Sure felt like the Browns got away with , something on that last big run, the run by Chubb.
The Browns player ended up on top of the defenders back just about the line of scrimmage as Chubb turned the corner. So, holding or block in the back.
edit: it was a skinny player, too small to be a lineman or even the TE from what I think I saw, I'm not accusing the OL of the penalty, maybe it was incidential, not sure how it happened, but I thought it was probably coming back, up till he stepped out of bounds on the 1, I haven't seen that before.
A play I think will get overlooked was that PI call on Higgins. That was such a high IQ play by Bake. He know Houston was going to be aggressive, especially with the playclock running down to 1 second.
He threw his finger up to Stefanski to tell him not to call the TO then immediately hard count with between 1 and 2 seconds left and got Houston to jump offsides for the free play. Even without the PI, that would have got us a first down on 3rd and 4. Used Houston’s aggression and the clock to his advantage.
Better not hear anymore of this “Baker sucks! Replace him!” nonsense in here.
Baker was pretty pedestrian. Missed a couple of easy 1st down conversions that should have been pitch and catch. That's not winning football. That's football that makes you ask if the guy is just destined to be an average player.
On the flip side he has a penchant for making 3rd and long conversions like no other QB in the league. The one to Higgins was winning football.
Overall, the teams did their jobs. Very few penalties. D held Deshaun to a single score. O scored a clutch TD. Teams in general looked well-coached. O-line looks like it's returning to form. Baker didn't hurt us, made some nice plays, some smart throw-aways. But we are blessed to have Garret, Chubb, and Hunt. All three had key plays that directly affected the outcome. So good to have Chubb back. Good win. 6-3 GO BROWNS!
Because there was 56 seconds left. A quick TD and a onside recovery - they can still win.
Didn't the Browns give up 3 TDs in under 4 or 5 minutes to the Bears one year (under Butch?)? ... two kneel downs and it was an unwinnable game by Houston.
The first first down of that final drive, were 3 runs to Hunt, The 4th run to Hunt was a big gain,
Quarter for Quarter, all day, and going the extra effort,
I think Kareem Hunt really helped them, took the lion share of the win today!
It was midway through the 3rd before I was even sure if Chubb was going to play.
Ya Chubb got the Big run in the end, and Hooper, Peoples Jones, Higgins, but I'm watching Hunt put in the work, and if they don't get those first downs to run the clock, then the Games still going on.
Also. RAC's team played the classic meltdown game today, that we are so used to watching.
The first first down of that final drive, were 3 runs to Hunt, The 4th run to Hunt was a big gain,
Quarter for Quarter, all day, and going the extra effort,
I think Kareem Hunt really helped them, took the lion share of the win today!
It was midway through the 3rd before I was even sure if Chubb was going to play.
Ya Chubb got the Big run in the end, and Hooper, Peoples Jones, Higgins, but I'm watching Hunt put in the work, and if they don't get those first downs to run the clock, then the Games still going on.
Also. RAC's team played the classic meltdown game today, that we are so used to watching.
He thought they could come back from a 10 pt deficit with 55 seconds left.
Yeah. That could never happen to the Browns.
Both QBs struggled with the wind. Most of us knew the weather would be a big factor today. Love that Chubb is back. The combination of Chubb and Hunt is so sweet.
Chubb is one of the most unselfish players in the NFL and a class act. He plays for the team and not himself.
I absolutely agree with everything you said. Of course, taking one yard off your rushing total doesn't affect your season total really. And backs are usually remembered for yards, not td's.
Better not hear anymore of this “Baker sucks! Replace him!” nonsense in here.
Baker was pretty pedestrian. Missed a couple of easy 1st down conversions that should have been pitch and catch. That's not winning football. That's football that makes you ask if the guy is just destined to be an average player.
On the flip side he has a penchant for making 3rd and long conversions like no other QB in the league. The one to Higgins was winning football.
He's a frustrating player right now.
Why can’t we just say he’s growing and learning in a system designed to take better advantage of his strengths? Imagine him in year 5 of this offense. We just won this game with 2 backs over 100 yds rushing. Basically just flipped the Raiders game.
Chubb: When he scores a TD, he doesn’t showboat. Tosses the ball to the ref, celebrates a bit with his teammates and jogs to the sideline.
