DeSantis floats building prison on land next to Disney World

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said Monday that the state might consider building a prison or potentially another amusement park next to land owned by Disney amid his administration’s ongoing feud with the entertainment giant.

The governor’s clash with Disney started when the company came out against his education plan that limits the instruction of gender identity and sexuality in public schools. In response, DeSantis signed a bill that dissolved the private government that oversaw Walt Disney World in the state.

But outgoing Disney-friendly members of the board that oversees the district approved an agreement with the company that gave it developmental authority over its theme park. New board members handpicked by DeSantis said the agreement stripped them of their ability to oversee the park’s development.

Now DeSantis, who is weighing a 2024 presidential campaign, is publicly floating how to respond.

“If you look at this whole special district, Walt Disney Corporation obviously owns a lot of it, but the district owns other land,” he said at the press conference. “Now people are like, what should we do with this land? People have said: Maybe create a state park, maybe try to do more amusement parks. Someone even said maybe you need another state prison. Who knows?”

DeSantis said that while he was not actively considering what to do with the land before, the ability to build state projects on the land would be analyzed going forward.

“I just think that the possibilities are endless,” he said. “So that is now gonna be analyzed to see what would make the most sense. And that wasn’t necessarily even on the radar.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...hq5cT-gcuzzZLda5y6WVly13wO_KG1pC_KvSpXoU

He should take a long walk in the Everglades.

They should put a garbage dump next to it.

Because they disagreed with the governor?

Because disney is a greedy, entitled, garbage ass company.

So do you feel the same way about oil companies, pharmaceutical companies and all of the greedy corporations in America?

So do you do whatabouts in every thread?

I was simply curious whether you shared that view of all corporations who fit your description of Disney or not. If you view every such corporation the same way as you do Disney then your reasoning is quite understandable. If not, the reasons you have targeted Disney and not others who fit that description seems questionable. Tagging something as a "whatabout" is a typical response to avoid answering pertinent questions however.

It's either a stand you take against all such corporations or your reasoning for targeting Disney in particular goes deeper than the reasoning you posted.

It's your choice whether you wish to travel down the road of hyperbole to avoid an honest discussion about it however.

It's a typical response, because it's what you do in every thread. You have a difficult time dealing with the responses given to you so you deflect and whatabout. This thread is about disney. So, I'm staying on topic. I have to work, so that's all I have to say. Enjoy being wrong.

So you are unwilling to state that you feel this way about all corporations who fit this description.... ....but are quite willing to use that as an excuse to attack Disney.

And then you blame me for it. Thanks for playing.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you still can't take ownership for what you say.

It's always someone else's fault, you are just trying to mind your own little business and someone comes along and just puts words right into your little mouth. It is so sad.

That's a very valid question.

I think all companies are out to maximize profits. Some like the pharmaceuticals gouge when they can. They have invented ways to continually extend patents which is in no-one's interest - you only have to look at the price of insulin here in the USA versus the ROTW to know we are being bent over and abused. Oil companies, tobaccos companies and others have lobbyists trying to protect their profits and niche markets. I don't know what Disney has done so wrong to be labeled greedy and entitled. Orlando would be pretty much a big fat nothing burger without what Disney carved out, they employ a lot of people... I don't know that they are any greedier or more garbage than any other company out to make a profit. I'm not a fan or a hater.

Desantis on the other hand is showing himself to be a petulant child with all this brouhaha about Disney and his moves to try to control it and re-write the way that Disney agreed to run itself when it bought the land and agreed the terms back in the day.

That’s called Orlando.

Truth is hard to handle. for you anyway. Disney and the Mouse are kicking the Governors butt..

I had researched this once... but it was a while ago so I may get the actual numbers wrong.

Disney employs roughly 80,000 in Florida. Supporting businesses employ another large number like 80,000.

You and the governor want to damage a major employer in the State of Florida over a made up problem that disney respectfully disagreed with.


I think I read that North Carolina is courting Disney to move there from Florida. Now I doubt they do that because Politicians come and go and eventually, Florida will get a governor that actually understands Disneys value to the state..

You can do and think as you wish, but I'd think that if you wanna talk about greed, you gotta add big Pharma, Oil companies,, hell, energy related industries as a whole. You are doing that... you are going on and on about the Mouse. Good luck winning that battle...

Seems more like the attack on DeSantis continues.

Of course you’d see it that way. Defend the bully.

She has refused to do exactly that. This entire story is about how people, in this case DeSantis, use their political views as cause to attack businesses. In the case of DeSantis, he holds a lot of power to do so. Therefore it's only logical to explore why others who share that view about Disney are also politically motivated. Some people do not like any and all corporations that fit what Eve claims is her reasoning for her disdain of Disney. That would make their stand here understandable. Yet when asked if she feels that way about other corporations that fall into that same category she has decided to make it seem wrong to ask or somehow not part of the subject matter which of course it very much is the very heart of the issue.

People have seen and understand your tactics. It's exactly the way I've stated it is and your attempt to derail that isn't going to work here.

What has Disney done to DeSantis other than disagree with his don't say gay bill? Do you think it's somehow wrong to point out the ways DeSantis has attempted to target Disney in response to that? Maybe if he would stop attacking Disney people wouldn't be reporting about it?

You see, when people of power use that power to attack and go after private business it's newsworthy. You always talk about communism and socialism but never seem to address authoritarianism.

Thanks for you insight on the topic.

Pit and the Whatabouts.....they're here all week!

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Only this wasn't a whatabout and you know it. But keep trying. It's not going to change anything. Some people simply don't like businesses who have some different political beliefs. And those wishing to avoid that topic like the plague try to blame the person who brought it up rather than address the issue. You show who you are.

Ask yourself, who started it? DeSantis did... Disney disagreed with his take on things. He is now retaliating against Florida's largest employer because it disagrees with him.

But hey, saying Desantis is being attacked is just another in a long line of BS that republicans are peddling. Oh woe is me garbage. cry babies....

He should be in jail. Any left wing politician that has done what he has would be. Yeah whatabout his BS. Bring it on whatabout you? Whatever it’s BS you all protect the deplorable ones.

Hey deplorable Goper……..

Why do Goper’s hate parents and their children who simply want to have fun at a Disney resort?

Because someone might be gay. Duh.

I disagree.

It's because they accept that someone might be gay and they don't care.

LOL...I don't think you are an idiot, but you say some pretty idiotic things.

This post is dripping with irony.

Ron DeSantis loses again to Disney

The Florida governor’s fight with Disney has become a political liability. But he can’t afford to retreat.

Florida Republican Gov. DeSantis has been foiled by Disney once again.

The new board DeSantis appointed to oversee the company’s Orlando theme parks has discovered a new wrinkle in its plans. The board’s chairman said Wednesday that another “11th hour agreement” was signed before the board took over that allows Disney to set its own utility rates for its resorts through 2032. By that time, DeSantis, who is term-limited and cannot run for reelection in 2026, will be long gone.

It’s the latest development in the ever-expanding culture war between DeSantis and Disney executives, who angered the governor last year after they publicly opposed his “Don’t Say Gay” law, which prevents teachers from talking about LGBTQ+ issues or people. That fight escalated last month when it came to light that Disney had managed to quietly disenfranchise the new board without DeSantis’s allies taking notice, and has continued as the governor tries to clamp down on the company in retaliation.

