Report: Biden Aide T.J. Ducklo Threatened to ‘Destroy’ Politico Reporter for Story on His Relationship With Axios Journalist
T.J. Ducklo, President Joe Biden’s deputy press secretary, is accused of threatening Politico reporter Tara Palmeri for working on a story regarding his relationship with Axios journalist Alexi McCammond, according to a Friday report.
Vanity Fair reports:
The confrontation began on Inauguration Day, January 20, after Palmeri, a coauthor of Politico’s Playbook, contacted McCammond for comment while one of her male colleagues left a message for Ducklo, according to sources. […] But instead of calling the male reporter who initially contacted him, Ducklo tried to intimidate Palmeri by phone in an effort to kill the story. “I will destroy you,” Ducklo told her, according to sources, adding that he would ruin her reputation if she published it.
During the off-the-record call, Ducklo made derogatory and misogynistic comments, accusing Palmeri of only reporting on his relationship—which, due to the ethics questions that factor into the relationship between a journalist and White House official, falls under the purview of her reporting beat—because she was “jealous” that an unidentified man in the past had “wanted to f-censor” McCammond “and not you.” Ducklo also accused Palmeri of being “jealous” of his relationship with McCammond.
Hours following Vanity Fair‘s report, White House press secretary Jen Psaki announced that Ducklo (pictured) would not be fired and instead be placed on a one-week suspension without pay.
“TJ Ducklo has apologized to the reporter, with whom he had a heated conversation about his personal life. He is the first to acknowledge this is not the standard of behavior set out by the President,” Psaki wrote on Twitter. “In addition to his initial apology, he has sent the reporter a personal note expressing his profound regret.”
“With the approval of the White House Chief of Staff, he has been placed on a one-week suspension without pay,” the White House official added. “In addition, when he returns, he will no longer be assigned to work with any reporters at Politico.”
Ducklo has yet to issue a statement addressing the controversy. Palmeri has remained mum as well.
The White House’s decision to keep Ducklo appears to violate a pledge made by Biden to terminate members of his administration who conduct themselves disrespectfully towards others. In a January 21 video conference, Biden assured staff that his administration will lead with “core American values” and “humility and trust.”
“Everybody is entitled to be treated with decency and dignity,” Biden said. “That’s been missing in a big way the last four years.”
“I am not joking when I say this … if you ever work with me and I hear you treat another colleague with disrespect … talk down to someone, I promise you I will fire you on the spot … on the spot. No ifs, ands, or buts,” the president warned.
At the start of the Biden administration, Psaki told reporters she had a “deep respect for the role of a free and independent press in our democracy.”
“There will be moments when we disagree, and there will certainly be days where we disagree for extensive parts of the briefing even, perhaps,” she stated. “But we have a common goal, which is sharing accurate information with the American people.”
Report: Biden Aide T.J. Ducklo Threatened to ‘Destroy’ Politico Reporter for Story on His Relationship With Axios Journalist
T.J. Ducklo, President Joe Biden’s deputy press secretary, is accused of threatening Politico reporter Tara Palmeri for working on a story regarding his relationship with Axios journalist Alexi McCammond, according to a Friday report.
Vanity Fair reports:
The confrontation began on Inauguration Day, January 20, after Palmeri, a coauthor of Politico’s Playbook, contacted McCammond for comment while one of her male colleagues left a message for Ducklo, according to sources. […] But instead of calling the male reporter who initially contacted him, Ducklo tried to intimidate Palmeri by phone in an effort to kill the story. “I will destroy you,” Ducklo told her, according to sources, adding that he would ruin her reputation if she published it.
During the off-the-record call, Ducklo made derogatory and misogynistic comments, accusing Palmeri of only reporting on his relationship—which, due to the ethics questions that factor into the relationship between a journalist and White House official, falls under the purview of her reporting beat—because she was “jealous” that an unidentified man in the past had “wanted to f-censor” McCammond “and not you.” Ducklo also accused Palmeri of being “jealous” of his relationship with McCammond.
Hours following Vanity Fair‘s report, White House press secretary Jen Psaki announced that Ducklo (pictured) would not be fired and instead be placed on a one-week suspension without pay.
“TJ Ducklo has apologized to the reporter, with whom he had a heated conversation about his personal life. He is the first to acknowledge this is not the standard of behavior set out by the President,” Psaki wrote on Twitter. “In addition to his initial apology, he has sent the reporter a personal note expressing his profound regret.”
“With the approval of the White House Chief of Staff, he has been placed on a one-week suspension without pay,” the White House official added. “In addition, when he returns, he will no longer be assigned to work with any reporters at Politico.”
Ducklo has yet to issue a statement addressing the controversy. Palmeri has remained mum as well.
The White House’s decision to keep Ducklo appears to violate a pledge made by Biden to terminate members of his administration who conduct themselves disrespectfully towards others. In a January 21 video conference, Biden assured staff that his administration will lead with “core American values” and “humility and trust.”
“Everybody is entitled to be treated with decency and dignity,” Biden said. “That’s been missing in a big way the last four years.”
“I am not joking when I say this … if you ever work with me and I hear you treat another colleague with disrespect … talk down to someone, I promise you I will fire you on the spot … on the spot. No ifs, ands, or buts,” the president warned.
At the start of the Biden administration, Psaki told reporters she had a “deep respect for the role of a free and independent press in our democracy.”
“There will be moments when we disagree, and there will certainly be days where we disagree for extensive parts of the briefing even, perhaps,” she stated. “But we have a common goal, which is sharing accurate information with the American people.”
Oh look ... no surprise. Suddenly no sources doesn't matter again. Party of hypocrites has switched gears. LOLOLOLOL
If true - shame on them. Of course, digging dirt on personal relations for a little salacious tittle tattle doesn't compare to Trump getting briefed on Russians taking out contracts on American soldiers in the field ... but hey. You gotta chit on what you can as Cult of Trump so I get it.
Psaki stumbles over Ducklo drama after Biden vowed to ‘fire’ aides for harassment
By Lia Eustachewich
February 12, 2021
White House press secretary Jen Psaki waffled Friday when grilled on TJ Ducklo’s one-week suspension for threatening a journalist — even though President Biden has vowed to fire his aides “on the spot” for harassment.
Psaki said the remarks from Ducklo — who threatened to “destroy” Politico reporter Tara Palmeri for reporting about his personal relationship — were “completely unacceptable” but refused to address why he wasn’t outright fired.
“We felt it was a serious punishment,” Psaki told reporters at a White House press briefing.
Biden’s zero-tolerance promise came as he swore in his appointees on Inauguration Day.
“I am not joking when I say this, if you are ever working with me and I hear you treat another colleague with disrespect … talk down to someone, I promise you I will fire you on the spot,” he said at the time. “On the spot. No ifs, ands or buts. Everybody is entitled to be treated with decency and dignity. That’s been missing in a big way the last four years.”
Ducklo was suspended without pay for a week over his tirade to Palmeri, to whom he’s also apologized. When he returns, he will no longer be assigned to work with Politico reporters. TJ Ducklo; Jen Psaki Jen Psaki said the remarks from TJ Ducklo were “completely unacceptable.” Twitter; Getty Images
Psaki dodged a question about Biden’s remarks on Jan. 20, saying Ducklo’s punishment fits the crime.
“It doesn’t meet our standard, it doesn’t meet the president’s standard,” she said. “It was important that we took a step to make that clear and that included not just an apology directly from him and apologies directly from us at the highest levels there, but also a step to suspend him for one week without pay. That, in our view, was an important step to send the message that we don’t find it acceptable.”
Psaki also said she did not discuss Ducklo’s conduct or punishment with Biden.
Live like your Mom actually raised you. If you can't, you deserve what comes your way from bad behavior.
I never lost a cush job for being an underwear skidmark, but I certainly paid a few steep fines in other ways. If I ever did lose a cush gig, it would have been nobody's fault but my own.
#zerosympathy
p.s. the swamp just got drained by one drip. officially.
I can't post this in the place where it belongs because that thread has been prematurely locked. However - as a glaring WHATABOUTISM it's very appropriate.
Biden's WH has an issue - they suspend the individual, then he resigns. Meanwhile Trump unquestionably sets the wheels in motion and orchestrates the attack on the capitol building, and the Trump of Cult are giddy that Trump got impeached and 57-43 voted to hold him accountable but not the necessary 2/3 majority. What a sham. And you don't even need to take my word for it.
“There’s no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking” the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Saturday, shortly after the majority of his Republican caucus voted against convicting the former president in his second impeachment trial. “No question about it. The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president. And having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories and reckless hyperbole which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth.”
Welcome to POLITICO’s 2021 Transition Playbook, your guide to the first 100 days of the Biden administration
This past weekend, Vice President KAMALA HARRIS was all over newspapers across India.
The stories were not about the vice president or her policies, however, but about her niece, MEENA HARRIS, who has waded into India’s internal politics surrounding protests sparked by Prime Minister NARENDRA MODI’s recent agricultural reforms. Her series of posts have helped provoke a backlash from the Indian government and some of its supporters, adding an unexpected wrinkle to India-U.S. relations just as Biden is seeking to engage with the country’s leaders.
“Who Is Dalit Activist Nodeep Kaur Whose Release Meena Harris Is Demanding?,” read one headline in the India Times on Sunday. “The arrest and the alleged torture of Kaur gained attention on Saturday after Meena Harris, the niece of United States Vice President Kamala Harris, tweeted about her,” wrote reporters at Scroll.in.
Meena has seemingly been everywhere in the English-language Indian press in recent days — Times of India, ABP, Hindustan Times, National Herald India, The News Minute, and many more are covering her support for Kaur and the farmers protesting the current government, in a confrontation over agricultural reforms that has been escalating for months. Dozens of protesters have died amid the unrest.
Meena is hardly the only activist weighing in on the protests on social media. And the official position of the State Department is that her postings are immaterial to U.S. policy.
“When it comes to the tweets you referenced, these are private citizens expressing their points of view,” an official told Transition Playbook. “We’ll decline to comment.”
But the Indian press and other news outlets around the globe are taking special note of her comments given her relationship to Vice President Harris — the first Indian-American to rise to such a position of power in American government. When the Indian press cover Meena, they are more likely to identify her as Kamala’s niece rather than as an activist, in her own right.
Meena has been an avid supporter of her aunt’s for years. In turn, she has boosted her own social media clout. Since Election Day, Meena’s following on Twitter has tripled to 671,000. She has more followers than both of Secretary of State TONY BLINKEN’s accounts combined.
And that dynamic is potentially complicating the Biden administration’s efforts to strengthen its relationship with India.
The turbulence began last week when Meena joined activists and artists like GRETA THUNBERG and RIHANNA in declaring solidarity with the recent protests. In an Instagram post on Tuesday that garnered more than 100,000 “likes,” Meena suggested that Modi was one of the world’s “FASCIST DICTATORS” on the rise.
Some in India have celebrated her activism while others denounced it as meddling in the country’s internal affairs. Last Thursday, pro-government protesters burned photographs of Meena, Thunberg and others on the streets of New Delhi. Protestors burn portraits of Meena Harris, niece of U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris, and Greta Thunberg in New Delhi, India, Thursday, Feb. 4, 2021.
Protestors burn portraits of Meena Harris, niece of U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris, and Greta Thunberg in New Delhi, India, Thursday, Feb. 4, 2021. | Dinesh Joshi/AP Photo
On Wednesday, India’s Ministry of External Affairs released a pointed statement condemning “sensationalist social media hashtags and comments, especially when resorted to by celebrities and others.”"
Asked about Meena specifically, an Indian embassy spokesperson in Washington did not respond.
Despite the activist outcry from Meena and others, the Biden State Department did not express objection to the Modi government’s reforms that have sparked the protests. “In general, the United States welcomes steps that would improve the efficiency of India's markets and attract greater private sector investment,” the official said. They declined to elaborate further.
The State Department did, however, implicitly criticize the Indian government’s shutdown of the internet in protest areas, saying access to the internet “is fundamental to the freedom of expression.”
The Biden administration has made a strong relationship with India a key part of its plans to confront China and address global warming. “I think there are many ways in which we can deepen that cooperation to pursue the path that successive administrations have put us on,” Blinken said of India in his confirmation hearing.
President JOE BIDEN also spoke with Modi today, according to the White House. Asked if Meena was discussed, the WH did not respond. Kamala’s office also declined to comment and Meena did not respond to emails seeking comment.
But Meena has publicly signaled she will continue her activism. As she tweeted last week and pinned to the top of her timeline: “I won’t be intimidated, and I won’t be silenced.
You do understand that you dismiss a sitting president who incited an attempted overthrow of our government while trying to claim this is some important issue, right? Even McConnell knows Trump is guilty as sin.
Quote:
McConnell sharply criticized his former ally in a speech on the Senate floor shortly after Trump was cleared in a 57-43 vote, saying the rioters had been "fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on Earth. Because he was angry he'd lost an election." "Former President Trump's actions that preceded the riot were a disgraceful, disgraceful dereliction of duty," added McConnell. "Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day."
So you, as a Trump supporter who wouldn't even call out Putin for putting a bounty on the heads of American troops, suddenly see this as some issue? What exactly is your issue with this again? That we're not trying to interfere with the government of another Continent?
Both are terrorist organizations. The fact you are in denial isn't my problem. As I asked before, exactly what was the point in the article you posted? What is it you find such a problem there?
I mean we just had Moscow Mitch confirm the last POTUS was responsible for inciting a riot at the Capitol Building and you don't care ... so for something to be labelled as a "scandal" it's got to beat that threshold at the bear minimum.
Instead we have a staffer resigning because of improper behavior and someone's sister in a far away country being an activist.
I mean we all expect hypocritical behavior but this is some bat poop crazy stuff you be complaining about.
I've asked him the same question but so far nothing but crickets. This is what happens when people ignore important things and try to focus on trivial matters.
Maybe not a scandal, but trouble for this administration.
This board crucified Donald Trump for four years with negative threads and posts submitted daily. Three weeks into Biden's presidency and any negative postings brings out the name-calling brigade...
