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Well, well, well, contrary to all the negativity splashed across our screens every day and the Hater Posts on here, Gallup found 84 percent of us are satisfied with the overall quality of our lives.

The Gallup survey, conducted from Jan. 2 to 15, also found since Trump's inauguration there has been double-digit increases in public satisfaction with the nation's economy, security from terrorism and military strength.

But alas, most of us already knew this. thumbsup


https://news.gallup.com/poll/284033/americans-improved-mixed.aspx
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Only 84% ??

Quick, we better turn to Socialism.
people are so satisfied, our suicide rates are rising! yay!
Swish must be part of the other 16%
Originally Posted By: Swish
people are so satisfied, our suicide rates are rising! yay!


Suicidal people are not in their right minds when they make the fatal decision. Unfortunately they give up on life too soon. They probably have no resource to talk to.

Not sure what you are trying to convey. There will always be suicides, unfortunately.
Nah, Swish is in a whole class by himself.

How bout it Swish, you satisfied?
my own individual life? absolutely.
Excellent. thumbsup
All I see is GOPer elitism with heads in the sand. They'll wonder what happened when the pitchforks come out.
Originally Posted By: Swish
my own individual life? absolutely.


How much of that has anything to do with Trump and the lyin Republicans that hide witnesses and documents and how much of that is because you work hard for your money, life and family?
Trump had zero to do with where im at currently.

Obama really did have an impact on my life, a little bit financially but spiritually really.

i was in iraq on a 15 month deployment when Obama was elected. we had just got off this god forsaken mission (nothing bad happened, but a lot of truck breakdowns during the convoy turned what was suppose to be a 4 hour turn n burn into a 19 hour grind), and one of my boys ran up on us when we got back SCREAMING about obama winning election. something just clicked bro, and i started getting motivated to learn about finances and the stock market and such. a bunch of us opened up brokerage accounts to invest in the market not knowing crap about it, but we knew obama was gonna fix the economy and such.

obama winning meant soooo freaking much to a lot of us, man. it was just like....if he can break through those barriers, we can do anything.

i mean he got called a foreign born muslim, GOP vowed to make him a one term president, became the party of no, and he STILL won reelection with all through all of that crap.

such a massive impact as to how i operate today.
Americans are not staisfied with the state of the union

https://apnews.com/0b7f7762f0bdd749242ccb7a952a4e4d
Satisfied enough because there’s ample things to distract them from the terrible on the outside.

Just like here. People satisfied to not see opposing views in front of their face so they can discuss everyday life and not be challenged.

The American Plutocratic System does a fine job of telling every citizen to not look behind the curtain.
Friend, you seem to have a very poor opinion of this country in general. Is there a better country to reside on this planet?
Originally Posted By: MemphisHoundDawg
Friend, you seem to have a very poor opinion of this country in general. Is there a better country to reside on this planet?


Probably several, as far as happiness/quality of life goes. If money were no issue and I had no ties to keep me here, I'd leave for sure.

But more to your point, we all grew up believing America was the greatest country on earth because that is what we were always told. And I remember feeling much like you do about this country. But facts, time, and disillusionment has changed that for me.
I would like to know since I’m retired now...all comparisons being equal
I hear Panama is the latest cool place for ex-pats
Originally Posted By: MemphisHoundDawg
I hear Panama is the latest cool place for ex-pats


Brother-in-law is living in Mexico, about an hour out of Mexico City, and he loves it there. Of course that is where his wife is from, so that make all the difference for him.

Can't really comment on what it's really like anywhere else. Just what I read and hear about second hand.
I’m not your friend, so drop that word when referring to me. You have to earn that.

Tell me what you know about current situations in the following subjects: social mobility in America, the purpose of Dr. King’s second march on Washington, struggles for rights and decency that impact those who aren’t straight white Christian men, which current pillars of America are built on socialism, the impeachment process as it pertains to the House of Representatives, whataboutism and the USSR, and what the Treaty of Tripoli established regarding our country.

If you attempt to engage with me before answering these questions, I will kindly remind you about these until you answer all of these queries.
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
I’m not your friend, so drop that word when referring to me. You have to earn that.

Tell me what you know about current situations in the following subjects: social mobility in America, the purpose of Dr. King’s second march on Washington, struggles for rights and decency that impact those who aren’t straight white Christian men, which current pillars of America are built on socialism, the impeachment process as it pertains to the House of Representatives, whataboutism and the USSR, and what the Treaty of Tripoli established regarding our country.

If you attempt to engage with me before answering these questions, I will kindly remind you about these until you answer all of these queries.


It doesn't sound like you want to hear a differing perspective. In fact, it reads as though you are preaching, instead of trying to learn how others feel.