DeSantis’s efforts to punish Disney for being “woke” have become a political headache, with his potential 2024 Republican presidential primary opponents, including former President Donald Trump and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, using it to go on the attack. But at this point, DeSantis is probably in too deep to retreat.

“Once you pick a fight with a bully, even though it starts to get troubling, you probably need to finish it,” said Robert Cahaly, senior strategist and pollster at the Trafalgar Group and a former Republican political consultant. “He needs to be able to say, ‘I did everything I could do. I didn’t quit because it got hot.’”

DeSantis has been trying to redeem himself in a public relations battle that he has so far been losing. Earlier this week, he announced new legislation to require additional inspections at Disney theme park rides and its monorail connecting its hotels and theme parks. He also suggested the new state board could convert land in and around the Orlando theme parks into a state park, a competing amusement park, or a state prison — and that the board should investigate raising taxes on Disney.

Meanwhile, Disney has been planning its first event to celebrate Pride Month at its California theme park, complete with themed entertainment and specialty menu items, in a return to the issue that first drew the governor’s ire. It follows the revelation last month that Disney lawyers schemed to strip the new board, appointed with DeSantis loyalists, of most of its governing powers.

DeSantis’s efforts to strike back might be enough to appease Republicans, who are highly animated against so-called “woke corporations” that embrace progressive racial and social justice policies. Cahaly said that Trafalgar’s polls have found most Republicans say they would be less likely to do business with such companies and less likely to buy their products, as evidenced by the recent conservative boycott of Bud Light.

“They don’t want corporations to be conservative,” Cahaly said. “They just want them to be nonpartisan and to stay out of politics.”

But DeSantis’s political opponents still see his feud with Disney as a vulnerability. “I don’t think Ron DeSantis is a conservative, based on his actions towards Disney,” said Christie, who is expected to make a decision in the coming weeks on whether to run, in an interview with Semafor Tuesday. Trump wrote in a post on his social network Truth Social that DeSantis is being “absolutely destroyed by Disney” and suggested that the company would be justified in leaving Florida.

Together with DeSantis’s drop in the polls, speculation in GOP circles that he may have waited too long to formally announce a 2024 run, and that even Florida Republicans are endorsing Trump over their governor, the continued tit-for-tat with Disney may stunt DeSantis’s presidential candidacy before it has even formally begun.

DeSantis has made his fight with Disney a pillar of his political identity

A key part of DeSantis’s pitch for the presidency is his willingness to take on so-called “woke” corporations, with Disney as the primary example. Being seen as having been defeated by such a corporation would weaken his candidacy. And it could boost other Republican candidates with more experience using anti-woke rhetoric to their advantage, like right-wing activist Vivek Ramaswamy, who kicked off his campaign in February and has been dubbed “the CEO of Anti-Woke, Inc.” by the New Yorker.

The governor’s battle with Disney is the subject of an entire chapter titled “The Magic Kingdom of Woke Corporatism” in DeSantis’s latest book, The Courage to Be Free. He writes about how he got married at Disney World, something he says was really his wife’s idea, not knowing that he would later be “squaring off against Disney in a political battle that would reverberate across the nation.”

DeSantis describes corporations like Disney as caving to the “woke gender theory” being pushed by the media by taking a stand on issues such as equal rights for LGBTQ+ Americans that he thinks they shouldn’t get involved in. And he writes about how he orchestrated a surprise session to eliminate Disney’s special tax status, which had allowed it to develop and maintain its properties in Orlando with relative independence — the “Florida equivalent of the shot heard ‘round the world.”

“Leaders must be willing to stand up and fight back when big corporations make the mistake, as Disney did, of using their economic might to advance a political agenda,” DeSantis writes.

That coup, of course, crumbled, with Disney turning the loss of its status into a win for the company. DeSantis claimed Tuesday that Disney has tried to “circumvent … the will of the people” in undermining the new board of the company’s special tax district. And his oversight board will reportedly soon unveil its plans to strip Disney of the powers it recently granted itself.

But it’s not clear that Florida voters ever really wanted DeSantis to take on Disney. The governor may have won reelection by nearly 20 percentage points and ushered in a red wave in Florida in 2022. But Disney, the state’s largest employer, still proved more popular than him across multiple polls in the last year.

Still, it’s consistent with DeSantis’s attempts to position himself as a leader in culture war battles including the one with Disney, but also on restricting abortion access and loosening gun restrictions.

“If he’s going to come across as a social issue warrior, he can’t give up a social issue fight,” Cahaly said.

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/4...fJBuAESLBA2QrbriyM99TFoJIFTdIWj-bwx84Qpg

North Carolina state senator wants Disney World to move to the Tar Heel State

“I welcome The Walt Disney Company and all other businesses seeking refuge from the culture war madness currently gripping the great state of Florida."

by Steve Doyle | Apr. 20, 2023

GREENSBORO, N.C. (WGHP) – If Walt Disney World needs a place to land after a fallout with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, North Carolina State Sen. Michael Garrett has an idea: Come on up to the Tar Heel State.

Garrett, a Democrat from Guilford County, has filed Senate Bill 594, the “Mickey’s Freedom Restoration Act,” to give Disney a place to move the Magic Kingdom, EPCOT Center, Disney’s Hollywood Studios, Animal Kingdom and all those other parks, hotels and golf courses.

DeSantis (R) has been feuding with Disney after the company opposed his so-called “Don’t Say Gay” legislation and then usurped his legislative move to take over the special taxing district that was created for the company in the 1960s.

DeSantis has promised to fight the legal maneuver, which saw Disney upend the board of special interests he had appointed to oversee that taxing district, essentially ensuring control while lawmakers were making their move. He has vowed there will be legal challenges, new laws, toll roads, withdrawal of some special exceptions, and this week talked about building more theme parks and a state prison next to Disney.

The company is among Florida’s largest private employers and most significant taxpayers, generating an estimated $75.2 billion in annual impact, Fortune reported. DeSantis’ actions have been criticized by some fellow Republicans.

Now Garrett, along with Sen. Chad Chaudhuri (D-Wake), the Senate minority whip, and Sydney Batch (D-Wake), who with Garrett are deputy Democratic caucus leaders, wants to study a plan to lure Disney to North Carolina and is asking for $750,000 starting in July to do so.

“North Carolina is a great place to do business,” Garrett said in a news release. “Politicians who put their state’s economy at risk to boost their own selfish political ambitions are a liability.

“In North Carolina, we’ve learned this lesson the hard way. When HB2, the so-called ‘bathroom bill’ passed, other states capitalized on our state’s disgraceful misstep.

“I welcome The Walt Disney Company and all other businesses seeking refuge from the culture war madness currently gripping the great state of Florida.”

Garrett, the father of two small children and resident of Greensboro, said in a text message that he is “trying to make Disney World more accessible and affordable to North Carolina families.”

He added that the bill would establish “a commission to identify sites, infrastructure investments and incentive packages that would be needed … similar to the process we use to identify megasites.”

“We haven’t spoke to Disney yet. They were just notified today of the legislation,” Garrett said.

Disney covers about 43 square miles in Central Florida, which is about the same size as the city of San Francisco. Through its Reedy Creek District, which includes two small municipalities, Disney controls public safety, roads, utilities and other expenses generally provided to cities and counties.

Central Florida — principally Orlando — also is home to more than 145,000 hotel rooms (second only to Las Vegas), and Disney is currently the largest attraction in the state.

