and grading is your way of doing risk mitigation.
Quote: Did the Browns have a 1400 yd rusher last year?
Peyton Hillis had 1177yds, so no. However, he was on pace for over 1400 yards but without the threat of a passing game, teams really keyed in on him the last 1/4 of the season + he was getting worn down because we had no RB to spell him with. That is a reason to draft a RB (even with Hardesty coming back), but it's not one that makes drafting a RB in the 1st round a necessity. Far from it (you would think opening up the passing game would help more than spelling him a few downs).
Quote: When was the last draft that this board had support for a running back 4 hours before start by anyone other than me and maybe one other.
That's easy. The Adrian Peterson draft. The board was 50/50 between Joe Thomas and Adrian Peterson.
Were the Browns wrong to draft a franchise LT over a franchise RB? I say no.
How about last year with Haden over CJ Spiller? Well, Spiller did close to nothing while Haden was a huge contributer.
Quote: Year that ends in a Y! ? Did the Browns have a 1400 yd rusher, or a 1600 yd all purpose back? If not can the Browns afford to pass on the #1 Rb on the board? They should at least consider it.
Peyton Hillis had 1654yds from LOS last year. So, yes, the Browns had a 1600yd all purpose back.
Quote: No position can change the game like the Rb position, except maybe Qb.
maybe? you are insinuating that Adrian Peterson changes the game more than Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning? Really?
there is a reason the best QBs live in the playoffs every year while there is no such distinction with best RBs (11/12 top QB rating made the playoffs.....only 5 of top12 rushers last year made the playoffs)
Quote: He's out there somewhere! The next hall of fame rb is out there somewhere, and I for one don't want the Browns to pass on him.
he might not get selected until round4 or 5. last year the best rookie RB was Blount (UDFA) and the leading rusher was Arian Foster (round6). James Starks led the NFL in rushing in the playoffs (round7 rookie).
RB has proven to have talent later in the draft more than most positions. is the better talent usually near the top, of course. but, it's also usually pretty well known when a guy is a "once in a decade player" and he is drafted accordingly (ricky williams, ladianian tomlinson, reggie bush -- even though bush hasn't been healthy enough and isn't really a RB he was drafted as such)
Quote: Is it this year? probably not, But don't overlook this position.
so, all of that you you think that this is probably not the year a great RB is there. well, thanks
I would call Joe Thomas socks and underwear. Something that not everyone appreciates on XMAS day but something you really need to live life comfortably.
But yes, I think the time for our franchise is to get more of the flashy electronics. He delivered a Blu-Ray player last year with Joe Haden, so hopefully we get the Kinect this year (Patrick Peterson).
Had a few Random thoughts...Wonder if the Browns are thinking about picks for next year..gives them another year to see if McCoy is the real deal..if not putting themselves in a position to have a shot at luck?
Also who would you rather have? Julio Jones or Justin Blackmon?
I've been thinking the same thing. Two first rounders, one very high one if McCoy plays played, should be a good start to move up to the #1 pick next year. Especially if a team with their future QB is picking #1.
Quote: OK Cincy pick a QB.... so we get Green/Peterson
Mike Brown would but off his own nose before drafting a QB (which would be giving in to Palmer). I'm sure he thinks this will be the pick to entice Palmer back on the field for them. And if not, they don't care....they'll let him rot before trading him.
Quote: Well .... our pick will either have Peterson or Gabbart available ..... so we could have the best defensive player in the draft ... or trade bait.
+1
I'm hoping, hoping, and hoping Zona goes YoGabbaGabbert here (stolen joke).
But hey, like you said.....we would also have Gabbert for trade bait.
Quote: I really can't imagine them passing on a QB .... but who knows?
It would make too much sense to take a QB.....but some talking head yesterday said they'd just sign a junky free agent QB to hold down the fort for a few years (or trade for Kolb).
I would bet my next mortgage payment we had a card with Peterson's name on it....and once that option was gone, we called Atlanta back and took the deal.
Switch our firsts, get a 2nd this year (maybe a 3/4 too)....next years 1st and a 3/4th.