It comes across as you feeling you are better than others, and if one doesn't bow down, forget them.

JMT.
You just want to complain about the past...as many do. Blame someone else for the present. We can’t change the past, only try to improve the future for all...Have a good day
Actually...

You, DC, JFan, YTown, Jules, GM, MrTed and Tulsa have engaged in discussion with me over these topics since 2011. We may disagree a lot, sometime we agree, but at least you usually make the effort to consider a viewpoint other than your own.

Spoiler alert: I’ve learned from you and those I’ve mentioned.

I only wish to engage in discussion with people similar to you. You try to make the effort to consider the other side, and I try my best to step in your shoes like Atticus Finch asks all of us to do.

The majority of opposing voices that visit this quarantined section sound like they come straight from Stormfront, and engage in bad faith discussion. I ain’t got time for that.
I think you suffer from a very common illness that permeates our society. I hope you find a better path that correlates with TODAYS modern society
Odd how you only posted what makes it look good for you.

Satisfied Dissatisfied Net satisfied
% % pct. pts.
The way income and wealth are distributed in the U.S. 43 56 -13

The nation's laws or policies on guns 42% 56 % -13

Our system of government and how well it works 43 57 -14

The size and influence of major corporations 41 58 -17

The state of race relations 36 58 -22

The level of immigration into the country today 35 57 -22

The amount Americans pay in federal taxes 37 60 -23

The availability of affordable healthcare 37 60 -23

The size and power of the federal government 38 62 -24

The nation's policies regarding the abortion issue 32 58 -26

The quality of public education in the nation 35 63 -28

The nation's campaign finance laws 23 53 -30

The moral and ethical climate 32 68 -36

The nation's efforts to deal with poverty and homelessness 22 75 -53

https://news.gallup.com/poll/284033/americans-improved-mixed.aspx
Originally Posted By: MemphisHoundDawg
I think you suffer from a very common illness that permeates our society. I hope you find a better path that correlates with most of TODAYS modern society


Tell me what you know about current situations in the following subjects: social mobility in America, the purpose of Dr. King’s second march on Washington, struggles for rights and decency that impact those who aren’t straight white Christian men, which current pillars of America are built on socialism, the impeachment process as it pertains to the House of Representatives, whataboutism and the USSR, and what the Treaty of Tripoli established regarding our country.

If you attempt to engage with me before answering these questions, I will kindly remind you about these until you answer all of these queries.
I grew up in the Deep South during the civil rights movement. I watched on tv JFK, RFK, MLK assassinations and the aftermath when I was very young. how old are you? I don’t think you have a clue
Ok, you saw. Do you know why MLK was about to march on Washington for a second time?

Engaging in “how young/old” arguments is a logical fallacy. I suggest you shy away from the use of logical fallacy.
What does that have to do with knowing about anything he asked you?

I was alive then but I was young. The only thing I figured out at the time was only people who were trying to help the common man and those discriminated against were being assassinated.
I grew up in the Deep South during the civil rights movement. I watched on tv JFK, RFK, MLK assassinations and the aftermath when I was very young. how old are you? I don’t think you have a clue
Originally Posted By: MemphisHoundDawg
I grew up in the Deep South during the civil rights movement. I watched on tv JFK, RFK, MLK assassinations and the aftermath when I was very young. how old are you? I don’t think you have a clue


We already have a surplus of know nothing trolls on here bro, he's trying to engage with you on an intellectual level or see if you are capable of such engagement. But he will completely understand if you know nothing about the country you live in other than what you've heard in an echo chamber full of like minded people.
Originally Posted By: MemphisHoundDawg
I grew up in the Deep South during the civil rights movement. I watched on tv JFK, RFK, MLK assassinations and the aftermath when I was very young. how old are you? I don’t think you have a clue


Ok, you saw. Do you know why MLK was about to march on Washington for a second time?

Engaging in “how young/old” arguments is a logical fallacy. I suggest you shy away from the use of logical fallacy.
Thanks Bro...he’s probably 20 years old and had to look up JFK LOL
Originally Posted By: MemphisHoundDawg
Thanks Bro...he’s probably 20 years old and had to look up JFK LOL


This is how it looks when you can't answer questions you were asked. You just throw crap against the wall in hopes something sticks instead.
Originally Posted By: MemphisHoundDawg
Thanks Bro...he’s probably 20 years old and had to look up JFK LOL


So because you can't answer - or because you feel threatened you revert to the age thing? All that does is reflect on you. But, carry on! All good.
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I grew up in the Deep South during the civil rights movement


That tells me just about everything I need to know. Ty
So far both sides of this thread seem like illogical ramblers making personal attacks and ignoring things that don't fit their vociferous, prefabricated arguments.

