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Captain Obvious here....
The problem people have with Israel is not that they responded, it's the manner. Blindly bombing Palestinians is neither effective nor productive response.
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I thought hamas was the one blindly bombing Israel?
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The problem I have with Israel - they are illegally taking/occupying areas that were designated to Palestine. Constantly.
When they are attacked - their response is disproportionate to the attack. If they lose a life - they take 20.
Hammas is a terrorist organization - if they target indiscriminately, it does not make it "okay" for a legitimate government, funded and armed largely by the USA, to indiscriminately slaughter innocents. Period.
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Captain Obvious here....
The problem people have with Israel is not that they responded, it's the manner. Blindly bombing Palestinians is neither effective nor productive response. They are attacking Hamas. Hamas is using the Palestinian people as human shields. That is why Israel has been giving warning before bombing. Like the AP building that was being used by Hamas. You have 1 hour to get out because we will be bombing the building. Hamas is just indiscriminately bombing into Israel.
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One is a terrorist org, and the other is a legit country with an extremely well-funded and sophisticated military. Israel absolutely should be held to a higher standard.
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Here's an inconvenient fact for you, Didn't trump and kushner broker peace in the middle east? What happened to that failed attempt? People are so far behind in the race that they actually think they're leading.
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One is a terrorist org, and the other is a legit country with an extremely well-funded and sophisticated military. Israel absolutely should be held to a higher standard. They are also suppose to be our allies and we should support them when them come against terrorist groups.
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There's a difference between supporting them when they are attacked by terrorists and supporting and encouraging disproportionate responses.
I also don't think there's any debate as to our level of commitment to supporting them.
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Captain Obvious here....
The problem people have with Israel is not that they responded, it's the manner. Blindly bombing Palestinians is neither effective nor productive response. Have you ever looked at a map prior to 1967 and seen who controlled what areas, and then look at a map now? If the rolls were reversed, conservatives would be claiming that Palestine is committing genocide by killing off Israelis and taking their land. Palestinians from, their perspective, are defending their homeland against invaders. Israel doesn’t want a two state agreement. They straight up want to remove Palestinians from their homeland. Let’s not forget that failed “peace deal” kushner tried to broker. A peace deal that magically didn’t include ANY Palestinians in the discussion. Hammas is most certainly a terrorist organization. But I ALSO don’t blame the Palestinians for fighting back and trying to defend what little territory they have left. They are slowly being killed off, slowly having their land taken from them, and yet they’re viewed as the bad guys for fighting back. If I was from Palestine, I’d be fighting back too. Whatever happened in the Holocaust doesn’t give Israel any right to do a slow version of the same thing to another culture. They got gift wrapped a country due to the Holocaust by the British. What was wrong with the land they was already handed?
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There's a big difference between supporting them and just writing them a blank check. We tend to do the latter. Other countries have been held accountable for doing less.
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Captain Obvious here....
The problem people have with Israel is not that they responded, it's the manner. Blindly bombing Palestinians is neither effective nor productive response. Have you ever looked at a map prior to 1967 and seen who controlled what areas, and then look at a map now? If the rolls were reversed, conservatives would be claiming that Palestine is committing genocide by killing off Israelis and taking their land. Palestinians from, their perspective, are defending their homeland against invaders. Israel doesn’t want a two state agreement. They straight up want to remove Palestinians from their homeland. Let’s not forget that failed “peace deal” kushner tried to broker. A peace deal that magically didn’t include ANY Palestinians in the discussion. Hammas is most certainly a terrorist organization. But I ALSO don’t blame the Palestinians for fighting back and trying to defend what little territory they have left. They are slowly being killed off, slowly having their land taken from them, and yet they’re viewed as the bad guys for fighting back. If I was from Palestine, I’d be fighting back too. Whatever happened in the Holocaust doesn’t give Israel any right to do a slow version of the same thing to another culture. They got gift wrapped a country due to the Holocaust by the British. What was wrong with the land they was already handed? And what happened in 1967 that changed the landscape? To the victors go the spoils.
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Captain Obvious here....
