Originally Posted By: Spergon FTWynn That wasn't a very good game offensively for anyone, but the special teams in that game were crazy good. OSU did what they needed to get out of there with the W.
I think it's probably safe to say now that it will be down to the OSU/Michigan game. Nobody can screw up enough for this side of the division to be decided before the game.
I think it's pretty cool now that it actually means something. It's been pretty one sided, and that's awesome, but I think it's great for the conference. If i were setting the line for the game I would probably have it less than a fg OSU's way.
Gun to my head I think Michigan wins it this year, and that is based solely on Ohio State's struggles on defense and their glaring problems with the offensive line. Skill position wise I think they're a little better, but not much after that.
Northwestern is officially in the B1G championship game too. Hell of a job by them.
I have been pretty firm against expanding the field for the playoff, but one thing that does get to me would be that a team like Northwestern could get their shot. Right now, they know that at best, they're going to play spoiler for their own conference. If they win, they would assure the Big Ten out of the playoff. If things were expanded it would be cool to see Northwestern and smaller programs like Northwestern have something to play for all year.
Thats why I say 8 teams would be great say if NW wins the Big Ten they would be in the playoffs with the 5 major conference winners getting in and 3 wild cards ...
In what world would this be fair to actually good teams? This year proves why 8 teams shouldn't be in it. Probably why 4 teams is too many.
I get what you're saying, but I think in college football we reward middle of the road teams for losing to better teams a little too much...
5 conference winners, and 3 wild cards, which would assure you of that one or two teams every year that were good enough but didn't win their conference (Alabama last year, even though I constantly rip their schedule, and Ohio State in 2014)
Sorry man but in this situation, I don't feel bad for that 3rd or 4th place team in whatever conference that thinks they're better than UCF or someone else who won their conference.
I just cannot imagine a system in which the P5 get automatic bids that will still be fair not non majors. Imo expanding the playoffs rewards losing and cheapens the conference titles. Winning your conference should be a big deal for schools. NW has a chance to win a conference championship, spend their new years in LA and have a shot at winning the Rose Bowl. If they lose they'll be playing in the middle of December in the middle of the country. Sounds like they have plenty to play for.
I just cannot imagine a system in which the P5 get automatic bids that will still be fair not non majors. Imo expanding the playoffs rewards losing and cheapens the conference titles. Winning your conference should be a big deal for schools. NW has a chance to win a conference championship, spend their new years in LA and have a shot at winning the Rose Bowl. If they lose they'll be playing in the middle of December in the middle of the country. Sounds like they have plenty to play for.
I'm stuck between the way you feel, and taking a hard look at NW's situation. Is there really a difference football-wise between playing the Rose Bowl, and playing some crappy mid-december bowl? Aside from the pageantry and all that other stuff, you're still not playing for anything.
I'm definitely stuck between wanting it kept at 4, and expanding it.
On one hand, like I said, you give hope to everyone who is competing for their conference title a shot.
On the other hand, teams would definitely have opportunities to rest guys in certain situations. For instance, NW could rest guys this weekend because they know they're already playing for a conference title. Ohio State over the last few years have had 1 sometimes even 2 weeks knowing they were playing in Indy... That's not good for college football either.
I do think they'll expand it to either 6 or 8.
I just don't think there is a right answer. I with a 4 team playoff you'll have years where there are 2 maybe 3 additional teams that would have been great for the playoff...
And if you flipped it around and had an 8 team, you would have other years where 2 or 3 teams that got in, had no business being there. Guess it boils down to which would happen more.
Just glad we're having this conversation and not talking about the BCS. 100+ teams and you narrow it down to 2 was a little ridiculous. Although the previous setup was even worse, and probably brought out the most hilarious of takes back in the day.
Is there really a difference football-wise between playing the Rose Bowl, and playing some crappy mid-december bowl? Aside from the pageantry and all that other stuff, you're still not playing for anything.
There are only about 10 schools going into every season that legitimately have a chance to "play for anything" if the "anything"you are talking about is a national championship.. and in reality, might be less than that..
Everybody else defines "playing for something" differently.... for some it's the prestige of the bowl, for others its just eeking out the 6 wins to get to a bowl game at all... so yes, I would imagine that to NW players and fans, there is a monumental difference between the Rose Bowl and the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
Is there really a difference football-wise between playing the Rose Bowl, and playing some crappy mid-december bowl? Aside from the pageantry and all that other stuff, you're still not playing for anything.
There are only about 10 schools going into every season that legitimately have a chance to "play for anything" if the "anything"you are talking about is a national championship.. and in reality, might be less than that..
Everybody else defines "playing for something" differently.... for some it's the prestige of the bowl, for others its just eeking out the 6 wins to get to a bowl game at all... so yes, I would imagine that to NW players and fans, there is a monumental difference between the Rose Bowl and the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
Totally get your point, but football-wise, it's still meaningless.
Maybe there aren't more than 10 teams who really have a shot, but I still think the cinderella factor would be pretty cool. Plus triggering SEC fans would be hilarious.
Some dude who thinks Tennessee never wins because they're in the SEC and not because they are a giant heaping pile of dog crap every year LOL.
Maybe there aren't more than 10 teams who really have a shot, but I still think the cinderella factor would be pretty cool. Plus triggering SEC fans would be hilarious.
CFB doesn't do cinderellas the way CBB does.. it's just never going to happen... though I agree it would be cool.
the only possibility for a cinderella in CFB right now is UCF and barring some tragic bus crashes and debilitating illnesses to about 10 other teams, they are never going to get a shot.
Maybe there aren't more than 10 teams who really have a shot, but I still think the cinderella factor would be pretty cool. Plus triggering SEC fans would be hilarious.
CFB doesn't do cinderellas the way CBB does.. it's just never going to happen... though I agree it would be cool.
the only possibility for a cinderella in CFB right now is UCF and barring some tragic bus crashes and debilitating illnesses to about 10 other teams, they are never going to get a shot.
If this thing ever expended, I believe they would.
Right now? No chance. They'd have to schedule 2 really good teams OOC, and those seem to always be done years in advance. It sucks, because they are doing everything asked of them.
If this got expanded to 8, I think an undefeateed UCF team, esp after coming off last year, would get one of those wild card spots. I'd have no problem putting them in over some 2 loss team that somehow takes credit for losing to better teams...
I'm trying to see both sides of it. That part of it would be cool and exciting.
The other side of it would be us seeing the possible watering down of the most exciting regular season in all of sports. That is something I don't want to see ruined. I don't want teams resting guys or just playing half assed in their final week, just because they know they're already in.
I don't know if there can be a happy medium either. I don't know if 6 teams with 2 top seed byes would really be all that great. Would it be 5 conference winners and a WC? Would it just be an expansion of what we have now where we have a committee pick what they believe is the 6 best teams?
Was talking about this the other day, how about the committee picks 3, and the 4th and final team is a play in game, which would also be cool because you could stick it in the middle of December to keep college football games in the headlines. In that setting, you get 5 teams technically.
I don't know what the right way is. Regardless of what I think, I do believe this thing will be expanded in the next 5 or 6 years.
Good finish to the drive there. That's about the best I can say about the Buckeyes. I don't understand how a defense full of 4 and 5 star recruits can get gashed over and over by Maryland.
Like I said last year about us: "No lead is safe with this secondary." Probably the ugliest OSU win I have ever watched, and we were lucky to win it, even to get to overtime. I like going for two. Hats off to Maryland. They shamed us on their lucky day.
Should be an interesting week at practice this week, I think.
Can't say I am anxious to see more of the same next week.
I hope to god we don’t magically get into the playoffs.
We would get crushed.
I hope we do just because it would mean we beat ******* and then won the Big Ten championship game. Win those two and we'll almost certainly be in.
I don't think we're going to win the next two, nor do I think we're even close to a playoff-caliber team. A 1-loss Big Ten champ with the wins the Buckeyes would have isn't going to get left out, though.
What an awesome game!!! If it had been, like, a national championship game. As it were, the Bucks didn't help themselves 1 iota.
Needing OT to beat a 5-5 team? Getting slashed on the ground?
Next week could very well be embarrassing.
Its Ohio State Xichigan anything can Happen ... Shootout next Saturday in the Horseshoe at High Noon ... Go Buckeyes Beat TTUN
I know, when OSU plays that team, you throw the records out. Rivalry game, often times a lot to play for.
But dang, our d struggles big time.
We're having 40-60 people over Saturday. (never know the total until people are here.) About 6 of them are Michigan fans - including my wife. They've been quiet the last few years.
I'm afraid they'll be loud and obnoxious this year......
I hope to god we don’t magically get into the playoffs.
We would get crushed.
If OSU got into the playoffs, they will have end up beating #4 Michigan and #22 Northwestern. Beating those teams with the playoffs on the line SHOULD make you feel more positive of their chances, not hoping to God they don’t get in.
I think there are just too many teams to climb at this point. It’s not like previous years where 2-3 top 10 teams tend to lose each of the final weeks.
There are still a lot of games to be played. We'll see what happens. Ohio State has to improve drastically by next week, otherwise the playoff talk won't matter.
I have to agree with Swish here. No way I want the Bucks in the playoffs. Don't get me wrong, I desperately want them to beat that one team, and I'd love to see them win the Big 10. I'm just afraid that, if they do, and IF they would make the 4 team playoff, they'd get shellacked.
I hope to god we don’t magically get into the playoffs.
We would get crushed.
If OSU got into the playoffs, they will have end up beating #4 Michigan and #22 Northwestern. Beating those teams with the playoffs on the line SHOULD make you feel more positive of their chances, not hoping to God they don’t get in.