So, basically, more evidence of our country in microcosm.

Smh.
Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg
So far both sides of this thread seem like illogical ramblers making personal attacks and ignoring things that don't fit their vociferous, prefabricated arguments.

So, basically, more evidence of our country in microcosm.

Smh.


But you must admit, everyone seems very satisfied with their personal attacks, ramblings and vociferous prefabricated arguments. thumbsup
True enough.

It seems we need to recalibrate our sense of satisfaction.
Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg
So far both sides of this thread seem like illogical ramblers making personal attacks and ignoring things that don't fit their vociferous, prefabricated arguments.

So, basically, more evidence of our country in microcosm.

Smh.


Would you like to refute any of my viewpoints.

I’m waiting for empirical peer review data that life is better for minorities today than it was during Obama.

I’ll be waiting.
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg
So far both sides of this thread seem like illogical ramblers making personal attacks and ignoring things that don't fit their vociferous, prefabricated arguments.

So, basically, more evidence of our country in microcosm.

Smh.


Would you like to refute any of my viewpoints.

I’m waiting for empirical peer review data that life is better for minorities today than it was during Obama.

I’ll be waiting.


I'd have to see a viewpoint from you in this thread to refute it.

I don't have a horse in this race. I'm not going to do the study myself, and most academics tend to be liberal who wouldn't be eager to publish studies that might point out that things are better under Trump. I'm surprised I can't find any really saying the opposite. When I'm at a PC instead of my phone, I might try a more specialized academic search engine instead of Google.

Please do wait. Raging about logical fallacies when someone is talking about their experience rather than logic seems illogical. Not reading stuff like that for a bit would be nice.
No matter how the media wants to spin it, every day regular Americans are happy with their lives and the direction the country is headed. Those who say otherwise are just malcontents and complainers.
With you it's always the same crap. "Every day regular Americans" means like you when you say it. Everyone else is a malcontent or complainer. I bet you can't see the problem here can you?
Because there is no problem? The country is vastly better off than it was 4 years ago. If you can't see that then you're just a blind fool.
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
No matter how the media wants to spin it, every day regular Americans are happy with their lives and the direction the country is headed. Those who say otherwise are just malcontents and complainers.


Agree, 100 percent thumbsup
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
Because there is no problem? The country is vastly better off than it was 4 years ago. If you can't see that then you're just a blind fool.


Yes, how could we do more? Make more baby cages for the southern border? Give Putin more control of, in, and throughout the rest of the world? Cause more farm bankruptcies? Give more Billions to the billionaire class? More tax breaks for the 1%? Abandon more allies on the field of battle? Divide Americans more and more and more until that civil war becomes a reality? ... I could go on all day, but you are too low brow to get it. Check your bank account, maybe stocks if you own them, then drink more Trump kook aid.
You have the gall to accuse President Trump and the Republicans of dividing the Country?

Insanity hoax
Collusiongate
Muellergate
Ukrainegate
Impeachment Circus

All lies perpetrated by the Left, dividing this Nation like never before!

Why? Because they want a Socialist Nation!
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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
You have the gall to accuse President Trump and the Republicans of dividing the Country?

Insanity hoax
Collusiongate
Muellergate
Ukrainegate
Impeachment Circus

All lies perpetrated by the Left, dividing this Nation like never before!

Why? Because they want a Socialist Nation!




You are a laugh a minute! Trump pits everyone against everyone. He never tried to be America's President, just the deplorables President. You can't pointy fingers on that. He's also GUILTY of all those things he was accused of doing, but he's above the law thanks to head in the sand GOPers like you.
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
No matter how the media wants to spin it, every day regular Americans are happy with their lives and the direction the country is headed. Those who say otherwise are just malcontents and complainers.


Everyday regular Americans are drunk, distracted, depressed, overworked, and underpaid is as accurate as your version (probably more).

Those who say otherwise are willing to face hard truths.
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Everyday regular Americans are drunk


That's the reason we are happy nanner
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
You have the gall to accuse President Trump and the Republicans of dividing the Country?

Insanity hoax
Collusiongate
Muellergate
Ukrainegate
Impeachment Circus

All lies perpetrated by the Left, dividing this Nation like never before!

Why? Because they want a Socialist Nation!




If the idiot didn't so many dumb things, nobody would go after him either. He brings it on himself
He doesn't seem to realize how many people were convicted during the Mueller probe.

He fails to mention that even Republican senators admit Trump is guilty of exactly what the Democrats accused him of in Ukraine.

He's not very good at facts. And is Trump mentally stable? Who knows? Certainly not 40 cent.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
He doesn't seem to realize how many people were convicted during the Mueller probe.

