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So far both sides of this thread seem like illogical ramblers making personal attacks and ignoring things that don't fit their vociferous, prefabricated arguments.

So, basically, more evidence of our country in microcosm.

Smh.


Would you like to refute any of my viewpoints.

I’m waiting for empirical peer review data that life is better for minorities today than it was during Obama.

I’ll be waiting.


I'd have to see a viewpoint from you in this thread to refute it.

I don't have a horse in this race. I'm not going to do the study myself, and most academics tend to be liberal who wouldn't be eager to publish studies that might point out that things are better under Trump. I'm surprised I can't find any really saying the opposite. When I'm at a PC instead of my phone, I might try a more specialized academic search engine instead of Google.

Please do wait. Raging about logical fallacies when someone is talking about their experience rather than logic seems illogical. Not reading stuff like that for a bit would be nice.


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No matter how the media wants to spin it, every day regular Americans are happy with their lives and the direction the country is headed. Those who say otherwise are just malcontents and complainers.


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With you it's always the same crap. "Every day regular Americans" means like you when you say it. Everyone else is a malcontent or complainer. I bet you can't see the problem here can you?

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Because there is no problem? The country is vastly better off than it was 4 years ago. If you can't see that then you're just a blind fool.


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No matter how the media wants to spin it, every day regular Americans are happy with their lives and the direction the country is headed. Those who say otherwise are just malcontents and complainers.


Agree, 100 percent thumbsup

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Because there is no problem? The country is vastly better off than it was 4 years ago. If you can't see that then you're just a blind fool.


Yes, how could we do more? Make more baby cages for the southern border? Give Putin more control of, in, and throughout the rest of the world? Cause more farm bankruptcies? Give more Billions to the billionaire class? More tax breaks for the 1%? Abandon more allies on the field of battle? Divide Americans more and more and more until that civil war becomes a reality? ... I could go on all day, but you are too low brow to get it. Check your bank account, maybe stocks if you own them, then drink more Trump kook aid.

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You have the gall to accuse President Trump and the Republicans of dividing the Country?

Insanity hoax
Collusiongate
Muellergate
Ukrainegate
Impeachment Circus

All lies perpetrated by the Left, dividing this Nation like never before!

Why? Because they want a Socialist Nation!

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You have the gall to accuse President Trump and the Republicans of dividing the Country?

Insanity hoax
Collusiongate
Muellergate
Ukrainegate
Impeachment Circus

All lies perpetrated by the Left, dividing this Nation like never before!

Why? Because they want a Socialist Nation!




You are a laugh a minute! Trump pits everyone against everyone. He never tried to be America's President, just the deplorables President. You can't pointy fingers on that. He's also GUILTY of all those things he was accused of doing, but he's above the law thanks to head in the sand GOPers like you.

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No matter how the media wants to spin it, every day regular Americans are happy with their lives and the direction the country is headed. Those who say otherwise are just malcontents and complainers.


Everyday regular Americans are drunk, distracted, depressed, overworked, and underpaid is as accurate as your version (probably more).

Those who say otherwise are willing to face hard truths.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
You have the gall to accuse President Trump and the Republicans of dividing the Country?

Insanity hoax
Collusiongate
Muellergate
Ukrainegate
Impeachment Circus

All lies perpetrated by the Left, dividing this Nation like never before!

Why? Because they want a Socialist Nation!




If the idiot didn't so many dumb things, nobody would go after him either. He brings it on himself


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He doesn't seem to realize how many people were convicted during the Mueller probe.

He fails to mention that even Republican senators admit Trump is guilty of exactly what the Democrats accused him of in Ukraine.

He's not very good at facts. And is Trump mentally stable? Who knows? Certainly not 40 cent.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
He doesn't seem to realize how many people were convicted during the Mueller probe.

He fails to mention that even Republican senators admit Trump is guilty of exactly what the Democrats accused him of in Ukraine.

He's not very good at facts. And is Trump mentally stable? Who knows? Certainly not 40 cent.


I haven't been following the Impeachment. Like most Americans I realize how ridiculous it is.

Lets say you're right. I don't or care. Do you think O or Hill & Bill maybe even old whimpy Jimmy Carter have not done the same or worse? Remember, I have more flexibility after the election

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Pitt fails to mention it is a very small minority of Republicans who say these things but they all agree on this...