Class.
Hunt: One play in the fourth quarter on a run over RG, he looked to be stopped for a yard or two but kept his legs churning, ended up with seven or eight. TJ Watt turned to the ref, I think asking why there was no whistle. There was no whistle because Hunt kept fighting.
Baker didn’t make costly mistakes, converted that third and long on our TD drive, his biggest play, at a crucial moment. Neither QB did much.
I’d like some of the D-minded folks here to explain why we only gave up 7 points today (aside from the weather conditions).
The Texans didn’t get much on the ground, unlike the Raiders. Mack looked more involved today, Ward was good as usual. We tackled well, I thought, and had tighter coverage on the under routes.
But if I'm being objective about his game today it was backup worthy.
I would like to see him play in a game without horrible wind.
Not being able to convert 3rd and short pitch and catch plays doesn't have anything to do with the wind. Baker's inability to convert a 3rd and 4 set up Watson's TD drive.
I think that it was difficult conditions that made the game low scoring. Very few passes beyond 10 yards were completed. Neither QB could do a thing. Reading anything into this game about Bakers play is a fools errand.
He didn't look all that great. Could have cost us the game.If we needed him to throw us back into this game we would have been in trouble. Great defense and running game. Go browns!!
Because we were at midfield, you bozo. If we draw them off it's an automatic 1st and a free play. If we false start we essentially lose nothing, and...oh, what's that? Houston had to burn a time out...
Tight game, backs to the goalposts, just trying to grind out a 1st down... Coach has the presence of mind to remind players not to score? Good stuff. Freddie would have tried to score twice.
Mayfield made key plays at key times when the team put everything on his shoulders. There were times when the playcalling,running game, and penalties just weren't working and were putting him in very tough spot. He came through for his team today even though it might not show up in the numbers. - twice the team was backed up against the endzone with the running game doing nothing and he picked up first downs. - on the touchdown drive he pulled the team out of a 3rd and 18 and a 2nd and 18 situation.
Easy to forget these plays in a game like this, but these plays all probably change the score of the game.
I can't say I remember Walter tackling Bob Hayes. I do remember Dale Lindsay diving to tackle Hayes in an open field and preventing a 1st down. I'm sure it was a playoff game in either "68 or "69
I don’t care if it’s baker mayfield or Aaron Rodgers.
If you’re QB only needs to throw the ball 20 times because you have two studs punishing the defense in a WIN, there shouldn’t be a team, FO, or fan base that wouldn’t take that every Sunday.
We are 6-3, and we got our stud RG and RB back. I’m completely happy with the direction of this team.
I don’t care if it’s baker mayfield or Aaron Rodgers.
If you’re QB only needs to throw the ball 20 times because you have two studs punishing the defense in a WIN, there shouldn’t be a team, FO, or fan base that wouldn’t take that every Sunday.
We are 6-3, and we got our stud RG and RB back. I’m completely happy with the direction of this team.
I'd be happy with a Trent Dilfer superbowl win for this team.
- For whatever reason, the 6-3 does not seem real. Maybe it's the schedule. Maybe it's that we've only put up a decent showing against one good team. If we're calling Indy a good team. At any rate, glad to be 6-3 but it seems fragile. Like if I say it too often it will evaporate.
- So good to see Chubb and Teller back in the game.
- Good rotation with Chubb and Hunt. They stay fresher a lot longer than HOU's D did.
- LOL at the one announcer that said he's like to see more consistency from Teller. He's just the highest rated OG in the league.
- Chubb is football smart, team first. But he ticked a lot of people off who bet CLE to cover. Then again, they picked CLE to cover. So that's on them.
- I may be wrong, but it seemed to me Watt was not a huge factor.
- Second game in a row (LV) where, on the scoreboard, the D looked as though they did a good job. Prevented the big play.
- Unlike the LV game, the D managed some stops.
- However, our D absolutely blows at tackling. I mean, it is embarrassingly bad. Almost Biblically poor.
- Sandejo is still Sandejo. Ball carriers bouncing off him as if he is barely an inconvenience. Really bad in coverage. On HOU's TD he was covering a very empty part of the end zone. No one within 5 yards of him.