He fails to mention that even Republican senators admit Trump is guilty of exactly what the Democrats accused him of in Ukraine.

He's not very good at facts. And is Trump mentally stable? Who knows? Certainly not 40 cent.


I haven't been following the Impeachment. Like most Americans I realize how ridiculous it is.

Lets say you're right. I don't or care. Do you think O or Hill & Bill maybe even old whimpy Jimmy Carter have not done the same or worse? Remember, I have more flexibility after the election
Pitt fails to mention it is a very small minority of Republicans who say these things but they all agree on this...

Even if they were all true, which they are not, they would be policy errors and...

NOT IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES!
You seem to actually believe that everything you believe is what "most Americans" believe. That's simply not true. 75% of Americans polled wanted to see witnesses and documents during the impeachment trial. Actually a slim minority of Republicans didn't care about witnesses. 45% of Republicans wanted to see witnesses.

Hillary received almost three million more votes than Trump.

So you can stop with what you "feel" as representing what "most Americans think or believe" .

And no, I don't think other presidents have asked a foreign government to interfere in our election process by targeting they investigate their opponents. That undermines the very principal of a fair and free election process which our democacy stands on.
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Pitt fails to mention it is a very small minority of Republicans who say these things but they all agree on this...

Even if they were all true, which they are not, they would be policy errors and...

NOT IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES!


You mean they agree that asking a foreign government to interfere with our election process is not impeachable. I wouldn't be proud of that.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Pitt fails to mention it is a very small minority of Republicans who say these things but they all agree on this...

Even if they were all true, which they are not, they would be policy errors and...

NOT IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES!


You mean they agree that asking a foreign government to interfere with our election process is not impeachable. I wouldn't be proud of that.


Nice twist but another fail.

They agree it is one of the President's duties to investigate high level corruption like what happened with the Bidens and Ukraine. tsktsk
Yet that's not what they said after the trial was over. They admitted what he did was wrong.
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Pitt fails to mention it is a very small minority of Republicans who say these things but they all agree on this...

Even if they were all true, which they are not, they would be policy errors and...

NOT IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES!


You mean they agree that asking a foreign government to interfere with our election process is not impeachable. I wouldn't be proud of that.




Nice twist but another fail.

They agree it is one of the President's duties to investigate high level corruption like what happened with the Bidens and Ukraine. tsktsk



trump doing this and acting as though it’s about wanting to root out crime is laughable. You trump supporters will believe anything a proven liar spouts from his word hole. It’s crazy.


Let me guess, trump is dialing his phone now to suspend aid to Israel.
It's no wonder they're best buddies. He seems to be attracted to criminal elements.

What does this make? Eight of his buddies now?
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Well, well, well, contrary to all the negativity splashed across our screens every day and the Hater Posts on here, Gallup found 84 percent of us are satisfied with the overall quality of our lives.

The Gallup survey, conducted from Jan. 2 to 15, also found since Trump's inauguration there has been double-digit increases in public satisfaction with the nation's economy, security from terrorism and military strength.

But alas, most of us already knew this. thumbsup


https://news.gallup.com/poll/284033/americans-improved-mixed.aspx


With all due respect, I think a poll that attempts to lump "Americans' satisfaction" into one poll, is a Crock!

How many did they ask? 10 million? -not enough.
20 million? -not enough.
200 million? -I don't believe it.

Americans come from a million different walks of life,
and Satisfactions' definition is a million ways subjective.
Here's your crock in a crock...

How Does the Gallup Poll Social Series Work?
What is the Gallup Poll Social Series?
The Gallup Poll Social Series (GPSS) is a set of public opinion surveys designed to monitor U.S. adults' views on numerous social, economic, and political topics. The topics are arranged thematically across 12 surveys. Gallup administers these surveys during the same month every year and includes the survey's core trend questions in the same order each administration. Using this consistent standard allows for unprecedented analysis of changes in trend data that are not susceptible to question order bias and seasonal effects.

Introduced in 2001, the GPSS is the primary method Gallup uses to update several hundred long-term Gallup trend questions, some dating back to the 1930s. The series also includes many newer questions added to address contemporary issues as they emerge.

The core questions of the surveys differ each month, but several questions assessing the state of the nation are standard on all 12: presidential job approval, congressional job approval, satisfaction with the direction of the U.S., assessment of the U.S. job market, and an open-ended measurement of the nation's "most important problem." Additionally, Gallup includes extensive demographic questions on each survey, allowing for in-depth analysis of trends.