Even if they were all true, which they are not, they would be policy errors and...

NOT IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES!

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You seem to actually believe that everything you believe is what "most Americans" believe. That's simply not true. 75% of Americans polled wanted to see witnesses and documents during the impeachment trial. Actually a slim minority of Republicans didn't care about witnesses. 45% of Republicans wanted to see witnesses.

Hillary received almost three million more votes than Trump.

So you can stop with what you "feel" as representing what "most Americans think or believe" .

And no, I don't think other presidents have asked a foreign government to interfere in our election process by targeting they investigate their opponents. That undermines the very principal of a fair and free election process which our democacy stands on.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Pitt fails to mention it is a very small minority of Republicans who say these things but they all agree on this...

Even if they were all true, which they are not, they would be policy errors and...

NOT IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES!


You mean they agree that asking a foreign government to interfere with our election process is not impeachable. I wouldn't be proud of that.


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Pitt fails to mention it is a very small minority of Republicans who say these things but they all agree on this...

Even if they were all true, which they are not, they would be policy errors and...

NOT IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES!


You mean they agree that asking a foreign government to interfere with our election process is not impeachable. I wouldn't be proud of that.


Nice twist but another fail.

They agree it is one of the President's duties to investigate high level corruption like what happened with the Bidens and Ukraine. tsktsk

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Yet that's not what they said after the trial was over. They admitted what he did was wrong.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Pitt fails to mention it is a very small minority of Republicans who say these things but they all agree on this...

Even if they were all true, which they are not, they would be policy errors and...

NOT IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES!


You mean they agree that asking a foreign government to interfere with our election process is not impeachable. I wouldn't be proud of that.




Nice twist but another fail.

They agree it is one of the President's duties to investigate high level corruption like what happened with the Bidens and Ukraine. tsktsk



trump doing this and acting as though it’s about wanting to root out crime is laughable. You trump supporters will believe anything a proven liar spouts from his word hole. It’s crazy.


Let me guess, trump is dialing his phone now to suspend aid to Israel.


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It's no wonder they're best buddies. He seems to be attracted to criminal elements.

What does this make? Eight of his buddies now?


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Well, well, well, contrary to all the negativity splashed across our screens every day and the Hater Posts on here, Gallup found 84 percent of us are satisfied with the overall quality of our lives.

The Gallup survey, conducted from Jan. 2 to 15, also found since Trump's inauguration there has been double-digit increases in public satisfaction with the nation's economy, security from terrorism and military strength.

But alas, most of us already knew this. thumbsup


https://news.gallup.com/poll/284033/americans-improved-mixed.aspx


With all due respect, I think a poll that attempts to lump "Americans' satisfaction" into one poll, is a Crock!

How many did they ask? 10 million? -not enough.
20 million? -not enough.
200 million? -I don't believe it.

Americans come from a million different walks of life,
and Satisfactions' definition is a million ways subjective.

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Here's your crock in a crock...

How Does the Gallup Poll Social Series Work?
What is the Gallup Poll Social Series?
The Gallup Poll Social Series (GPSS) is a set of public opinion surveys designed to monitor U.S. adults' views on numerous social, economic, and political topics. The topics are arranged thematically across 12 surveys. Gallup administers these surveys during the same month every year and includes the survey's core trend questions in the same order each administration. Using this consistent standard allows for unprecedented analysis of changes in trend data that are not susceptible to question order bias and seasonal effects.

Introduced in 2001, the GPSS is the primary method Gallup uses to update several hundred long-term Gallup trend questions, some dating back to the 1930s. The series also includes many newer questions added to address contemporary issues as they emerge.

The core questions of the surveys differ each month, but several questions assessing the state of the nation are standard on all 12: presidential job approval, congressional job approval, satisfaction with the direction of the U.S., assessment of the U.S. job market, and an open-ended measurement of the nation's "most important problem." Additionally, Gallup includes extensive demographic questions on each survey, allowing for in-depth analysis of trends.

How are interviews conducted for the Gallup Poll Social Series?
Gallup interviews U.S. adults aged 18 and older living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia using a dual-frame design, which includes both landline and cellphone numbers. Gallup samples landline and cellphone numbers using random-digit-dial methods. Gallup purchases samples for this study from Survey Sampling International (SSI). Gallup chooses landline respondents at random within each household based on which member had the next birthday. Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 70% cellphone respondents and 30% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by time zone within region. Gallup conducts interviews in Spanish for respondents who are primarily Spanish-speaking.