- Is it me, or does it seem Sandejo jumps on the pile?
- I know I am pretty harsh when it comes to Sandejo. I do not question his heart or his desire. It's just that he is not good at his job. And that effects my favorite team.
- Stefanski has not yet made me question his clock management. But I do not understand those time outs at the end of the 1st half.
Overall, the teams did their jobs. Very few penalties. D held Deshaun to a single score. O scored a clutch TD. Teams in general looked well-coached. O-line looks like it's returning to form. Baker didn't hurt us, made some nice plays, some smart throw-aways. But we are blessed to have Garret, Chubb, and Hunt. All three had key plays that directly affected the outcome. So good to have Chubb back. Good win. 6-3 GO BROWNS!
This is the kind of common sense post I live for.
Not every missed throw means that a team's QB needs to be replaced. Not every dropped pass means a WR needs to get thrown upon the chopping block.
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Base-level post-game:
Whether CLE plays at home in inclement weather, or on the road in a dome... the answer to The Challenge is simple: Make every team that plays us choke on a steady diet of run game- right down their throats.
There is simply no NFL answer for a Chubb/Hunt-based attack, if
1. Browns can commit to The Run Game as their identity 2. Baker Mayfield can competently manage a game.
At this point- in Year One of this brand-new admin/Kevin Stefanski HC story, 'Game Manager' should absolutely be the only role Baker Mayfield is encouraged to learn and master... no matter what 'Season 2020' brings.
The biggest takeaway for me today was the last drive. We were able to drive over 90 yards on the ground and run off almost 5 minutes off the clock. That was a superb drive when we needed it most.
What are the thoughs on that unsportmanlike call on that tackle? I’ve tried remembering who it was but can’t, lol. I thought the wr was in the air and the only thing to do was take him down.
Extend Teller now. It looks like it will only get more expensive if we wait. Once he got back in the groove, we were rolling.
Was nice to see Chubb looking healthy, too.
Mack Wilson looked like he might be getting back closer to full speed as well.
Still don't believe Sendejo can possibly be our best option at safety. Watson was staring down the left side of the endzone on his TD and Sendejo was just hanging out in no man's land. He might be able to recite the defense to you backwards, but his instincts appear to be non-existent. I'm ready to see what Moffatt's got. Let Sendejo help get guys lined up from the sidelines, though I feel like they should have a pretty good idea on their own by now.
pdawg, that was a great drive. The Texans were commited to stopping the run, they knew we were going to run and we still ran it down the throat of their defense. Great blocking up front and a great two headed monster at running back!
Baker 60% w/ 132yrds ZERO interceptions QBR 85.6. In that wind it was a very good and well managed performance. Chubb & Hunt each over 100 yards and their difference in running styles caused havoc. I have to say this is the toughest I've ever seen Hunt fight. He and Chubb feed off each other. O line pretty much made Watt a non-factor AND w/ for the most part single coverage. They are gelling and the RB's were given some nice lanes! D did a great job of containing Watson. They and the weather caused his lowest QBR this year, by a large margin. The 'no mas' at the end was BRILLIANT! Chubb scared me w/ that last run.. then I was LMAO....
I have been very critical of the defense. They played a good game.
The Texans only score was very close to not happening.
Ronnie Harrison has proven to be a great pick up. So glad we have him. He made a bunch of plays. He shows speed, instincts, and is a sure tackler.
Wilson who had played poorly had a good game. He made tackles and started to react better overall.
Teams in our division have to play outdoors. That means you have to be able to adjust to conditions. You can not be one dimensional. You have to embrace the conditions and still thrive. If you have to run. Then you must execute.
When our OL is in full gear our offense can run and pass.
Baker was good enough. Sometimes throwing the ball away or checking down are good plays. Other times you have to be accurate, and win games throwing. Yesterday was about trusting the game plan and not turning it over.
Maybe next week we have to win throwing?
Having Chubb and Hunt behind a great line is luxury no other team has. When you have it. Use it.
Great feeling being 6-3.
I don't know where we will end up but it feels damn good being here now.
What did you gain after wasting our possession with time running out? Maybe it was brilliant NFL clock management, but I saw no logic in it. Why, before the half, did it happen that way with timeouts?