How are interviews conducted for the Gallup Poll Social Series?
Gallup interviews U.S. adults aged 18 and older living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia using a dual-frame design, which includes both landline and cellphone numbers. Gallup samples landline and cellphone numbers using random-digit-dial methods. Gallup purchases samples for this study from Survey Sampling International (SSI). Gallup chooses landline respondents at random within each household based on which member had the next birthday. Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 70% cellphone respondents and 30% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by time zone within region. Gallup conducts interviews in Spanish for respondents who are primarily Spanish-speaking.

How many people are interviewed as part of the Gallup Poll Social Series?
Gallup interviews a minimum of 1,000 U.S. adults aged 18 and older for each GPSS survey. Samples for the June Minority Rights and Relations survey are significantly larger because Gallup includes oversamples of blacks and Hispanics to allow for reliable estimates among these key subgroups.

How often are the Gallup Poll Social Series interviews conducted?
Gallup conducts one GPSS survey per month, with each devoted to a different topic, as follows:

January: Mood of the Nation
February: World Affairs
March: Environment
April: Economy and Finance
May: Values and Beliefs
June: Minority Rights and Relations (conducted periodically)
July: Consumption Habits
August: Work and Education
September: Governance
October: Crime
November: Health
December: Lifestyle (conducted periodically)
Are the Gallup Poll Social Series samples weighted?
Yes, Gallup weights samples to correct for unequal selection probability, nonresponse, and double coverage of landline and cellphone users in the two sampling frames. Gallup also weights its final samples to match the U.S. population according to gender, age, race, Hispanic ethnicity, education, region, population density, and phone status (cellphone only, landline only, both, and cellphone mostly). Demographic weighting targets are based on the most recent Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older U.S. population. Phone status targets are based on the most recent National Health Interview Survey. Population density targets are based on the most recent U.S. Census.

Where can I find results from the Gallup Poll Social Series and learn more about the survey?
Gallup routinely writes about GPSS findings in news articles published on News.Gallup.com. Sign up for Gallup News alerts to get these articles as soon as they are published. Gallup also archives GPSS trends in Trends A-Z.

For questions about how this survey is conducted, please contact galluphelp@gallup.com.

To access and analyze historical Gallup trends dating back to the 1930s, subscribe to Gallup Analytics.

https://www.gallup.com/201200/gallup-poll-social-series-work.aspx
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG

Hillary received almost three million more votes than Trump.




What about alert here.
You are obviously having a problem grasping context yet again.

My comment was in reply to someone else claiming what "most Americans want".

You do comprehend that "most" means more than half, right?

Try to keep up. I know it can be hard for you.
What about Hillary? You ARE aware that the popular vote is NOT how presidents are elected, correct?

So, what about Hillary?
Try reading it slower this time arch. Maybe the context will sink in. I doubt it but you may wish to try before you continue showing people you have no grasp of the term concept means.

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You seem to actually believe that everything you believe is what "most Americans" believe. That's simply not true. 75% of Americans polled wanted to see witnesses and documents during the impeachment trial. Actually a slim minority of Republicans didn't care about witnesses. 45% of Republicans wanted to see witnesses.

Hillary received almost three million more votes than Trump.

So you can stop with what you "feel" as representing what "most Americans think or believe" .


It plainly states that what he "believes" does not represent what "most" Americans "think".

Maybe it's the word "most" you're having trouble with?
Not at all.
You are are confusing things. Popular opinion, or vote, does not, and never has elected a president.

A poll is not a presidential election. Therefore, using your what aboutism with hillary is rather moot.

You shouldn't use 2 different scenarios and think 1 makes the other right?

Did 75% of those polled want to see witnesses and testimony? Apparently. At least, in that poll.
I never said it elected a president.

I'll try this slowly for you.... M O S T means more than half. L E S S than half isn't most.

Maybe that helped?

His assertion is M O R E than half supported the things he feels and believes in. Actually they do not.
After all the winning with Trump it is sad to see you defending a loser as a winner.

But, that seems to be the only straw you can grasp at.
You have a problem comprehending the definition of the word most too? That problem seems to be spreading faster than the Coronavirus.
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Quote:
Everyday regular Americans are drunk


That's the reason we are happy nanner


I was trying to think of something equally hyperbolic in the opposite direction.

That connection crossed my mind as well, and there may have been a bud seltzer commercial on in the background.
I am most sorry you are not satisfied with your life like the other 84 percent of us are.

You still have 4 more years to catch up tho. thumbsup
That or organic light beer.
Originally Posted By: northlima dawg
Americans are not staisfied with the state of the union

https://apnews.com/0b7f7762f0bdd749242ccb7a952a4e4d


This reminds me very much of a polling condition we had in the mid 2000s.. GWB was President and we had a lot of turmoil going on, a lot of hate (this was before the housing collapse).. not as much as now, but for the time, it was a lot.