I think there are just too many teams to climb at this point. It’s not like previous years where 2-3 top 10 teams tend to lose each of the final weeks.
Anything can happen if you get in ... We can score with anyone
I believe the committee would definitely take a 1 loss Alabama and Clemson over us,
Probably a 1 loss ND and Oklahoma Probably a 2 loss Georgia
Then it's a pick'm between a 1 loss, OSU, WSU, WV and a 2 loss LSU (Not counting ichigan because to even consider OSU getting in we have to assume a win over ichigan)
I agree with some of those and disagree with a couple others. For example, throw out any 2 loss non-champion.. those won't get in ahead of a 1 loss champion of a power five conference.
Like I said though, there's a lot of football to be played, including games among some of the above teams.
I'd revise one of my above posts and say that if the Buckeyes win the next two, they'll probably get in the playoffs. 'Almost certainly' is putting it too strongly.
I have to agree with Swish here. No way I want the Bucks in the playoffs. Don't get me wrong, I desperately want them to beat that one team, and I'd love to see them win the Big 10. I'm just afraid that, if they do, and IF they would make the 4 team playoff, they'd get shellacked.
I like you arch, but sorry that seems like a weak mentality and I don't think you have one. But...Who cares if they get shellacked in the playoffs? Better to make it, than play in some meaningless bowl game.
I just don’t understand how any Buckeye fans are rooting against their team to get into the CFP. Anything can happen.
Could you imagine any of us rooting against the Browns to get the last wildcard spot because we might lose badly if we get in? Just odd.
Fully agree with this.
Besides what the those fans aren’t taking into account is the time off between the conference game and playoffs/bowl games.
The Big 10 conference game is Dec 1. The college football playoff semi-finals starts Dec 29. Just a couple days less than a month between games.
Players at this time of year aren’t playing at 100% healthy. This is the period of time when the players get to heal up and rest their bodies.
The next game is not in a week. During the season, coaches only have a few days to shove a ton of information (scouting reports/film, new plays to use and etc) down the players throats, they are letting some things (like bad habits or fundamentals) go, because they don’t have time to correct it. They have the big picture to think about. This time is where the coaches go back to not only focusing on their opponents, but back to working on the basics like the individual positional issues and fundamentals (for the love of all that’s holy, teach our LBs / DBs how to take angles, lol ).
This is where you will see growth in some players, where a player during the regular season that might of been not getting much playing time...all of a sudden is playing in the big moments or surpasses another player in the bowl/playoffs. This time is beneficial to all players, but another thing to think about is this is big for those incoming Frosh (those that didn’t enroll early) that weren’t there for last years Spring practice, workout sessions, and drills, because they were still in HS. They might have had a ton of talent, but didn’t get those extra reps, that they needed to add weight or muscle/strength to see the field earlier in the year.
This is college football, anything crazy can happen... just like college basketball. This isn’t like professional sports where most of us already have an idea, who will make the playoffs before the season starts....i.e Patriots, Golden State, the Red Sox, etc. This is where you see a team like UCF going undefeated and winning a bowl game or OSU a couple years back playing ..so so all year, losing two QBs, then going off through the playoffs. I will take that chance any day knowing, I’m one of 4 teams that could win it all. All it takes is for OSU to play a hell of a game or for the opponent to keep shooting themselves in the foot (like we did today).
Last point, is just the usual hindsight. I know a few expressed this with if this happens then I want this end result. Say we go to one of the regular bowl games and win or blow out a top 10 opponent. That highsight will kick in and we will be talking about how if only we would’ve just been in the playoffs.
Michigan -3.5 at OSU Auburn +24 at Bama LSU +1 at Texas A&M UF -4 at FSU Purdue -4 at IU Oklahoma -2.5 at WVU Wash +3 at Wash. St. UCF -13.5 at USF GA Tech +18 at UGA Notre Dame -8 at USC South Carolina +25 at Clemson
Ohio State has beaten Michigan 13 of the last 14 times, and they're playing in Columbus.
Granted, Michigan has looked like a better and definitely more consistent team this year, no argument there. Just putting some caution out there for all the would-be bettors.
I won't say I'm fearful about the Michigan game but it's the first time since Urban has been our HC that I have a very uneasy feeling about the match up.
I think the difference between us is I go by watching them play. They have lacked any real luster against unranked teams. Squeaked by or just pulled away late in games against weak competition. It's not been impressive.
Maryland was 5-5 going into this weeks game. You can trust some stats and I'll trust my eyes.
Your eyes have proven over the years to be way more accurate than stats ... especially a cherry picked stat that came out of a bin with 25 other relevant “stats” in it ...
I really wish they did an SEC/Big 10 challenge like they do in hoops ... most years it’d be an ass whoopin of epic proportions .... kinda like the one you’d put on my boys most years if we played ya’all ... *LOL* ..
After all that the Maryland football team has been through this year, I was happy to see them show up and play well...
All I kept thinking during the game as MD gouged OSU on the ground and Haskins almost single handedly kept OSU in the game was... Haskins committed to MD first, before they fired their coach. (I don't blame Haskins mind you)
MD is easily a 8-9 win team with a QB like Haskins.. with that running game AND a QB who threatens you down the field? Good grief...
I was glad they went for 2, dude was wide open too.. just missed him.
Ohio State is ranked 7th in the NCAA power rankings (FPI) which is the overall strength of your schedule and team as a whole.
Now I have a bone to pick, 3 teams ranked ahead of OSU are all far behind us in the FPI:
Washington State (15) LSU (19) UCF (Unranked) ??? Hummmmmmmmmm
What's happening is that there is too much focus on the P5 as well as the biggest media giant favoring their business partner. Why is the Ohio State backup led LSU team higher than OSU? It makes no sense. The only one that is credible is UCF. They got screwed last year like no other. They would've been screwed in an 8 team playoff too. If it wasn't for the backlash last year, they wouldn't be ranked ahead of us. Nope. If you want to celebrate people for winning the Big 12, Pac 12 and SEC East (sorry Peen. I know you guys are the better division this year, so don't scold too badly), then you must reward going undefeated. If not, like I said earlier, you're only rewarding losing and being a loser. Winning 12 to 13 games a year, going undefeated going into your bowl game, used to occur. Trying to get that standard is what set dynasties apart from championship teams. Ohio State needs to take that step at becoming a dynasty. The best way to do that is to elevate the importance on never losing as a team. That's just my opinion of course.
I think the difference between us is I go by watching them play. They have lacked any real luster against unranked teams. Squeaked by or just pulled away late in games against weak competition. It's not been impressive.
Maryland was 5-5 going into this weeks game. You can trust some stats and I'll trust my eyes.
Michigan played a 5-5 Indiana team at home this past week, was losing at half and was only up 8 most of the 4th until a very late FG. Also, Michigan is supposed to be way better than OSU too.
I’m not saying that to prove anyone right or wrong, but both teams struggled against 5-5 average Big10 Joe’s.
I think this will come down to whoever has the ball last. It might be a 56-59 game. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised about an game OT either.
I have no horse in the race, I root for Toledo. I just like the rivalry because I grew up on it.
I've always liked the rivalry. I'm 60 and have watched this match up ever since I can remember. I just know that our D is more leaky than an old rusty bucket and over the course of the season Michigan has played much better ball.
As always I'll be sitting in front of my TV in OSU gear rooting on my team and hoping for the best.
Still feel like Michigan wins the game. Although with the point spread favoring UM, and most people picking UM could be a rallying point for OSU.
I just don't like OSU's defense. They haven't been good since Nick Bosa went down. They gave up chunk plays, they don't really force that may turnovers (only 7 INT on the year which is insane for Ohio State).
They can't run the ball that well, they're awful in short-distance situations.
I do think Dwayne Haskins is head and shoulders better than Patterson. What Haskins is doing, carrying a bad defense and a mediocre-at-best run game is pretty amazing. I still think he should be a Heisman finalist. I hope he sticks around another year, but if he's going to get a first round grade, nobody would blame him for going.
I just think Michigan has a bit more to play for. Harbaugh needs this win more than Meyer has needed any win at Ohio State. For Urban Meyer it feels like this could be end of his run (rumors floating around about him stepping down at the end of the season)
Good thing for OSU is that this game tends to have an early energy for everyone, so if they can ride that into some early luck, maybe they get in rhythm, but I just don't know how anyone can realistically feel that great about this after watching the Maryland game.
I'm excited though, this type of matchup is really what the rivalry should be all about, and hasn't been for some time now.
Ohio State is going to win. Michigan doesn't play well on the road. They haven't won in Columbus since 2000. Their two best players on defense got hurt in the Indy game and may not play.
Harbaugh doesn't coach well in big games. I think Meyer is the better coach and OSU has the better QB. Having said that, if this game were in Ann Arbor Michigan wins, but since it's in Columbus, OSU will win and will be in the Big Ten championship game and will beat Northwestern.
Ohio State will beat Michigan and get to the BT championship game. Michigan hasn't won in Columbus since 2000 and that streak will continue. Looks like Meyer will retire at the end of the season and OSU will be more motivated then ever to beat Michigan and win another championship for Meyer.
I'm amazed at the amount of trash fans and players of Michigan football are talking. Like holy god have you not watched this "rivalry" the last 20 years?
I do think UM wins, but if Ohio State pulled it off, I wouldn't be that surprised. While Ohio State has had their struggles, Michigan hasn't really beaten anyone this year. I'm not saying OSU has because it's worse, but they're also not getting too many accolades at the moment, meanwhile Michigan beat an underwhelming Penn State team and Northwestern. Ok.
