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With the draft only Five days away and with so many Threads and Mocks..It seems there is no where to post Thoughts about the draft that Remain on topic. This Thread can be used for those Random thoughts and discussion including Draft Day. I was thinking I am starting to get bad thoughts about Some things that could happen.

What if Green and Peterson are gone with our pick?
I do not think Quinn is worth the 6th pick..my personal opinion but Not playing last year and the fact he recorded sacks in bunches against lesser competition really scares me.
Bowers being Hurt and Fairly being Aloof really hurt our chances of have the pick of the litter.

I wish the draft would go like this
1)Dareus
2)Quinn
3)Newton
4)Gabbert
5)Miller
6)Pick of the Litter

I think the draft will go like this
1)Newton
2)Dareus
3)Miller
4)Green
5)Peterson
6)???

At that point maybe we should hope that we can slide out of the spot..Hope someone will come up to get Gabbert or Jones. I wouldn't be opposed to taking Carimi, Watt, etc. further down.

Things I hope..
Carolina realizes they used a high selection on Clausen last year and Have Moore.

Denver Is not sure Dummervill will be Healthy and look at the sorry Sack numbers without him.

Buffalo realizes they are a team that needs Cam Newton for more reasons than he needs them..Sell tickets and a face of this franchise..

Cinci realizes the realistic possibility that Palmer will not play and is getting older and need to address this for the just in case now and the future.

Arizona realizes their #1 need is a OLB and their #1B need is a QB.

I don't know about anyone else but I'm ticked that the draft is on the NFLN which I don't get... I'm thankful that we can watch it online, but since my wife usually uses the computer at night I'm going to have to fight to watch it...

It's also on ESPN. As it always is.

Only on Thursday is it on ESPN. The next two days are on NFLN only which stinks. I'll listen on the radio and have my laptop going at full capacity.

If Green and Peterson are both gone and Dareus and Miller are both gone then at one of the top 2 qb's will be available for our pick. And while I never advocate taking a Qb nor do I suspect that the Browns would take a Qb at #6 this would sure make for some good trade fodder. Especially with SF having the next pick and a need for a Qb. Can we get Washington's 1st next year to exchange 1st round picks this year? How about next year's 1st and a 3rd from Minnesota? Maybe SF gives us a 3rd to make sure that they get their Qb. What would Tennessee offer up?

Make you feel a little bit better?

Sure it does, Some teams might pass on a QB knowing they might be in line to have a chance at Luck next year...I would put Cinci in that group..Marvin will be gone and Cinci will be picking high with a bad year..New Coach..New QB. Kolb will fill another teams Vacant spot and Orton might be out with Tebow taking over this year or next. Wonder if teams are figuring in to getting a QB via trade once labor dispute is over.

My DirecTV guide says ESPNU is carrying the 2nd and 3rd day of the draft.

My mistake. Sorry, I misread it earlier..Thanks for pointing that out.

If you still have cable TV, then it's your own damned fault.

Mine too but I'll be watching it on NFL Network anyway.

My Guide has it on ESPN from 5-7 and ESPN2 from 7-9 on Friday, and then ESPN on Saturday from 11-7.

Unfortunately I have to work Thursday and Friday nights. I will probably be recording NFLN then though.

214 lives in DFW, though, which is central time zone. I think I'll be leaving work 15 min early on Friday.

I think this is our big board:

1) AJ Green
2) Patrick Peterson
3) Marcell Dareus
4) Von Miller
5) Nick Fairly
6) Julio Jones

With Colt McCoy getting the WRs together and with everyone in Berea saying Colt McCoy is our QB I honestly do not think Gabbert or Newton is in our top 10.

I don't think Miller is in our top list... Heckert tried to hide that he doesn't think much of him in the press conference, but he's no poker player.

I think we are relatively weak at linebacker if allowed to Blitz in a 4-3 attacking style I think he could be very effective. However, if we end up playing a tampa 2 style then we would be wasting Von Millers talent.