A poll showed that an overwhelming % of Americans were doing well. We had come out of the .com bubble and things were really humming economically.. but there was this other stat many were all in despair for the state of the country because they were consistently told how bad EVERYBODY ELSE was doing... but based on polling, most of everybody else, was also doing pretty well. And that is based almost entirely on media manipulation and the news we are fed...

And if anybody wants to debate the fact that the media was 100% more POSITIVE during the Obama administration than the one that came before or after, find somebody else because it's not worth my time to debate.
Originally Posted By: Swish
Trump had zero to do with where im at currently.

Obama really did have an impact on my life, a little bit financially but spiritually really.

i was in iraq on a 15 month deployment when Obama was elected. we had just got off this god forsaken mission (nothing bad happened, but a lot of truck breakdowns during the convoy turned what was suppose to be a 4 hour turn n burn into a 19 hour grind), and one of my boys ran up on us when we got back SCREAMING about obama winning election. something just clicked bro, and i started getting motivated to learn about finances and the stock market and such. a bunch of us opened up brokerage accounts to invest in the market not knowing crap about it, but we knew obama was gonna fix the economy and such.

obama winning meant soooo freaking much to a lot of us, man. it was just like....if he can break through those barriers, we can do anything.

i mean he got called a foreign born muslim, GOP vowed to make him a one term president, became the party of no, and he STILL won reelection with all through all of that crap.

such a massive impact as to how i operate today.

That's awesome bro... anything that inspires us to be better, to be more involved, to improve our lives is a good thing.
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Originally Posted By: northlima dawg
Americans are not staisfied with the state of the union

https://apnews.com/0b7f7762f0bdd749242ccb7a952a4e4d


This reminds me very much of a polling condition we had in the mid 2000s.. GWB was President and we had a lot of turmoil going on, a lot of hate (this was before the housing collapse).. not as much as now, but for the time, it was a lot.

A poll showed that an overwhelming % of Americans were doing well. We had come out of the .com bubble and things were really humming economically.. but there was this other stat many were all in despair for the state of the country because they were consistently told how bad EVERYBODY ELSE was doing... but based on polling, most of everybody else, was also doing pretty well. And that is based almost entirely on media manipulation and the news we are fed...

And if anybody wants to debate the fact that the media was 100% more POSITIVE during the Obama administration than the one that came before or after, find somebody else because it's not worth my time to debate.


Point 1 - When you say the overwhelming % of Americans were doing well - in what regard and by what standard? Because on one hand and in humility, we might say we are doing well when we have a roof over our heads and food in our belly.... Another comparison might be to look at how many hours a family works to put that roof over their heads and the food in their bellies - another bench mark might be to compare relative income and wealth of our peers .... the middle class is shrinking or gone. That's does not necessarily seem to jive with Americans are overwhelmingly doing well.... I'm not saying one way or another, just highlighting that the poll seems very subjective.

Point 2 - Media and news and 'information' has changed. Everything is instant. Everything is available 24 hours a day. A lot of it is driven by click-counts... click bait ... that's a reflection as much about technology as 'journalism' or reporting etc.... We live in the safest times - but the News highlights the shock and tragedy and we don't 'feel' safer .... it's one of the reason's tolerance of immigrants is (or feels like) an all time low. Again - not saying right or wrong just giving context.

Point 3 - Fox news and any right leaning media outlet was just as negative during Obama's terms. I really would struggle to think it was better or worse - the tables have simply flipped is all. Fox wouldn't ever promote a positive element to Obama's achievements - and MSNBC and some others don't do it with any of Trump's achievements. I'd say on balance there are a lot more bonafide concerns to report on with Trump. I can't even imagine what it'd have been like if Obama did half the shady crap Trump does. Obama wasn't perfect - but do you really want to suggest that from a 'news' perspective Obama was as controversial as Trump? Heck - Obama said "You can keep your Dr" and it's repeated like a mantra by many on the 'Right' ... Trump lies every single day - many of those lies as big or bigger than that and .... it is accepted somehow. Even the Dems have given up highlighting the pathological way Trump invents his own truth.
What's funny is as proposed at the time Obama made that statement, you would be able to keep your doctor. Only AFTER it went through the house and the senate was it watered down to where many couldn't.
details don't matter
I have no clue why people wouldn't be happy. The economy is soaring, going through the roof. Freedom and individual rights are at an all time high. If you have a 401k you've literally made thousands since Trump took over.
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
I have no clue why people wouldn't be happy.

You, clueless, say it ain't so.

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The economy is soaring, going through the roof.

The economy has been falsely inflated which will most likely be followed by an inevitable collapse.

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Freedom and individual rights are at an all time high.

If you consider lying under oath and obfuscating justice as something certain people are free to do.