I'm amazed at the amount of trash fans and players of Michigan football are talking. Like holy god have you not watched this "rivalry" the last 20 years?
I do think UM wins, but if Ohio State pulled it off, I wouldn't be that surprised. While Ohio State has had their struggles, Michigan hasn't really beaten anyone this year. I'm not saying OSU has because it's worse, but they're also not getting too many accolades at the moment, meanwhile Michigan beat an underwhelming Penn State team and Northwestern. Ok.
That's all they can do is talk. OSU has dominated them for the last 10 years or so.
Here's why OSU will win today.... Better head coach. Better QB. Better OL. Home field advantage. Michigan doesn't play well on the road. UM usually starts slow and gets behind early in road games. UM has trouble defending middle of the field. UM defense gives up some big plays on the road.
- I love the browns and root for them every week DESPITE the THIEF ...i was a fan of the browns long before our POC canoe along ...
- not a fan of Kelly’s .. he was an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE with his sideline behavior .. pretty sure he was told 3 years ago ENOUGH cause his sideline antics have stopped ... HE HELPED RUIN KIZER ... HELPED RUIN HIM ... he also has NEVER TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING NEGATIVE during games or surronding the program ... NOT THE EXAMPLE I WANT SET FOR MY 18 - 22 year olds ...
- i love ND and root for them DESPITE the douche ...
U GUYS LOVE OSU .... appearantly you either have NO CLUE what the Liar did in Fla. as far as recruiting goes or u have a way different moral compass than i do ... u can still LOVE OSU and aknowledge there coach is a POC ...
I can’t stand Kelly but hes not a POC like Meyer ... NOT EVEN CLOSE ...
So far so god for ya’all and YOUR SCUMBAG of a coach .. i’m hoping for the same kind of day from the dawgs and OUR SCUMBAG of an OWNER ...
Uh yeah, Brian Kelly basically killed a kid, and also probably helped cover up the rape of a young girl who went on to commit suicide. Meyer was wrong for not putting Zach smith on leave but Brian Kelly and Notre Dame football are an absolute disgrace that consistently get a pass for that garbage.
I also remember him shortening Michael Floyd’s suspension for dui to one quarter lmao. What a joke.
For the record, from Notre Dame's perspective, I don't think it really matters who wins between Michigan and Ohio State. Either could be possible one loss Big Ten champions.. six of one, half a dozen of another.
You could make the argument that Michigan has generally looked like a better team this year. That might factor in if compared to say, Oklahoma, but Notre Dame has the head to head win against Michigan, to go along with an undefeated record. I think Notre Dame just has to take care of business vs USC.
21-19 after Michigan touchdown, Ohio State fumble on kickoff, and another Michigan touchdown, for those not following along. At least they missed the two point conversion to tie.
Now is when I wish we had a big blaster type RB like Eddie George to wear that Defense down and eat clock, although another Zeke would be okay too, LOL.
I've not followed Michigan much as a program or any staff contract extensions. All I know is Harbaugh is 0-4 against Ohio State. Does anyone think he is legitimately on the hot seat?
I've not followed Michigan much as a program or any staff contract extensions. All I know is Harbaugh is 0-4 against Ohio State. Does anyone think he is legitimately on the hot seat?
I've not followed Michigan much as a program or any staff contract extensions. All I know is Harbaugh is 0-4 against Ohio State. Does anyone think he is legitimately on the hot seat?
He had no answer for OSU, and that should get him fired IMO. Brings back the memories of John Cooper, and Gordon Gee extending his contract which pissed off everyone in a 500mile radius of Columbus.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: MICHIGAN REVENGE TOUR CANCELED
COLUMBUS: Michigan football's Revenge Tour™ was abruptly canceled today during the 4th quarter of the Wolverines' loss to Ohio State, its seventh consecutive defeat in the rivalry and 16th in the last 18 seasons.
"I'm not sure what happened," said Michigan captain and DE Truck Stop Fabio. "We got every call all afternoon. Ohio State made a ton of mistakes. This doesn't seem fair."
The Buckeyes rolled up over 500 yards of offense as Dwayne Haskins went over 300 yards passing with five touchdowns, picking apart Don Brown's defense with the meticulousness of a forensics officer, or Chris Holtmann; either comparison works here.
"We have the best defense in the country," said Michigan star DT Actual Garbage Pail Kid. "Ask Rutgers or Western Michigan."
Disbelief washed over the visitor sideline as the inevitability washed over road team.
"I don't understand it, I guaranteed victory," said Comprehensively Average Running Back Karan Higdon. "Why didn't it work?"
I've not followed Michigan much as a program or any staff contract extensions. All I know is Harbaugh is 0-4 against Ohio State. Does anyone think he is legitimately on the hot seat?
He has to be.
He got outcoached so bad it wasn't even funny. People are saying the second half adjustments (or lack thereof) really hurt Harbaugh, but Michigan was never really in the game minus that crazy 45 seconds towards the end of the 1st half. That has to be a concern in Ann Arbor. They can have a great season, but if Harbaugh doesn't know how to beat Urban/Ohio State, then that's a big problem.
I've not followed Michigan much as a program or any staff contract extensions. All I know is Harbaugh is 0-4 against Ohio State. Does anyone think he is legitimately on the hot seat?
He has to be.
He got outcoached so bad it wasn't even funny. People are saying the second half adjustments (or lack thereof) really hurt Harbaugh, but Michigan was never really in the game minus that crazy 45 seconds towards the end of the 1st half. That has to be a concern in Ann Arbor. They can have a great season, but if Harbaugh doesn't know how to beat Urban/Ohio State, then that's a big problem.
It seems like Harbaugh runs his offense like he is still at Stanford. At Stanford he created a formula, that David Shaw still uses today, where he ran the ball with a great offensive line because those were the guys he could recruit at Stanford. He wasn't getting many five star guys at Stanford. Now at Michigan he runs the same offense despite having great guys across the board.
The TV camera showed Urban Meyer's wife crying in the stands as the game drew to a close. Listening to the post game presser, Urban was asked what it was like to greet his waiting wife and family as he entered the locker room after the win, and he seemed to have a momentary breakdown - too choked up to speak for a few moments. I think he's leaving after this season. If so, job well done, Coach.
I'm just glad the incesint Michigan smack talk will disappear from my FB page. I've got a lot of Michigan fan friends and just bit my lip all season with the smack talk. This is the happiest I've been in a long time with a Buckeye victory over TTUN.
I'm amazed at the amount of trash fans and players of Michigan football are talking. Like holy god have you not watched this "rivalry" the last 20 years?
I do think UM wins, but if Ohio State pulled it off, I wouldn't be that surprised. While Ohio State has had their struggles, Michigan hasn't really beaten anyone this year. I'm not saying OSU has because it's worse, but they're also not getting too many accolades at the moment, meanwhile Michigan beat an underwhelming Penn State team and Northwestern. Ok.
So happy to be wrong, and so happy to see so many trash talking Michigan fans once again get sent home with an L.
Great game by Ohio State. It really should have been a bigger blowout, considering the officiating was completely slanted toward Michigan. Awful job by the refs today. Didn't matter, because Michigan's defense got absolutely dusted by the OSU offense.
They also lucked out on that blunder by OSU special teams on that kickoff. This was complete domination by Ohio State.
It's crazy, but they're probably going to get into the playoff, and we had this thing done as of a few weeks ago.
I think that we should be in the playoffs if we beat Northwestern. People will point to Oklahoma's loss to Texas not being as bad as our loss to Purdue and that is true, but they didn't beat anyone near as good as TUN.
Of course, ESPN will rally against us because the Big 10 signed the deal w/Fox to broadcast so many of their games. That is going to be tough to overcome due to their national influence and ties to the committee.
Regardless, I'm proud of the team when even so many of our fans were dissing them. Hope some of you so-called fans lost a lot of money on the bets you were wolfing about. And in regards to the constant attacks on Urban's character, I will take the word of his former players over the word of biased punk reporters like Finnebaum and the posters who parrot his bird droppings.
Should be interesting finish to the season. Hang on....
The referees were Hard IN for giving the game to Mich, if you go back and look at the first quarter, Look at the drive killing penalties the refs gave to Ohio State, that weren't really penalties,
Between Ohio States first TD to go up 7-0 and their 2nd Td, several minutes later.
When watching, I just figured the fix was in and resolved myself to have to watch a stupid can't beat mich "and" the Refs day.
Ref's must have spent, FOUR OR FIVE BIG CALLS
to try to keep Mich in this game, but that team up north never had the lead, 0-0 6-7 and 19-21 was the closest they got.
The referees were Hard IN for giving the game to Mich, if you go back and look at the first quarter, Look at the drive killing penalties the refs gave to Ohio State, that weren't really penalties,
Between Ohio States first TD to go up 7-0 and their 2nd Td, several minutes later.
When watching, I just figured the fix was in and resolved myself to have to watch a stupid can't beat mich "and" the Refs day.
Ref's must have spent, FOUR OR FIVE BIG CALLS
to try to keep Mich in this game, but that team up north never had the lead, 0-0 6-7 and 19-21 was the closest they got.
Several really questionable PI calls. A missed OPI call on Michigan, an awful facemask call, and our QB getting targeting while sliding down. Pretty amazing stuff, and that's only what I remember off the top of my head.
That as an atrocious effort from the refs today, I really thought the Big Ten were supposed to have the best officials in the country? Didn't look like it to me. It was embarrassing.
I don't think it can happen, but man.........I wish we could play Notre Dame in the first round of the playoffs. We own them and I think we would give them another beat-down.
I don't think it can happen, but man.........I wish we could play Notre Dame in the first round of the playoffs. We own them and I think we would give them another beat-down.