Meena Harris creates a headache for Biden with rogue social media diplomacy
by Katherine Doyle, White House Correspondent
Feb 10, 2021
President Biden's foreign policy goals could be complicated by the social media diplomacy of Vice President Kamala Harris's 36-year-old niece.
Meena Harris has been outspoken about relations with India. The Indian press has covered Harris's activism in detail, including her call for the release of a political activist, Nodeep Kaur, and her support for the Indian farmers locked in a bloody confrontation with Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government over agricultural reforms.
A tweet shared by Harris on Monday called Modi's government "a dictatorship" and said he "is endangering the worlds largest democracy."
In a post on Instagram, where Harris has close to 1 million followers, she wrote last week that “FASCIST DICTATORS” were on the rise, suggesting this was the case in India.
Her public comments could complicate U.S. efforts to strengthen ties with India, as Biden pledged to Modi.
One former U.S. diplomat said Harris's activism "will seriously complicate our diplomacy with Delhi."
"It’s inappropriate," said Brett Bruen, the Obama White House's global engagement director.
Confusing matters, the U.S. government has signaled support for Modi's reforms.
"In general, the United States welcomes steps that would improve the efficiency of India's markets and attract greater private sector investment," a State Department official said.
The agency declined to comment on Harris specifically, however, maintaining that her comments are not relevant to U.S. policy.
Bruen said Harris's activism could also pose a security risk.
"Family members weighing in on foreign policy has always been a big no-no," he said, adding it could turn the person into a target for foreign influence operations.
"It creates the impression that they can exert undue influence on the process and also opens up major vulnerabilities for our national security as countries and groups will target them to try and advance their particular policy goals," he added.
The White House did not respond to a request for comment.
Harris, who is of Indian descent and a close relative of the vice president, has drawn unusual attention for her efforts.
A recent tweet shows a counterprotester holding a picture of her face alight in flames.
Biden vowed "close cooperation" in a phone call with Modi on Monday. A readout of the call did not mention the farmers' protests but included a discussion of regional security issues centered around China.
"A shared commitment to democratic values is the bedrock for the U.S.-India relationship," the White House said in a statement about the call.
And one day later, in order "to reaffirm the strength of the U.S.-India partnership," Biden's Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke to India's external affairs minister, Subrahmanyam Jaishankar.
The administration has sought to tamp down speculation about family members profiting off of their ties to the country's highest officeholders.
Biden's son Hunter has come under fire, including for a newly announced book, as have Biden's brothers and his son-in-law, a medical entrepreneur.
Meena Harris has drawn scrutiny over her business and social media activity.
Her company, Phenomenal, sells and markets products that make apparent reference to her most famous family member, and she has published two bestselling books, including one named after her mother Maya and aunt Kamala.
A product collaboration with Beats by Dre gifted to celebrities ahead of the inauguration included a pair of headphones that read "The First But Not The Last" in a nod to the now-vice president.
Though not for sale, these drew attention from Biden transition lawyers, who notified Harris that she could not profit off of her aunt's image, Axios reported at the time.
Harris flew to the presidential inauguration on a private plane owned by a campaign donor, the White House confirmed to Politico.
The White House has sought to rebut criticism of influence-peddling around Biden's own family, issuing ethics guidance and stating last week that Hunter Biden "has been working to unwind his investment" in a Chinese firm.
But curtailing Harris's political activism may prove more difficult since her speech is a First Amendment right.
"I won’t be intimidated, and I won’t be silenced," she tweeted last week.
I'm about as left as you get on this board bro, and I seriously never heard of Meena until you posted these. I know the right is scraping the bottom of the barrell for dirt on the Biden admin, but apparently y'all haven't learned a damn thing... just impeach him so we can laugh and tell you how he is not guilty. Biden could chop heads off on the white house lawn and I wouldn't let him be removed because of how the GOP protected Trump.
I hope Biden sends special forces death squads out to kill Trump's rabble militia army by the thousands so we can exonerate a traitor too.
There is no "problem" for Biden in any of this. See, there is a difference in some never heard of social media poster in India saying things and the president saying things. Trump called everyone names who didn't agree with him, called the media and the opposing party the enemy of the people.
He even convinced you and people like yourself that anything the media told you that disagreed with him was fake news while the part of the media he agreed with fed you full of lies.
Just watching the news and seen a story that Biden has ordered the processing of 25,000 immigrants waiting in Mexico since the Trump administration... hope he sends a few million to each red state.
The guy started a relationship with a reporter, another reporter figured it out. He went ballistic when he learned that it was going to make the news.
It is not the first time or last time that this has happen, and the rough equivalent is Don JR dating the ex Fox reporter.
The second one is even more obscure, a niece of Kamala in India. That does not hit home, but I may have to grab some Billy (Carter) Beer to think about it.
Just watching the news and seen a story that Biden has ordered the processing of 25,000 immigrants waiting in Mexico since the Trump administration... hope he sends a few million to each red state.
You want them, you take them. If I was governor, I would refuse to take them.
Have you seen these people. None are wearing masks on this exodus, yet the Grand Poopa of mask wearing is bringing them in.
Mitch McConnell delayed the trial, then used "timing" as the excuse why he couldn't vote guilty - whilst simultaneously acknowledging Trump was 100% guilty
Oh I know you don't care. You think it's fine for McConnell to manipulate the timeline and use it as an excuse to let trump off the hook for something even he admits trump is guilty of.
You don't care if trump is guilty. You don't care they tried to overturn the elections. You don't care about having a stable democracy, obviously. But most people do. It speaks volumes about you.
Oh I know you don't care. You think it's fine for McConnell to manipulate the timeline and use it as an excuse to let trump off the hook for something even he admits trump is guilty of.
You don't care if trump is guilty. You don't care they tried to overturn the elections. You don't care about having a stable democracy, obviously. But most people do. It speaks volumes about you.
Honestly I don't know anyone well enough on here to know what they really think about politics and the state of the country.... but from posts I have access to, it certainly seems possibly that Peen and a few others like him feel that a more Left government is tantamount to Socialism which they seem to equate to Communism ... and that ANYTHING is better than seeing the country they think they know move towards something they are afraid of / hate /fear.
And yes - having the Capitol Building under siege - an end to the peaceful transition of Power - lying about election security and fraud - all of Trump's lies and hate and division are all worth it if it stops the USA moving towards what they see as something "Unamerican". It won't matter if the majority of the country want what they fear ... they are intransient with their view of what America is and should be - and protecting that at any cost seems to be worth it to them. Turn a blind eye to what is unattractive, hold hypocritical positions where necessary, just don't let the Liberals take control.
I don't want to speak for Peen or anyone else on the board, because I honestly don't know what their thoughts are.
However, I will say that your notion applies to a lot of people, including my mom, and a lot of the older relatives in my family that were raised during the height of the Cold War and the red scare.
Again, I don't know to what extent - if any - that applies to outside of my own family, but I have noticed a visceral, spiteful reaction as soon as Sanders or AOC or any sort of liberal, economic notion is brought up to those people that I know, personally.
I will say, as far as this board goes, I have seen a few responses that refer to "Soviet" or "Communist Russia" which lends me to believe it is still very much engrained, despite the fact that the Soviet construct and the Sanders/AOC styles are apples and oranges.
Now, that being said, I myself align more at my core with the conservative, capitalist approach. I just feel like we have been experiencing such a high level of unbridled, oligarchic capitalism that began with Reagan, that we have gone off the rails to that end.
Which is much of the problem. You see I agree with many of the principals of capitalism. Where the problem begins is with unbridled capitalism. When there are no limits to it. When there are no checks and balances in the way of it being abused.
We saw what happens in the 1930's and before that time. When monopolies ruled. When there were no protection for workers. We overcame that but have gone steadily backwards over the past several decades. It has had a progression of workers rights being undermined. Wages being undermined and excuses for all of that.
Society has a way of seeing corrections made when things get too far out of balance. That's what we're beginning to see now. But never before have we seen a violent insurrection used as an attempt to stop it.
When you point out that the head of the senate actually postponed the date of a senate trial to use that as an excuse not to convict a president and the response you get is, "tell somebody who cares", it goes a very long way in telling you that democracy and the peaceful transfer of power is second to the goals they wish to achieve.
Oh I know you don't care. You think it's fine for McConnell to manipulate the timeline and use it as an excuse to let trump off the hook for something even he admits trump is guilty of.
You don't care if trump is guilty. You don't care they tried to overturn the elections. You don't care about having a stable democracy, obviously. But most people do. It speaks volumes about you.
Honestly I don't know anyone well enough on here to know what they really think about politics and the state of the country.... but from posts I have access to, it certainly seems possibly that Peen and a few others like him feel that a more Left government is tantamount to Socialism which they seem to equate to Communism ... and that ANYTHING is better than seeing the country they think they know move towards something they are afraid of / hate /fear.
And yes - having the Capitol Building under siege - an end to the peaceful transition of Power - lying about election security and fraud - all of Trump's lies and hate and division are all worth it if it stops the USA moving towards what they see as something "Unamerican". It won't matter if the majority of the country want what they fear ... they are intransient with their view of what America is and should be - and protecting that at any cost seems to be worth it to them. Turn a blind eye to what is unattractive, hold hypocritical positions where necessary, just don't let the Liberals take control.
I brought that up to Swish in a PM a week ago. He and his generation fight terrorism. We fought communism.
You and yours are fighting terrorism, now called domestic terrorism. I fight communists.
It is and may very well continue to be the case that self-serving individuals in power will utilize the term "terrorist" or "terrorism" to activate the fear factor in my generation (Xillennial/Millennial), much in the way that "Communism," "Soviet Russia", "USSR," etc. are utilized to activate the fear factor in the Traditional, Boomer and older X generations.
I think it then behooves us to look at the facts to see whether it is our inner fear factor that is driving our reaction, or whether it is objective facts.
In the case of the Capitol, I think you objectively see a group of people that is utilizing violent and forceful means to achieve a political end. I think that would rise to the objective level of terrorism.
On the other hand, I can't objectively see how the policies of many progressives in office rises to the level of communism or something akin to the red scare. As much as I disagree with their policies at times, if an objective parallel can be drawn from Sanders or AOC to the Bolshevik/Stalinist/Maoist regimes, I don't see it.
One of the issues is that people cannot understand the difference between communism and socialism as ideologies and communist and socialist regimes,
Communism as an ideology is beautiful but impractical because of human nature. Communist and socialist regimes are horrific. Because communist and socialist regimes are so evil, communism and socialism as terms get weaponized.
Some will never see it. The hate, the abject evil, the false religion, the demands for conformity, the takeover of lives, even if or when millions get dragged from their homes and tortured, killed, or disappeared.
The same end has occurred many many times, even in just since the start of the 20th centrury 120 years. Stop the holocaust! We don't have to have another holocaust, but the hate, the hate and the feuling of it from the top, I think there is a very dangerous threat that the lies which are propagated, with some false sense of moral being in the right, a might makes right, and a, such a lust for demanding that everyone conform to the lies, these kinds of things don't end well, that is the struggle, the struggle to avoid the next holocaust.
You probably can't draw a parallel on a case by case basis. One has to look at the overall picture. Communism, now cloaked as socialism has infiltrated the colleges and schools where people learn. It has infiltrated Hollywood. It has infiltrated the news media.
Sorry my friend, what more do you need to see? Our government infiltrated as well? That is happening too.
Just look and listen. Now I am a fascist as some people claim. We need deprogramming. What does that mean? To me it means we need the correct program installed.
Media outlets need to be de-platformed. What does that mean? To me it means they need to be censured. You tell me what that means?
Khrushchev was right. We would collapse from with-in. Well, here we are, on the brink of that collapse.
This has nothing to do with the President. I think President Biden is a honorable person. I didn't vote for him, but I have no real qualms about the guy. It's the American people I worry about. Many are as anti-american as it gets.
But, I am a old guy, and know things change. I just worry about this ground shift we are experiencing.
So, in the simple minds of some I will just go back to hoping only I get health care and don't want people to make money...really? LOL
Now Commies disguised as socialists. Coming from those who had Antifa disguised as white supremacists. What’s next out of the wingnuts on the radical far right? Women disguised as men abusing women and children?
The only problem with all of that - other than it being truly scary coming from someone sane and clearly able to think for themselves on many levels - nearly the whole of the Western World, nearly every single first world country, certainly nearly every European country is FAR to the left of where the USA is and where some of it's vocal Democrats want it to be.
Not only that - the "slippery slope", one step leads to another argument doesn't wash. Those countries have remained in the political position they are in for decades. IT IS NOT COMMUNISM. IT DOES NOT LEAD TO COMNUNISM.
Claiming that the system is broken because your views are vilified, while insisting what the "other side" is doing is Communism and taking the country to the brink of collapse? Perfect gaslighting or plain hypocritical - take your pick.
Oh I know you don't care. You think it's fine for McConnell to manipulate the timeline and use it as an excuse to let trump off the hook for something even he admits trump is guilty of.
You don't care if trump is guilty. You don't care they tried to overturn the elections. You don't care about having a stable democracy, obviously. But most people do. It speaks volumes about you.
Honestly I don't know anyone well enough on here to know what they really think about politics and the state of the country.... but from posts I have access to, it certainly seems possibly that Peen and a few others like him feel that a more Left government is tantamount to Socialism which they seem to equate to Communism ... and that ANYTHING is better than seeing the country they think they know move towards something they are afraid of / hate /fear.
And yes - having the Capitol Building under siege - an end to the peaceful transition of Power - lying about election security and fraud - all of Trump's lies and hate and division are all worth it if it stops the USA moving towards what they see as something "Unamerican". It won't matter if the majority of the country want what they fear ... they are intransient with their view of what America is and should be - and protecting that at any cost seems to be worth it to them. Turn a blind eye to what is unattractive, hold hypocritical positions where necessary, just don't let the Liberals take control.
I brought that up to Swish in a PM a week ago. He and his generation fight terrorism. We fought communism.
You and yours are fighting terrorism, now called domestic terrorism. I fight communists.
I gave CNN credit for covering trump and Obama equally. Like it or not, they absolutely covered major issues under Obama like the drones, fast and furious, and Hillary Clinton’s trash ass non stop.