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...ney-world-to-move-to-the-tar-heel-state/

When one stops to think about this from a big picture standpoint, it would make sense for another state to not only try to lure Disney there, but to also give them a huge financial incentive package to do so. I abhor corporate welfare on a personal level. Especially when the return on investment doesn't seem to line up with the investment made by a city or state. But when one looks at it, if other such corporations deserve such a handout, Disney most certainly does.

Disney averages 57,000 visitors a day. Universal Studios, another Disney owned theme park had 5.5 million visitors in 2021. Seaworld, another Disney property had over three million visitors in 2021. When one considers that entire families center their entire vacations around making the trip to Disney World, Seaworld and Universal Studios, they aren't just coming there for a single event and the vast majority of those visitors are traveling there for extended stays.

We see communities pay for baseball stadiums, football stadiums and other such complexes that pale in comparison to the tax dollars and daily business generated by a corporation like Disney. So if you're going to give a hand out to a multi billion dollar corporation, what better way to get a huge return on your investment than with a corporation like Disney?

Lol I really don’t think NC can supply enough hospitality and employees, not to mention the winter weather. Worth the threat though. DeStupid may change his tune.

NC already has Carowinds. They don't need another theme park.

Are you trying to say that Carowinds in any way rivals the billions of dollars that Disney does in regards to being a family destination place and the business it draws from outside the state? I hope not because I've never even heard of that place.

Lol Carowinds would be, Tom Sawyer’s island in a Disney park.

All kidding aside. There could be huge potential in a Disney seaside resort & port for their cruise ships.

Silly discussion anyway. NEVER will Disney spend 50-75 billion dollars to move 45 square miles of parks and entertainment to another state. Empty threat at best.

No. Now I see why people need to use purple. Sheesh you'd think it was obvious.

NC really only has half a Carowinds anyway.

Moving all their cruise ships a few hundred miles to the north to a beach golf resort & port in NC would cost Florida millions maybe billions in lost revenue. And then Disney could just ride out the DeStupid vs Disney storm in Florida to see what happens.

This. I think Desantis is being a petulant child - but Disney aren't going anywhere anywhere soon ... the only way that would ever happen is if someone as insecure and childish as Desantis is making decisions at Disney !

What I suspect may happen - Disney could literally pour $100's millions into supporting liberal politicians in the state. They've probably stayed well enough alone up to now. It'd be perfectly understandable for them to bank roll anyone and anything to oust Desantis. And I guess since we live in a free society everyone would be coolio with that.

I certainly think it's much more of a symbolic proposal rather than anything to be taken seriously. I didn't see anything about it that I would consider a threat by any party involved. That's why my comments on the matter were strictly pointed toward why I would understand other states wanting Disney to move there. I mean if one looks at it how would it not make sense?

Let's use the Browns stadium as an example. Taxpayers will be on the hook for well over a billion dollars for a new stadium that is used for 8 or 9 home games a year barring any playoff games. It won't be a dome stadium so there will be several months a year the stadium won't even be considered for any outdoor concerts or outdoor events. Disney attracts as many or more people to their Orlando attractions on average 365 days a year than the Browns do on game days. Often times when families go to Disney it's to see multiple Disney attractions and those families spend at least a week there and not a weekend like they would normally do for an NFL game or concert. Because of this Orlando is second in the nation in the number of hotels only to Las Vegas. I think it's quite odd for a politician to try and undermine a business that his state is so dependent on from an economic standpoint. And in regards to central Florida, Disney leaving would devastate the entire economy. It's a huge gamble for him to take but you are most likely correct that Disney isn't moving.

Unless of course someone makes them an offer they can't refuse. And I can see how that could happen given the huge shot in the arm they would provide to any state government.

I disagree. There is too much at stake for Disney to not look for options to move resources out of Florida. Anywhere, somewhere, just to start to send the message. Prepare to loose jobs and revenue.

YES. Since you can't move Disney World out of Florida, move all your cruise ships further away from Disney. That way they can scrap their exclusive, lucrative land and sea packages. Spend a few billion to "hit them where it hurts". I'm sure Florida will be crippled since it already owns 60% of America's cruise traffic.

They should hire you.

They should and probably have or will do some sort of research. But Fate's numbers probably aren't off the mark - it's literally Billions to move what they have in FL. It ain't happening.

Yeah I know Disney isn’t moving out of Florida. I also believe Disney has the leverage to cost Florida billions in lost revenue if they started a new park, of some sort, in a neighboring state. Regardless DeSantis is playing chicken with a tank.

Interesting thought and strategy, definitely makes more sense than threating to pack up your toys and go home find a new home.

Looks like Walt Disney Co spent about 3.5M last year on contributions. Only $58,000 on candidates in Florida. They spend way more on lobbyists (5.2 million)
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/walt-disney-co/summary?id=d000000128

They'd really have to beef up the spending as DeSantis raised over $25 million during his last campaign.

So what happens when DeStupid is re-elected governor or god forbid something else. Disney is toast, right?

I find it interesting that people that usually disagree with states/counties/city's offering tax incentives to move there, are now saying Disney should hit up N.C. for a sweetheart deal to move there.

Ironic. Oh, but the gov. of Florida is republican, so that makes it fine I guess?

j/c...

I think people are vastly overestimating Disney's "position of power".



Final Numbers Are In: Disney Lost over $120 Billion in 2022

Posted by: T.K. Bosacki January 1, 2023

The clock finally ran out in 2022, giving us a final tally on the damage The Walt Disney Company was dealt, and the results are not pretty.

Reports show that The Walt Disney Company lost $123 billion in market value in just the past year as its stock price closed the year down 44%. Down Jones Market Research shows 2022 to be The Mouse House’s worst year in its history since 1974, when the stock dropped a whopping 54%.

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Related: Disney Stock Drops to Eight-Year Low!

Disney’s stock performance made it the second-worst-performing company among the 30 companies that make up the Dow Jones Industrial Average. And these results manifest despite surface-level success stories like achieving the highest quarterly revenue for Disney Parks Experience and Products ever, becoming the first studio to cross the $4 billion box office number, including Avatar: The Way of Water hitting $1 billion globally in less than two weeks.

The fact of the matter is that Disney’s 2022 was plagued with bad news from its spat with Florida’s State Government, led by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, over legislation that has resulted in the loss of the Reedy Creek Improvement District to the discovery of unprecedented spending on the streaming side of the business that offset the Parks revenue and was paired with the news that Disney+ would not become profitable for at least another two years. Political bouts among fans over Disney’s “woke” policies were noticeably sprinkled throughout the year–even to be named “worst of the woke” for the second year in a row–and the Park experience has been marred by unruly Guests and higher costs for what the consensus has claimed to be lower quality. After all of this, it seems that there is very little faith, trust, and pixie dust left in Disney’s investor base. But, hopefully, the return of Bob Iger to the CEO position will help turn things around, and 2023 can signal the beginning of a return to better days at Disney.

https://www.disneyfanatic.com/final-numbers-are-in-disney-lost-over-120-billion-in-2022-tb1/#:~:text=The%20clock%20finally%20ran%20out,closed%20the%20year%20down%2044%25.

You obviously weren't paying attention but that's okay. From my pot above....


The fact that people don't like such handouts doesn't and won't stop them from happening. With the exception of Dallas where Jerry Jones paid for his own stadium, it happens to attract jobs and build stadiums for sports franchises in most major U'S. cities and states. There is nothing I or anyone else can do at this point in time to prevent it. At that point the comparison was made about return on such an investment.