The problem people have with Israel is not that they responded, it's the manner. Blindly bombing Palestinians is neither effective nor productive response. Have you ever looked at a map prior to 1967 and seen who controlled what areas, and then look at a map now? If the rolls were reversed, conservatives would be claiming that Palestine is committing genocide by killing off Israelis and taking their land. Palestinians from, their perspective, are defending their homeland against invaders. Israel doesn’t want a two state agreement. They straight up want to remove Palestinians from their homeland. Let’s not forget that failed “peace deal” kushner tried to broker. A peace deal that magically didn’t include ANY Palestinians in the discussion. Hammas is most certainly a terrorist organization. But I ALSO don’t blame the Palestinians for fighting back and trying to defend what little territory they have left. They are slowly being killed off, slowly having their land taken from them, and yet they’re viewed as the bad guys for fighting back. If I was from Palestine, I’d be fighting back too. Whatever happened in the Holocaust doesn’t give Israel any right to do a slow version of the same thing to another culture. They got gift wrapped a country due to the Holocaust by the British. What was wrong with the land they was already handed? Ding ding ding. In a nut shell.
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There's a big difference between supporting them and just writing them a blank check. We tend to do the latter. Other countries have been held accountable for doing less. Yeah, that was my point. I was saying - perhaps poorly - there is no question that we support them to an immense level.
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Here's an inconvenient fact for you, Didn't trump and kushner broker peace in the middle east? What happened to that failed attempt? People are so far behind in the race that they actually think they're leading. Quite true. They still think Trump won the election.
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Here's an inconvenient fact for you, Didn't trump and kushner broker peace in the middle east? What happened to that failed attempt? People are so far behind in the race that they actually think they're leading. Quite true. They still think Trump won the election. Careful out there. You could be next. COVID is no joke. One patient was so brain damaged afterwards that he thought he won an election he lost by 7 million votes.
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And that begs the question, do we blindly support the Israeli government no matter what they do?
You see I do support the Israeli people, but not necessarily their current government. Some people try to make the case you can't support one without the other but that's certainly not true. Netanyahu is currently under indictment for fraud, breach of trust and accepting bribes in three separate cases.
I have supported every American troop that has ever been deployed even when I felt where they were sent to war was the wrong decision. Iraq is a prime example of that. You can support a nations people without supporting a nations government.
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Here's an inconvenient fact for you, Didn't trump and kushner broker peace in the middle east? What happened to that failed attempt? People are so far behind in the race that they actually think they're leading. Quite true. They still think Trump won the election. For all the "living rent free" comments mentioned on here, there literally is no one living more rent free in someone else's head than Trump lives rent free in yours. Its laughable and sad. I mean, I'm commenting on the lack of awareness of this Israel and Palestine conflict and you go to the election.  Grow TF up. "tHoGhtZ and pRaErZ"
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Personally I would be fine with the USA not sending Billions to Israel every year. I think there would be a much greater possibility that peace could be brokered without the amount of financial support provided.
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Just think if we didn’t send billions of dollars to Israel we could afford Medicare for all… like the Israeli government provides for their citizens.
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Just think if we didn’t send billions of dollars to Israel we could afford Medicare for all… like the Israeli government provides for their citizens. bro im glad you brought this up. cause we got dudes on here whining about money going to NATO and european military defense. but the money we give israel? not a problem. none of them every cries about it. its just strange.
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I understand fully that personal responsibility no longer exists on your priority list. Not my problem. According to your kind BLM is a terrorist organization so I take pretty much everything you say at this point with a grain of salt.
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I understand fully that personal responsibility no longer exists on your priority list. Not my problem. According to your kind BLM is a terrorist organization so I take pretty much everything you say at this point with a grain of salt. Lets examine BLM to see if they are a terrorist organization. They Rioted They looted They have killed They align themselves with Antifa They have came out in support of Hamas They hate Police Officers Cheer them getting wounded or killed If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it must be a duck.
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Just think if we didn’t send billions of dollars to Israel we could afford Medicare for all… like the Israeli government provides for their citizens. bro im glad you brought this up. cause we got dudes on here whining about money going to NATO and european military defense. but the money we give israel? not a problem. none of them every cries about it. its just strange. My guess would be because if it's not being talked about, most people don't know what our government spends money on. That really goes true for all things politics, unless it's current or recent news, most people haven't a clue what's happening in Washington. It's why I usually don't put much thought into certain people opinions on certain matters, as they only know what their favorite news provider told them, or they saw on facebook (The facebook activists/prophets are the worst, parroting a meme)
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If some of the very things you listed weren't total lies you may have a point.
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If some of the very things you listed weren't total lies you may have a point. What do you mean lies. They were all over the TV last summer. Building burning to the ground. A retired police officer killed in St Louis defending his building. I mean you want the rest of the world to acknowledge Jan 6 then just maybe you should acknowledged what happened last summer. And don;t forget there was a insurrection last summer when the secret service made Trump go to a panic room when BLM tried to breach the white house and burned a church across the street.