Assuming a bunch of craziness doesn't happen, I would expect OSU to get in at #4 if they get in at all. I don't think Notre Dame has much of a resume, but they also haven't lost, so I couldn't even put them behind Ohio State in the rankings, even though I think OSU would beat them head to head on a neutral field. Clemson and Alabama are clearly better, so I think It's going to be Ohio State v Bama if it's going to be anything.
Yeah, I can't really see anything crazy happening. Notre Dame really should take care of business tonight.
Here's a hot take. Saban sabotages his own team during the SEC championship, so that he can tear into his team for a straight month, and probably have them unbelievably focused, and 2, obvious tank job to get 2 SEC teams in the playoff.
Yeah, I can't really see anything crazy happening. Notre Dame really should take care of business tonight.
Here's a hot take. Saban sabotages his own team during the SEC championship, so that he can tear into his team for a straight month, and probably have them unbelievably focused, and 2, obvious tank job to get 2 SEC teams in the playoff.
Did I miss something big in college football? Did Alabama hire Hue Jackson as a consultant or something?
I knew OSU was going to win but man, what a beat down. OSU owns Michigan! Really not much of a rivalry anymore since OSU has been so dominant.
Because Michigan went 10-2 Harbaugh is not on the hot seat. Even Michigan fans realize that can't beat OSU anymore. Beating OSU is no longer a factor in determining if the season has been a success or not. They are basically admitting they are now the inferior program compared to Ohio state.
It seems like Harbaugh really wants to be back in the NFL and his heart just isn't in college football. He is not devastated or angry about the embarrassing loss to Ohio State. It's like, oh well, time to move on.
Yeah, I can't really see anything crazy happening. Notre Dame really should take care of business tonight.
Here's a hot take. Saban sabotages his own team during the SEC championship, so that he can tear into his team for a straight month, and probably have them unbelievably focused, and 2, obvious tank job to get 2 SEC teams in the playoff.
Did I miss something big in college football? Did Alabama hire Hue Jackson as a consultant or something?
Yeah, I can't really see anything crazy happening. Notre Dame really should take care of business tonight.
Here's a hot take. Saban sabotages his own team during the SEC championship, so that he can tear into his team for a straight month, and probably have them unbelievably focused, and 2, obvious tank job to get 2 SEC teams in the playoff.
Did I miss something big in college football? Did Alabama hire Hue Jackson as a consultant or something?
P.S. Welcome back Vers!
you're gonna have to check the tape
His daughter should be tweeting something soon about this.
I presume Notre Dame is in with a win, out with a loss.
good for osu too, obviously
It could be. In order for OSU to get into the playoff they will have to destroy Northwestern and hope Georgia doesn't beat Bama. You know the committee would love to have two SEC teams in the playoff.
Had 65 people over today. From age 8 months to age 65. I was totally prepared to have the ichigan fans celebrating. I, and the rest of the OSU fans, certainly did NOT expect this.
It was a question. Big deal. I'm sorry if you were offended.
Not offended at all. Just curious how in the hell you could take that statement, and assume I was rooting for ichigan. No way possible a sane person could read that statement and assume I was rooting for ichigan. None. No way.
Seriously. Taking the comment you quoted, and deciding that meant I was rooting for michigan is akin to me making a comment that the chargers fans have a right to think they'll beat the Brown.................and you assuming I was rooting for the chargers in that game.
Once again, wrong. I don't hate. Fact is, you made some ludicrous assumption based on a post I made, that I was rooting for michigan. A post that you quoted. Ain't 1 damn person on here that reads that quote that would jump to the conclusion you did.
Has there been a year since the playoff system started that we knew for sure whether Ohio State would be in or out? I don't think there has.
2014 - Were on the outside looking in, down to their 3rd string quarterback where they still soundly defeated Michigan and then crushed Wisconsin in the Big Ten title game to nab the last playoff spot over a couple Big 12 teams. Won title.
2015 - An even better team than the year before, one of the most talented college teams ever. 12 players drafted in the first 4 rounds in the ensuing draft, including 5 first rounders (Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott, and others.) 11-1 in the regular season but their lone loss was to Michigan State (a close one in their house) who then got the nod in the championship game with the head-to-head tiebreaker. Ohio State was left with 11-1 but only one quality win (at Michigan) and didn't even play in the championship game. Most people knew they were the best team but they got left out.
2016 - This was the Ohio State getting in over Penn State year. To recap: Ohio State was 11-1 (with really good wins against Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan), but like the year before, didn't play in the title game due to a tie-breaker. This time to Penn State who at 11-2 got left out despite wins over Ohio State and Wisconsin in the Big Ten title game. Ohio State got ran off the field by Clemson in the first playoff game.
2017 - Came down to Ohio State and Alabama, in my opinion the closest decision of them all, though not everyone saw it like that. Ohio State was 11-2, and like the year before, had 3 extremely good wins vs Penn State, Michigan State, and the Big Ten championship win over Wisconsin.
Alabama had 11-1 record, but didn't play in their conference championship game due to a tie-breaker (Alabama lost to Auburn, who despite some excitement, still finished the season with 4 losses.) Alabama's best win was vs LSU, who themselves finished with 4 losses, one of them against Troy.
I still think they got the benefit of the doubt because they're Alabama, but then again, they ended up winning the whole thing and I believe were favored in both playoff games, so clearly they were an outstanding team.
2018 - Ohio State is again right on the cusp. If Ohio State and Oklahoma both win, who gets in? Seems like Oklahoma was the better team most of the season, but how much are the Michigan game and Big Ten championship game weighted? What happens if Georgia beats Alabama.. do those two teams both make it to the playoffs again? Should be an interesting championship week... of course, from where the Buckeyes were sitting a few weeks ago, a Big Ten championship and top 5 finish sound pretty good.
The Big Ten championship game being against Northwestern may hurt the Buckeyes. First we have to win, and it would still be a Big Ten championship but Northwestern does have four losses. Two of those are to Duke and Akron.
It just doesn't carry the same luster as it would if it were a signature win. Well I guess the Michigan game was the signature win.. I don't think that's enough to put Ohio State above Oklahoma though.
He's always looking for an apology. I've never seen someone on the internet whose sensibilities are so easily offended. I think someoene's skin should have to be a little thicker before they are allowed internet access.
arch, for the record, I thought it was pretty obvious you were an Ohio State fan. I seem to recall you mentioning you were going to have some 65-70 people over, and maybe 6-7 were Michigan fans. It just seemed like you were trying to provide a good atmosphere for them and that carried over to the board here.
ahh well. Good win, I know most of us on here enjoyed it.
- We need Bama to beat Georgia - We need to handle Northwestern - We need Oklahoma to either lose to Texas, or look BAD in a close win
I think OSU jumps Oklahoma Tuesday and then when Alabama wins over UGA we move to 4 ... JMHO
Even with their bad defense, Oklahoma’s only loss is to a top-ranked Texas team, which was a close loss and they can get revenge on a neutral field. OSU can’t jump Oklahoma with that stinky Purdue loss. Even as someone who would want OSU in over Oklahoma, I couldn’t do it. Texas HAS to win for OSU to get the 4th spot (and a Bama win + OSU win).
If Bama loses, Oklahoma and OSU stay at home.
This is the first true year I’d want six teams in the playoff.
So Oklahoma plays at 12 and OSU plays at 8 ... that tells me that the NCAA thinks we might be in a "win and in" scenario, and not Oklahoma
Something tells me those time slots were determined weeks ago. Maybe months ago.
It's difficult to believe the "powers that be", would suddenly make the decision to put #5 vs #9 on at noon and #6 vs #21 on in primetime, if they were considering the more compelling game to watch and draw viewers.
I think the Big Ten should put the best two teams forward, regardless of division. Which would make the evening game very compelling. OSU vs Michigan, instead of a 4 loss Northwestern team.
It's interesting to see both models in play with the Big 12 and Big Ten. There are pros and cons to both approaches.
There's a rematch of the Red River Shootout between Texas and Oklahoma, though the first one happened earlier in the year.
Michigan will watch the Big Ten championship from home. I do agree that OSU/Michigan would be the better game, but allowing that would also take off some of the luster of 'The Game'. And if that game would continued to be played last on the schedule, and you basically scrapped the division setup, it wouldn't be that uncommon to see those teams play in back to back weeks.
Also keep in mind that Northwestern is 8-1 in conference play, and that is what matters here until the late stages of tie-breakers. Michigan does have the head to head win over Northwestern, but since there would be a 3-way tie between OSU/Michigan/NW, there's a chance NW would get in anyway.
I didn't figure all that out-- it's purely hypothetical anyway, just a few more things to consider.
I can't see any OSU movement by beating Northwestern unless everybody lose.
Georgia is going to be the team screwed. Georgia is a great team that will probably be bumped if they don't win against Bama. They are way better than #5 or #6.
Good gosh, a 3 loss Northwestern is the best the Big 10 can get in to the championship game? Sad.
They should just let 2 - 5 play for 2nd this year ... talk about anti-climatic ...
Ill be extremely excited to see how we fair against Clemson f it happens .. if we happen to get by them ... i won’t be very excited for the national championship game ... how sad is that ...
Can someone tell me if Oklahoma has a win that is better than Ohio State's victory over Michigan?
Nope. They also don't have one better than their win over Penn State.
Ohio State currently has wins over #7 Michigan and #12 Penn State with a date with #21 Northwestern.
Oklahoma has wins over #14 West Virginia and #23 Iowa State. They have a date with #15 Texas.
They have one common opponent in TCU, Oklahoma went to TCU and won 52-27. Ohio State beat TCU on a neutral field 40-28.