So I’m starting to wonder why Biden isn’t getting that same level of heat that those two got. I mean Biden is catching less heat than freaking Bush jr, and right now, I have way more complaints about Biden out the gate than even him. The softball questions have turned into Johnny manziel post game interview “win or lose, we booze”.
They didn’t treat bush with kid gloves out the gate. They didn’t treat Obama or even trump with kid gloves out the gate. So what makes Biden immune from it?
And then you got Fox News, who I thought was gonna go hard in the paint on Biden at least. But nope; turn them on, and all they’re whining about is what other networks are or aren’t covering. It’s like Fox News is the cable news version of that annoying ass hallway monitor kid that nobody like in elementary school because he kept volunteering to be a snitch.
I don’t even know what MSNBC is like, cause I honestly haven’t turned them on since 2018.
Right now I’m annoyed because even IF the right wing conspiracy that “Harris is the president” had any truth to it, it won’t matter cause Harris is no where to be found either. And let’s be clear; she ain’t no dick Cheney.
COVID bill shouldn’t be taking this long. Republicans are out here clearly on some Highlander nonsense right now, and it’s cold as hell outside.
Bout to have me watching soaps all day like Eve. Apparently she was on to something cause damn....
You probably can't draw a parallel on a case by case basis. One has to look at the overall picture. Communism, now cloaked as socialism has infiltrated the colleges and schools where people learn. It has infiltrated Hollywood. It has infiltrated the news media.
Sorry my friend, what more do you need to see? Our government infiltrated as well? That is happening too.
Just look and listen. Now I am a fascist as some people claim. We need deprogramming. What does that mean? To me it means we need the correct program installed.
Media outlets need to be de-platformed. What does that mean? To me it means they need to be censured. You tell me what that means?
Khrushchev was right. We would collapse from with-in. Well, here we are, on the brink of that collapse.
This has nothing to do with the President. I think President Biden is a honorable person. I didn't vote for him, but I have no real qualms about the guy. It's the American people I worry about. Many are as anti-american as it gets.
But, I am a old guy, and know things change. I just worry about this ground shift we are experiencing.
So, in the simple minds of some I will just go back to hoping only I get health care and don't want people to make money...really? LOL
This post exemplifies my point, Peen.
How has communism cloaked itself as socialism and infiltrated the colleges, schools, Hollywood, and the news media? This is McCarthian.
If it has infiltrated, the infiltrators are sure doing a hell of a bad job because I see a lot of oligopolies and a growing list of billionaires and corporate lobbyists, along with a current minimum wage freeze that has been in place since 2009.
People weren't screaming "communism" when we had pre-Reagan tax brackets, or when FDR instituted the New Deal. You have people out there who are advocating for health care, and point to non-"commie" countries out there like Sweden, Denmark, etc. Now it's fine to disagree with their approaches, as I often do, but it irritates me when I see the "Red Scare" generation viscerally bristle that "here comes communism!" It's a fearful, and simple-minded approach.
But, honestly, if people out there legitimately feel like communism is a threat, rather than going full Joe McCarthy and screaming and pointing fingers at notions they feel are akin to communism, they need to correct the unbridled capitalism that is currently a legitimate problem. You can't call something like universal healthcare a communist notion, while turning a blind eye to guys like Martin Shkrelli.
Kruschev was right that we would collapse from within. It's not a new idea, though. Every hegemon has collapsed from within first, same as the USSR. I don't think we're on the brink. I think that is more fear employment. I do think we're headed that direction, though. I think the amount of good people out there vastly outnumber the bad. The vast majority of people I come across think differently than me, but, at the end of the day just want to do good by them and their families. We are just paying way too much attention to the crazies who have been emboldened over the past 4 years, by both sides.
To your last point, who doesn't hope that people make money? Me? Certainly not, and certainly not our current system, as evidenced by the growing number of billionaires and sole source companies (some of whom I deal with on a daily basis) that gouge our government and tax payers for every last cent. Now, if you're a sole proprietor or small business, yeah, good luck with the way things are.
Quick question - is the Highlander reference because they are trying to chop each other's heads off? I'm just trying to understand. I think that's what you meant, but didn't know if I was missing something.
To your main point, yeah I agree. If I had to guess why CNN is treating Trump with kid gloves, I think it's because Trump called them out individually during much of his presidency. You had never seen Bush or Obama have what appears to be a personal rivalry with a media station the way Trump did. It was kept professional. You saw the banter get hugely personal between McEnany and the CNN reporters during the lame duck period. Even though Trump isn't the President anymore, I still feel like they have this desire to win that rivalry by showing how much better Biden is than Trump.
I still feel like they have this desire to win that rivalry by showing how much better Biden is than Trump.
They invested heavily in the notion that everything would be so much better once Trump was gone.. the rhetoric, hatred, division, lying, incompetence.. it would all go away. They basically created a self-fulfilling prophecy, if they pull everything back and soften all of their reporting, it will appear as if it's all gone away and they will have proven themselves right.
So are you trying to indicate that the oval office under Biden hasn't fulfilled all of that?
I don't know of anyone who claimed that there wasn't nor wouldn't still be a major difference between the parties. Or that everything would be all sunshine and roses in our nation if Biden was elected.
What was claimed is that we wouldn't be seeing the flames of division, name calling and hatred being spewed by our president. And that is certainly true.
Remember that time Trump made fun of Trudeau calling him a weak leader... guess who wasn't on that stage today? The world can breath a little easier now... literally.
This one is a bit of a head scratcher, but since Trump was involved and GOPers are using this to attack Biden, I will need more information (facts not conspiracy theories) about the who what when where and why of it all.
Fish, this post is for you and Throw to celebrate because I voted Biden but don't 100% trust his moves/motives.
I don't feel illegal immigrants need to be here, much less ones who are convicted sex offenders. Seems common sense.
My first thought was we should deport them too, but then who are we pushing the pedos onto? Here they will be in prison... there? I wouldn't want that on my mind. That's why I would like to know what Joe was thinking or if he just did this because of Trump's overall immigration racist BS. I mean who is going to fight to hang onto pedos for any reason other than controlling their prison time? I can't think of any other reason to not deport immediately.
And while we are on the topic of the border, are there still kids in cages Joe?
Send them back to where they came from. That's their problem.
If you want to coddle sex offenders then you need to leave also.
If you are not drinking, and yet thought to attack me with that asinine BS, then we are done. Expletive Expletive Expletive Expletive
You're the same dude that supports AOC faking faux anger at imaginary kids in cages by posting a photoshoot of her posing outside a chainlink parking lot.
When your sanity returns, I will have something more positive to say.
My sanity? You support and represent known domestic terrorists! You're almost sounding like Q tonight, Eve, making almost no sense at all. Sometimes I think you just come in here to fight even when talking to friends.
Oh and your boy is another dolt 45 kool aid drinker. Just an FYI.
Lincoln Project Co-Founder Steve Schmidt Steps Down Amid Scandal
Allison Quinn February 12, 2021
Lincoln Project co-founder Steve Schmidt stepped down from the anti-Trump group on Friday—releasing an explosive statement in which he disclosed he was sexually abused as a teen, raged against a fellow co-founder who stands accused of harassment, and apologized to yet another co-founder for tweeting out her private correspondence with a reporter.
It’s the latest development in a cascade of scandal to rock the organization created by Republican operatives to help stop then-President Trump from being re-elected. (Lincoln Project co-founder Rick Wilson is a Daily Beast columnist and podcast host.)
Schmidt’s resignation comes after a number of figures have already cut ties with the group; after several reports that Lincoln Project leaders knew of allegations against co-founder John Weaver months before they became public in January; and after Schmidt was name-checked in an open letter from ex-employees who said they want to speak out but fear retaliation.
Schmidt opened his statement by revealing that he suffered sexual abuse as a 13-year-old child while attending Boy Scout camp and then offering that experience as the reason he is leaving.
“John Weaver has put me back in that faraway cabin,” he wrote.
Lincoln Project Sinks Deeper Into Turmoil as Ex-Staffers Demand to Speak Freely
As he has done previously, Schmidt again insisted he only learned in January of the allegations against Weaver—a married father of two who has been accused of sending sexually aggressive messages to younger men and one minor, offering to trade sex for professional favors.
“I wish John Weaver was not a co-founder of the Lincoln Project, but as hard as I wish for that to be true, I can’t change that he was,” Schmidt wrote.
“I am incandescently angry about it,” he said of the claims about Weaver. “I am angry because I know the damage that he caused me, and I know the journey that lies ahead for every young man that trusted, feared, and was abused by John Weaver.”
Schmidt also portrayed his stepping-aside as a magnanimous gesture to diversify the organization.
“Presently, the Lincoln Project board is made up of four middle-aged white men. That composition doesn’t reflect our nation, nor our movement. I am resigning my seat on the Lincoln Project board to make room for the appointment of a female board member as the first step to reform and professionalize the Lincoln Project,” he said.
At the same time, Schmidt admitted he had been the one to publicly disseminate a private-message conversation between the project’s female co-founder Jennifer Horn, and a reporter from the news site The 19th, which was working on a story about the Weaver scandal.
That story, published on Friday, said the Weaver allegations were an open secret in group’s Park City office even among junior staff by the November election and were known to senior leadership even earlier. Staff also told the outlet that the founders created a toxic workplace rife with sexist and homophobic language.
Horn stepped down last week over what she described as Weaver’s “grotesque and inappropriate behavior” and “longstanding deceptions.” After her comments, Horn was publicly accused by the group of angling for a $250,000 signing bonus among other perks.
The Lincoln Project’s Twitter account posted a tweet that contained screenshots of a purported Twitter conversation between Horn and 19th reporter Amanda Becker. The tweet—which was later deleted—accused Becker of “preparing to publish a smear job” with Horn as a source.
Schmidt took responsibility for the tweet on Friday: “That direct message should never have been made public. It is my job as the senior leader to accept responsibility for the tremendous misjudgment to release it.”
It depends on which country you’re in. In ours for instance, 65% would be great because on that test, you’re at most going to get a 70%. Even if you get all the questions right.
The White House’s decision to keep Ducklo appears to violate a pledge made by Biden to terminate members of his administration who conduct themselves disrespectfully towards others. In a January 21 video conference, Biden assured staff that his administration will lead with “core American values” and “humility and trust.”
The White House’s decision to keep Ducklo appears to violate a pledge made by Biden to terminate members of his administration who conduct themselves disrespectfully towards others. In a January 21 video conference, Biden assured staff that his administration will lead with “core American values” and “humility and trust.”
OH MY FREAKIN GOOD GOD ... BIDEN MIGHT HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN A GODAMN LIE .... CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THE LIBTARDS WOULD HAVE SAID IF TRUMP WAS CAUGHT LYING ???? HOLY CRAP IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH !!!
The issue I have with something like this - while what Biden said was dumb because it's a standard that he and his administration can't possibly keep .... it pails into comparison with literally any one of Trump's lies. Yes I can be critical of Biden for saying something dumb and I will - but I am also going to point our the enormous hypocrisy of the Trump of Cult posters who want to chastise Biden for something so minor while supporting Trump and all of his steaming horse manure.
Just a general comment (not jumping on your post, it's just a good spot to bring this up), but simply being better than Trump (especially in an area such as general conduct) really isn't going to do it. Biden was elected, in part, because he is and acts like an adult... but that shouldn't be taken to mean anything other than a bare-minimum to sit in the seat. I think (again, especially in the more extreme cases like personal conduct, communication) trying to argue that he's 'better than Trump' hurts his standing more than anything.
Just a general comment (not jumping on your post, it's just a good spot to bring this up), but simply being better than Trump (especially in an area such as general conduct) really isn't going to do it. Biden was elected, in part, because he is and acts like an adult... but that shouldn't be taken to mean anything other than a bare-minimum to sit in the seat. I think (again, especially in the more extreme cases like personal conduct, communication) trying to argue that he's 'better than Trump' hurts his standing more than anything.
I agree mostly - but that's why I wrote I am happy to criticize Biden, but not to the point of ignoring the hypocrisy of posters who defended Trump. To me they should be two different topics/discussions, but they will probably seem blurred in these forums.
There really isn't a fair place to put this and, well He is the "current president" so here goes.
Presidents make holidays, (think about it), and after years of failure to discuss because or ridicule, Bigfoot / Sasquatch has finaly begun to get some proper scientific study. (think about it)
I think, we almost Need a day for observing the phenomon of some mysteriously sighted unknown creature in the forest that's not really there! Because there are literally thousands of sightings in the US. (think about it)
So President Biden, WHAT BETTER DAY, Than February! 29th!! Current president I call on, (Is Biden awake yet?) When he wakes up I call on current president to take the time to, (It'll just take a second) to declare February 29th, National Sasquatch day! (think about it)
And guess what folks, It's tomorrow! (or not, that's why Feb 29th has to be Sasquatch day!) (It's real only once every 4 years)
There really isn't a fair place to put this and, well He is the "current president" so here goes.
Presidents make holidays, (think about it), and after years of failure to discuss because or ridicule, Bigfoot / Sasquatch has finaly begun to get some proper scientific study. (think about it)
I think, we almost Need a day for observing the phenomon of some mysteriously sighted unknown creature in the forest that's not really there! Because there are literally thousands of sightings in the US. (think about it)
So President Biden, WHAT BETTER DAY, Than February! 29th!! Current president I call on, (Is Biden awake yet?) When he wakes up I call on current president to take the time to, (It'll just take a second) to declare February 29th, National Sasquatch day! (think about it)
And guess what folks, It's tomorrow! (or not, that's why Feb 29th has to be Sasquatch day!) (It's real only once every 4 years)
Holy crap. That bot has a blown chip.... Sit down son.
2. Anyone else notice the media seeks to constantly create some specific, special group of people, who no matter how wonderful we are we can only be included in these special groups, sometimes at best.
Yet they will still continue to seek to create some ever more specific special class of individuals, and then they will celebrate that class or tell you to salute them, some way or another, and all it really does is serve to denounce anyone outside of these special classes.