How many people are interviewed as part of the Gallup Poll Social Series?
Gallup interviews a minimum of 1,000 U.S. adults aged 18 and older for each GPSS survey. Samples for the June Minority Rights and Relations survey are significantly larger because Gallup includes oversamples of blacks and Hispanics to allow for reliable estimates among these key subgroups.

How often are the Gallup Poll Social Series interviews conducted?
Gallup conducts one GPSS survey per month, with each devoted to a different topic, as follows:

January: Mood of the Nation
February: World Affairs
March: Environment
April: Economy and Finance
May: Values and Beliefs
June: Minority Rights and Relations (conducted periodically)
July: Consumption Habits
August: Work and Education
September: Governance
October: Crime
November: Health
December: Lifestyle (conducted periodically)
Are the Gallup Poll Social Series samples weighted?
Yes, Gallup weights samples to correct for unequal selection probability, nonresponse, and double coverage of landline and cellphone users in the two sampling frames. Gallup also weights its final samples to match the U.S. population according to gender, age, race, Hispanic ethnicity, education, region, population density, and phone status (cellphone only, landline only, both, and cellphone mostly). Demographic weighting targets are based on the most recent Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older U.S. population. Phone status targets are based on the most recent National Health Interview Survey. Population density targets are based on the most recent U.S. Census.

Where can I find results from the Gallup Poll Social Series and learn more about the survey?
Gallup routinely writes about GPSS findings in news articles published on News.Gallup.com. Sign up for Gallup News alerts to get these articles as soon as they are published. Gallup also archives GPSS trends in Trends A-Z.

For questions about how this survey is conducted, please contact galluphelp@gallup.com.

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG

Hillary received almost three million more votes than Trump.




What about alert here.

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You are obviously having a problem grasping context yet again.

My comment was in reply to someone else claiming what "most Americans want".

You do comprehend that "most" means more than half, right?

Try to keep up. I know it can be hard for you.


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What about Hillary? You ARE aware that the popular vote is NOT how presidents are elected, correct?

So, what about Hillary?

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Try reading it slower this time arch. Maybe the context will sink in. I doubt it but you may wish to try before you continue showing people you have no grasp of the term concept means.

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You seem to actually believe that everything you believe is what "most Americans" believe. That's simply not true. 75% of Americans polled wanted to see witnesses and documents during the impeachment trial. Actually a slim minority of Republicans didn't care about witnesses. 45% of Republicans wanted to see witnesses.

Hillary received almost three million more votes than Trump.

So you can stop with what you "feel" as representing what "most Americans think or believe" .


It plainly states that what he "believes" does not represent what "most" Americans "think".

Maybe it's the word "most" you're having trouble with?


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Not at all.
You are are confusing things. Popular opinion, or vote, does not, and never has elected a president.

A poll is not a presidential election. Therefore, using your what aboutism with hillary is rather moot.

You shouldn't use 2 different scenarios and think 1 makes the other right?

Did 75% of those polled want to see witnesses and testimony? Apparently. At least, in that poll.

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I never said it elected a president.

I'll try this slowly for you.... M O S T means more than half. L E S S than half isn't most.

Maybe that helped?

His assertion is M O R E than half supported the things he feels and believes in. Actually they do not.


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After all the winning with Trump it is sad to see you defending a loser as a winner.

But, that seems to be the only straw you can grasp at.

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You have a problem comprehending the definition of the word most too? That problem seems to be spreading faster than the Coronavirus.


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That's the reason we are happy nanner


I was trying to think of something equally hyperbolic in the opposite direction.

That connection crossed my mind as well, and there may have been a bud seltzer commercial on in the background.


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I am most sorry you are not satisfied with your life like the other 84 percent of us are.

You still have 4 more years to catch up tho. thumbsup

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Originally Posted By: northlima dawg
Americans are not staisfied with the state of the union

https://apnews.com/0b7f7762f0bdd749242ccb7a952a4e4d


This reminds me very much of a polling condition we had in the mid 2000s.. GWB was President and we had a lot of turmoil going on, a lot of hate (this was before the housing collapse).. not as much as now, but for the time, it was a lot.