Looks like the Falcons are gonna take Julio Jones with our pick... Knowing that we need to get Colt some weapons, A.J. Green is gone and we do this? WTH????
I keep hearing this and that about a draft next year........
Do you think for one second that Holmgren and Heckert would trade for a first next year if they weren't fairly positive there will be a draft next year?
Pats have 1st pick in 2nd & are looking to pad picks for next year...I feel they can be had in a trade up scenario for 1 of their 1st. They only have 5 picks next year! Go Brownies!!!
Quote: My question is can we package our second round pick this year and the Falcons first round pick next year to move up to the Patriots 17?
I'm sure we could.
I've always wanted to setup our picks like the Pats.....stockpile them and keep adding, and adding, and adding......not trading up and going back to stock.
As long as there's a draft next year, I say stay pat and just collect players.
all i gotta say is THANK GOD WE TRADED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I knew Heckert had more sense then to use that #6 on a darn corner or a WR....we robbed the Falcons blind with this! we took them to the woodshed!
this will allow us to fix the right side of our OL and get some decent DL and LB in here so we can do something this year.....also don't be suprised if we grab a WR in rd 2 or 3
I agree ... I feel like this was a 5 player draft, and the three players we really could of used went 3, 4, 5. At that point, I wanted to trade down, and we did it ... getting a pretty good deal in the process.
If Colt fails, Browns are in top 10 and I don't think Falcons will repeat their success of last year, probably still finish 9-7 or 10-6 and will be mid 20's pick. If one of the teams that drafted a QB still lands at #1, I bet we trade up
If Colt is good, then Justin Blackmon and some defense
Now, what do we do at #27? My guess is OT Derek Sherrod, Gabe Carimi or DE/DT like Clayborn, Houston, Austin, Reed
We keep a first rounder this year, pick up a 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder this year and then get another first rounder and a fourth rounder next year.
I like the fact that we got 5 picks. With the way that the Browns FO has shown it can draft, I like the value of that draft.
Only drawback is that I'm going to have to stay up and not get as much sleep that I hoped to get tonight.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Bowers drop that far ... would be a bit of a risky pick, but mock drafts had that guy going #1 before the workouts started.
Quote: I agree ... I feel like this was a 5 player draft, and the three players we really could of used went 3, 4, 5. At that point, I wanted to trade down, and we did it ... getting a pretty good deal in the process.
I felt similar about this as well, once Peterson went off the board right before us, I was hoping we could make a deal, and we made a great one in terms of acquiring draft picks, now we still have to see what the Organization will do with the picks but having them to begin with is a great start... Good work by all involved in pulling the trigger on the deal!
Quote: Now, what do we do at #27? My guess is OT Derek Sherrod, Gabe Carimi or DE/DT like Clayborn, Houston, Austin, Reed
It's a pretty deep draft for D-linemen ... not sure we go RT with a first round pick, but it's possible.
Isn't that why you would go O-line in round 1 b/c it is D-line is deep assuming you have the players rated similar? That way, you'll possibly get more value with early 2nd in getting perhaps a first round D-line talent....
Plus, I think that the front office legitimately likes 4 of our projected OL starters ..... and I think they might look to free agency to add another RT/RG candidate to compete with Pashos and back up Lauvoa.
Quote: Not to wish ill fortune on anyone, but if Matt Ryan gets hurt this season...uh
THERE HAS BEEN A TRADE .... The Atlanta Falcons trade their #1, #2, #4 picks this year, and #1, #4 next year ... for Clevelands #1 pick and the Madden Curse.
I'm thinking that with our new slots that Carimi's gotta be a BROWN by the end of the night.... who else we get, I dunno; probably a DE like Adrian Clayborn, or perhaps a Safety like Aaron Williams.
Anthony Castonzo Corey Liuget Cameron Jordan Robert Quinn Nick Fairley Mohammed Wilkerson Mike Pouncey Ryan Kerrigan Adrian Clayborn Nate Solder Daquan Bowers Mark Ingram Derek Sherrod Aaron Williams Kyle Rudolph Phil Taylor Gabe Carimi Akeem Ayers Justin Houston Cam Heyward Brandon Harris Prince Amukamara
Ya....but he didn't look too happy about Detroit picking him. I thought right away that maybe Suh could get the most of our Fairley since he's one of the baddest mad in the NFL.....but man, I'd be nervous about Nick. Seems like a bad seed.