Anyone look at Scott Wrights mock draft recently? He has us drafting the entire UNC team....Seriously. He has the browns drafting Robert Quinn, Marvin Austin, and Greg Little. Is Butch Davis our GM?

I would think that our top 5 goes something like this .....

1) Dareus
2) Peterson
3) Fairly
4) Green
5) Miller

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I sure hope they don't pick Peterson or Any Defensive back if they stay at 6

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Yeah...Let's pass on who many have rated as the #1 or #2 player in this draft...

We gotta take Peterson if he's there...Lockdown the outside and don't worry about it anymore...Then build up the interior of the line and get that Pass Rusher...

This D could be Top 10 in 2 years...

With Haden, Peterson and Ward back there, I think you could rightfully say that it improves to be within the Top 5 virtually overnight and they could very well be together for a long, long time!

If Peterson is there and the Browns don't draft him, then I'm not a happy Browns fan. If they trade down, it had better be to SF to select whichever CB they don't take (either Peterson or Amukamara) and to get SF 2nd this year or next years 1st rounder.

I might be persuaded to think that would be acceptable. That would still potentially get us a Top 5 defensive backfield for a long, long time and give us another high quality selection either this year or next.

I am now less-inclined to get a WR at #6.
We probably should go 'D' and I have warmed to the idea of another top corner with that pick. A trade down sounds intriguing, also.

Other Random Thoughts: this year's draft kinda snuck up on me. I haven't looked forward to is as I usually do.

I wish they'd do two rounds on Thursday night.

If Peterson is not there, I don't want to go Prince... Peterson is quite possibly the best player in the draft.. after him, then we need DE or WR.

I agree, although I started a Mock last week. I got to pick 17 and then I forgot what site I was on. With this labor dispute and lack of free agency, it took some of the luster away.

Wondering if the new players will be allowed to do Press conferences and work out at the facility considering they are not currently in a dispute until under contract.

I did see Scott Wrights Mock and was going to post something yesterday..Three NC players in the first three rounds..Never happen Scott.

If I had to make a big board it'd look something like this:

#1. AJ Green- Its no secret that our two biggest needs are WR and DL/Pass Rush. I give AJ Green the nod over Marcel Dareus simply because this is a deep DL draft and very good talent can be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. After Green and Jones its a bit of a fall to the next tier of WR. That being said Green looks like a sure thing, dont see much bust potential. If he can give us a legit #1 WR threat it will only go on to help Robiskie and MoMass and give McCoy a legit target.

#2. Marcel Dareus- No way will he still be on the board when we pick but if he is still there, Green is the only player I take before him and even then its a struggle. He is a dominant D-lineman who is capable of not only stuffing the run but rushing the passer as well. He's not on Suh's level like last year but he will be a VERY good player to whoever takes him.

#3. Patrick Peterson- Though we picked Haden last year, some say the most important position to find is a good cornerback. You pick Peterson and you essentially can forget about CB for years to come and focus on strengthening other aspects of this team. Many boards have him as the #1 player overall. Some say hes more of an athlete than corner, others say hes the next Deion Sanders (field-playwise). The kid is raw and will only get better. My only concern would be in 5 years or so when Haden and Peterson would be FA's, would the Browns have enough money to keep both.

#4 Julio Jones- I would put Von Miller here but our lack of a true #1 wideout absolutely killed the offense last season. No one could get separation so they just started focusing on the TE's and Hillis. While I don't think he's quite on par with Green and there are concerns regarding his foot, I still believe Jones is going to be a great WR in the NFL. We need a wideout plain and simple, so much that even though Miller may be ranked higher, the need is greater. Besides, after this the next to WR's I here coming off the board are Leonard Hankerson or Randall Cobb, again a far cry from Green and Jones.

#5. Von Miller- I cant put my finger on it but theres something about Miller I don't like. I think he's a better fit for the 3-4 defense and I've heard some concerns about his pass coverage ability. His pass rush would still be very welcome but in a 4-3 the linebackers are relied in coverage more often than pass rush. He'll still be a very good player and I would not have any problem taking him.