But please, do go on.....

Typically large corporations are evil, unless siding with them allows you to rail about politicians, then they are just the victims.

Sometimes you just can't make up how fast the wind changes.

I guess that all depends on who you listen to.

Disney theme parks revenue continues to soar

ORLANDO, Fla. — Disney’s theme park division saw revenue soar in the fourth quarter of 2022, according to an earnings report released Tuesday.

The Parks, Experiences and Products division — which also includes Disney’s cruise line and merchandise business — generated $7.4 billion in revenue, up 36% from the same period last year.

Domestic parks — Walt Disney World Resort in Florida and Disneyland Resort in California — brought in $5 billion, a 44% increase, while the international parks reported $1.1 billion, according to the report.

Operating income for the parks division rose to $1.5 billion, more than double the prior year. Disney attributed that growth to increases in attendance and guest spending at its domestic parks as well as bookings on its newest cruise ship, the Disney Wish. During the investors call Tuesday, Disney CFO Christine McCarthy said that occupancy for the Wish has continued to exceed 90%. The ship launched in July with several new entertainment offerings, including a Star Wars-themed bar, a Marvel-inspired dining experience and the AquaMouse.

Genie+, the paid skip-the-line service, has also been a contributing factor in revenue increases at the park. The service, which was introduced last year, recently implemented variable pricing.

Guest spending growth was due to an increase in average per capita ticket revenue driven by the introduction of Genie+ and Lightning Lane in the first quarter of the current fiscal year,” Disney said in the earnings report.

McCarthy said the domestic parks delivered “significant” year over year revenue growth despite “an adverse impact of approximately $65 million to segment operating income from Hurricane Ian.”

Disney World theme parks were closed for two days because the storm. Earlier in the investors call, Disney CEO Bob Chapek thanked cast members in Florida who “kept guests safe and entertained” during the storm.

In addition to its fourth quarter earnings, Disney also released its results for the fiscal year. Revenue for the parks division was $28.7 billion, up 73% from the previous fiscal year, while operating income increased $7.9 billion for the fiscal year.

Looking ahead, Disney is set to kick off its company-wide 100th anniversary celebration in January. That same month, it will open Mickey & Minnie’s Runaway at Disneyland in California. A version of the attraction opened at Disney’s Hollywood Studios in March 2020. And in the spring, the company plans to open TRON Lightcycle Run at Magic Kingdom.

https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2022/11/08/disney-theme-parks-revenue-continues-to-soar

And sometimes even after it's been fully explained some people still don't get it while continuing to push a narrative that doesn't exist. And depending on which direction that wind is blowing from, it's rather stale and there's a very unpleasant aroma to it.

Gee, I wonder what could have contributed to that. Covid shutdown?

I don’t think we are. Like I said before, the florida gov is playing chicken with a tank.

Oh, the irony.

Market value is tied to the stock price. You want earnings.

Correct. Disney market value is not the same as theme park revenue. And theme park revenue isn't that only thing on the books for the market value of Disney.

j/c

I see a lot of posts trying to score points instead of discuss - but then, I guess no surprise.

Regards Disney and FL - and income generated for FL businesses, I guess it's a bit like the Super Bowl coming to your city, based on hotel occupancy, covers consumed/served at restaurants etc. They have a pretty good feel for the the boost to the economy.

I found this from 2021 - sorry if you don't like the source, feel free to find a different one. But it sites a 2019 stud y (before any of these shinanigans or covid took an impact or skewed someone's bias to report high or low)

A 2019 study found Disney dominates the Central Florida tourism industry, according to Oxford Economics, and produced:

$75.2 billion annual economic impact for Central Florida.
463,000 jobs.
$5.8 billion in additional state tax revenue.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/n...litical-power-50-years-later/5919720001/

Other than being a petulant child, there is no earthly reason for Desantis to be picking this fight.

Good stuff!

I think that's a good example of someone trying to score points, you even get a like for it. You think I was trying to score points against DeSantis with my comment? I actually thought you better than that. I'm on my phone but tomorrow I'll cut and paste you examples of exactly what I was talking about. Me offering my opinion on the Desantis is not scoring points. I think I can say with absolute certainty he's never going to read my opinion and post. but nice try and you got a light too awesome job

I think the whole Disney thing is a bit over blown.... I don't love that they've gone a bit woke... so I didn't watch Lightyear... probably won't watch some of their remakes.... but I'm going to Disney World in November and will have a fabulous time...

Is this what you brought to the discussion as some form of evidence? You might wish to look at what to look at the Covid restrictions, or should I say the lack there of in the state of Florida. After you do, get back to me.

The amount of information and discussion you add to this thread is amazing. All you have is a personal shot here and there while passing through and you think you actually accomplished something.

Disney won't move, it would take way longer to buy and develop something than to wait for Desantis' term to end in 2027.

Mickey is wearing brass knuckles....LOL

I don't think the idea of them moving is practical either.

So I made a comment about scoring points (against other posters) rather than talking about the discussion topic. As I said - no surprise because that happens a lot, it was just an observation (accurate). Maybe I am way off base but to my mind examples of "scoring points" would be posts like this:

"Good stuff! "

"Is this what you brought to the discussion as some form of evidence? "

"The amount of information and discussion you add to this thread is amazing"

"Oh, the irony."

"Sometimes you just can't make up how fast the wind changes."

"They should hire you."

--> I mean, no big deal because we see the same or worse in most threads. Shame on me for even mentioning it I guess, what was I thinking right because we see so much of it I didn't need to say anything?

Personally I think comments about other corporations in relation to Disney, comments about Desantis, even Arch's comment about tax incentives is mainly within the scope of the discussion. Unlike some of the board police who don't seem to want anything discussed other than the exact tittle of a thread, I think it's natural and organic to touch on a lot of other comparisons and factors on any topic. Take Pit asking whether someone's opinion of Disney as a greedy, entitled company is consistent with other companies from other industries ... I think that's 100% a natural question to respond with. Some wanted to call that "whatabout" . It's not dissimilar to someone asking if posters want the Biden's investigated/prosecuted when posters are talking about Trump and his legal woes - that's not a whatabout, it's a clarification to ask if someone's perspective is consistent or skewed by political agenda.

What you say is certainly true. Discussion ranks low on the list of many. I try to with those actually willing to have such discussions but at the same time I'm no less guilty of what you describe with those with which I know trying to have a meaningful discussion would be a waste of time. You have accurately pointed out what happens when I do.

We (virtually/most) all do - Sometimes it seems more prevalent than others. As I said - there was no need for me to point it out specifically on this thread and I wasn't expecting to change anything it was just an observation.

All he did was ask you a simple question and in typical righty fashion, you don't have a legit answer so you go on the attack....And you are wrong again.

Do you ever contribute anything of substance? All you do is attack and label the side you don't agree with. You're as tiresome as 2 others on here.

Oh the irony.

Hmmm.... Seems as though this may be something you should be asking yourself.

‘Weaponizing its power': Disney accuses DeSantis of retaliation in federal lawsuit

“Disney expressed its opinion on state legislation and was then punished by the State for doing so,” the lawsuit states.

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — The yearlong battle between Gov. Ron DeSantis and Disney will be fought in federal court.