A lot of people will point to the Purdue loss as the reason to leave Ohio State out. It doesn't work like that. You don't base these selections off of a game, but rather the entire body of work. That's how this will work. That absolutely should come into play, and last year, it was the sole reason, simply because there was nothing about Alabama's body of work that said "yes, put them in" so they looked at Ohio State's blemish in their loss to Iowa.
It may end up where Oklahoma gets in because of this though, because once again, there is absoultey nothing remarkable about Oklahoma's body of work. They have a few nice wins, but OSU has the two best wins between both teams, one of which against a top ten team.
If Oklahoma struggles against Texas, and Ohio State rips Northwestern a new one, Ohio State gets in.
If Oklahoma wins big, I think they'll favor them over Ohio State.
I do think Ohio State is the better team. Both of these teams aren't great, and both have suspect defenses, but I think OSU would win on a neutral field.
If OSU doesn't make it, I'm ok with that. I think it's stupid to hook the Purdue loss as the one reason to dismiss it. I'm more upset with the way they played for a good portion of the year.
I will ask for those who want Ohio State out of the playoff, without bringing up what OSU has done, what's so great about Oklahoma's resume?
Nobody could seem to come up with anything for Alabama last year. I know they ended up winning it all, and they obviously look poised this year, but I just found that funny.
Question though: Does it matte where a team is ranked AFTER a loss? Of course, Michigan is going to drop after losing but they WERE #4 when the Buckeyes played them.
Question though: Does it matte where a team is ranked AFTER a loss? Of course, Michigan is going to drop after losing but they WERE #4 when the Buckeyes played them.
In my opinion it does. The committee only dropped Michigan to 7, even though they got creamed by OSU. That to me shows the committee still respects Michigan .
Mopping up a 4-loss NW won’t help much if Oklahoma beats Texas, even an ugly, lucky win. As said above, Georgia has to lose and then Oklahoma must do the same for the Big10 championship to be worth turning on in the evening. If Georgia wins, Oklahoma’s or OSU’s results won’t matter. It’ll be this:
Clemson Georgia ND Bama
That way, we can watch a double rematch game again (last years title game and the SEC title game from this year).
That’s why I kind of want 6 teams in. Two teams get a bye and then 3-6 fight it out. I think 6 is the best setup for “fairness”. I’m cool with 4 though.
My brother and i had this discussion over the weekend ... we were watching the fighting irish at the time ...
He said we played one of the toughest schedules in the country ..... i *LOL* thought he was joking ... and he knows football ... hes not some clueless dolt ...
He says we played Stanford when they were #7 ... and there was another team ranked on the top 10 when we played them and another around 15 when we played them and a fourth somewhere ... he says couple them with Michigan and Syracuse and u got a tough one ..
Ummmm .. Alan ... ummmmm ... Stanford and the other 3 or 4 not named Michigan or Syracuse aren’t even in the top 25 anymore ... WHO CARES WHERE A TEAM IS WHEN U PLAY THEM ... they may have been ranked high then but have since proven that there not very good ...
That would be like the kid that stole the champs bike when he was 10 or so that he whooped the champ once w/o mentioning the age ... *L* ....
I dont see how where a team was ranked when u play them has any bearing .... NONE IMO ...
If u guys wanna count the QUALITY of each teams wins (witch i agree with ... and u guys have much better quality wins ... then u can’t discount the quality of the losses ... u can’t have it both ways ...
If OU wins u guys aren’t getting in ... its to bad u couldn’t play #4 Michigan this week ... that W would surely change the discussion form the W U oughta get over a 4 loss team ...
I want u guys to get in ... i think u have a better shot of beating Bama ... i’d give u guys a 7% chance cause your D’s way better than OU’s ... they’d have about a 4% chance of outscoring them ... *L* ...
Are they going to go down as the greatest college team ever?
Here is my problem with Oklahoma over Ohio State. And yes, I admit I could have some bias.
Oklahoma does not have a signature win. And the best defense they played....was Army. The next best defense was TCU, and they had a similar crushing of the team as Ohio State did. Ohio State has at least 2 signature wins...Penn State and Michigan. In my estimation...Both Penn State and Michigan would ROUT Oklahoma.
Diam, you have a very valid point about looking at quality of wins as well as the quality of the loss. And I do understand your point concerning what a team was ranked when they played them. I don't fully agree with it. We all know teams can grow and regress throughout a year. Injuries can change a season. I do think what a team was ranked at the time they played matters. I don't think it has a large amount of weight....I do think it has some weight. When you play a high ranked team, at any point in the season, there is far more pressure. There is far more scrutiny. There are far bigger consequences. Combine that with the fact a very good team can end up being a totally different team by the end of the season...And I think ranking at the time of play matters. Heck the Browns season is a perfect example. There was a time where we legitimately could argue that the Browns could be 5-0...Then just before the firings, they looked like a team that wouldn't win another game. Now we are looking at a team, whom we can argue, could possibly win out. (especially if they can get past Houston...no small feat) They are the same team. They are just playing differently then right before the firings...So if they can play differently at different times of the year...I think the ranking at the time they played matters because it is the ranking they deserved.
Yes, you have to look at the Purdue loss. It was a BAD loss...But Oklahoma does not not have a single "quality" win. They play in a conference known for not having defense. And Ohio State has one of the best quality wins of the entire college football landscape.
Also when looking at current rankings...If we don't want to give Ohio State points for beating Northwestern in a Championship game....why should we give Oklahoma points for beating Iowa State who is currently ranked lower...
On a side note...Am I reading something wrong??? Looking both at current rankings as well as at the time rankings...I do not see 4 top 25 wins for Oklahoma....
With current rankings, they beat Iowa State(23) and West Virginia (16)...Ohio State beat Michigan (6) and Penn State(12) Ohio State wins that discussion...
With as played rankings...Oklahoma played 2 games against ranked opponents...They beat West Virginia (13) and lost to Texas (19)...Ohio State played against 4 ranked opponents and beat them all. TCU(15), Penn State(9), Michigan State(18), and Michigan (4)
Oklahoma has a flashy Offense...and a Putrid Defense. The flashy offense did not play a defense all year except for Army (a 28-21 OT win) Think about that...No one is going to confuse Army with National Championship prowess...and they were held to 21 points in regulation...Their average is 50 a game this year.
They have no signature win.
They pass an eye test because no one cares about defense and their offense looked so good against sub par defenses. Penn State and Michigan would crush them.
Ohio State...well they may or may not deserve to be #5 or higher...But I do believe they deserve to be ranked higher than Oklahoma.
I honestly think Michigan is a better team than Ohio State...just like Ohio State is a better team than Purdue. Ohio State just put it all together on Game Day...just like Purdue did. People keep claiming that if we give credit to the Michigan win, we have to give credit to the Purdue loss...Well the reverse is also true...if you give credit to the Purdue loss...you HAVE to give credit to the Michigan win...(and Penn State...and TCU....and Michigan State)
My argument is not about Ohio State being #5....My argument is that Oklahoma is overrated #5 as there are better teams and Ohio State should rank above them...
Good post, Pete. However, because the committee already has OU over Ohio State, it's going to be almost impossible to jump them unless we win and they lose.
I don't disagree Verse...I just think it is an error that Oklahoma is rated above them...Should Ohio State be #5....honestly...I don't think so...Playing on all cylinders you get the Michigan game. Otherwise they are just inconsistent this year...But they should be ranked higher than Oklahoma...
I was talking about ND with my bro .. were IRISH baby ... were weren’t taking about the Sooners bro .... i’m As honest with my critique of ND as i have been of our dawgs .... so u know i ain’t a homer ...
U started with u may be bias ... theres NO MAYBE ABOUT IT BROTHER ... *L*... the fact u tried to discount the losses while propping up the wins PROVES IT BRO ...
comparatively speaking ... how is a quality win against UM weighted heavier than the “quality” of the loss to Purdue ... only one reason for that ... u want to hold one up as a shining example as to why your better ... well then u need to take into account u had a HORRBILE loss ...
I don’t agree about the “pressure” being a factor .. if your a better team and u don’t go out and win cause of “pressure”/OUTSIDE INFLUENCES ... you may have football talent but u gots a bunch of losers on yours hands if they can’t go beat a team there better than ... once the game starts Pete ... all the PAPER CRAP goes away .. now its me against U ... none of the hype matters ...
I 100% agree about teams evolving ... 100% ....
I believe u guys have evolved as a team and are much better than u were at the beggining of the year ... just curious .... are u guys a young team? .... i don’t believe OU has but i don’t know that much about that aspect of them .. i’m Just ASSuming and thats wrong of me ... my feeling is there D still sucks so how much better canthey have gotten .. *LOL* ..
I hope u guys get in ... and until u lose the liar as a HC thats gonna be a VERY VERY RARE OCCASION ... *L* ...
Hope u had a good turkey day bro ... i should be down in c-town after the 1st of the year for soccer a few weekends ... we’ll hook up then my brother ...
Good luck to you and your buckeyes this weekend ... hope things break your way ... and if U and OU win .. i hope the OU fans are mad as hell next week ...