Teller clearly makes a big difference IMO. He’s a freaking mauler and the last drive it was so apparent ... the first 2-3 plays when he pulled and we got out of our own end zone was impressive
Really happy for Chubb and Teller coming back. The announcers were talking up Hunt all game... perhaps even dissing Chubb a little bit. I was ok with it because I think Hunt usually doesn't get the love he deserves. Anyways, Chubb quietly turned in a 100+ game when all was said and done. That last run sure did help, I'm sure... but he had to work hard pretty much all game. Watching our 2 runners really is a thing of beauty. You have Chubb with the vision and slipperyness, and then Hunt with the BOOM.
Defense seemed to have a gameplan and executed it. Nothing fancy, just some decent D. This is an improvement.
Higgins and Landry had good games. Good to have Hooper back. DPJ looked a little more comfortable fielding kicks, but then had that brain fart at the end.
I thought Mayfield played very meh. He had some smart plays (even the grounding penalty was him doing the right thing, just not quite getting it where it needed to go), and he had some really nice throws, but overall he had a weak game. Weather probably didn't help, but the Texans were clearly selling out for the run, and the run had to break through in order to win the game.
I was fine with the tackling unsportsmanlike. I won't discourage any physicality with our D. I was not fine with the taunting unsportsmanlike. That was just dumb.
The biggest takeaway for me today was the last drive. We were able to drive over 90 yards on the ground and run off almost 5 minutes off the clock. That was a superb drive when we needed it most.
For sure. How many times over the years did we need a drive like that at the end of the game we had a lead in? Only to go 3 and out and punt. Yes Houston has a bad run defense but that was still a huge step for us to bleed the clock like that, and with all of it on the ground.
It would be nice to get a good weather game soon but I heard this morning next week's forecast is already bad.
It’s crazy that we’ve had such horrible/freak weather for home games. I mean, we all know it’s not going to be “nice” in Cleveland in November ... but 70mph gusts and hail? Haha my goodness
But if I'm being objective about his game today it was backup worthy.
I would like to see him play in a game without horrible wind.
Not being able to convert 3rd and short pitch and catch plays doesn't have anything to do with the wind. Baker's inability to convert a 3rd and 4 set up Watson's TD drive.
To be fair, he also had that conversion to Higgins. I've been somewhat critical of Baker this year, but he played on the same level as Watson yesterday. I do agree on the third and short being frustrating though.
I'd like to see how he plays when the wind dies down, and again when we have to rely on him more to win the game, like what happened with the Bengals. Yesterday, Stefanski was hell bent on beating the Texans with the run game, and it happened to work.
I like that they only used Chubb half the time. It’s such a benefit that we’ve had Hunt ... Dorsey getting Hunt, Teller, and Chubb on this roster has molded our identity
Our defense was practically robbed of a shutout. If it weren't for that pop up Watson threw while getting hit turning into a big gain, and Wilson giving Watson the "rock bottom" for a 15yd penalty.....that scoring drive would have stalled.
Both these guys were really good pick-ups for us. I hope Andrew Berry continues to look and find some players that can help us. I know John Dorsey is the one that got us Teller.
I'm not sure what Teller did to get ready last offseason, but, as long at it wasn't steroids or selling his soul to the devil, we need to get the rest of the OL on that regimen!
He's been a straight-up beast, and is just as critical to our run game success as Chubb.
And to think, we all thought the RG spot was going to be a weakness coming into the year! I echo the thoughts that we need to get him locked-up long term now while we still have some leverage!
Teller is a must extend for me at this point. He was surprisingly solid in the 1st half for missing so many games, but after getting beat by Luiget early in the 3rd he became an absolute beast for the remainder of the game.
Stefanski called an impressive game Sunday. What Browns fans should be most excited about (other than rooting for a 6-3 team) is the way Cleveland’s first-year head coach planned for the future while simultaneously winning a football game.
I think Stefanski only ran two plays out of pistol, used his tight ends like up backs once and gave Hunt a lone slot handoff, because it’s a tease. He showed enough to get the plays on tape. Now opponents must prepare for these formations while Stefanski gains intel on how defenses handle his new wrinkles.
Like an expert chess player, once a defensive coordinator develops a check move, in later weeks Stefanski will throw his counterattack.