So, I think people need to begin, (if they haven't for the last 35 years), to ask themselves, just what is it, about a media, an establishment, that seeks to continually denigrate anybody who lives inside these great 50 states in the USA.
The Scientific CDC guidelines on behavior of individuals: Concerning that.
In Jesus' time, the scribes and Pharisees were said to have a bunch of detailed laws about how many steps a person could take on the Sabbath day, (and whatnot, other such laws)
and not be in violation,
Well, today, 90% of people still haven't had the full covid vaccine,
But, the CDC wants to say, people who have been vacc- can only gather together with people who have also been fully vacc- (so 90% of Amer. don't fall in that category,)
and they continue, it's only if people are still only from "one" single other household, and it's very pharisee like, I think.
We've come full circle. ( I choose NOT to get involved in sciences' cult of false religion)
It's a shame they can't just do their job and help us out, without trying to demand religious cult following!
Several Republican Senators said he was guilty during round 1 but didn't want to vote him out of office. So to say nothing was proven isn't quite accurate.
I feel pretty strongly about round 2, but I think your argument makes more sense here (at least, given the apparent burden of proof which is so unbelievably high for impeachment).
Just asking,, have we found any PROVEN scandals yet?
Politics isn't like a court of law. You don't have to prove anything. All you have to do is stir things up and make accusations.
Nothing was proven against the former President, yet he was impeached twice.
And daman, I am not putting you down or anything like that with my comment. I am simply making a comment.
LOL,, Yeah the former president wasn't found guilty in the senate, but the absolute proof was there for all to see. Its just that republican senators lost their spine and voted to not convict him.
So, back to my question, has there been any proof of any scandal?
Only that Biden still appears a puppet, and who can say who is really in charge.
Actually on Trump, it's most interesting that of the 3 on here that want to claim him guilty, none of them have yet even named the crime.
Rush was right, it was an impeachment without a crime.
( I opened this topic to come on here and talk about, ) >
The establishment looks like they are planning the workings of elections and scandals and are puling the stings, so I wonder, how many years into the future do they have all the elections and general goings on, pre planned.
German Shepherd are the best, I've owned several, and if he bit somebody they probably deserved it or were just horrible human beings and the dog knew. I would like to know who got bit... Cruz, Hawley, McConnell, Manchin, or Biden's chief of staff... They are all bite worthy IMHO.
If you think about it, the dogs went from a place with relatively few people showing up in a day to a different environment with all sorts of people who you are unfamiliar with.
I read one of the articles, and they have 2 dogs. One is an older dog... super mellow and in need of a younger companion to encourage it to keep active.
The younger one was the offending pup in this instance. It was mentioned that it seems to be a little on the anxious side, and this was no doubt exacerbated by the upheaval in its living situation. I'm glad that they're able work it so that they can keep the dog.
If you think about it, the dogs went from a place with relatively few people showing up in a day to a different environment with all sorts of people who you are unfamiliar with.
And that was the explanation I heard. I have no idea of the validity of that but that seems to be the standard line being given.
President Biden's Dog Trainer White House Too Stressful For Pups ... But I'll Get Major Up To Speed
If you think about it, the dogs went from a place with relatively few people showing up in a day to a different environment with all sorts of people who you are unfamiliar with.
Correct.
Also, Major (the biting dog) was adopted about 2 1/2 years ago from a shelter. None of us, and possibly no one, knows what environment he came from over 2 1/2 years ago.
(I can only imagine the uproar had this been the previous presidents dog though.)
Male GSs are idiots until about 3 yrs old too. That's when they seem to get wise. Any number of things can trigger a bite from them. If they didn't like the way somebody approached one of the Bidens, it could trigger it. They probably smelled Trump on the agents suit... lol
If you think about it, the dogs went from a place with relatively few people showing up in a day to a different environment with all sorts of people who you are unfamiliar with.
He is also a shelter rescue.
We've raised shelter rescues all our adult lives. They require extra attention because of the living conditions early in their lives. They can be fantastic companions, but they need close attention when navigating new and different situations. I could easily see something like: the agent approaches POTUS in the commission of his job. Dog is taken by surprise. Dog does what dogs do (to strangers).
This kind of thing can be worked out. Dog needs to be re-trained for his new life. 6 weeks with a professional= good dog.
Just asking,, have we found any PROVEN scandals yet?
Hitler didn't have any scandals either, in 1939.
I think, though it's tough, real thinking individuals have to come to grips with the fact we live in a time very hostile to freedom.
Freedom of thought, Freedom of religion, Freedom of movement, Freedom to speak out, Freedom to gather, Freedom to live and conduct commerce.
A time very Hostile to these. Unless, Unless one complys with the party of hostility, the establishment, whether that comes from China, or The trillionaires interest, or whomever is running the narrative, the narrative of celebrating the special classes and hating Christianity,
Today it is, 'take your vaccine'. Sit down, shut up, take your vaccine, comply or die. That's today. Tomorrow? It could be anything, (this cult, of science and secular humanism, False idol of Not acknowledging the Almighty, may demand anything, including death)
Because they don't believe rights come from God, neither do they fear God, if they don't believe, and instead practice atheism. They think rights, (your rights) come from them, therefore, believeing the lie of their errored education gives them power over you, They will demand your ever more taking a bow, ever more taking a knee, to their demands,
even if it means taking the mark of the beast.
I don't know how there can be a bigger scandal than that. Now, is it from Biden? It depends, because, again, Biden is just a puppet, I believe, and we don't know who, or how many, are pulling the strings, Biden is a spokesperson, like Ronald Macdonald,
But then, maybe all presidents have been, all presidents, of the establishment anyways.
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg (I can only imagine the uproar had this been the previous presidents dog though.)
.....when Trump didn't and doesn't even own a dog. Nor did he have any character or scruples. Since those two things are facts, it really wasn't an argument.
I don't think I'm the only one to think, I'd be more likely to get a vaccine if Joe Biden said it wasn't necessary.
After the events of Nov. 3rd 2020, and Biden's comments after the election, akin to, (let the process, I'll win the election 3 weeks from now), and all those lies,
Then we can't believe anything Joe Biden says.
I support Biden never having a press conference, the less he does, the better off we all are.
Sadly, that goes a long way on the more extreme end of the Trumpian spectrum.
The thing that irks me the most about him recently is how he "quietly" received the vaccine. Every living president I believe, except for him, has championed their receipt of the vaccine.
If he did the same, I bet a bunch of his supporters who don't want to receive the vaccine would change their tune. He has to keep on with the same garbage, though.
So you don't base whether you need a vaccine based on over 500,000 deaths, but rather on who says you should get one.
He’ll also be the first to remind us (falsely) that if it weren’t for trump we’d not have a vaccine. So it’s ONLY because of his guy we have it... but he won’t take his guy’s vaccine... because Biden. Talk about mental gymnastics?!
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg (I can only imagine the uproar had this been the previous presidents dog though.)
.....when Trump didn't and doesn't even own a dog. Nor did he have any character or scruples. Since those two things are facts, it really wasn't an argument.
Perhaps for some people I should have SPECIFIED: I can only imagine the uproar had the previous president owned/had a dog, and this happened.
Most people understood exactly what I meant. 1 didn't.
That makes so much more sense. Words have meaning. I find it pretty odd that you, who likes to point out my spelling errors every time you spot one, are now making excuses for your lack of improper phrasing. But I'm not surprised by it.
Just as I pointed out you weren't clear in your response. Sometimes things come full circle. You do realize that posters often times use "to" where they should have used "too" and you never point that out, right? They often times use "there" when they should have used "their" and you never point that out.
What you were doing was obvious. You selected me to focus on in those things. Just like I did you.
Grasping it wasn't an issue with me. Having fun with it was. Seeing you continue with it is fun "too".
Last word arch. The one who complains about someone trying to get in the last word while he tries to get in the last word.
All anyone has to do is look down the list of threads in this forum to see that many other posters get in the last word on other threads besides me to see how lame his claim is.
But watch, he'll respond again and prove my point.
I think, though it's tough, real thinking individuals have to come to grips with the fact we live in a time very hostile to freedom.
I agree, Can you imagine a state where the Governor lifts the Mask Mandate, then has a city that says, no we aren't ready to lift it in our city, then to be sued by the State AG for not following along..
So you don't base whether you need a vaccine based on over 500,000 deaths, but rather on who says you should get one.
I'm just now reading your reply.
If you'll come into this discussion knowing that I think, and I am coming into it from a place that Biden is a known liar based on the lie of the election results, and his comments indicating he'd know the falsifying of election results would play out, to put the election in his favor, over the course of several days to a couple of weeks, Comments he made a day or two after the election.
So, my explanation, if a "who says you should get one" is a known liar, in my book, and can't be trusted about the election, then he can't be trusted about a vaccine.
So you don't base whether you need a vaccine based on over 500,000 deaths, but rather on who says you should get one.
I'm just now reading your reply.
If you'll come into this discussion knowing that I think, and I am coming into it from a place that Biden is a known liar based on the lie of the election results, and his comments indicating he'd know the falsifying of election results would play out, to put the election in his favor, over the course of several days to a couple of weeks, Comments he made a day or two after the election.
So, my explanation, if a "who says you should get one" is a known liar, in my book, and can't be trusted about the election, then he can't be trusted about a vaccine.
But isn’t it ‘trump’s’ vaccine. I mean you’ve come on here saying if not for donny we’d not even have the vaccine. But you won’t take the ‘trump’ vaccine because of Biden now? Man your brain must hurt navigating your labyrinth of opposing views.
The thing that irks me the most about him recently is how he "quietly" received the vaccine. Every living president I believe, except for him, has championed their receipt of the vaccine.
If he did the same, I bet a bunch of his supporters who don't want to receive the vaccine would change their tune.
I'm Sure he would have Loudly Tweeted, (probably live tweeted) his receiving of the vaccine); so with his account suspended, being irked that he quietly ... is asking to have it both ways.
You can't have it both ways; everybdody knows that.
The thing that irks me the most about him recently is how he "quietly" received the vaccine. Every living president I believe, except for him, has championed their receipt of the vaccine.
If he did the same, I bet a bunch of his supporters who don't want to receive the vaccine would change their tune.
I'm Sure he would have Loudly Tweeted, (probably live tweeted) his receiving of the vaccine); so with his account suspended, being irked that he quietly ... is asking to have it both ways.
You can't have it both ways; everybdody knows that.
He’s a former president. If he wanted a platform he could have called Faux ‘news’, or Tucker, or Hannity and blathered on about taking ‘his’ vaccine. He’s a crap human and a worse leader. So he took it silently and kept his followers frothing and science denying.
So you don't base whether you need a vaccine based on over 500,000 deaths, but rather on who says you should get one.
I'm just now reading your reply.
If you'll come into this discussion knowing that I think, and I am coming into it from a place that Biden is a known liar based on the lie of the election results, and his comments indicating he'd know the falsifying of election results would play out, to put the election in his favor, over the course of several days to a couple of weeks, Comments he made a day or two after the election.
So, my explanation, if a "who says you should get one" is a known liar, in my book, and can't be trusted about the election, then he can't be trusted about a vaccine.
Despite zero evidence and "every court in the land" dismissing the idea that the election was stolen ... despite Trump's on election Tzar proclaiming it the safest election the USA has ever run .... we still have crazies who are so ingrained in the Trump of Cult that they believe Trump's lies. Nothing you can do to change that - they'll go to their grave in ignorance rather than seek the truth.
Eric Trump @EricTrump · Nov 30, 2020 Biden lost 212 more counties than Obama did in 2012 (Biden won 477 counties vs Obama who won 689), yet Biden magically gained 13 million more votes than Obama... please... #RiggedElection
Eric Trump @EricTrump · Nov 30, 2020 Biden lost 212 more counties than Obama did in 2012 (Biden won 477 counties vs Obama who won 689), yet Biden magically gained 13 million more votes than Obama... please... #RiggedElection
Lol you’re quoting Eric Trump as proof of anything. ROTFLMAO
Eric Trump @EricTrump · Nov 30, 2020 Biden lost 212 more counties than Obama did in 2012 (Biden won 477 counties vs Obama who won 689), yet Biden magically gained 13 million more votes than Obama... please... #RiggedElection
Lol you’re quoting Eric Trump as proof of anything. ROTFLMAO
Beyond that, it's like the whole idea of voter turnout doesn't even exist.
Eric Trump @EricTrump · Nov 30, 2020 Biden lost 212 more counties than Obama did in 2012 (Biden won 477 counties vs Obama who won 689), yet Biden magically gained 13 million more votes than Obama... please... #RiggedElection
Pretzel Logic for sure. 1) People determine the winner, not counties. 2) There were a lot more people that voted in 2020 as a whole.
The per-functionary comment about liars and statistics...
Wrong. The sane amongst those 74 million have accepted their defeat.
Proof/link?
74 million people voted for Trump. That is not representative of the amount of people who think the election is stolen. People who vote for a losing politician don't automatically assume the election was stolen.
Eric Trump @EricTrump · Nov 30, 2020 Biden lost 212 more counties than Obama did in 2012 (Biden won 477 counties vs Obama who won 689), yet Biden magically gained 13 million more votes than Obama... please... #RiggedElection
The least you can do is quote someone with cred.... Eric Trump is a shill for his dad..
Eric Trump @EricTrump · Nov 30, 2020 Biden lost 212 more counties than Obama did in 2012 (Biden won 477 counties vs Obama who won 689), yet Biden magically gained 13 million more votes than Obama... please... #RiggedElection
With a dismal horrible 38% approval rating, worse than any other president ever, trump gained 10 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016....please.... #biglie.
Eric Trump @EricTrump · Nov 30, 2020 Biden lost 212 more counties than Obama did in 2012 (Biden won 477 counties vs Obama who won 689), yet Biden magically gained 13 million more votes than Obama... please... #RiggedElection
Pretzel Logic for sure. 1) People determine the winner, not counties. 2) There were a lot more people that voted in 2020 as a whole.
The per-functionary comment about liars and statistics...
Neither Donald or Eric actually believe the Election was stolen - that's just a "story" to put out there to rile the Cult of Trump. . . . only true morons could even begin to believe those lies, but there are fools out there that would rather believe the words of a known pathological liar than the legal process of the land and other Republicans that were in charge of the various processes that lead to the Biden win.