The California-based entertainment giant filed a lawsuit in federal court Wednesday alleging that DeSantis and his hand-picked board retaliated against the company and violated Disney’s First Amendment rights, among other claims. Disney filed the lawsuit just minutes after a board appointed by the GOP governor voted to invalidate agreements giving Disney authority over its Florida-based theme parks.

“This government action was patently retaliatory, patently anti-business, and patently unconstitutional,” asserts Disney in the 77-page lawsuit filed in the Northern District of Florida. “But the Governor and his allies have made clear they do not care and will not stop.”

“Disney now is forced to defend itself against a State weaponizing its power to inflict political punishment,” the lawsuit states.

The two opposing moves Wednesday represent an escalation in the ongoing battle between the Florida governor and Disney. The fight was sparked last year after Disney publicly criticized Florida’s Republican-controlled Legislature for approving a bill banning teachers from leading classroom lessons on gender identity and sexual orientation, known by opponents as the “Don’t Say Gay” bill.

DeSantis, who supported the legislation and signed it into law, later pushed Florida lawmakers to strip Disney of its self-governing status that the company enjoyed for decades at its central Florida theme parks. Disney remains one of Florida’s biggest employers, with more than 70,000 employees at its theme parks near Orlando.

The governor also previously appointed a new board to oversee Disney’s Florida district. But in a surprise move last February, the Central Florida board that had been controlled by Disney quietly approved a pact that gave Disney authority over its parks. The DeSantis administration only learned about the agreement in March and scrambled to respond.

Some Republicans criticized DeSantis over the Disney flap, claiming that the governor — who is expected to jump into the 2024 presidential race — was outmaneuvered by the corporation. Former President Donald Trump, who already announced his presidential bid and is known for fighting with rivals, called DeSantis’ feud with Disney a “political stunt” and lamented that the entire episode is unnecessary.

On Wednesday, the DeSantis-appointed Central Florida Tourism Oversight District Board of Supervisors, during a meeting in Lake Buena Vista, voted to invalidate the February pact in an attempt to wrestle back control of Disney. But that move may be on hold as the lawsuit winds its way through the courts.

Former Florida Supreme Court Justice Alan Lawson, an attorney hired by the district, said that the old board attempted to act without the legal authority to act.

“Everyone must play by the same rules,” Lawson said. “Disney was openly and legally granted unique and special privilege, that privilege of running its own local government for a time. That era has ended.”

Jeremy T. Redfern, deputy press secretary for DeSantis, responded to questions in an email stating: “We are unaware of any legal right that a company has to operate its own government or maintain special privileges not held by other businesses in the state. This lawsuit is yet another unfortunate example of their hope to undermine the will of the Florida voters and operate outside the bounds of the law.”

Representatives of Disney did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

In its lawsuit, Disney stated that it regretted that the ongoing fight has led to a federal lawsuit.

“Governor DeSantis and his allies paid no mind to the governing structure that facilitated Reedy Creek’s successful development until one year ago, when the Governor decided to target Disney,” the lawsuit states. “There is no room for disagreement about what happened here: Disney expressed its opinion on state legislation and was then punished by the State for doing so.”

The lawsuit repeatedly claims that DeSantis targeted Disney and is punishing the company for speaking out against the “Don’t Say Gay” bill. It adds that DeSantis and the new board are violating Disney’s constitutional and the First Amendment rights, adding that once the “political story” was set, the retaliation only became worse, the lawsuit read.

“Indeed, Governor DeSantis has reaffirmed, again and again, that the State campaign to punish Disney for its speech about House Bill 1557 has been a coordinated and deliberate one from the start,” according to the lawsuit. “Disney’s commentary on House Bill 1557 was, he claimed, a ‘declaration of war’ and ‘a textbook example of when a corporation should stay out of politics.’”

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/...Uh6-azr06cjoaW4017Br06ppDGxkMFGolvFZOLYE

Only a paranoid syco would think Disney declared war by speaking out on a house bill. What a moroon DeSantis is. He’s making it so easy for the criminal don.

What's really odd is that the republicans want you to think that Corporations are people., Apparently up until a corporation disagrees with a republican

Now in a world that recognizes Citizen United, and the concept of corporate free speech, Disney just may have a legitimate case.

Unintended consequences…

Indeed.
2011. Willard Romney: "Corporations are people, my friend-"

Now, these 'people' are speaking with a megaphone that Citizen's United gave them.

Just clicking


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ki-Haley-says-Disney-SOUTH-CAROLINA.html

Not for noting, but Desantis is foolish how he handled this situation.

j/c:

j/c

DeSantis responds to Disney lawsuit: 'I think it's political'

The Florida governor made the comments while visiting Jerusalem.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday that he doesn't think Disney's lawsuit against him "has merit."

"I think it's political," DeSantis said during a press conference in Jerusalem as he visited Israel.

"Do you want one company to have their own fiefdom, or do you want everyone to live under the same laws?" he added. "The days of putting one company on a pedestal with no accountability are over in the state of Florida."

Disney, the parent company of ABC News, filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Florida on Wednesday against DeSantis and various state officials over a campaign the company alleges was "patently retaliatory, patently anti-business, and patently unconstitutional."

The lawsuit follows the state oversight board's decision to void "publicly noticed and duly agreed development contracts which had laid the foundation for billions of Disney's investment dollars and thousands of jobs," according to the legal filing. The company's lawsuit called the move "a targeted campaign of government retaliation -- orchestrated at every step by Gov. DeSantis as punishment for Disney's protected speech -- now threatens Disney's business operations, jeopardizes its economic future in the region, and violates its constitutional rights."

DeSantis, who is expected to launch a 2024 presidential campaign in the coming months, embarked on an international trade mission on Monday that will take him to Europe, Asia and the Middle East. He is leading a Florida delegation to Israel, Japan, South Korea and the United Kingdom to meet with government and business leaders.

The Florida governor has been at odds with Disney since the company publicly criticized a DeSantis-backed controversial state law that restricts content concerning sexual orientation and gender identity in grades kindergarten through third grade. The Parental Rights in Education Law has been dubbed by critics as the "Don't Say Gay" law who argue it paints LGBTQ topics as taboo or inappropriate. Meanwhile, supporters of the law say it allows parents to decide what their children can learn about certain subjects.

After DeSantis signed the bill into law in March 2022, Disney released a statement citing concerns of discrimination, saying the legislation "should never have passed and should never have been signed into law." DeSantis has since aimed to take control over Disney's special tax district that allows the Florida theme park and resort to govern itself, according to the company’s lawsuit. The Florida Legislature voted to dissolve the former governing board of the district and create a DeSantis-appointed Central Florida Tourism Oversight District in its place. The board voided a contract made before the CFTOD was in place, according to the lawsuit.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/desantis-...B3aMnHi_i5TS1p2aL_xH98zCPvniHbtSMSQE-XI0

He's right, it is 100% political. But he is trying to imply that Disney is the one making it political when that is really all on him.

I don’t think you can just blame the governor for making it political. The Disney execs have misrepresented this bill from the beginning. In doing so they picked a political side. The governor will have to defend his stance in court. Something that I have no idea how it will turn out.

Sorry, this post was meant for Jester, not Pit

I'm just curious who you think it is that made railing against the rights of the gay community political? And why do you consider standing up for the rights of all Americans political? And in case you missed it, the only one involved in all this that actually hold any position to use politics as a weapon is DeSantis. So is it your contention that a politician should be able to use his political position of power to use that power against anyone who disagrees with his politics? Because that is what happened here. He made no actions against Disney until they publicly disagreed with his political stance. So people and businesses should fear political punishment by those in power for speaking out in disagreement?