A little late on this, but that was a really nice win for the Bronws. Once again they responded after a loss (the bye definitely helped don't get me wrong) against a team they have struggled with for years. Houston just always seems to have our number.
The game itself was not that watchable. I am not a fan of weather games. I know that will upset the caveman fans who think football should be played in the worst weather humanly possible.
The older I get the more I think the NFL should be played in climate controlled stadiums. Either get a dome or get what Indy has.
I went to the Big Ten championship some years ago. It was really cold outside. It was nice to take my seat and take my coat off. The quality of the game was much much better too.
I know people wanna rag on Baker, but his last 2 games have been played in complete dog crap weather. They went run heavy and that was the smart thing to do. This offense when Chubb and Hunt are in is just such a beast for teams to handle. If the Browns can ever figure out how to play defense, having those 2 in your backfield in the 4th quarter when guys are tired, hurt, etc... could be lethal. It ain't gonna happen this year, but maybe next year we can have a real defense.
6-3 is really good for this team. They have some games left on the schedule that they can win too. I do believe we will have a better showing against Pitt and Baltimore the second time around. Those to me are the most interesting games left. I want to see how Kevin Stefanski adjusts. I realize the Pitt game could be a throwaway, maybe even for both teams.
I have this sinking feeling that the Browns could have a repeat of 07, where you get 10 wins and no playoffs. It's possible. The win over Indy is certainly helpful, but that loss to the Raiders was a tough blow. You have a lot of 6-3 teams and teams around that as well right now. Lot of games left to play obviously but the Browns can't afford to lose games they should win.
Agreed and next weeks Philly game will be tough. We can control our own destiny at this point. We just have to take care of business.
Yup, and I know Philly looks bad right now, but I don't expect anything less than a nail biter.
That's why people trying to predict this kinda stuff before the season starts is just kinda stupid. You really don't know what you're getting into until that week arrives. People probably chalked up that Giants game as a W, and now? The Giants seem to be finding themselves a little bit these last few weeks.
Sperg, Philly is a better team than 3-5-1. They have had a lot of injuries and they are just now getting back their players. They need this game as badly as we do. It will be a tough game.
Sperg, Philly is a better team than 3-5-1. They have had a lot of injuries and they are just now getting back there players. They need this game as badly as we do. It will be a tough game.
Yeah that's the thing, they are still very very much alive in a playoff hunt, because of that division. That really changes a lot. Gonna be a battle.
Plus I think Dough Pederson is a good coach. I think it's a recipe for disaster for the Browns if they don't excecute.
Watching Chubb’s TD run again and we got lucky, Wills totally chop blocks #96 and it opens up a massive cutback for Chubb to score. I don’t mind it.
I saw a Browns guy on Twitter say this as well .. then someone replied that Bitonio had JUST disengaged and it wasn’t quite a penalty. Not sure what the rules are or if that’s even true, but I remember seeing the clip thinking we got a break too
One thing that really helped us on that play is that Watt gambled on it being play-action, and guessed wrong.
I know he’s a bit older now, but it’s crazy that I barely noticed Watt on the field. Remember when we played them like 5 years ago and he was literally EVERYWHERE
As each week passes I find myself more and more supporting Stefanski.
Maybe after all the head coaching turmoil we finally have our guy?
If we have truly cemented the head coach and GM it will be the most significant improvement since coming back into the league.
Sure seems like it. The team seems more organized. You also hear multiple guys, including key members of the team parroting his 1-0 message that he has gotten across to the team. That's a good sign that guys seem to be buying in this early.
Gotta beat the Steelers though. Gotta beat the Ravens too. I am so intersted to see how the team comes out in that MNF game now that Baltimore has showed some weaknesses as this year goes on.
We all flipped out after that week 1 beatdown, myself included, and now both teams are 6-3, and they have what could be a monumental matchup in front of the whole country on the horizon.
I think it is more our runners trying to stay behind the blockers to set up blocks/lanes and trying to see which side of a block to go to. But, gaps close fast in the NFL and if the runner tries to cut too closely off the back of a blocker and the defender can shed or another defender is coming in, then the runner is boxed. The moment they commit to one side, they are not restricted in where they can go until/unless they get past that blocker.