A poll showed that an overwhelming % of Americans were doing well. We had come out of the .com bubble and things were really humming economically.. but there was this other stat many were all in despair for the state of the country because they were consistently told how bad EVERYBODY ELSE was doing... but based on polling, most of everybody else, was also doing pretty well. And that is based almost entirely on media manipulation and the news we are fed...

And if anybody wants to debate the fact that the media was 100% more POSITIVE during the Obama administration than the one that came before or after, find somebody else because it's not worth my time to debate.


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Trump had zero to do with where im at currently.

Obama really did have an impact on my life, a little bit financially but spiritually really.

i was in iraq on a 15 month deployment when Obama was elected. we had just got off this god forsaken mission (nothing bad happened, but a lot of truck breakdowns during the convoy turned what was suppose to be a 4 hour turn n burn into a 19 hour grind), and one of my boys ran up on us when we got back SCREAMING about obama winning election. something just clicked bro, and i started getting motivated to learn about finances and the stock market and such. a bunch of us opened up brokerage accounts to invest in the market not knowing crap about it, but we knew obama was gonna fix the economy and such.

obama winning meant soooo freaking much to a lot of us, man. it was just like....if he can break through those barriers, we can do anything.

i mean he got called a foreign born muslim, GOP vowed to make him a one term president, became the party of no, and he STILL won reelection with all through all of that crap.

such a massive impact as to how i operate today.

That's awesome bro... anything that inspires us to be better, to be more involved, to improve our lives is a good thing.


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Americans are not staisfied with the state of the union

https://apnews.com/0b7f7762f0bdd749242ccb7a952a4e4d


This reminds me very much of a polling condition we had in the mid 2000s.. GWB was President and we had a lot of turmoil going on, a lot of hate (this was before the housing collapse).. not as much as now, but for the time, it was a lot.

A poll showed that an overwhelming % of Americans were doing well. We had come out of the .com bubble and things were really humming economically.. but there was this other stat many were all in despair for the state of the country because they were consistently told how bad EVERYBODY ELSE was doing... but based on polling, most of everybody else, was also doing pretty well. And that is based almost entirely on media manipulation and the news we are fed...

And if anybody wants to debate the fact that the media was 100% more POSITIVE during the Obama administration than the one that came before or after, find somebody else because it's not worth my time to debate.


Point 1 - When you say the overwhelming % of Americans were doing well - in what regard and by what standard? Because on one hand and in humility, we might say we are doing well when we have a roof over our heads and food in our belly.... Another comparison might be to look at how many hours a family works to put that roof over their heads and the food in their bellies - another bench mark might be to compare relative income and wealth of our peers .... the middle class is shrinking or gone. That's does not necessarily seem to jive with Americans are overwhelmingly doing well.... I'm not saying one way or another, just highlighting that the poll seems very subjective.

Point 2 - Media and news and 'information' has changed. Everything is instant. Everything is available 24 hours a day. A lot of it is driven by click-counts... click bait ... that's a reflection as much about technology as 'journalism' or reporting etc.... We live in the safest times - but the News highlights the shock and tragedy and we don't 'feel' safer .... it's one of the reason's tolerance of immigrants is (or feels like) an all time low. Again - not saying right or wrong just giving context.

Point 3 - Fox news and any right leaning media outlet was just as negative during Obama's terms. I really would struggle to think it was better or worse - the tables have simply flipped is all. Fox wouldn't ever promote a positive element to Obama's achievements - and MSNBC and some others don't do it with any of Trump's achievements. I'd say on balance there are a lot more bonafide concerns to report on with Trump. I can't even imagine what it'd have been like if Obama did half the shady crap Trump does. Obama wasn't perfect - but do you really want to suggest that from a 'news' perspective Obama was as controversial as Trump? Heck - Obama said "You can keep your Dr" and it's repeated like a mantra by many on the 'Right' ... Trump lies every single day - many of those lies as big or bigger than that and .... it is accepted somehow. Even the Dems have given up highlighting the pathological way Trump invents his own truth.

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What's funny is as proposed at the time Obama made that statement, you would be able to keep your doctor. Only AFTER it went through the house and the senate was it watered down to where many couldn't.


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