I know you are an Irish Fan...wasn't knocking you about your thoughts on OSU/Oklahoma...(or the Irish...lol)
My only discussion with you is about whether Rankings "as played" matter...I think they do...I explained why and I think we understand each other even if we don't agree...everything else is separate...LOL
Yes I am biased...But I don't think I am jumping off a cliff to say Ohio State should rank higher than Oklahoma...
you ask How does the Purdue loss compare to Michigan win???
well...which is harder...Destroying the best Defense in College football when you have been inconsistent...or staying vigilant so you are not caught on a bad day. I make no excuses for Purdue...But even if you say Purdue and Michigan cancel each other out...that still leaves Penn State, Michigan State as quality wins (well Penn State at least...lol) where I feel Oklahoma has none. I don't consider shoot out's as quality wins...JMO
I still say Michigan and Penn State would bury OU. again JMO and that carries a lot of weight for me when comparing the 2...what teams did OU play that would wipe the floor with Ohio State??? I don't see any...
I obviously would love to see Ohio State in the CFP...But my argument is not about that...My argument is strictly OSU vs OU. I just think Ohio State should rank above OU. Regardless of where in the rankings they fall.
Turkey day was relaxing...didn't do squat...LOL Hope your's went well.
Would be great to hook up with you!!!
I hope things break for OSU...but not expecting it to...If I am honest...I really don't think they should be in...They were too inconsistent this year...and they seemed to struggle once Bosa went down.
Question though: Does it matte where a team is ranked AFTER a loss? Of course, Michigan is going to drop after losing but they WERE #4 when the Buckeyes played them.
It shouldn’t. A team can come in preseason top ten and absolutely suck. They lose 3-4 games, and probably hover around the 20-25 ranking (which is why these preseason rankings are horrible) but you shouldn’t get credit for beating them if you did earlier in the year when they were highly ranked.
Alabama - Win and in. Lose and probably still in (?)
Clemson - Win and in. Lose and probably out (?)
Notre Dame - Done playing, surely already in
Georgia - Win and in. Lose and out.
Oklahoma/Ohio State - Oklahoma is ranked higher and is facing the tougher opponent in the conference title game. It seems to me like Oklahoma is in with a win, but a loss opens the door for Ohio State to get in. Oklahoma/Texas being exceptionally sloppy and Ohio State looking dominant in a win could change this.
With a lot of help (Georgia gets embarrassed, OU and OSU both lose) and a good win over Memphis, UCF might sneak in... as much as a team can sneak into the playoffs with an undefeated record.
A lot of people will point to the Purdue loss as the reason to leave Ohio State out. It doesn't work like that. You don't base these selections off of a game, but rather the entire body of work. That's how this will work. That absolutely should come into play,
A lot of people will.. when comparing 2 teams like this what is the normal thing to do? You do just want everybody on here is doing, you look at the 2 or 3 high points of the season and you look at the 1 or 2 low points of the season.. everything in the middle is generally a wash...
So what are OUs high points? Beating WVU on the road Beating Texas on neutral site (assuming they beat them)
What are OUs low points? Losing to Texas at home by 3 points Winning 28-21 against Army at home
What are OSUs high points? Beating PSU on the road Beating Michigan at home
What are OSUs low points? Losing to Purdue 49-20 on the road Needing OT to beat MD 52-51 on the road
Overall I don't see all that much difference.. OSU has slightly higher highs but also lower lows... and in the end, the fact that OU has seemed like the more consistent team all year might make the difference.
I thought u were confused over who i was reffering to with the multiple wins against teams ranked when we played them ... my bad dawg ...
We totally disagree on how much where a team is ranked when u play them ... not sure we could agree less ...
By your theory ...
Your victory over UM means more then ND’s did .... i have no clue where they were ranked when we played them .. but it wasn’t in the top 4 ... so lets say we played them when they were 15 ...
Does our W not mean as much cause they were 15 when we played them and they were 4 when u played them ...
OR
Do both W’s hold the same weight? ....
If its #2 ... same has to hold true for when they DROP in or out of there ranked spot at the time of your meeting ... ...
As for your example ... UM was the statistically ranked #1 D in the country .. NO WAY do they have the best D in the country .. NO WAY are they better than bama’s D .. NONE ...
If UM played in the big 12 they’d be closer to 100 than 1 as far as ranking goes ... *LOL* ...
U don’t consider shootouts quality wins ... well bro .. i don’t consider UM or PSU quality wins ... they beat up on the MULTIPLE WEAK SISTERS in the big 10 ...
Who did PSU or um beat? ...
I know UM lost to a QB when they played ND that COULDN’T HIT THE BROAD SIDE OF A BARN ... who else did they beat out of conference .. i thinkyour conference is no better than the Big 12 ... YOUR JUST DIFFERENT ...
Would love to see u guys play OU ... don’t think u could out SHOOT OUT them ... even though u don’t think shootout w’s should count ... *L* .
Sorry bro .. your a HOMER on this one ... u just can’t see it ... ...
I agree w/you. I was really hoping we would jump them this week, but it didn't happen.
I wonder if the committee doesn't want us in due to the earlier scandal this year?
I don't think so. I think they have done an overall really good job since this format was presented.
There are going to be issues regardless of what happens. There are more major conferences than spots, and that isn't even factoring in that Notre Dame is kind of a wild card in the whole thing.
People keep saying it's about putting the 4 best teams in, but I don't think that's quite the case. I think it's about the resume and body of work. They made that clear last night on their show, and have made it clear in the past. Strength of schedule, conference championships, common opponents, etc all matter (unless you're last year's Alabama).
The Ohio State and Oklahoma argument will be one of the toughest since the inception of the playoff.
Ohio State has better quality wins, plays in a better conference, yet that Purdue road loss is what people are looking at.
Texas is a better opponent than Northwestern, but this isn't the Texas powerhouse. They're a 3 loss team that are pretty underwhelming.
If Oklahoma struggles against Texas and still wins, Ohio State gets in with a complete dismantling of Northwestern. That's not to say that Oklahoma needs to go OSU/UW 59-0 over Texas, but they need to control the game. I really think OSU needs something similar to the Wisconsin game combined with an OU slopfest.
I don't think it'll happen, I think OU wins by 2-3 scores, which is good enough in my book, and OSU as a Big Ten champion gets left out again. Although when they do get in some other year, I don't want to hear jack squat about their schedule considering they'll have better wins than the #4 team 2 years in a row.
The good thing for OSU is, they'll know the story when they take the field as OU will have their game over and done with by the afternoon. If you're a betting man and OU has a meh game against Texas, bet the absolute house on OSU, because they won't let that chance slip away.
Yeah ... I'm guessing the 5 are: PSU, Michigan, TCU, NW and ...?
Michigan State was #24 when OSU beat them. I think that's the disconnect between Pastor Marc's claim of 5 Top 25 wins ... he's using the ranking at the time of the win, but I don't think that's how the CFP views it. CFP uses Top 25 wins at the time of their poll, not at the time the contest took place (I think).
Yeah ... I'm guessing the 5 are: PSU, Michigan, TCU, NW and ...?
Michigan State was #24 when OSU beat them. I think that's the disconnect between Pastor Marc's claim of 5 Top 25 wins ... he's using the ranking at the time of the win, but I don't think that's how the CFP views it. CFP uses Top 25 wins at the time of their poll, not at the time the contest took place (I think).
Yeah, it’s bad logic. Also Oklahoma played TCU.
By that logic, beating a team that came out of nowhere shouldn’t count for anything since they weren’t ranked at the time of the game?
You are what your record is. Not what it was supposed to be.
I thought u were confused over who i was reffering to with the multiple wins against teams ranked when we played them ... my bad dawg ...
We totally disagree on how much where a team is ranked when u play them ... not sure we could agree less ...
By your theory ...
Your victory over UM means more then ND’s did .... i have no clue where they were ranked when we played them .. but it wasn’t in the top 4 ... so lets say we played them when they were 15 ...
Does our W not mean as much cause they were 15 when we played them and they were 4 when u played them ...
OR
Do both W’s hold the same weight? ....
If its #2 ... same has to hold true for when they DROP in or out of there ranked spot at the time of your meeting ... ...
As for your example ... UM was the statistically ranked #1 D in the country .. NO WAY do they have the best D in the country .. NO WAY are they better than bama’s D .. NONE ...
If UM played in the big 12 they’d be closer to 100 than 1 as far as ranking goes ... *LOL* ...
U don’t consider shootouts quality wins ... well bro .. i don’t consider UM or PSU quality wins ... they beat up on the MULTIPLE WEAK SISTERS in the big 10 ...
Who did PSU or um beat? ...
I know UM lost to a QB when they played ND that COULDN’T HIT THE BROAD SIDE OF A BARN ... who else did they beat out of conference .. i thinkyour conference is no better than the Big 12 ... YOUR JUST DIFFERENT ...
Would love to see u guys play OU ... don’t think u could out SHOOT OUT them ... even though u don’t think shootout w’s should count ... *L* .
Sorry bro .. your a HOMER on this one ... u just can’t see it ... ...
It is not theory...it is simple logic.
You yourself have admitted that a team evolves throughout the year...So if a team evolves...they will be DIFFERENT to use your term. If the team that went into the Notre Dame Game was DIFFERENT than the team that went into the Ohio State Game...than you obviously cannot say the victories and or losses are the same.
So no...I don't think the two separate games carry the same weight. And to be honest...I am a bit flabbergasted that you do. You are entitled to the opinion...
#1 Preseason rankings are bunk and do not hold as much weight as late season rankings. I do not hold early season rankings as having the same weight as late season...BUT I DO THINK THEY HAVE WEIGHT. So while Michigan was ranked 14 they never "earned" that ranking...it was given. They probably were better than 14 even in losing. By the time they went into Ohio Stadium, they had EARNED the #4 ranking
#2 The team that went into the Ohio State Game was hardened by the ND loss and was playing with more urgency. If nothing else was different about this team...this enough is to say that the weights are different.