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If you have a 401k you've literally made thousands since Trump took over.

If you're not living paycheck to paycheck, which as of last year 4 out of 5 Americans were, perhaps you've made money. But, it's mostly people that already have enough money.
The economy’s falsely inflated .... rofl ...

Here’s some good news .... i read a few days ago that 1 in 4 millennials have at least 100k In retirement ..... thumbsup



Melania is smokin hot.
Which as of last year 4 out of 5? Do you have the stats to back that up or? I want the source and study.

The economy is at an all time high, unemployment is at record lows. Everything is booming. If it's NOT booming for you (not saying you specifically) then it's up to you to create your own wealth because nobody is going to help you. You've got to take the advantage and initiative. Those who fail to have that type of mindset will always blame others for their hard luck. That's why there's two camps of people, always will be.
My goodness Trump is going HARDDDD for the black vote.
Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
Which as of last year 4 out of 5? Do you have the stats to back that up or? I want the source and study.

The economy is at an all time high, unemployment is at record lows. Everything is booming. If it's NOT booming for you (not saying you specifically) then it's up to you to create your own wealth because nobody is going to help you. You've got to take the advantage and initiative. Those who fail to have that type of mindset will always blame others for their hard luck. That's why there's two camps of people, always will be.


Here are the 2 I saw earlier, but trying to link things from a phone is kind of a pain:
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/09/shut...o-paycheck.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedma...t-shutdown/amp/

Our economy is good for those at the top. Not so good for those at the bottom. The 2 are tied together.

People can claim capitalism is not a zero sum , and in theory, they are correct. In practice, you get rich by taking advantage of an inequality. A business owner pays employees less money than the value they provide. A pharmaceutical company charges $1000 dollars for something that costs $75 to produce. The stock market isn't tied directly to anything concrete, it's a massive web of speculation that can be, and is, manipulated. Plus, for such a great economy the government still manages to consistently run at a deficit. Individuals also have massive amounts of debt. (link)

Don't get me started on fractional reserve banking. Our economy only survives on figurative sleight of hand, shell games, and Ponzi schemes. That and the blind belief of the uneducated masses, and/or the highly educated and unscrupulous few that know how to fix the games.
Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg
The stock market isn't tied directly to anything concrete, it's a massive web of speculation that can be, and is, manipulated.

Which is why it is so volatile and can react to speculation and events like Coronavirus... But then you have Da Menzas who question the concept that the market is or could be over valued ... personally I think it's going to continue to climb - but there is an big down coming, it is as inevitable as the sun rising.

As for 4/5 living paycheck to paycheck? At face value that estimate seems high but it could be the definition of "paycheck to paycheck". Is that measuring savings? 401K? Is it subjective by the person polled? I would have anticipated a number of 50-60% living paycheck to paycheck . . . . I had read this week where 20% of Americans did not have enough money month to month to cover essentials of food and housing. Searching for some reference I saw the following that says 39% of Americans struggle to pay for either food, housing, healthcare, utilities at some point each year.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/40-of-...care-2018-08-28
If the economy is doing so well why are public schools and teachers still underfunded?
Did anybody ask the fine residents of Flint Michigan?
Got a clue why there has been a huge spike in home less Americans in the last 3-4 years?
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
If the economy is doing so well why are public schools and teachers still underfunded?

If public schools and teachers are underfunded, why is that the federal governments fault?
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Did anybody ask the fine residents of Flint Michigan?

Ask them what, why the city of Flint and the state of Michigan haven't fixed the great boondoggle they created? Again, not the federal governments responsibility.
Originally Posted By: pfm1963
Melania is smokin hot.


And there's plenty of pictures on the internet that show you plenty of skin of her since you seem so interested.

I would give you the links to them but they're pretty borderline. They might get me banned. But you can google search "Melania semi nude photos" to see her in all of her "hotness".
Watta sick twisted reply sad
Originally Posted By: Riley01
Watta sick twisted reply sad


FACTS don’t have FEELINGS ...

It was a truthful post that don’t fit your agenda so u crap all over it ... nice job ... thumbsup
Which part?
I think it was intended for me. wink
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG


But you can google search "Melania semi nude photos" to see her in all of her "hotness".


Cool as she was working as a Model.

I will trade you pics of Michelle when she won the Butkus Award.
Michelle had enough class not to pose for such pictures. But nice try.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Michelle had enough class not to pose for such pictures. But nice try.

So a woman who was blessed with beauty and chooses to make her living through modelling, which may include nude or near-nude photos has no class?