Even the Republican election officials in the red states admit Biden won and the election wasn't stolen. Courts on every level across the United states rebuked every challenge to the election results. The only people holding on to that fable are blind followers who will believe anything Trump tells them.
Trump is the one who tried to steal the election. We actually heard it on tape. He told Georgia election officials to "find votes" that weren't there.
And some of his supporters were willing to install a fascist dictator over democracy. They are the enemy of The United States.
Even the Republican election officials in the red states admit Biden won and the election wasn't stolen. Courts on every level across the United states rebuked every challenge to the election results. The only people holding on to that fable are blind followers who will believe anything Trump tells them.
Trump is the one who tried to steal the election. We actually heard it on tape. He told Georgia election officials to "find votes" that weren't there.
And some of his supporters were willing to install a fascist dictator over democracy. They are the enemy of The United States.
I think everything you just wrote is 100% correct.. I agree with you.
Trump is the one who tried to steal the election. We actually heard it on tape. He told Georgia election officials to "find votes" that weren't there.
But did he actually say that? The original report by the Washington Post (and their one source reporting) had to be corrected because the Wall Street Journal published the phone call. From the transcripts I read he didn't say what you say he did.
I only quoted part of your post because I don't disagree with the rest of it.
There are two phone calls. One recorded and played by news media a couple months ago. . . . Then a second call was discovered. That 2nd call wasn't supposed to have been recorded. So when the wsj or whichever publication did the article on the second call they were going off reporting/interviews with the participants. A recording of that call was later discovered. The correction by the media it's as over the exact wording of what Trump said. Not what the inference was.
Also in the First call that was publicly aired by the GA lawyer who recorded it, trump very definitely said 'just find me XXX number of votes" and the number happened to be the exact never for him to overturn the result.
There is the entire phone call. Yes, he said it. He certainly also applied pressure on them including future criminal charges against them if they didn't. It's all there in Trump's own words.
I'm not sure what you would call an insurrection spurred on by the saying "Stop the steal" other than an attempt to overthrow a fair election. And if that's true I have no idea what you would call the people involved besides the enemy to The United States.
I mean I guess you can make excuses because they believed that lie. But many people throughout history have tried to overthrow governments based on falsehoods. That doesn't change the reality of their actions.
Thanks for the info. I didn't know about a second call. Not sure why you went on a diatribe about insurrection when I said I agreed with the rest of your post?
The US... seeks talks, to "re-enter" nuclear deal with Iran.
( If it wasn't so preposterous and sad it would be funny, )
1. There ain't no way, Iran ain't doing everything it can to get nuclear weapons, it's preposterous to think otherwise.
2. In light of this, President Donald Trump,... withdrew the USA out of a disadvantageous agreement with iran to limit some nuclear stuff probably, back in some previous year. (the disadvantageous agreement originally started by some democrat probably)
So, now, Today, Biden wants to go ask the iran-ees, if they'll give permission for the USA to go back to cow towing and not pursuing the US's own nuclear interests so the US
can sit back and watch Iran continue to do all it can to gain nuclear weapons.
( It would be like Burger King going back to ask permission from macdonalds if it's alright to stop selling whoppers again, )
Seriously, Could he be more weak!
Biden is the president? No?
Could He be more Weak! What is he going... to ask?
For a fluff movie of fake UN inspectors touring a site while escorted?
Biden is going to the bully to say, I know I already give you my lunch money, but is it ok for me to stop packing a paper bag that was hidden till after you leave?
I'm pretty sure I just heard Joe Biden's own words, " it's a tough decision for any corporation to make" (because it hurts hourly job holders in Georgia, to move things out of Georgia, (wrongfully) but biden.. " but I respect whatever decision they make".
So pretty sure I just heard Biden say he will bow down to executives of Coca colar or Major League Baseball.
Great to know, you democrat voters sought such a commander in chief of your armed forces that he even Bows to domestic corporations.
What a world
... Bidens' US southern border secretary (Mayorka?), says We need to fix gaps, / keep building Trumps wall.
My guess, is after 3.5 years of seeing what progress looks like, going back to rolling over and playing opossum on the southern border wasn't very much fun for the locals who have to actually carry it out.
I'm pretty sure I just heard Joe Biden's own words, " it's a tough decision for any corporation to make" (because it hurts hourly job holders in Georgia, to move things out of Georgia, (wrongfully) but biden.. " but I respect whatever decision they make".
So pretty sure I just heard Biden say he will bow down to executives of Coca colar or Major League Baseball.
Great to know, you democrat voters sought such a commander in chief of your armed forces that he even Bows to domestic corporations.
What a world
... Bidens' US southern border secretary (Mayorka?), says We need to fix gaps, / keep building Trumps wall.
My guess, is after 3.5 years of seeing what progress looks like, going back to rolling over and playing opossum on the southern border wasn't very much fun for the locals who have to actually carry it out.
Don't fool yourself into thinking the GA GOPers aren't reeling from these businesses responding the way they have. It looks much worse for them than any dem and they damn well deserve it for this BS legislation.
I'm pretty sure I just heard Joe Biden's own words, " it's a tough decision for any corporation to make" (because it hurts hourly job holders in Georgia, to move things out of Georgia, (wrongfully) but biden.. " but I respect whatever decision they make".
So pretty sure I just heard Biden say he will bow down to executives of Coca colar or Major League Baseball.
Great to know, you democrat voters sought such a commander in chief of your armed forces that he even Bows to domestic corporations.
What a world
... Bidens' US southern border secretary (Mayorka?), says We need to fix gaps, / keep building Trumps wall.
My guess, is after 3.5 years of seeing what progress looks like, going back to rolling over and playing opossum on the southern border wasn't very much fun for the locals who have to actually carry it out.
Don't fool yourself into thinking the GA GOPers aren't reeling from these businesses responding the way they have. It looks much worse for them than any dem and they damn well deserve it for this BS legislation.
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that THROW will understand this. ... Or that THROW (40 is that you?) isn’t just trolling with his inane nonsense.
If he had done the opposite, you'd be accusing him of Communism.
You beat me to it. Throw clearly wants the USA to be a Trumpian Dictatorship where Govt dictates to private practice what it can and can't do. No regulations just government oversight and control.
That's awful if true and Biden should get to the bottom of it asap. That said, when similar allegations were made under 45, I don't recall Fox having a similar headline... But go ahead and drink that commie red kool aid.
Fox didn't have a similar headline because nothing similar happened.
Trump had an actual border policy, unlike Biden. All Biden has is Harris who thinks the whole thing is funny. SHAME.
It did happen under Trump too, and there were reports of forced hysterectomies as well.
Both cases need investigated. Doesn't matter who the President is.
Come now.....you know It matters.
I'm saying morally, it shouldn't matter who the President is when stuff like this happens. I know people make it matter. But it should be investigated either way.
Fox didn't have a similar headline because nothing similar happened.
Trump had an actual border policy, unlike Biden. All Biden has is Harris who thinks the whole thing is funny. SHAME.
It did happen under Trump too, and there were reports of forced hysterectomies as well.
Both cases need investigated. Doesn't matter who the President is.
Come now.....you know It matters.
I'm saying morally, it shouldn't matter who the President is when stuff like this happens. I know people make it matter. But it should be investigated either way.
In a perfect world it would be. Not the current situation. These kind of Investigations are called for in the political arena and not our judicial system.
Let's talk vaccine for covid, and let's talk recollection.
I recall, Trump fast tracked the Vaccine development, at least for this purpose, it was the USA, not Euros.
First Vaccine, made available, Moderna.
2nd one, Pfizer, and somewhere in between them or just after Pfizer, the Euros made Astra zenaca avail.
NOw, When only Moderna was available, (Developed in the USA by the way, Who was the very first person on TV to get a shot????
Some old lady in England, just a person, not a Queen or anything, but nevertheless, somebody from the other hemisphere (I know,), but not even an American.
Now, Recollect this too. Biden comes in and we all know Biden is a -- just a figure head for the international business oligarchy, and-- the proof is in the pudding
I mean, C'mon folks, Nobody puts America First when Biden can help the Britt's or some international communitys' interests, again and again, case in point,
back on track, the EUROS' had astra zenaca vaccine, and all of sudden, 6 weeks ago, maybe 7
6 weeks ago, maybe 7, There were, 3 vaccines in the USA and One for the Euros, BUT!
The Euros' got all, "blood clots caused by the astra zenaca.'
So what happens, within, and at that time, there wasn't ONE WORD, not one word in the news of the astra Zenaca being used anywhere in the USA.
So, Within 10 days, of the Blood clots first being reported in the Euros' vaccine, Astra Zenaca, All of a sudden,
You start hearing there are AZ vaccines in the USA, and the whole lot of Euro countries have stopped using the Astra Zenaca.
SO THEY SENT THE POSIONOUS VACCINE OVER TO THE USA, BECAUSE, BIDEN AIN'T GOING TO STOP THEM, BECAUSE HE AIN'T GOING TO PUT AMERICA FIRST!
And Then, All a sudden, two weeks later, (which equals- earlier this week)
They say, Oh, We have to stop the Johnson-Johnson in the USA, because... (drumroll)
It got """" mixed up""" in Baltimore no doubt, because , just "conveniently" they had a manufacturer of both AZ and Johnson and Johnaons vaccine in the same facility.
That ain't what happened folks. This is what I think really happened. (They found out the AZ vaccine was poison, or caused blood clots potentially, so they shipped it all over to the USA, (because the USA has no say so, because a biden admin, is all a shill for the international community)
and on the way back, they took all the Johnson and Johnson to go use over in Europe!
And at least 3 of the 4 vaccines were developed in the USA, and Biden and the Democrats can't even keep America first enough to make sure Americans get the vaccine, and instead give it to the Euros'
Who didn't even want it, until they, their Astra Zenaca vaccine couldn't even work, because of blood clots.
So this is a Major Scandal for Biden and the Democrats, that they can't even keep America to hold onto it's own stuff.
First they stole the election, Now they stole the vaccine, and they want to shove the dangerous vaccine onto the Americans,
I only read about half your post, but here's what I have.
Astra Zenica's vaccine has not (and probably will not) be authorized for emergency use in the US. The AZ vaccine can't be distributed here. The reason for this is because they goofed up the clinical trials they were running to justify emergency use. They had to do some statistical gymnastics to get to their efficacy % because their data was jumbled.
Other countries regulated pharmaceuticals how they want, and some did authorize the AZ vaccine. There have been some side effects (don't remember what), and much like the JnJ vaccine recently, some countries have suspended its distribution.
The JnJ vaccine is the one causing blood clots here, not AZ.
You say, " The Astra Zenaca can't be distributed here"
(difference btween can and may) may is permission, can is, it a physical possibility.
Mabye you weren't following the news, I wasn't much, just caught a glimpse here and there.
look, If we don't catch the news the first time it's reported it won't be there because, they'll change it! they'll change it to make it fit whatever lie they want.
but here were the things, in succession in time. 0.5 - There is vaccine usage of 3 kinds in the USA and Astra Zeneca is a 4th brand and is used outside the USA. 1. AZ vaccine causes blood clots in Europe. 2. Germany and 1 other country halt Az because of that 3. a week goes by 3b. half way through the week the AZ vaccine is lumped in in talking points about vaccines being used in the USA.
4. another half week goes by and then there is talk about blood clots from vaccines in the US. (Johnson and Johnson I think)
5. There is a report, just conviently thrown in, that they have to stop J and J vaccines, because, they previously got them mixed up, with, (mislabeled whatever) with the Ast. Zen. vaccine stockpiles, in a factory in Baltimore, and now had to "throw them all away"
(6. All of a sudden there is a report of the J and J vaccines being used in Europe. (Maybe they got thrown away into a trash bin that tranformers's into a shipping container that takes them to Europe?)
7. We can conclude since J and J had a weeks long experience in the USA and all the vaccines did and none of them had blood clot problems until the Aztra Zenaca one first did and then the blood clot problem all of a sudden shows up for the first time in the USA, and then after the fact
after the fact, ( to CYA) Cover your A) to cover somebodys' decision, ... (maybe- "well if anybody gets hurt we'll just say we got em mixed up)
So!... ... ...
Even though the AZ vaccine probably ain't got approval here, I think it probably got used here. (in the US.)
... they broke their vaccine and tried to shove it off on us.
You have no idea how FDA-regulated industries work. If a company's product is found to be in the possession of a potential patient before it's released or authorized, that company would get ANNIHLATED by the federal govt.
1,2. They don't know definitively about the blood clots. There's reason enough to pause, but not end, distribution of the vaccine. It could be a certain combination of things that is causing these rare blood clots.
3b. I don't know what you're talking about here. Just because "people" are talking about AZ (one of 4 potential vaccines), means there's a nefarious link?
4. JnJ and AZ are similarly developed vaccines. They use a weakened type of virus (adenovirus?) in order to make their vaccine. I believe this is similar/same to the vast majority of vaccines that are commonly used today. Pfizer and Moderna use a newer type of method that involves mRNA. If AZ and JnJ use the same sort of process and similar/same base ingredients, it makes perfect sense that there would be similar side effects.
5. For someone who psychotically rails against MSM, it's hilarious that you're taking reports from the NYT and Post at face value. The manufacturer of the compromised AZ batch of vaccine disputed the reports that they mixed up ingredients. They said that ingredients were found to be outside of spec and they quarantined the affected batch(es). This is an unfortunate but common occurrence in pharma and med device (in-house failures and voluntary recalls).
6. Each and every country want to get their hands on as much of the available vaccines as possible. As such, portions of vaccines made here are exported.
7. You can't conclude anything, and no sane person would conclude what you just did. AZ completed their clinical trial and started distributing about a month or two before JnJ. They didn't get approved here in the US, but JnJ did. It's not that hard to figure out.
""Lindsey Graham Says Biden Created 'Instability' Amid Afghanistan Withdrawal, Border Issue""
LMAO.... I can't remember off the top of my head, but what did Graham say when - against ALL advice from his US military - he unilaterally and overnight withdrew from Syria? Remember the one? That lead to mass slaughter?