Show me where in the bill he is railing against the rights of gay people. The bill (if I remember correctly) is about talking about sexuality to young kids. That includes heterosexuals. Calling it “Don’t say gay” is disingenuous. Disney took that Democratic talking point and ran with it.

As far as what my contention is… I didn’t state one. He is being sued and will have to defend his actions in court. I have no idea how that will turn out.

Did you realize that bill had been expanded to include through grade 12?

So-called 'Don't Say Gay' rules expanded through 12th grade in Florida

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/called-dont-gay-rules-expanded-12th-grade-florida/story?id=98691183

So making a law where teachers can't discuss anything about being gay shouldn't be called "Don't say Gay"? How would you say that's disingenuous?

Then when you look at DeSantis taking over control of liberal colleges in the state, the picture becomes quite clear....

Gov. DeSantis’ conservative takeover of a liberal arts college could silence diversity, critics say

In January, DeSantis replaced six of the 13 members on the college's board of trustees with conservative allies, including Christopher Rufo, who has fueled the fight against critical race theory. The new board forced out the college's president and appointed DeSantis' ally Richard Corcoran as interim president.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/us/desantis-new-college-inclusion-reaj/index.html

It isn't a question of if DeSantis is using his political power as a means to attack those he disagrees with at any level. That part of it is obvious. The questions only end at where and when will this all be stopped and at what point do people stop making silly excuses for it.

If he is just targeting gay people it would be wrong. He isn’t. Outside of sex Ed classes we don’t need teachers discussing this stuff. I believe the bill states that sex Ed is still ok.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with Disney. Since I have an opinion on that I will answer you. I’ll condemn DeSantis when you condemn the countless college boards who push radical political policies on our children. My son had to lie about what he believed to get through college because of the unhinged ultra left wingers that run higher education.

Here's the difference. College "kids" as you put it aren't "kids" at all. They are legal adults. I would love for you to explain what he had to "lie about" to get through college. Do you mean to actually pass a class or graduate? Or do you mean in order to get along with his classmates? And what "radical political policies" do you claim he had to agree with to get through college?

And "the rest of it"? That has to do with pointing out a pattern that DeSantis is using to use is power to punish anyone that holds any liberal beliefs that differ from his own. A huge part of this very discussion. He's done it in other cases just like he is doing with Disney.

I’m not going to go into details because of my son’s privacy. I shouldn’t have mentioned him because I don’t hide my identity on here. I just get pissed when I think about it. I will go as far to say he is a moderate to liberal when it comes to social issues. I can say it was to pass multiple classes.

I don’t give a crap about DeSantis. I take issue with Disney and those who misrepresented this bill. I voted for Biden as a vote against Trump and will probably have to do it again. My primary vote as of now is going to Nikki Haley. That might change as well.

For me it's not about DeSantis or Disney per say. It's about the precedent it sets and wondering if he'll get away with it. And if he does, where will it all end?

Thanks for your reply concerning your son. I don't blame you for not getting into personal details on the internet.

I think we may be more alike than you think we are. If we are left with a choice between Biden and trump I will probably have to hold my nose ad vote Biden again and that sucks. Both parties should be doing better in giving us practical choices than the same clusterf.... they gave us in 2020.

P it just doesn't matter,,, DeSantis signed a bill, Disney objected to it.. DeSantis took offense to their objection and then he turned it into a pissing contest.

So when it comes to who made it political, it was clearly DeSantis. He's as big a baby as Trump.. Cry Baby brothers. You can spin it anyway you want, doesn't change who was political.

As for Disney, They voiced a objection, that's it. It could have ended there if not for the Cry Baby

Freedom of speech is dead because of Goper BS like this.

DeSantis is facing a tough battle with Woke Disney. I wish him luck and I admire his courage in fighting the good fight, though. Disney had absolutely no business opposing the Parental Rights in Education Act that he signed into law. There is no reason to indoctrinate that type of talk into grades K through 3. Disney's political stances are out of line. Not long ago, Liz Thomas, the transgender swimmer, was celebrated by ESPN [owned by Disney] during Women's History month. Folks can be folks, but we don't need Disney forcing this stuff down our throats.

You must have forgotten that the SCOTUS says corporations are people too. That's the funny thing about people. They love something until it turns around and bites them in the ass. Then? They claim it's offensive and wrong. As I said in another post, it's no wonder the right isn't using the terms snowflake and cancel culture like they used to.

Disney has the right to freedom of speech, and ultimately will likely prevail in its suit.

It is not a good fight in my view. It is mean spirited, vindictive, and a culture war issue.

No one is forcing you to buy anything from Disney.

I have stated my views on the transgender issue elsewhere.

From this article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...l-children-wants-diverse-characters.html

Okay. Fine. Still not sure why K-3 students need to learn about transgenders. I agree w/DeSantis that forcing one's sexual preferences on others is not something we need in our schools.

For the record, I was opposed to Character Education being taught in schools. I think wise teachers can provide guidance on making sound character decisions, but I don't think it should be part of the actual curriculum. I remember thinking that I did not want my children exposed to some wild talk from some fire and brimstone Baptist. Creating an environment of acceptance and tolerance is a good thing. Making them part of the curriculum is something I do not agree with. I understand that position is quickly ridiculed by the extremists on both sides, but I am going to give my opinion whether they like it or not.

Anyone that knows anything about hiring practices knows that quotas such as the one described are discriminatory in nature.

More about the "why" of it.

Disney heir comes out publicly as transgender, condemns anti-LGBTQ bills

Charlee Corra, a high school science teacher, regrets not having done more to advocate against Florida’s bill limiting LGBTQ classroom discussion.


April 11, 2022, 3:07 PM EDT
By Jo Yurcaba

Charlee Corra, a member of the Disney family, came out publicly as transgender and condemned anti-LGBTQ bills in a recent interview.

Corra, who uses "he" and "they" pronouns, announced that their family would match up to $250,000 in donations to the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest LGBTQ advocacy group, during the organization's annual gala in Los Angeles last month.

Roy P. Disney, Corra's stepfather and the grandson of Roy O. Disney, a co-founder of The Walt Disney Company, upped that amount to $500,000 last week.

“Equality matters deeply to us,” Disney said in a statement, according to the Los Angeles Times, “especially because our child, Charlee, is transgender and a proud member of the LGBTQ+ community.”


Florida governor DeSantis targets Disney over 'Don't Say Gay' law
APRIL 4, 202202:41
Disney also said the family was "heartbroken" when Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed the Parental Rights in Education Act, which critics have dubbed the "Don't Say Gay or Trans" bill because it prohibits classroom instruction of sexual orientation or gender identity with students in grades K-3 or in a way deemed developmentally or age inappropriate.

Corra, a high school biology and environmental science teacher, told the L.A. Times that the HRC gala was sort of a public coming out for them, since they had come out privately as trans four years ago.

Corra, who has been widely referred to as Charlee Disney in news reports, said that even though they have a lot of support and privilege, their journey has been difficult.

“I had very few openly gay role models,” Corra, 30, said. “And I certainly didn’t have any trans or nonbinary role models. I didn’t see myself reflected in anyone, and that made me feel like there was something wrong with me.”

Corra, who told the Times that they don't have much experience with public speaking or advocacy, lamented that they "don't do very much to help."