Oh, and the shot at Michelle was uncalled for (by him)... Michelle is not a bad looking lady and comparing her the a football linebacker reeks of racism.
Time to come out of the Dark Ages and realize that women work too.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Michelle had enough class not to pose for such pictures. But nice try.
Kinda a bad take

You realize women have posed nude for photos for hundreds of years, right?

Are you calling world famous and historic paintings and sculptures classless, because they are simply nude?
Pit is just a hater. Don't mean nothing.
j/c

For all who didn't understand my context because I certainly didn't explain it well.

The Super Bowl halftime backlash says more about the complainers than the performers

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/2/5/21...-jennifer-lopez

My point was the hypocrisy shown more than anything. Melania gets zero comments on the right for her actions while there was some faux moral outrage over the Super bowl halftime show.

The lines about "class" were a mockery of how Republicans used to act when the shoe was on the other foot. But now that paying off playboy bunnies and porn stars seem to be "blessed" by all of you I fully understand how your position has changed.
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Time to come out of the Dark Ages and realize that women work too.


That's what Stormy Daniels said when she was cashing Trump's checks.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
j/c

For all who didn't understand my context because I certainly didn't explain it well.

The Super Bowl halftime backlash says more about the complainers than the performers

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/2/5/21...-jennifer-lopez

My point was the hypocrisy shown more than anything. Melania gets zero comments on the right for her actions while there was some faux moral outrage over the Super bowl halftime show.

The lines about "class" were a mockery of how Republicans used to act when the shoe was on the other foot. But now that paying off playboy bunnies and porn stars seem to be "blessed" by all of you I fully understand how your position has changed.
Ok, but ill be real with you. This really isn't a Republican or Dem thing. This was mainly a younger/older person thing along with male/female sort of thing.

You see, ALOT of women who complained about it - didn't say a thing about Adam Levine being half naked last year.

I know a lot of Republicans under 40 that had NO PROBLEM with what the performance they put on - and in fact, would rather they showed a little more. thumbsup

I also know a lot of older dems that were pretty mad about what they allowed to air on TV as well.

I think your casting to far a L vs R net on this, instead of looking at it as with a generational and man/women visor.

The SB was also my wifes Bday - she turned 32. I looked over at halftime and said "J.Lo 50, how old did you just turn?"

I just starting to get feeling in my legs back.
I understand we all have our "personal experiences", but you may wish to look a little deeper......

Dear Franklin Graham and Conservative Christians, you don’t get to be outraged by the Halftime Show

“I don’t expect the world to act like the church, but our country has had a sense of moral decency on prime time TV in order to protect children. We see that disappearing before our eyes. It was demonstrated in tonight‘s Halftime Show—w/millions of kids watching. This exhibition was Pepsi showing young girls that sexual exploitation of women is okay. With the exploitation of women on the rise worldwide, instead of lowering the standard, we as a society should be raising it. I’m disappointed in Pepsi and the NFL.”

-Franklin Graham on Twitter

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/shanephipp...-halftime-show/

That's just a taste of it.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I understand we all have our "personal experiences", but you may wish to look a little deeper......

Dear Franklin Graham and Conservative Christians, you don’t get to be outraged by the Halftime Show

“I don’t expect the world to act like the church, but our country has had a sense of moral decency on prime time TV in order to protect children. We see that disappearing before our eyes. It was demonstrated in tonight‘s Halftime Show—w/millions of kids watching. This exhibition was Pepsi showing young girls that sexual exploitation of women is okay. With the exploitation of women on the rise worldwide, instead of lowering the standard, we as a society should be raising it. I’m disappointed in Pepsi and the NFL.”

-Franklin Graham on Twitter

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/shanephipp...-halftime-show/

That's just a taste of it.
I would consider the "evangelicals" as a subsect of the right, much like that of the OCD's of the left smile The majority of evangelicals reside on the right yes, but there a lot of them on the left as well that would say this.

Wasn't there just a video of a women trying to take her vote for Mayor Pete back because she found out he was gay when she handed it in Iowa recently? The video is how she thinks god wouldn't like him or something like that. I only caught a portion of it so I dont know the exact comments, but that's pretty much the jist of it. Pretty sure if she was voting for Pete she was a democrat, no?

Like I said, ive seen about the same amount of outrage from both sides of the political fence -
Point taken.
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Did anybody ask the fine residents of Flint Michigan?

Ask them what, why the city of Flint and the state of Michigan haven't fixed the great boondoggle they created? Again, not the federal governments responsibility.


So they didn’t ask.

Again who said the federal gov’t was responsible?
I’m so looking forward to trump’s attacks on pete
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
I’m so looking forward to trump’s attacks on pete


Why? Because Pete is Gay?

Lets see what he has said in the past...

You must not be paying attention. What he's said in the past on just about everything has nothing to do with what he might say now.
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