Let's talk vaccine for covid, and let's talk recollection.
I recall, Trump fast tracked the Vaccine development, at least for this purpose, it was the USA, not Euros.
First Vaccine, made available, Moderna.
2nd one, Pfizer, and somewhere in between them or just after Pfizer, the Euros made Astra zenaca avail.
NOw, When only Moderna was available, (Developed in the USA by the way, Who was the very first person on TV to get a shot????
Some old lady in England, just a person, not a Queen or anything, but nevertheless, somebody from the other hemisphere (I know,), but not even an American.
Now, Recollect this too. Biden comes in and we all know Biden is a -- just a figure head for the international business oligarchy, and-- the proof is in the pudding
I mean, C'mon folks, Nobody puts America First when Biden can help the Britt's or some international communitys' interests, again and again, case in point,
back on track, the EUROS' had astra zenaca vaccine, and all of sudden, 6 weeks ago, maybe 7
6 weeks ago, maybe 7, There were, 3 vaccines in the USA and One for the Euros, BUT!
The Euros' got all, "blood clots caused by the astra zenaca.'
So what happens, within, and at that time, there wasn't ONE WORD, not one word in the news of the astra Zenaca being used anywhere in the USA.
So, Within 10 days, of the Blood clots first being reported in the Euros' vaccine, Astra Zenaca, All of a sudden,
You start hearing there are AZ vaccines in the USA, and the whole lot of Euro countries have stopped using the Astra Zenaca.
SO THEY SENT THE POSIONOUS VACCINE OVER TO THE USA, BECAUSE, BIDEN AIN'T GOING TO STOP THEM, BECAUSE HE AIN'T GOING TO PUT AMERICA FIRST!
And Then, All a sudden, two weeks later, (which equals- earlier this week)
They say, Oh, We have to stop the Johnson-Johnson in the USA, because... (drumroll)
It got """" mixed up""" in Baltimore no doubt, because , just "conveniently" they had a manufacturer of both AZ and Johnson and Johnaons vaccine in the same facility.
That ain't what happened folks. This is what I think really happened. (They found out the AZ vaccine was poison, or caused blood clots potentially, so they shipped it all over to the USA, (because the USA has no say so, because a biden admin, is all a shill for the international community)
and on the way back, they took all the Johnson and Johnson to go use over in Europe!
And at least 3 of the 4 vaccines were developed in the USA, and Biden and the Democrats can't even keep America first enough to make sure Americans get the vaccine, and instead give it to the Euros'
Who didn't even want it, until they, their Astra Zenaca vaccine couldn't even work, because of blood clots.
So this is a Major Scandal for Biden and the Democrats, that they can't even keep America to hold onto it's own stuff.
First they stole the election, Now they stole the vaccine, and they want to shove the dangerous vaccine onto the Americans,
Were rotationaly vortexed on an inclined plane.
So it turns out I was Right ^.
Tonight, 1/2 hour ago, News Report, the Europeans are set to approved and use the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.
Well, lah tee dah.. guess it takes about 1 week for a ship, to get across the atlantic, like it was planned all along.
What it means? It means the Democrats, controlled by the Russians, or Brittians, or whomever that doesn't put America first, Like Trump would have,...
the Americans have been used as guinea pigs, given the blood clotting astra zennaca vaccine that the Euros' broke, or couldn't make right, and given that, under the guise of saying they were "mixed up",
while all of a sudden, all the good John, and Johnson vaccine in America (which is the only one that doesn't turn your DNA into a reptellian alien allegedly imo)
Gets given to the Europeans, and here in the USA where they built the vaccine, were still SoL, screwed.
Throw, those companies are pumping out way more doses than we can administer due to logistical, personel, and storage conditions. I read somewhere that they are making several million doses a day and not yet at full production. I'm sure between the three approved here that creates a big surplus. Additionally, other countries produce vaccines too, rather they are production plants for one of these companies or not, they have the ability. And the biggest reason we are not flooding the world with these is that the companies that developed them are protecting their intellectual property out of a position of greedy capitalism instead of open sourcing the production. And even with all of that the US is the most vaccinated in the world. And a lot of idiots won't take it when offered.
Finally, you would be extremely foolish to truly believe Trump loves America and would put America fist in any situation. We are talking about a man that attempted a coup d'etat to keep himself in office, constantly divided Americans, and intentionally labeled half the country and the fourth estate as enemies of the state. So, that part of your post couldn't be more wrong and laughable.
It’s like THROW eats peyote and then some alphabet soup. The peyote induces vomiting. Whatever he ‘sees’ in the soup’s letters he’s vomited forth he writes down and uses as a post. It a mix of drug induced fever dream and random letters put together to appear as thoughts. But the only thing that would think like that is a reptilian alien on peyote.
My understanding is that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are the 'newer' types, and so manufacturing and distribution still have room for improvement and scaling up.
JnJ and AZ, on the other hand, are the traditional type of vaccine are better equipped to 'hit the ground running' in terms of capacity.
It’s like THROW eats peyote and then some alphabet soup.
He was right, they do attack the person when they can't disprove the argument. Well I've rarely been in agreement with the delusions of mass majorities caught up in the moment. I'm naturally skeptical of what they insist the masses must think.
It's necessary. I walk around Disney World looking for reasons to be unhappy, it's necessary, (something is up) nobody is supposed to be this happy just because they are around some fantasy mouse pseudo world, (Sure you appreciate it for what it's worth, but, always keep one eye open, always be skeptical, (unless you're 4 years old, a-hahahaha!) you can never believe what they told you, there is always a catch
especially, Especially, if everybody is thinking the same way.
In Short, the masses are constantly in a state of Duped, or crazed- group think- hysteria.
(Ask yourself.)
How many times has maybe the, news media, tried to control your emotions, or how you think, in, oh,
let's say even the last 24 hours?
(Ehhhh! It's easier to call me crazy than... your entire belief system. Oh my Lord!
First you would have to have some validity to what you're saying for anyone to disprove it. You almost always fall well short of that. The object is for you to prove or at least find a legitimate basis for your claim before you can call out others.
Talking of Biden - I actually really truly appreciated his words after the Guilty verdict yesterday. To me he sounded sincere, compassionate and empathetic.
It’s like THROW eats peyote and then some alphabet soup.
He was right, they do attack the person when they can't disprove the argument. Well I've rarely been in agreement with the delusions of mass majorities caught up in the moment. I'm naturally skeptical of what they insist the masses must think.
It's necessary. I walk around Disney World looking for reasons to be unhappy, it's necessary, (something is up) nobody is supposed to be this happy just because they are around some fantasy mouse pseudo world, (Sure you appreciate it for what it's worth, but, always keep one eye open, always be skeptical, (unless you're 4 years old, a-hahahaha!) you can never believe what they told you, there is always a catch
especially, Especially, if everybody is thinking the same way.
In Short, the masses are constantly in a state of Duped, or crazed- group think- hysteria.
(Ask yourself.)
How many times has maybe the, news media, tried to control your emotions, or how you think, in, oh,
let's say even the last 24 hours?
(Ehhhh! It's easier to call me crazy than... your entire belief system. Oh my Lord!
Ha,, you are funny.. I mean really funny..
I had a guy tell me that He would never take the vaccine because they put tiny little robots in it that the government can use to track you.... The damn fool was sitting there holding an Iphone.... Yikes
By the way if you are the one that is alleging that there is something wrong with the vaccine and the entire medical and scientific world is saying there isn't, it's you that need to prove your point.
That's a scandal. Give me a break. Man, conservatives like yourself will push ANYTHING. Paying off a porn star, talking about grabbing female parts, being a PIG. Those are scandals.
Do you consider it a scandal to watch your supports tear up the Capitol of the US and do NOTHING for hours. I'm a Republican and I can EASILY say Trump is the worst President ever representing ALL the people.
What would Obamas purpose for doing so be? He had 2 terms and was not on the ballot, therefore could not be upset that he thought the system was rigged.
So what would his motivation be to incite insurrection?
My guess is that what Peens is referring to when he says that doesn't make any sense.
Come on, Daman, that is like asking what would happen if frogs had wings.
I mean, who cares, and it didn't happen.
Pay attention to what is happening now. That is all we have hope to control.
Inflation is a big problem on the horizon that isn't being talked about. Right now we are told everything is in check, but you are a sharp guy, you know that is BA.
Housing going way up, food, gas, labor costs, and the list goes on, but hey, everything is in check. LOL
The question will become who will people blame that on when it does happen? It's been headed that way for a long time now. Recessions and inflation have always been a cycular part of our economy. If people wait around long enough, a prediction of something that will always happen will eventually come true. I think you damned well know that. Some states and several cities have already passed a 15 dollar minimum wage. And unlike some of the horror story predictions made on here, the costs of goods and services haven't been impacted nearly to the extent some have claimed they would.
I believe your predictions will fall short. Right now there are some shortages due to Covid. Like the worldwide shortage of semiconductors for cars. The market will have to correct itself in the rebound in demand for products in the after Covid world.
We've had huge booms in the housing market before and this is nothing more than a correction in the housing market after it crashed. This isn't a sky is falling scenario. Even you are saying it's a "the sky will be falling soon" scenario. I'm not buying that either.
I don't think the chip shortage thing leads to inflation. That's just good ol' supply/demand. Once supply catches back up and the pent up demand is finally eased, prices will relax again.
Well we were all forced to believe that deplorable trump supporters had at least a pinch of common sense to wear masks, and social distance for year until the vaccine came out. But no. As they refused to comply they elongated the period of time we needed to wear masks and social distance, yet they still complain about it like children. Pffft the GQP
There are long term reasons for shortages and inflation and there are short term reasons for shortages and inflation. Most of the ones we currently face are short term.
Let's use the chips for vehicles. The demand for those chips tanked during Covid. Lately the demand for new vehicles has greatly increased. Those who produce those chips had orders being canceled during Covid. In turn they stopped producing them. As the demand has increased there is a shortage. America does not make these chips. That's something that's happened slowly over decades which both parties bear some responsibility for.
When it comes to food similar issues exist. Here's a pretty good read explaining some of that.
Food Supply Chains and COVID-19: Impacts and Policy Lessons
Come on, Daman, that is like asking what would happen if frogs had wings.
I mean, who cares, and it didn't happen.
Pay attention to what is happening now. That is all we have hope to control.
Inflation is a big problem on the horizon that isn't being talked about. Right now we are told everything is in check, but you are a sharp guy, you know that is BA.
Housing going way up, food, gas, labor costs, and the list goes on, but hey, everything is in check. LOL
Like I said, there are things that Conservative (misleading title) and Trump supporters don't like to talk about.... apparently this is one of those things. Although it's clear you like to make predictions without much to support them...
Look at Trumps Tax cuts for the corporations and the wealthy,,, Added $2 Trillion to the debt BEFORE Covid.
Do the math? Workers would be there if their employers had paid a decent wage to begin with. They all moved on to jobs that pay a decent wage. And those employers that pay slave wages to their staff are out of luck, out of biz, or forced to pay a decent wage now.
My wife's company just raised prices for the 4th time since the beginning of the year. Their supply line can't keep up with demand and her boss openly admitted today's price increase was to try and deter some of the business! I don't think inflation, even though it is here, is the problem. I agree with Pit.
Report: Biden Aide T.J. Ducklo Threatened to ‘Destroy’ Politico Reporter for Story on His Relationship With Axios Journalist
T.J. Ducklo, President Joe Biden’s deputy press secretary, is accused of threatening Politico reporter Tara Palmeri for working on a story regarding his relationship with Axios journalist Alexi McCammond, according to a Friday report.
Vanity Fair reports:
The confrontation began on Inauguration Day, January 20, after Palmeri, a coauthor of Politico’s Playbook, contacted McCammond for comment while one of her male colleagues left a message for Ducklo, according to sources. […] But instead of calling the male reporter who initially contacted him, Ducklo tried to intimidate Palmeri by phone in an effort to kill the story. “I will destroy you,” Ducklo told her, according to sources, adding that he would ruin her reputation if she published it.
During the off-the-record call, Ducklo made derogatory and misogynistic comments, accusing Palmeri of only reporting on his relationship—which, due to the ethics questions that factor into the relationship between a journalist and White House official, falls under the purview of her reporting beat—because she was “jealous” that an unidentified man in the past had “wanted to f-censor” McCammond “and not you.” Ducklo also accused Palmeri of being “jealous” of his relationship with McCammond.
Hours following Vanity Fair‘s report, White House press secretary Jen Psaki announced that Ducklo (pictured) would not be fired and instead be placed on a one-week suspension without pay.
“TJ Ducklo has apologized to the reporter, with whom he had a heated conversation about his personal life. He is the first to acknowledge this is not the standard of behavior set out by the President,” Psaki wrote on Twitter. “In addition to his initial apology, he has sent the reporter a personal note expressing his profound regret.”
“With the approval of the White House Chief of Staff, he has been placed on a one-week suspension without pay,” the White House official added. “In addition, when he returns, he will no longer be assigned to work with any reporters at Politico.”
Ducklo has yet to issue a statement addressing the controversy. Palmeri has remained mum as well.
The White House’s decision to keep Ducklo appears to violate a pledge made by Biden to terminate members of his administration who conduct themselves disrespectfully towards others. In a January 21 video conference, Biden assured staff that his administration will lead with “core American values” and “humility and trust.”
“Everybody is entitled to be treated with decency and dignity,” Biden said. “That’s been missing in a big way the last four years.”
“I am not joking when I say this … if you ever work with me and I hear you treat another colleague with disrespect … talk down to someone, I promise you I will fire you on the spot … on the spot. No ifs, ands, or buts,” the president warned.
At the start of the Biden administration, Psaki told reporters she had a “deep respect for the role of a free and independent press in our democracy.”
“There will be moments when we disagree, and there will certainly be days where we disagree for extensive parts of the briefing even, perhaps,” she stated. “But we have a common goal, which is sharing accurate information with the American people.”
I mentioned this in another post yesterday and wanted to highlight the comparison.