#3 The stakes and consequences going into Ohio State were MUCH bigger than going into ND. Early losses in the season are always more forgivable than late season. (which weighs down the Purdue loss for Ohio State)
#4 If the wins were equal...than the losses would be as well...and we BOTH KNOW that the late season loss is far more powerful than an early season loss.
I am sorry...your argument is completely moot. Because the CFP panel always considers who and especially WHEN. You, my friend are only considering who.
And you are right...our conferences are DIFFERENT...our conference actually plays defense. You can scoff all you want...I still say Michigan and Penn State would not only beat Oklahoma...But crush them.
And a Non conference team that Penn beat??? Well Pitt, who is ranked higher than Army which was the best Non conference team OU played...andPit is also playing Clemson for ACC champ...(yeah...the ACC argument is weak...lol...but still true...lol...and they are still better than Army and they played a VERY close game against your beloved ND)
Yes Michigan and Penn State would give up more yards in the Big 12 than in the Big Ten...But you are smoking crack if you dismiss them the way you are implying.
Yes, I weigh the games differently...does that mean I think the Ohio State win vs Michigan is in the stratosphere and the ND win is 5 feet off the ground??? Absolutely not...But by no means do I feel the games are EXACTLY EQUAL as you do. I do hold the Ohio State win with more weight...not because I am a homer...but for the reasons I stated above. so YES...I do hold more weight for Ohio States win, the stakes, consequences, and timing necessitate it alone without ranking. But not by some huge amount as I think you perceive.
I tried to leave it as we just disagree...but you insisted to get into it...And while I do think you are wrong...you have the right to be wrong
If it stays this close, the door is open for the Buckeyes to take care of business and be in the playoff. Oklahoma has not looked great today.
I don’t see how that’s possible. OSU has the better win, but they’re still behind OU. Meaning, if the Michigan win was that impressive, OSU would be ranked higher this week. Each team only has this week to add to their resume. Beating Texas by 1 is better than OSU beating NW by 14.
Oklahoma HAS to lose. There’s no scenario where OSU’s win looks better than Oklahoma’s in today’s championship games that’s enough to flip spots.
If it stays this close, the door is open for the Buckeyes to take care of business and be in the playoff. Oklahoma has not looked great today.
I don’t see how that’s possible. OSU has the better win, but they’re still behind OU. Meaning, if the Michigan win was that impressive, OSU would be ranked higher this week. Each team only has this week to add to their resume. Beating Texas by 1 is better than OSU beating NW by 14.
Oklahoma HAS to lose. There’s no scenario where OSU’s win looks better than Oklahoma’s in today’s championship games that’s enough to flip spots.
I tend to agree, OU has the higher strength of schedule ranking. We need them to lose.
If it stays this close, the door is open for the Buckeyes to take care of business and be in the playoff. Oklahoma has not looked great today.
I don’t see how that’s possible. OSU has the better win, but they’re still behind OU. Meaning, if the Michigan win was that impressive, OSU would be ranked higher this week. Each team only has this week to add to their resume. Beating Texas by 1 is better than OSU beating NW by 14.
Oklahoma HAS to lose. There’s no scenario where OSU’s win looks better than Oklahoma’s in today’s championship games that’s enough to flip spots.
When ranking last week's teams, they did not factor in conference championships. Now that also comes into play. An OSU blowout of NW, combined with OSU winning a better conference should put them above OU.
I'm a huge OSU fan, but we played mediocre against some far less than average teams this year. Calling them lackluster performances would be a huge compliment. Then we lost to a less than average team putting our destiny in the hands of others.
We held our own destiny and then gave that away. I won't complain if those other hands don't favor us.
I'm a huge OSU fan, but we played mediocre against some far less than average teams this year. Calling them lackluster performances would be a huge compliment. Then we lost to a less than average team putting our destiny in the hands of others.
We held our own destiny and then gave that away. I won't complain if those other hands don't favor us.
I get that, but you realize Oklahoma beat Army by a touchdown, gave up 40 to Kansas. And some of these other teams who have traditionally been decent were horrible this year (Texas Tech who fired their coach over it, and OkSt was awful this year)
Let's not act like OU doesn't have plenty of warts.
I guess giving up a safety is better than a FG or TD, but they get the ball right back. If Texas can stop or hold them to a FG, it’s still a possibility. If Oklahoma scores a TD, it’s all over OSU.
Oh I understand the arguments, but when you blow an easy game and put your fate in the hands of others, you're expecting mercy and putting your destiny in the hands of others. When you lose a game you never should have lost, at that point all you can do is go, "Yeah but" and hope.
We’ll ultimately find out if you or I’m right, but to me, the door is as closed as my chance to be the Browns QB next year. Oklahoma avenged their only loss to a ranked opponent on a neutral field (in Texas) in a Power5 championship game. The Texas win is way better than a NW win.
I don’t care if OSU beats NW 100-2, nothing is getting them into the four spot.
No that's cool, that's your opinion. I just see it differently.
For the record, I don't think we'l see a 59-0 type game tonight, as NW is probably going to slow this game down, as it's their only shot to even stay in it.
I just hope they go out and play their best, and let everything else play out.
2 years in a row winning a big ten conference, only to get passed over by teams that didn't have the wins is crappy. Yeah, I get the bad losses, but I feel like the committee was only looking at the Iowa loss, instead of the body of work. I don't think having a clunker should be an automatic out. But I get that's it's OSU, and everyone hates them, and literally every year of this playoff format, there have been tons of people outspoken against them getting in.
OSU's body of work this year was better than OU's if you ask me, but if they're going to hold the Purdue game against them, then so be it.
OSU would beat Oklahoma on a neutral field right now too.
The Buckeyes looked horrible in too many games this year. They lost to an unranked team and pulled 2 games out of their rear. No one can really have a problem if OK is picked ahead of them. Stranger things have happened though.
Said it before, kind of tongue in cheek, but who's to say Saban doesn't just half ass this game?
You get one more team from your conference in, and you get to show your kids tape of a loss for a whole month.
This is the kind of stuff that I worry about when/if the format gets extended. Right now Alabama knows they're in, so they can take the night off and be ok.
If you move this to 8, you'll see that kinda stuff more often.
Said it before, kind of tongue in cheek, but who's to say Saban doesn't just half ass this game?
You get one more team from your conference in, and you get to show your kids tape of a loss for a whole month.
This is the kind of stuff that I worry about when/if the format gets extended. Right now Alabama knows they're in, so they can take the night off and be ok.
If you move this to 8, you'll see that kinda stuff more often.
Reasons not to: - If Alabama loses, they are not guaranteed to get in the playoffs. The committee has never left out an undisputed 1-loss champion from a power 5 conference and if Alabama loses, it could go Clemson/Notre Dame/Oklahoma/Ohio State. Does anyone really know?
- Lose out on the SEC Championship
- Lose out on an all-time great, perfect season
- Make a mockery out of the integrity of the game
- Let a heated rival and really good team into the tournament (I think this is a con from Alabama's perspective)
- Worse seed, tougher first game (probably vs Clemson), sometimes played at a less favorable location, though this doesn't always factor in
Reasons to: - Get some tape and extra motivation for your kids for the next month
I know you said it was kind of tongue in cheek, but it's also kind of ridiculous.
Anyway, I wonder if Ohio State could still get in with a 59-0 style drubbing of Northwestern. I don't really know.. seems like an uphill climb though.
Clemson losing to Pittsburgh looks like Ohio State's best chance-- also a long shot.
Said it before, kind of tongue in cheek, but who's to say Saban doesn't just half ass this game?
You get one more team from your conference in, and you get to show your kids tape of a loss for a whole month.
This is the kind of stuff that I worry about when/if the format gets extended. Right now Alabama knows they're in, so they can take the night off and be ok.
If you move this to 8, you'll see that kinda stuff more often.
Reasons not to: - If Alabama loses, they are not guaranteed to get in the playoffs. The committee has never left out an undisputed 1-loss champion from a power 5 conference and if Alabama loses, it could go Clemson/Notre Dame/Oklahoma/Ohio State. Does anyone really know?
- Lose out on the SEC Championship
- Lose out on an all-time great, perfect season
- Make a mockery out of the integrity of the game
- Let a heated rival into the tournament (I think this is a con from Alabama's perspective)
Reasons to: - Get some tape and extra motivation for your kids for the next month
I know you said it was kind of tongue in cheek, but it's also kind of ridiculous.
Anyway, I wonder if Ohio State could still get in with a 59-0 style drubbing of Northwestern. I don't really know.. seems like an uphill climb though.
Clemson losing to Pittsburgh looks like Ohio State's best chance-- also a long shot.
Yeah, I mean it's definitely tongue in cheek, but if this thing gets extended and you get into a situation, especially where the top 8 get in, where you just have your conference title in, would they at least not be tempted to rest their qb (esp if he's one that runs and takes hits) for that game?
Someone would have to be the first to do it, and nobody knows how the committee would respond, so I just wonder what would happen in that situation.
I have really seen both sides of it and it's really tough to predict, but I do believe we're going to find out as I think this is going to get expanded in some form. Either a full 8, or some kind of extra play in game.
That would be a HORRIBLE bet for me .... id still make it ... actually NO ... theres no way I’D EVER risk 1000 to win 10 .... so u got me ... crud .. im not a gambler but believe it or not i’m GREAT with stats and odds .. and i have to win that bet 101 times for every time i lose it to make 10 bucks ... ummmm ... NO ... *L*
IF I WERE TO CONSIDER A BET LIE THAT ... i would make this one and it would be qualified with the Bama loss being by a TD or less ..
IF i were FORCED to bet that .. i’d Take bama all 101 times ... ...