I say If Peterson is there... Take HIM!!! and keep him. But he wont be.
The kids a stud.


Prediction: We trade down with Dallas n grab Julio/Prince instead. I dont know the trade charts but their second this year and next years first with a later round pick this year N I'll be happy.

Also... Expect Bellicheck to be making moves on draft day. I think he's eyeing Peterson/Green

random thoughts! Mark Ingram!

It's 7 am, and my heart is overrulling my mind, but really my mind cannot find a downside. Suppose the pick WAS Mark Ingram, what's the downside?

Possible downside#1, you passed up the best RB this year and he turns into the next Tony Dorsett. No because this is taking him

#2, the QB isnt ready, No because Colt McCoy is as much of a hope as a pick of any of the Qb's this year

#3 Hey Hey TL, what about Peyton Hillis? so what, how is it a downside to have Another possible credible Factor Back?

#4 His bust potential? C'mon this player has been hyped on college boards for a long time, he won the Heisman TWO years ago , he has longevity,

#5 He's not wanted by others? Mike and Mike just said the Pats will probably get him, Hmm they don't know what they've been doing the last decade

#6 There's a better player at his position? GET Real , This year there is little top level talent at the offensive skilled positions and this guy is the clear #1 at Runningback

#7 He can't catch passes out of the backfield? So what, he's not trying to be Brian Westbrook, he's trying to be Marcus Allen, or Jerome Bettis, or Emmit Smith

Merry Christmas! It's draft day,


I dont' expect ANYONE, because Noone on this board has agreed in the past that RB is the most important, and the offense in general, I just know that every year there is a chance that you passed on the next Tony Dorsett, and nobody has commanded the league like he did since, except for Joe Montana and Montana did it with the system.

The Pro Football Hall of Fame is dominated by players at 2 positons on the football field
Running Back!
and Linebacker!

It's 7 am and the last 12 hours, I keep thinking Mark Ingram, Mark Ingram, man it would be great
I would be so Thrilled if Mark Ingram was the pick at #6 he may be the safest pick in this draft, he may be the next Marcus Allen, this may be a 12 year player in a league with a 4 year avg.

I'm saying the 2 Safest picks are this guy and maybe Phil Taylor

Mark Ingram, what is the downside?
He's not flashy enough, he's not superstar enough, he's gonna want too much money

Hillis' success would make INgram and Hillis Both better and more signable, plus provide for a reason to keep Vickers.

Rb's never get paid as much as Qb's anyway and having Hillis and even Hardesty on the roster would make this pick more likely not less likely to get into camp!

Having a camp battle is a good thing

The Cleveland Browns did trade up in 2010 to get Hardesty a runningback, and because of injury he produced zero in that season.
So the team has shown it is important.

Mark Ingram, I say the Safest pick, and Solid too, man can you imagine

It is just like all you other thinkers who want to solidify another side with a Peterson pick,
Just think how much an Ingram pick would solidify the Browns backfield.

We gotta get this guy? Why not!

I personally feel WORSE about the Browns passing up on a chance to pick Ingram with the #6 overall, and potentially leaving the next hall of fame RB, then I would feel if the do get him and they get Brady Quinn type production out of him the next 3 years.

short read: Can the Browns afford Not to draft Mark Ingram?

Ive liked Ingram for a long time.

PP is the man though! You talk about the Dawgs revisited! Peterson and Haden, the new breed!

And there are alot of concerns with Ingram's knee as well. I would fall out of my lazyboy if he was the pick at 6.

I'm not liking alot of final mocks..... Gabbert is sliding thru to 6 with Newton, von Miller, Dareus, Green and Peterson gone. That is worse case scenario for me, unless we can trade out of there to a QB hungry team. And if that is the case, it would work out nicely.

Who's gonna gather in the chat room and what time?

The actions faster in there!

Every team in the league can afford to pass up on Ingram in the first.

Just wondering if anyone was planning on being on the Dawgtalkers Chat this evening during the first round?

Might be fun