“I don’t call senators or take action," they said. "I felt like I could be doing more.”

They condemned anti-LGBTQ bills, and noted that LGBTQ kids already deal with higher rates of depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts and bullying.



OUT NEWS
Gay fans who want to visit Disney say DeSantis' policies loom over 'the happiest place on earth'
“Then to put something like this law on top of that? They can’t learn about their community and their history at school, or play sports or use the bathroom they want to use?” they told the L.A. Times.

The Walt Disney Co. came under fire after The Orlando Sentinel reported in February that the company had donated to every sponsor and co-sponsor of the Parental Rights in Education bill. Bob Chapek, Disney's CEO, said in a staff email last month that he and the company’s leadership “unequivocally stand” with LGBTQ employees, but he didn’t condemn the bill, arguing that corporate statements “do very little to change outcomes or minds,” CNN reported.

On March 11, after criticism from employees internally, Chapek announced that the company would pause all political donations in Florida and apologized for his first statement in a letter published on Disney’s website.

“It is clear that this is not just an issue about a bill in Florida, but instead yet another challenge to basic human rights,” he wrote. “You needed me to be a stronger ally in the fight for equal rights and I let you down. I am sorry.”


Roy P. Disney said his family wanted to make a donation in part because the Human Rights Campaign refused to accept a $5 million donation announced by Chapek last month. Joni Madison, the group’s interim president, said that HRC wants to see Disney “build on their public commitment and work with LGBTQ+ advocates to ensure that dangerous proposals, like Florida’s ‘Don’t Say Gay or Trans’ bill, don’t become dangerous laws, and if they do, to work to get them off the books.”

Sheri Disney, Charlee's mother, said the matching donation was meant to remind people that LGBTQ children need support.

“I have a trans kid, and I love my kid no matter what,” she told the L.A. Times.

CORRECTION (April 11, 2022, 2:15 p.m. ET) A previous version of this article misstated the surname of a Disney family member. Their name is Charlee Corra, not Charlee Disney.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out...nder-condemns-anti-lgbtq-bills-rcna23888

It is called Freedom of Speech, and is protected, just as yours and mine.

I did not even make a comment on it. I'm permitted to post articles and opinions even if they upset you. Look man.....I don't care for you and have no interest in discussing things w/you. You can honor that or continue to follow me around like Pit and 888 do and challenge everything I say, even if you have to fabricate something I never even said. Your choice.

You made your intentions were made known when you started with Woke Disney

100%

There seems to be some constant tug-of-war to remove any semblance of power from parents and entrust it with the woke state.

I didn't even trust anyone but family to babysit until my kids were about 10-12... Why would it be okay for a state sponsored shill to teach them about sex... and try to beat their agenda of endless genders and pronouns into their heads... at 6, 7, and 8??

It's ironic that the same people griping about the Ten Commandments being posted in school are defending Disney's attack on Florida's law. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the Ten Commandments should be posted in the schools, but teaching this stuff to K-3rd graders is also unacceptable.

The problem with this discussion is that there are 2 different issues being discussed.

You are discussing whether or not you agree with what Disney said.
Others are discussing their right to say it without being persecuted by the government for saying it.

This is the basic principle of the 1st amendment.
We don't have to like what someone says, but just because we don't like it doesn't give the government the right persecute you for it. That is exactly what DeSantis is doing. And that is exactly what censorship is.

I have seen statements made repeatedly about "teaching" kids K-3rd grade - 6,7,8 years old - about sexuality. . . . but I don't believe that was the case, and never was. It is not part of a curriculum - it is not "taught" - I believe there might be literally a handful of cases where teachers have been reprimanded or called out for discussing the subject.

Maybe it's a minor detail or doesn't matter to some. But repeating statements as if this was a wide spread school activity by Woke teachers is misleading.

They can say what they want. I am not insinuating that there should not be freedom of speech. I'm saying that the law was passed legally and I support DeSantis defending his legislation against those who attack him.

My stance on these issues is solid, unlike certain members of the Left who change their opinions depending upon which side is saying what. I agreed that the Ten Commandments not be posted in schools. I said I don't think Character Education should be part of the curriculum. No one fights those stances, but dare anyone say anything negative about sexuality being taught to young children and the Woke get upset. More hypocrisy from the left.

I think that there should be a minimum age to discuss sexuality in the schools.
I am not a parent nor a teacher so I don't have a good idea what that age should be, so I won't comment on it.


Florida passed a law legally - we agree on that
Where we disagree is:

1, You think Disney attacked desantis, I think they criticized him and his legislation
2, You think desantis is defending his legislation, I think he is ruthlessly attacking disney in retribution for stating their opinion

I think the words "attack" and "attacking" are subjective in regards to one's beliefs. I really don't think each side is attacking one another. I think they both have their beliefs and are actively defending them. Personally, I agree w/DeSantis on the legislation. That doesn't mean I'm right. We just disagree on this particular topic. I'm fine w/that.

Who is forcing anyone to be transexual? And it appears you haven't been keeping up...........

Florida Board of Education approves ‘Don’t Say Gay’ expansion

The change would ban lessons about sexual orientation and gender identity in grades K-12.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out...on-requested-desantis-approved-rcna80467

You used the opinion of one Disney executive to try and portray Disney's stand on the matter.

One has to wonder who the extremists really are. And others will give their opinions whether you like it or not as well.

Aw, obviously you don't like how message boards work. When someone posts an opinion or a source, people that disagree post opposing opinions and sources. Your choice? Ignore anything that opposes your opinion. Claim they're the one with the problem. Sorry, if you're going to post here people you don't like or refuse to debate with will respond in kind. You don't get special privileges.

The Citizens United Supreme Court ruling stated that corporations are people. That they can contribute as much as they like to political candidates and causes. That's exactly what Disney did here whether you like the cause or not. That is protected under law. DeSantis in turn used his political power to punish them for it. That's the part you're ignoring in all of this. You seem to try and excuse DeSantis for using his political power to "punish a person" for speaking and exercising their rights under the law. That's the actual bottom line in all of this.

Please explain. I'm really interested in knowing how I was "repeating statements as if this was a wide spread school activity by Woke teachers".

After you answer that, understand the "tug-of-war" idea and how that might work if you were a concerned parent. IF you feel like the curriculum is off the tracks AND you're fighting back... aren't you going to bring into focus a host of things you find unacceptable even if they aren't, as you say, "widespread"? I mean, if there are couple stabbings at your local mall, they're not just going to outlaw knives; they're probably going to outlaw other weapons... and make a few other rules as well. I think maybe you're seeing the same kind of foresight with many parents seeing things that maybe aren't taking place at their school, but they've seen at others.

With that word salad out, I'll say this. I really don't care if it's happening all over the states or not. The litmus test for me is that nearlyeveryone on the left is still toeing the line saying it is entirely acceptable. At that point, does "widespread" really matter?

I truly wish the moderators on this board would put a rule in place that disallows the intentionally misrepresentation of what others are saying. It's obvious that certain posters make a daily habit out of this practice to steer the conversation in another direction and to get others to believe that was the original poster's intent. It's a low-character act that does not belong in open forums. State your opinion and disagree all you want. However, to deliberately lie about what one's message is and sneakily twist the words around is harmful, counterproductive, manipulative, dishonest, and a detriment to honest conversation. Most of us know that only a couple of posters resort to that particular type of posting. It should not be too hard to contain. I guarantee that honest conversation would improve if they were not permitted to continue w/such underhanded tactics. We don't have to agree on subjects to have a decent discussion. Opposing opinions are a good things. Lies and deceit intended to stifle the opinions of others is not.