This whole hypothetical started with the tongue in cheek suggestion that Alabama should tank the game, so I'm not sure you should be able to qualify how much Alabama would lose by.
Either way, Alabama has a chance of being knocked from the playoffs regardless of the final score.
Take for instance the 538 model. Here's what it looks like after marking for an Alabama loss and a Clemson win:
They're on the outside looking in. This model includes strength of opponent, margin of victory, and many other factors that are used to determine the playoff spots. That said, my hunch is that this particular model understates Alabama's chances because it may not factor in the Alabama/SEC factor-- that is, the SEC virtually always gets the benefit of the doubt in close situations, and has since long before the playoff system was introduced.
It's still not a lock though. And honestly, if Alabama loses then they shouldn't get in over Oklahoma, or Ohio State should they win. At least last year you could make the argument that Ohio State had two losses. Putting in a 1 loss runner-up over a 1 loss champion is a terrible precedent to set.
We dont have the atheletes to compete with the bama’s and OSU’s (most years for u guys) of the world ...
This is the most atheletic D we’ve ever had .. and we still can’t play with Bama or Georgia IMO .. we can beat Clemson ... we could beat u guys hater handily this year IMO .. its a fluke year ..
We were 3 - 0 with a QB that was our best RB and he couldn’t hit the broadside of the barn .... he got benched at 3 - 0 .. our new QB can hit any side of the barn as long as its within 10 yards ... *L* ....after that ... OH VAY ...
I see a pattern forming here arch ... time to start INGORING U .. and i could care less how u take it or what u say about it ...
Not playing your game ... go ahead take the last shot ... i’ll Have no clue what it says ... dont care to discuss with u ..
Dude, they're just a better conference than the BIG10. It's not even a discussion. And Bama would have a field day with OSU. Look I'm a huge OSU fan but I don't live in fantasy land. And Bama isn't getting knocked out if they lose, nor should they.
Dude, they're just a better conference than the BIG10. It's not even a discussion. And Bama would have a field day with OSU. Look I'm a huge OSU fan but I don't live in fantasy land. And Bama isn't getting knocked out if they lose, nor should they.
In your opinion, what was their Bowl record last year the Big Ten was 7-1 as long as Bama is considered footballs God they won't get knocked out but it's a given that if UGA or anyone else loses they are out that isn't right in anything "Dude"
Dude, they're just a better conference than the BIG10. It's not even a discussion. And Bama would have a field day with OSU. Look I'm a huge OSU fan but I don't live in fantasy land. And Bama isn't getting knocked out if they lose, nor should they.
In your opinion, what was their Bowl record last year the Big Ten was 7-1 as long as Bama is considered footballs God they won't get knocked out but it's a given that if UGA or anyone else loses they are out that isn't right in anything "Dude"
Dude, be real. OSU is playing a team that lost to Akron.
You do understand...AKRON
If GA. loses a close game, I would keep them at #4. They would kick the crap out of OSU 8 out of 10.
Dude, they're just a better conference than the BIG10. It's not even a discussion. And Bama would have a field day with OSU. Look I'm a huge OSU fan but I don't live in fantasy land. And Bama isn't getting knocked out if they lose, nor should they.
In your opinion, what was their Bowl record last year the Big Ten was 7-1 as long as Bama is considered footballs God they won't get knocked out but it's a given that if UGA or anyone else loses they are out that isn't right in anything "Dude"
Dude, be real. OSU is playing a team that lost to Akron.
You do understand...AKRON
I didn't say anything about playing Northwestern yes I do realize they lost to Akron and OSU should win going away I am just tired of the $EC bias and as long as it continues OSU will have to go undeafeated every year or thet will be left out ...
Look I will say one more thing and stop ok ... It is Not right for a team to lose their Championship game and go to the playoffs over a team that wins their Championship game if they have equal records thats all ...
Look I will say one more thing and stop ok ... It is Not right for a team to lose their Championship game and go to the playoffs over a team that wins their Championship game if they have equal records thats all ...
I agree, but that happened last year. Heck, it was even worse because Bama didn’t even win their division and they still got in over OSU. Using last year as a precedent, Bama’s case is stronger because they made the title game this year.
I hope it happens to so this playoff will finally include all the conferences, that scenario leaves out 3 major conferences and that will bring changes FINALLY ...
I hope it happens to so this playoff will finally include all the conferences
...IMO, automatic bids for a conference is a bad idea. Some conferences are trash (Pac12, I’m looking at you) and what would happen if Pitt beat Clemson today? You want Pitt in the CFP?
Keep it at the best four teams. If you have to extend, go to six, but retain the committee to pick the teams. I don’t want to see trash teams there.
On the other hand ..... why should a team that loses its conference championship get in? If the conference championship means anything, it should mean that you have to win to be able to get in. A team that can't win their championship game should not be in that final 4 teams.
I know OSU isn't getting in even if they win by 60 so I am hoping the $EC gets 2 teams so all this end ....
But then Notre Dame could never be in since they aren't in a conference.
I don't care about equity. I want the best teams in, even if all 4 are in the same conference.....I know that couldn't happen. As a SEC fan I have seen good teams lose to other good teams to watch lesser teams elevated above them in the polls.
I am not ripping OSU....I like OSU. I loved them as a kid and still pull for them when I can. It's not their fault Northwestern won their division, even if they are a inferior team.
On the other hand ..... why should a team that loses its conference championship get in? If the conference championship means anything, it should mean that you have to win to be able to get in. A team that can't win their championship game should not be in that final 4 teams.
Again....just toss out ND all together. They don't play in a conference.
On the other hand ..... why should a team that loses its conference championship get in? If the conference championship means anything, it should mean that you have to win to be able to get in. A team that can't win their championship game should not be in that final 4 teams.
That’s why I’d drop the divisions and switch to overall record instead of conference record. The conference would guarantee the two best teams in the title game.
If a conference had an automatic bid from their title game and you keep conference records as the deciding factor, why bother with OOC games? What’s the point?
If 8 teams were put in ND could be in as one of the 3 wild Cards
I am not disagreeing with a expanded system. I am just talking about what we have today.
And, I still disagree with conference champs getting a automatic..some conferences are way better in any given year.
How is it impossible for the 3 best teams in the country to be in the same conference? The SEC for a while usually has 2-3, maybe 4 in any year that could be called that until they start beating each other. Somebody has to end up winning.
The teams that got beat probably wouldn't be beat by many of the others. Take Northwestern.....which of the top 4-5, maybe 6 SEC teams are they going to beat on a regular basis?
They better be careful. That was a lot of smack talking and celebrating for a team that choked against Bama last year. If they let Bama repeat a comeback, that’s going to look so bad.
Fromm’s a candy-ass. He slides two yards short of the first down and then throws an incompletion. Get the first and take the hit, you pansy.
I wouldn’t use the word you chose, but damn, you HAVE to get that first there. You can waste another 2-score late 3rd quarter lead against Bama. You have to close this.
This Tua character doesn't impress me at all, beneficial of a great team around him. Definitely not capable carrying a team in tough circumstances as he's showing right now.
This Tua character doesn't impress me at all, beneficial of a great team around him. Definitely not capable carrying a team in tough circumstances as he's showing right now.
Now he's on the bench with a rolled up ankle, the other guy is in; we'll see if you're right.
This Tua character doesn't impress me at all, beneficial of a great team around him. Definitely not capable carrying a team in tough circumstances as he's showing right now.
Now he's on the bench with a rolled up ankle, the other guy is in; we'll see if you're right.
Hurts is awful, but they definitely needed a spark and he's providing that.
This Tua character doesn't impress me at all, beneficial of a great team around him. Definitely not capable carrying a team in tough circumstances as he's showing right now.
Now he's on the bench with a rolled up ankle, the other guy is in; we'll see if you're right.
Hurts is awful, but they definitely needed a spark and he's providing that.
This Tua character doesn't impress me at all, beneficial of a great team around him. Definitely not capable carrying a team in tough circumstances as he's showing right now.
Now he's on the bench with a rolled up ankle, the other guy is in; we'll see if you're right.
Hurts is awful, but they definitely needed a spark and he's providing that.
This Tua character doesn't impress me at all, beneficial of a great team around him. Definitely not capable carrying a team in tough circumstances as he's showing right now.
Now he's on the bench with a rolled up ankle, the other guy is in; we'll see if you're right.
Hurts is awful, but they definitely needed a spark and he's providing that.
Yea like the fake punt that gave Bama a short field. Hurst comes off the bench and wins the game for Bama. Like I said, UNBELIEVABLE! No one is beating Bama. Just give them the National Trophy now.
Yea like the fake punt that gave Bama a short field. Hurst comes off the bench and wins the game for Bama. Like I said, UNBELIEVABLE! No one is beating Bama. Just give them the National Trophy now.
You have to force Hurts go the length of the field there. HAVE TO. You can’t Mikey Mouse it and go for a fake punt on 4th and 11! Wow! I’m in shock.
Georgia coach should punch himself in the face for that stupid decision to fake the punt at midfield. By trying to assert his "genius" in the game like that, he took his team right out of the game.
Yea like the fake punt that gave Bama a short field. Hurst comes off the bench and wins the game for Bama. Like I said, UNBELIEVABLE! No one is beating Bama. Just give them the National Trophy now.
You have to force Hurts go the length of the field there. HAVE TO. You can’t Mikey Mouse it and go for a fake punt on 4th and 11! Wow! I’m in shock.
Georgia football does it again.
I agree, You have to punt and make them go the length of the field.
So I guess now - barring a Pitt upset of Clemson - we're playing for a Rose Bowl berth, right? Oh well, something to watch on New Years Day would be nice, I guess.
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