A section of Anti Biden / Pro Trump posters/people/media (whatever you want to call them) wanted to "Nail Biden" for a comment an aide made to a reporter. That aide was later removed from his position.
Meanwhile - Gaetz himself (not his aide or some distant relation) is *most probably* involved in a range of unsavory activities including paying for sex with underage girls, faking their ID so they could cross state lines with him, showing photos of naked girls (underage?) in the house. . . . . . . . . And . . . . . same said people: Not a word.
I don't get it,,, up in arms over some press secretary doing something like that,,,, but geez, Trump can insult people on National TV and NOTHING.... Yikes
Meanwhile - Gaetz himself (not his aide or some distant relation) is *most probably* involved in a range of unsavory activities including paying for sex with underage girls, faking their ID so they could cross state lines with him, showing photos of naked girls (underage?) in the house. . . . . . . . . And . . . . . same said people: Not a word.
Meanwhile - Gaetz himself (not his aide or some distant relation) is *most probably* involved in a range of unsavory activities including paying for sex with underage girls, faking their ID so they could cross state lines with him, showing photos of naked girls (underage?) in the house. . . . . . . . . And . . . . . same said people: Not a word.
Kinda says everything in a nutshell.
Meanwhile, where's Hunter Biden's laptop?
Apparently, Rudy has them. He said that the FBI didn't take them when his home and office were raided...
The real question is, if he has them like he claims, why didn't he release info from them that would hurt Biden?
Just a guess here,,, he either doesn't have them and lied about it, or he has them and they show nothing that would harm the Bidens..
Cancel Culture Gas Shortage Inflation Unemployment Abuse Labor Shortage Border Crisis Not Backing Up Israel Massive Increases In Crime Big Tech Out Of Control Tax Increases
Cancel Culture - Liz Cheney Gas Shortage - Russian hackers still trying to help Trump make America Fascist Inflation - Mostly caused by Trump's trade wars, pandemic, and russian buddies Unemployment Abuse - You mean like all the corps and Trump companies that took PPP loans but didn't use them as intended or even need them? Labor Shortage - Mostly pandemic related but exasperated by Trump's anti vaxxers and anti maskers, who wants to work with them? Border Crisis - A crisis that has been around for multiple admins caused by foreign policy from both parties magnified by Trump's racist policies for four years and a deadly pandemic Not Backing Up Israel - When have we ever not backed Israel? Not agreeing with their actions hardly means we've abandoned our allies on the battlefield... you know, like Trump did. Massive Increases In Crime - Trump's white supremacy groups, hate crimes, insurrections, racist policies, and Qanon spawn have boosted those number immensely. Big Tech Out Of Control - This isn't real and even if they are out of control, it's started under Trump and his attacks on democracy Tax Increases - This has nothing to do with Trump's 2 trillion dollar tax cuts for the rich...
Is it 2024 yet? YOu ready to reinstall the fascist or is there another crackpot GOPer steaming pile you want to drop on the White House lawn?
Massive election fraud (did you know there were more votes cast than all eligible voters by a factor of x5?)
Castro hacking the voting machines via a Ouija board.
Biden as a puppet for the Communist Party (literally a puppet, he died 5 years ago).
Politicians sharing porn on the House Floor (opps - that one is real, the GOP! what ya gonna do?).
Real cases of voter fraud (opps real again, mostly Republicans, whaddyagonnado?).
The Media filled with propaganda and lies (opps - mostly true, especially Fox who legally told the courts no-one should believe the "facts" they present on their 'show').
Militia and an overthrown of the Government (nearly true - by those whackadoodle Trump supporters - whaddyagonnadoagain?)
Winfarms causing cancer!! This one is definitely true.
And the Clinton's are still assassinating anyone who threatens to expose Pizzagate.
Opps - nearly forgot - Sherieeeef Joe has got his hands on Obama's African birth certificate.
Cancel Culture Gas Shortage Inflation Unemployment Abuse Labor Shortage Border Crisis Not Backing Up Israel Massive Increases In Crime Big Tech Out Of Control Tax Increases
Is it 2024 yet?
Mass shootings and police brutality. And record stock market gains.
Sounds like America is finally back to normal. Yay.
By the way, I love how conservatives try to separate big tech from the rest of the big corporate industries as if somehow they’re different.
They’re still too big too fail corporations like any other company. Corporations with so much power that was literally HANDED to them by the same conservatives whining about it now.
That’s like the raiders deciding to trade for and pay Antonio brown KNOWING he was a massive scumbag, then acting all upset when he does what everybody told you he was gonna do.
Cancel Culture - Liz Cheney Gas Shortage - Russian hackers still trying to help Trump make America Fascist Inflation - Mostly caused by Trump's trade wars, pandemic, and russian buddies Unemployment Abuse - You mean like all the corps and Trump companies that took PPP loans but didn't use them as intended or even need them? Labor Shortage - Mostly pandemic related but exasperated by Trump's anti vaxxers and anti maskers, who wants to work with them? Border Crisis - A crisis that has been around for multiple admins caused by foreign policy from both parties magnified by Trump's racist policies for four years and a deadly pandemic Not Backing Up Israel - When have we ever not backed Israel? Not agreeing with their actions hardly means we've abandoned our allies on the battlefield... you know, like Trump did. Massive Increases In Crime - Trump's white supremacy groups, hate crimes, insurrections, racist policies, and Qanon spawn have boosted those number immensely. Big Tech Out Of Control - This isn't real and even if they are out of control, it's started under Trump and his attacks on democracy Tax Increases - This has nothing to do with Trump's 2 trillion dollar tax cuts for the rich...
Is it 2024 yet? YOu ready to reinstall the fascist or is there another crackpot GOPer steaming pile you want to drop on the White House lawn?
Biden couldnt care less that US gas infrastructure had to pay a ransom to russian hackers to be allowed to function.
Get this senile muppet out of here.
And the Energy Secretary's response...Granholm said. “And, you know, if you drive an electric car, this would not be affecting you, clearly. “ translation... " Let them eat cake"
I'd argue Colonial Pipeline was pleased to pay only a small $5M ransom which was likely paid by a cyber insurance policy, as opposed to a more costly approach of investing heavily in their own cybersecurity infrastructure.
"Colonial Pipeline Co. paid nearly $5 million to Eastern European hackers on Friday, contradicting reports earlier this week that the company had no intention of paying an extortion fee to help restore the country’s largest fuel pipeline."
We've been behind on cybersecurity for a long time now. Biden definitely needs to develop a plan to step up in that regard. It baffles me that we've been comfortable having our pants down this long on that front.
As far as having a president with a spine when it comes to Russia.......
Just wanted to add that the Government has not been tough enough on private sector to step up in this regard. I tend to be more "hands off" when it comes to the Government getting into the private sector, but I think this meets the whole "guard rail" necessity that I have mentioned before.
We've seen time and time again where cyber breaches have happened to company after company and we all get the "Hey, everyone stole your information we have on file. Here's a year's worth of identity protection. Good luck!"
There's no carrot OR stick OR infrastructural investment from the Government from any administration in recent memory that I can think of who actually tried to get this corrected.
You're probably right, corporate malfeasance isn't a thing.
This is the same company that recently lied about a gas leak to protect their own financial interests.
Biden should use this situation to include cyber security in his infrastructure bill. On the flip side, private companies should be responsible for their own cyber security?
Yeah, I agree. There needs to be better infrastructure to enable better cyber security and there has to be ramifications to company's who negligently or recklessly let this stuff happen.
As it is, if it doesn't affect their bottom line, they won't care.
You're probably right, corporate malfeasance isn't a thing.
This is the same company that recently lied about a gas leak to protect their own financial interests.
Biden should use this situation to include cyber security in his infrastructure bill. On the flip side, private companies should be responsible for their own cyber security?
As it is, if it doesn't affect their bottom line, they won't care.
Bingo.
$5M is walk around money for a billion dollar company. I'd be shocked if they had not performed a risk aanalysis when it comes to a cyber insurance policy compared to heavily investing and maintaining their own cyber security program.
As it is, if it doesn't affect their bottom line, they won't care.
Bingo.
$5M is walk around money for a billion dollar company. I'd be shocked if they had not performed a risk aanalysis when it comes to a cyber insurance policy compared to heavily investing and maintaining their own cyber security program.
Do you even work in the real world? What a bunch of made up crap.
This is nonsensical. This is private company. Biden did not pay a ransom. He chose to allow a private company to make their own decision on paying the ransom.
I said cyber security should be added to Biden's infrastructure bill. That seemed clear.
As it is, if it doesn't affect their bottom line, they won't care.
Bingo.
$5M is walk around money for a billion dollar company. I'd be shocked if they had not performed a risk aanalysis when it comes to a cyber insurance policy compared to heavily investing and maintaining their cyber security program.
Do you even work in the real world? What a bunch of made up crap.
This is nonsensical. This is private company. Biden did not pay a ransom. He chose to allow a private company to make their own decision on paying the ransom.
I said cyber security should be added to Biden's infrastructure bill. That seemed clear.
Its United States infrastructure that affects the entire eastern United States. Biden better be on top of it. He wasnt. He's ok with russian hackers controlling our infrastructure. He was straight asked about it and he had no comment.
That is negligent on his part. And embarassing in the world arena.
As it is, if it doesn't affect their bottom line, they won't care.
Bingo.
$5M is walk around money for a billion dollar company. I'd be shocked if they had not performed a risk aanalysis when it comes to a cyber insurance policy compared to heavily investing and maintaining their cyber security program.
Do you even work in the real world? What a bunch of made up crap.
This is nonsensical. This is private company. Biden did not pay a ransom. He chose to allow a private company to make their own decision on paying the ransom.
I said cyber security should be added to Biden's infrastructure bill. That seemed clear.
Its United States infrastructure that affects the entire eastern United States. Biden better be on top of it. He wasnt. He's ok with russian hackers controlling our infrastructure. He was straight asked about it and he had no comment.
That is negligent on his part. And embarassing in the world arena.
I read somewhere today that they said there was no proof it was Russia.
I'm as left as it gets around here and I think Biden not stepping in to at minimum make sure this doesn't happen again is just nuts. Although I'm not sure we would even know if he had.
And this isn't the first attack on our infrastructure, wasn't too long ago they were talking about a breach in the electric grid and I've heard all kinds of stories about how vulnerable our water supply is. So your damn right infrastructure should be part of the bill.
Here's the problem:
1) Cyber Security is a field where the good guys are always trying to stay ahead of the bad guys, but they have no idea when where or how the bad guys will come at them. Cyber is basically anything connected to a computer. Everything from private networks to the public internet can be a target and that is pretty much everything these days.
2) There are a crazy number of ways to hack just about anything. It can be an in person hack where somebody just plugs a usb stick in and in a few microseconds you're breached. It can be a phishing attack where they trick somebody into downloading a virus, visiting a certain page that will load a virus, or even opening an email or pdf file. It can be data sniffing as a man in the middle attack, spoofed emails or domains and IP addresses. Heck you can even call somebody at their work desk pretending to be with it/security and get them to give you their login method and creds... with a PHONE CALL! Cyber security measures can't stop stupid and people in general aren't that bright especially when it comes to cyber vulnerabilities.
3) You don't have to be a genius to hack somebody. If you can talk on the phone, plug in a usb flash drive, or learn from internet courses following easy directions then you can hack. Bad actor nations can assemble teams for hacking pretty easily because you don't have to be a genius to download kali linux and some freely available software to do a thorough search for vulnerabilities and apply various attacks accordingly. You can also pay for customized viruses or for somebody to use their botnet to do a denial of service attack. It's online if you know where to look and got at least a day to learn the basics.
So before the US spends a trillion on the outfit that built the Obamacare website to try and beef up security, I think they should just pay google or amazon to set them up and provide security/IT.
As it is, if it doesn't affect their bottom line, they won't care.
Bingo.
$5M is walk around money for a billion dollar company. I'd be shocked if they had not performed a risk aanalysis when it comes to a cyber insurance policy compared to heavily investing and maintaining their own cyber security program.
Do you even work in the real world? What a bunch of made up crap.
The only thing that I love more than the substantive arguments you make, is the tact with which you make them.
We got hit by ransomware on our Point-of-Sale server about 4 months ago, in a period of about 3 hours I was able to review the previous nights backup as clean and restore it.
Now we are a much smaller organization, but the concept and process is the same.
Actually from reports I have seen they ended up using their own back up system to restore it rather than what the hackers provided because their own back up system was faster.
Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Millions in Ransom
As of Thursday, the company says they’ve made “substantial progress” in restarting the pipeline system
Colonial Pipeline, which was forced to shut down operations last week due to a ransomware attack, paid nearly $5 million to hackers to restart their fuel pipeline.
According to a Bloomberg report that has since been confirmed by multiple outlets, the company that operates the largest gasoline pipeline in the country paid the ransom using cryptocurrency just hours following the attack, despite several reports to the contrary. DarkSide, a digital extortion group, is believed to be responsible for the hack.
Following payment, Bloomberg reported, the hackers provided the company with a decrypting tool to restore the offline network, but Colonial Pipeline continued to use its own backup systems to restart because the tool they paid for worked too slowly. The FBI usually advises companies not to pay ransoms from these types of groups because there is no way to ensure the hackers will follow through and return the files.
Colonial’s pipelines are a crucial delivery system for the eastern seaboard of the United States. According to the company, their pipelines transport 2.5 million barrels per day and supply approximately 45 percent of all fuel used on the East Coast.
As of Thursday, the company says they’ve made “substantial progress” in restarting the pipeline system. But according to CNN, citing statistics from GasBuddy, a platform that tracks fuel demand, prices, and outages, widespread shortages are expected to last for days. The network reports 71 percent of the gas stations in North Carolina, 55 percent in Virginia and 49 percent in Georgia are without gas.
On Thursday Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said the restart “should mean things will return to normal by the end of the weekend.”
This week, President Joe Biden signed an executive order aimed at strengthening U.S. cybersecurity. The order, among other steps, requires IT service providers, to tell the government about cybersecurity breaches, establishes a cybersecurity safety review board, and mandates the deployment of multifactor authentication and encryption methods.