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So you claim. These events happened after dark and after the actual BLM protests were over. There is nothing to substantiate that those involved in the riots were actual BLM members.
And nobody stormed any government buildings or threatened Trump's life when he went into a bunker. That's not an insurrection. Protests on the street are not the same as storming the capital building. Nobody was screaming to hang Make Pence while putting a noose on public display. You need to get that weak chit outta here.
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So you claim. These events happened after dark and after the actual BLM protests were over. There is nothing to substantiate that those involved in the riots were actual BLM members.
And nobody stormed any government buildings or threatened Trump's life when he went into a bunker. That's not an insurrection. Protests on the street are not the same as storming the capital building. Nobody was screaming to hang Make Pence while putting a noose on public display. You need to get that weak chit outta here. You can deny all you want. Those protests became riots each and every night. They are evil just as the Jan 6 riot was evil. No better no worse. There is no right in what either side did. Justifying it is insane. But, only criminalizing 1 side is wrong and is what communist countries do.
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Those protests became riots each and every night. They are evil just as the Jan 6 riot was evil. No better no worse. There is no right in what either side did. Justifying it is insane. But, only criminalizing 1 side is wrong and is what communist countries do. Yet I have never done that. I have called for everyone engaged in criminal activity on both sides to be arrested and prosecuted. The question becomes were they actually BLM members? I've seen no evidence that supports that. But then you only see what you want to see and feel some compulsive need to call those who disagree with you communists. Very Trump like. And no, not all protests became riots every night. Actually it was a small fraction of them that did. 93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/I don't have an issue with wanting everyone engaged in criminal activity being punished for their crimes no matter who they are. What I'm against is people coming here and posting their opinions as facts with nothing to back it up when much of it is false.
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Just think if we didn’t send billions of dollars to Israel we could afford Medicare for all… like the Israeli government provides for their citizens. bro im glad you brought this up. cause we got dudes on here whining about money going to NATO and european military defense. but the money we give israel? not a problem. none of them every cries about it. its just strange. How our govt does and does not spend money is a whole 'nother can of worms. Deserves its own thread (or 10).
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One more nugget. Israel fears of a democracy as there are a lot of Palestinians (Muslims) in Israel.
When you look up how they count population and the percentage there is slight of hand math going on. Israel may not be including area that are Palestinian in their math yet they claim to be part of Israel.
Not exactly an environment for democratic rule when religion is so embedded into the culture on both sides.
It is 3/5ths worthy math.
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I understand fully that personal responsibility no longer exists on your priority list. Not my problem. According to your kind BLM is a terrorist organization so I take pretty much everything you say at this point with a grain of salt. Lets examine BLM to see if they are a terrorist organization. They Rioted They looted They have killed They align themselves with Antifa They have came out in support of Hamas They hate Police Officers Cheer them getting wounded or killed If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it must be a duck. What is the ratio of people who are a part of BLM that align with that? By your logic, we should probably classify southern Baptists as a racist organization.
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Just think if we didn’t send billions of dollars to Israel we could afford Medicare for all… like the Israeli government provides for their citizens. bro im glad you brought this up. cause we got dudes on here whining about money going to NATO and european military defense. but the money we give israel? not a problem. none of them every cries about it. its just strange. How our govt does and does not spend money is a whole 'nother can of worms. Deserves its own thread (or 10). I could probably provide enough posts of my own to need a new thread to be started.
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100% agree.... I think most (if not all Americans) have no idea what we spend money on... I also think most politicians have no idea what we spend money on and frankly sign bills all the time that they have no idea what's all in them...
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I will just say that I have been and always be anti fascist.
I am proud of that and if you want to call me antifa. I will wear the moniker proudly.
I believe that all Americans should be treated equally… and that is harder said than done.
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The whole country should be antifa. I think most of it is. It's just that many of us aren't procom. Lets face it. If you want to label me a fascist yet some of you escape being labeled communist, you are wrong. You can't have one without the other. Just something to think about.
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It might make sense in your eyes - but being anti fascist doesn't make someone a Pro-Commie. Being pro-healthcare rights that mirror the rest of the first world countries in the world - doesn't make someone pro-communist. Even being pro-free university education (which I am not in favor of) does not make someone pro-commie. Wanting the federal government to help the poorest and weakest in our communities doesn't make someone pro-com.
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