Quote: Ya....but he didn't look too happy about Detroit picking him. I thought right away that maybe Suh could get the most of our Fairley since he's one of the baddest mad in the NFL.....but man, I'd be nervous about Nick. Seems like a bad seed.
Yep. Exactly why he went from 2nd to off my board.
Yeah, those were the 2. Smith is a good talent, but some questions with him. Bowers is falling because of injury issues. He is potentially a top 5 pick, but do you wanna risk it with the health concerns? They are saying at least one team totally scratched him off the board.
Luiget going to San Diego sucks. And just as I started typing this Mayock proves my point.
Luiget is ten times the player in the 4-3 than he will be in the 3-4. That is one of those picks that depresses me because the guy can't maximize his potential.
I personally think had Luiget gone to a 4-3 he would have had as good a year as Fairley and Dareus or better.
8 more of the following will go (add in Mallet and Dalton) and we'll get our pick of one of them...
Prince Amukamara Anthony Castonzo Cameron Jordan Mohammed Wilkerson Adrian Clayborn Daquan Bowers Mark Ingram Derek Sherrod Aaron Williams Kyle Rudolph Phil Taylor Gabe Carimi Akeem Ayers Justin Houston Cam Heyward Brandon Harris Stephen Paea Marvin Austin Brooks Reed Jimmy Smith Mikel Lashoure Danny Watkins Jabaal Sheard Martez Wilson Christian Ballard
Anthony Castonzo anyone? Excellent work ethic. Can play just about anywhere on the O-line. Would be an excellent compliment to my man Joe T. Depending on which "expert" you listen to, he's the top O-lineman in the draft.
Quote: doh! gave up a 3rd to move up and take a non pass rusher?
Honestly ... you don't want your DT sacking the QB. You want him staying home, being disciplined, and blowing up the run game. That was the big knock on Shaun Rogers ... he was big and feirce, but he would get out of position trying to get to the QB and open up holes for the run. The early reports on Taylor ... he seems to fit the bill well.
I really don't get that one. I mean he must be pretty high on our board for them to move up but man there were some better players on the board I thought.
shocked we didn't rake Cam Jordan!?!? I don't get it. Taylor I think will be good, but with Rubin already there to help stop the run, why don't we get a pass rush?
I would have gone Jordan ...... but hopefully Heckert knows a LOT more than me. lol
I can definitely see the Taylor reasoning. The AFCN is a power run division ... and combining him with Rubin inside should help stuff the run.
Plus, if they can add a pass rushing DE with 1 of their 2nd rounders, they could have 2 guys capable of collapsing the pocket, and Rubin should be a force as a DT pass rusher.
The could be well on their way to building a powerful DL.
I see the reasoning. I don't think I would have gone with him there ...... but let's hope for the very best.
Well a draft site I frequent says he is a 2nd or 3rd round prospect. It also says he has medical red flags because he has bones growing together in his feet that can't be corrected.
I love the pick. We need trenches guys. You can't fire your d-line and not retool there. He will make us forget the ever-disappointing Big Baby for a long time.
I don't think so. With the extra 4th, I think we will trade back up in the 3rd. Maybe they saw a little Rubin in this guy! He turned out ok. JMHO Go Brownies!!!
In a 3-4 this is true but in a 4-3 you usually have more athletic fast 1 gaps on the inside. We just took a 3-4 NT. ????? We have zero pass rush and need 4-3 edge and speed speed and more speed. We did not get just get faster.
Quote: doh! gave up a 3rd to move up and take a non pass rusher?
Honestly ... you don't want your DT sacking the QB. You want him staying home, being disciplined, and blowing up the run game. That was the big knock on Shaun Rogers ... he was big and feirce, but he would get out of position trying to get to the QB and open up holes for the run. The early reports on Taylor ... he seems to fit the bill well.
i wanted a DE who could get to the QB there, not a DT. but this is not a bad pick.