“The federal government needs to make bold changes and significant investments in order to defend the vital institutions that underpin the American way of life,” Biden said in the order.
Good, but still, I am not trusting hackers "tools" who knows what else they implement with the "tool".
Yeah, that's a good point. Plus, what guarantee do you have that it's going to even work? Call the hacker customer service line to file a warranty claim??
Good, but still, I am not trusting hackers "tools" who knows what else they implement with the "tool".
Yeah, that's a good point. Plus, what guarantee do you have that it's going to even work? Call the hacker customer service line to file a warranty claim??
Right, cause I'm going to send 5mil to people who just hacked my system and trust they are going to deliver the "tools" to unlock everything.
Yes. It was the greatest most amazing peace deal ever brokered. Really really peacy. Some say the most peace ever brokered. Many people have told me that. Really good people. The best.
Here's an inconvenient fact for you, Didn't trump and kushner broker peace in the middle east? What happened to that failed attempt?
And those countries that signed the Abraham Accords have denounced Hamas for their attacks on Israel. They see this for what it is a terrorist organization Hamas attacking a sovereign nation. This is not the Palestinian people attacking Israel this is a terrorist organization Hamas. Funded by Iran. A country that has openly said it's end goal is complete utter destruction of Israel.
I know living trusts are very common, especially with financial elite, so I don't necessarily have a problem with her using one, but yes, I agree, she should disclose what is in the trust if that is part of their campaign pledge.
Just like Trump's tax returns, the failure or refusal to disclose such things - to me - exacerbates things.
The problem people have with Israel is not that they responded, it's the manner. Blindly bombing Palestinians is neither effective nor productive response.
The problem I have with Israel - they are illegally taking/occupying areas that were designated to Palestine. Constantly.
When they are attacked - their response is disproportionate to the attack. If they lose a life - they take 20.
Hammas is a terrorist organization - if they target indiscriminately, it does not make it "okay" for a legitimate government, funded and armed largely by the USA, to indiscriminately slaughter innocents. Period.
The problem people have with Israel is not that they responded, it's the manner. Blindly bombing Palestinians is neither effective nor productive response.
They are attacking Hamas. Hamas is using the Palestinian people as human shields. That is why Israel has been giving warning before bombing. Like the AP building that was being used by Hamas. You have 1 hour to get out because we will be bombing the building. Hamas is just indiscriminately bombing into Israel.
One is a terrorist org, and the other is a legit country with an extremely well-funded and sophisticated military. Israel absolutely should be held to a higher standard.
One is a terrorist org, and the other is a legit country with an extremely well-funded and sophisticated military. Israel absolutely should be held to a higher standard.
They are also suppose to be our allies and we should support them when them come against terrorist groups.
The problem people have with Israel is not that they responded, it's the manner. Blindly bombing Palestinians is neither effective nor productive response.
Have you ever looked at a map prior to 1967 and seen who controlled what areas, and then look at a map now?
If the rolls were reversed, conservatives would be claiming that Palestine is committing genocide by killing off Israelis and taking their land.
Palestinians from, their perspective, are defending their homeland against invaders. Israel doesn’t want a two state agreement. They straight up want to remove Palestinians from their homeland. Let’s not forget that failed “peace deal” kushner tried to broker. A peace deal that magically didn’t include ANY Palestinians in the discussion.
Hammas is most certainly a terrorist organization. But I ALSO don’t blame the Palestinians for fighting back and trying to defend what little territory they have left.
They are slowly being killed off, slowly having their land taken from them, and yet they’re viewed as the bad guys for fighting back.
If I was from Palestine, I’d be fighting back too. Whatever happened in the Holocaust doesn’t give Israel any right to do a slow version of the same thing to another culture. They got gift wrapped a country due to the Holocaust by the British. What was wrong with the land they was already handed?
There's a big difference between supporting them and just writing them a blank check. We tend to do the latter. Other countries have been held accountable for doing less.
The problem people have with Israel is not that they responded, it's the manner. Blindly bombing Palestinians is neither effective nor productive response.
Have you ever looked at a map prior to 1967 and seen who controlled what areas, and then look at a map now?
If the rolls were reversed, conservatives would be claiming that Palestine is committing genocide by killing off Israelis and taking their land.
Palestinians from, their perspective, are defending their homeland against invaders. Israel doesn’t want a two state agreement. They straight up want to remove Palestinians from their homeland. Let’s not forget that failed “peace deal” kushner tried to broker. A peace deal that magically didn’t include ANY Palestinians in the discussion.
Hammas is most certainly a terrorist organization. But I ALSO don’t blame the Palestinians for fighting back and trying to defend what little territory they have left.
They are slowly being killed off, slowly having their land taken from them, and yet they’re viewed as the bad guys for fighting back.
If I was from Palestine, I’d be fighting back too. Whatever happened in the Holocaust doesn’t give Israel any right to do a slow version of the same thing to another culture. They got gift wrapped a country due to the Holocaust by the British. What was wrong with the land they was already handed?
And what happened in 1967 that changed the landscape? To the victors go the spoils.
The problem people have with Israel is not that they responded, it's the manner. Blindly bombing Palestinians is neither effective nor productive response.
Have you ever looked at a map prior to 1967 and seen who controlled what areas, and then look at a map now?
If the rolls were reversed, conservatives would be claiming that Palestine is committing genocide by killing off Israelis and taking their land.
Palestinians from, their perspective, are defending their homeland against invaders. Israel doesn’t want a two state agreement. They straight up want to remove Palestinians from their homeland. Let’s not forget that failed “peace deal” kushner tried to broker. A peace deal that magically didn’t include ANY Palestinians in the discussion.
Hammas is most certainly a terrorist organization. But I ALSO don’t blame the Palestinians for fighting back and trying to defend what little territory they have left.
They are slowly being killed off, slowly having their land taken from them, and yet they’re viewed as the bad guys for fighting back.
If I was from Palestine, I’d be fighting back too. Whatever happened in the Holocaust doesn’t give Israel any right to do a slow version of the same thing to another culture. They got gift wrapped a country due to the Holocaust by the British. What was wrong with the land they was already handed?
There's a big difference between supporting them and just writing them a blank check. We tend to do the latter. Other countries have been held accountable for doing less.
Yeah, that was my point. I was saying - perhaps poorly - there is no question that we support them to an immense level.
Here's an inconvenient fact for you, Didn't trump and kushner broker peace in the middle east? What happened to that failed attempt?
People are so far behind in the race that they actually think they're leading.
Quite true. They still think Trump won the election.
Careful out there. You could be next. COVID is no joke. One patient was so brain damaged afterwards that he thought he won an election he lost by 7 million votes.
And that begs the question, do we blindly support the Israeli government no matter what they do?
You see I do support the Israeli people, but not necessarily their current government. Some people try to make the case you can't support one without the other but that's certainly not true. Netanyahu is currently under indictment for fraud, breach of trust and accepting bribes in three separate cases.
I have supported every American troop that has ever been deployed even when I felt where they were sent to war was the wrong decision. Iraq is a prime example of that. You can support a nations people without supporting a nations government.
Here's an inconvenient fact for you, Didn't trump and kushner broker peace in the middle east? What happened to that failed attempt?
People are so far behind in the race that they actually think they're leading.
Quite true. They still think Trump won the election.
For all the "living rent free" comments mentioned on here, there literally is no one living more rent free in someone else's head than Trump lives rent free in yours. Its laughable and sad.
I mean, I'm commenting on the lack of awareness of this Israel and Palestine conflict and you go to the election. Grow TF up.
Personally I would be fine with the USA not sending Billions to Israel every year. I think there would be a much greater possibility that peace could be brokered without the amount of financial support provided.
Just think if we didn’t send billions of dollars to Israel we could afford Medicare for all… like the Israeli government provides for their citizens.
bro im glad you brought this up. cause we got dudes on here whining about money going to NATO and european military defense. but the money we give israel? not a problem. none of them every cries about it.
I understand fully that personal responsibility no longer exists on your priority list. Not my problem. According to your kind BLM is a terrorist organization so I take pretty much everything you say at this point with a grain of salt.
I understand fully that personal responsibility no longer exists on your priority list. Not my problem. According to your kind BLM is a terrorist organization so I take pretty much everything you say at this point with a grain of salt.
Lets examine BLM to see if they are a terrorist organization.
They Rioted They looted They have killed They align themselves with Antifa They have came out in support of Hamas They hate Police Officers Cheer them getting wounded or killed
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it must be a duck.
Just think if we didn’t send billions of dollars to Israel we could afford Medicare for all… like the Israeli government provides for their citizens.
bro im glad you brought this up. cause we got dudes on here whining about money going to NATO and european military defense. but the money we give israel? not a problem. none of them every cries about it.
its just strange.
My guess would be because if it's not being talked about, most people don't know what our government spends money on.
That really goes true for all things politics, unless it's current or recent news, most people haven't a clue what's happening in Washington. It's why I usually don't put much thought into certain people opinions on certain matters, as they only know what their favorite news provider told them, or they saw on facebook (The facebook activists/prophets are the worst, parroting a meme)
If some of the very things you listed weren't total lies you may have a point.
What do you mean lies. They were all over the TV last summer. Building burning to the ground. A retired police officer killed in St Louis defending his building. I mean you want the rest of the world to acknowledge Jan 6 then just maybe you should acknowledged what happened last summer.
And don;t forget there was a insurrection last summer when the secret service made Trump go to a panic room when BLM tried to breach the white house and burned a church across the street.
So you claim. These events happened after dark and after the actual BLM protests were over. There is nothing to substantiate that those involved in the riots were actual BLM members.
And nobody stormed any government buildings or threatened Trump's life when he went into a bunker. That's not an insurrection. Protests on the street are not the same as storming the capital building. Nobody was screaming to hang Make Pence while putting a noose on public display. You need to get that weak chit outta here.
So you claim. These events happened after dark and after the actual BLM protests were over. There is nothing to substantiate that those involved in the riots were actual BLM members.
And nobody stormed any government buildings or threatened Trump's life when he went into a bunker. That's not an insurrection. Protests on the street are not the same as storming the capital building. Nobody was screaming to hang Make Pence while putting a noose on public display. You need to get that weak chit outta here.
You can deny all you want. Those protests became riots each and every night. They are evil just as the Jan 6 riot was evil. No better no worse. There is no right in what either side did. Justifying it is insane. But, only criminalizing 1 side is wrong and is what communist countries do.
Those protests became riots each and every night. They are evil just as the Jan 6 riot was evil. No better no worse. There is no right in what either side did. Justifying it is insane. But, only criminalizing 1 side is wrong and is what communist countries do.
Yet I have never done that. I have called for everyone engaged in criminal activity on both sides to be arrested and prosecuted. The question becomes were they actually BLM members? I've seen no evidence that supports that.
But then you only see what you want to see and feel some compulsive need to call those who disagree with you communists. Very Trump like.
And no, not all protests became riots every night. Actually it was a small fraction of them that did.
93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds
I don't have an issue with wanting everyone engaged in criminal activity being punished for their crimes no matter who they are. What I'm against is people coming here and posting their opinions as facts with nothing to back it up when much of it is false.
Just think if we didn’t send billions of dollars to Israel we could afford Medicare for all… like the Israeli government provides for their citizens.
bro im glad you brought this up. cause we got dudes on here whining about money going to NATO and european military defense. but the money we give israel? not a problem. none of them every cries about it.
its just strange.
How our govt does and does not spend money is a whole 'nother can of worms. Deserves its own thread (or 10).
One more nugget. Israel fears of a democracy as there are a lot of Palestinians (Muslims) in Israel.
When you look up how they count population and the percentage there is slight of hand math going on. Israel may not be including area that are Palestinian in their math yet they claim to be part of Israel.
Not exactly an environment for democratic rule when religion is so embedded into the culture on both sides.
I understand fully that personal responsibility no longer exists on your priority list. Not my problem. According to your kind BLM is a terrorist organization so I take pretty much everything you say at this point with a grain of salt.
Lets examine BLM to see if they are a terrorist organization.
They Rioted They looted They have killed They align themselves with Antifa They have came out in support of Hamas They hate Police Officers Cheer them getting wounded or killed
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it must be a duck.
What is the ratio of people who are a part of BLM that align with that?
By your logic, we should probably classify southern Baptists as a racist organization.
Just think if we didn’t send billions of dollars to Israel we could afford Medicare for all… like the Israeli government provides for their citizens.
bro im glad you brought this up. cause we got dudes on here whining about money going to NATO and european military defense. but the money we give israel? not a problem. none of them every cries about it.
its just strange.
How our govt does and does not spend money is a whole 'nother can of worms. Deserves its own thread (or 10).
I could probably provide enough posts of my own to need a new thread to be started.
100% agree.... I think most (if not all Americans) have no idea what we spend money on... I also think most politicians have no idea what we spend money on and frankly sign bills all the time that they have no idea what's all in them...
It might make sense in your eyes - but being anti fascist doesn't make someone a Pro-Commie. Being pro-healthcare rights that mirror the rest of the first world countries in the world - doesn't make someone pro-communist. Even being pro-free university education (which I am not in favor of) does not make someone pro-commie. Wanting the federal government to help the poorest and weakest in our communities doesn't make someone pro-com.
Those protests became riots each and every night. They are evil just as the Jan 6 riot was evil. No better no worse. There is no right in what either side did. Justifying it is insane. But, only criminalizing 1 side is wrong and is what communist countries do.
Yet I have never done that. I have called for everyone engaged in criminal activity on both sides to be arrested and prosecuted. The question becomes were they actually BLM members? I've seen no evidence that supports that.
But then you only see what you want to see and feel some compulsive need to call those who disagree with you communists. Very Trump like.
And no, not all protests became riots every night. Actually it was a small fraction of them that did.
93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds
I don't have an issue with wanting everyone engaged in criminal activity being punished for their crimes no matter who they are. What I'm against is people coming here and posting their opinions as facts with nothing to back it up when much of it is false.
By the logic of you saying that 93% of BLM rallies were peaceful so that organization is upstanding citizens then this logic must apply then. That 99.9% of Trump rallies were peaceful so they must all be upstanding citizens then.
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