Quote: In a 3-4 this is true but in a 4-3 you usually have more athletic fast 1 gaps on the inside. We just took a 3-4 NT. ????? We have zero pass rush and need 4-3 edge and speed speed and more speed. We did not get just get faster.
following the minny 4-3 blueprint is my only explanation. that's not a horrible plan by any means.
Cameron Jordan or Daquan Bowers will be available when we pick in the 2nd round? or we could give up not that much to get back into the first or early(er?) 2nd to get one of them two...? or Christian Ballard?
Hmmmm. I don't like the trade up. Chance for him to drop, and there were some other names up there that probably would have been available at 27. Rather have kept the picks, but still a void. Dunno.
I'm concerned .... he wasn't the guy I would have gone with ...... but Heckert has said all along that he thinks that he can find 4-3 DEs in the 2nd and later rounds.
We'll see how it all washes out. I think Heckert bought himself some major credit with last year's draft ... I'm willing to see how his picks this year do.
I'm quite confused myself. I just have faith in Heckert I guess. I don't really know about the guy. I wanted Costanzo or Gabe Carimi. I wanted to stay where we were more than that though.
If we were going D-Line how about Cam Jordan or Bowers?
But yeah, I'm definitely upset about this pick. But I've always said that Tom Heckert is one of the best things that happened to us, so I'll have faith in Heckert. May be he knows something I don't. This Phil Taylor could be a beast
Just some info......Jauron had both Ted Washington and Keith Traylor together when he was at Chicago in 2001 and they ended up with 2nd rated run defense that year.
Quote: Just some info......Jauron had both Ted Washington and Keith Traylor together when he was at Chicago in 2001 and they ended up with 2nd rated run defense that year.
that's some beef in the middle. The pick makes more sense.
Quote: I really think all these teams must know something about Bowers that we do not, otherwise I cannot think of any reason why he is still on the board.
Ton of questions about his knee. Lots of conflicting info on the injury.
Couple that with only 1 year of production and a lot of teams took him off their board in round 1.
Quote: I really think all these teams must know something about Bowers that we do not, otherwise I cannot think of any reason why he is still on the board.
They probably remember Courtney Brown.
You hear even potential microfracture and that's scary for a guy with his power in his legs.
Quote: Jauron had both Ted Washington and Keith Traylor together when he was at Chicago in 2001 and they ended up with 2nd rated run defense that year.
Sweet. When we go back in time and play in the NFL when it was actually a rushing league we'll be sitting pretty. Definitely worth a 3rd.
Thats funny that you mention that because the first two players that come to my mind when you mention Nick Fairley and DaQuan Bowers are Gerrard Warren and Courtney Brown.
For all the losing this year, to end up with Phil Taylor as your only 1st round pick, it's kind of disappointing.
Most of the big websites had Phil Taylor as a late first round pick and I had him going to New England at #28 but b/c of the scheme issues, the trade of the 3 round pick, not getting Peterson/Green, it's not a good day
First i heard of him being this high is when I looked at Pro Football Weekly and they had him as the #32 player overall....beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Quote: I would just like to go one draft without the steelers drafting a buckeye.
I am so freaking pissed
The Steelers have said for years the Buckeyes run the closest thing to the Steelers system in College football.....They look hard at OSU guys every year.
i really like the pick, especially because I think they punked baltimore with the pick. Who is Baltimore going to pick every year? answer, is there a nose tackle who is 360+ that is the pick.
There are still alot of defensive tackles worth the #37 pick there are alot of DT's I like this year including Paea and Austin.
Who were the top 3 afc north trench players? Pouncey, Carimi, Taylor ?
Can he run a sweep behind Hillis and Vickers' lead blocks boom boom boom! There is nothing or about this pick, it is a safe solid pick.
But it doesn't fix the offense. ------------ 5( 4) new picks, one player, one problem at a time good job ! But it doesn't fix the offense, Don't forget the offense Mike, Heck !
LMAO Here we go gang!!! Go Brownies!!!
Knowing that we need to get Colt some weapons, A.J. Green is gone and we do this? WTH????