I want to clarify something. The actual name of DeSantis legislation is the Parental Rights in Education Act. The Left is the one who came up w/the name "Don’t Say Gay" in a dishonest attempt to throw shade at the legislation. I actually posted the name of the legislation earlier even if some want to ignore it.

The answer here is quite simple as it has been all along. There is no need for "a war against woke". As has been shown, the goal all along, and has now been accomplished, was to have all children grades k-12 not be taught anything about the gay or trans community. Yet it is a fact of life and they do live among other people. No different really than any other group.

What happens when you ban something from being taught, or even talked about in schools, is that not only have you made your choice that your children not be taught about it, but you've taken away the rights and choices of other parents that do want their children educated about it. At that point it's not about it being a choice. It's about making it a moral mandate for everyone.

A common sense solution is making such classes as this and CRT electives. There are often seven or eight periods in a school day. Some of the classes students take are elective classes which are optional courses not required to graduate. Classes such as music classes, shop classes, home economic classes and so on. At least where I went to school, and there's no reason why this couldn't be done, is the parents have to sign off to approve their children's school class schedule.

That's what choice looks like. That's what not having your children taught classes you don't approve of looks like. That's not what's going on here.

Yes DeSantis tried hiding the intent of his actions with a clever name. That was no less disingenuous than what you accused the left of doing.

There is no misrepresenting on what you said and what you implied. That's just your standard deflection instead of owning what you said and write - repeatedly in black and white. You claim others are liars when they repeat or clarify what you put into words on this very board. You do it endlessly. This is as clear as an example as there is.

Fate - you said something about teaching kids sexuality once, the other 4 examples all imply that this is curriculum and being actively taught. Sorry if you felt I was taking your one statement out of context.

I don't know about the "Left" - but I don't agree with sexuality being "taught" or discussed in a classroom for kids K-3rd grade. I don't know who is advocating for it, but I know Desantis's bill has been expanded to include much older age ranges now. I don't know what the right age would be to discuss this at school- maybe 10. Raising kids in 2023 - I'd say it's not unlikely that kids at 10 today are as "worldly" as a 13 year old kid growing up in the 80's. They know much more than we ever did at a comparative age. I'm not saying it's right - I am saying it's just fact. From exposure to kids with older siblings, bus rides, talk in the play ground ... it is just how it is. And to take it even further I don't know that it should be "taught" as part of curriculum at ages below 13 - but I think there probably needs to be some awareness and ability for kids to come forward and if they want to discuss the topic(s) in school or in a class if THEY want to. I would imagine having some sort of outlet to discuss it might be important for any kid who feels different.

The fake outrage over "don't say gay" is a constant exercise in exaggeration. The bill has always been about K-3, don't know what you're talking about with K-12. That's simply a false narrative.

Then we go "snowflake"... The poor kids will never learn about all 75 genders if we don't teach them about them in kindergarten?? GTHOH. Parents can teach their kids anything they want, or is that too heavy a burden for today's parent? No one's being "cheated" if they're not being taught to question their own gender before they can tie their shoes. This whole discussion should be in a fairytale fictional follow up to 1984.

Parents and governments have been struggling with the content of public school education since public education started. This is just the latest topic in a long list of issues. Some of the prior issues

Prayer
Evolution versus intelligent design
Sex ed
Book banning

All of these topic generally involve exposure, with the underlying issue of what should be taught in school. Sex ed was a hot topic at one point in time with those against fearful that it would encourage such activity among those being informed. That is most likely perception versus reality. But here is the underlying issue. Those who are against exposure are more likely not to educate the child if the responsibility was taken out of the school.

I think there should be a balance and providing the accurate information is important. Yes there is sex in the world. Yes there are children with two parents that are the same sex, and that is a thing.

Being pragmatic and realistic about these issues is more appropriate than wishing them away. If the parent feels so strongly about the exposure, they may better off with home schooling.

Normally helicopter parenting is view in a liberal light but I will suggest that this is the conservative variant. But this is also about the educational needs of all children versus your child and should the basis of content should be based on what is best for all.

Watch an old school movie called Future Shock” from the 1970’s with Orsen Wells for some dated perspective.

What part of this are you having trouble understanding...

Florida Board of Education expands ‘Don’t Say Gay’ classroom ban to all grades

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...dont-say-gay-classroom-ban-to-all-grades

It has most certainly been expanded through grade 12. How is an actual law expanding the law through grade 12 a false narrative? That was the goal from the very beginning.

And if you're going to talk about a false narrative, let's do that.

Where was any of this being taught in grades k-3 in Florida prior to that legislation? You seem to fail to understand that DeSantis decided to make it appear like this was something that was going on that needed to be stopped. When in fact it wasn't happening at all. It was a false flag and designed to make it sound like there was an issue that simply didn't exist to begin with.


Who said anyone wanted to teach them to question their own gender? So then you yourself paint a false narrative and expect people to just buy into it while you accuse others of creating a false narrative? Once again, nobody was teaching k-3 about transgenders or the gay lifestyle. Yet obviously he did create a false sense of outrage by people such as yourself as though it was actually happening and the poor children needed to be protected from it.

And yet again you think the choice of some parents should be inflicted on everyone. Who is the snowflake here?

As I stated before, you could make such things an elective class that would give parents the choice of whether their children learn about such things or not. It's not that difficult. But then as we can see that isn't acceptable because that wouldn't allow some people to inflict their beliefs on everyone else. That would be at the high school level.

expanding the law critics call “Don’t Say Gay” - from your article.

And, also from your article: "The rule change would ban lessons on sexual orientation and gender identity from grades 4-12, unless required by existing state standards or as part of reproductive health instruction that students can choose not to take. Florida currently bans such lessons in kindergarten through third grade."

So, it appears they did exactly what you want? From your opinion: "As I stated before, you could make such things an elective class that would give parents the choice of whether their children learn about such things or not"

I guess that would depend on whether such things are "required by existing state standards or as part of reproductive health instruction" currently. Something it doesn't say.

Just quit. I quoted the part you agreed would be fine. " "The rule change would ban lessons on sexual orientation and gender identity from grades 4-12, unless required by existing state standards or as part of reproductive health instruction that students can choose not to take."

Your quote: "As I stated before, you could make such things an elective class that would give parents the choice of whether their children learn about such things or not. It's not that difficult."

Correct, it's not that difficult, and apparently is in the bill. You got what you endorsed, but now you're moving the goalposts again?

But the law does not say that it will be taught in schools. What it does is give schools the option of teaching it. There is nothing that states it must be an option for Florida students in all Florida schools. I understand you can't see the difference there. Unless of course you can point to any state laws in Florida that "require by existing state standards " that it be taught or be required to be a part of reproductive health instruction.

That most certainly doesn't give parents a choice of their children learning about it if there is no requirement to teach it in the first place. In order for parents to have a choice whether this is taught to their children would require it has being a choice that's available to them.

Unless you can point to a Florida law that requires such matters to be taught or show that a local school system can elect not to make such lessons a part of their instructional learning in reproductive health, it's nothing more than an opt out clause which allows schools to omit it being taught at all.

That does not address this at all... "As I stated before, you could make such things an elective class that would give parents the choice of whether their children learn about such things or not. It's not that difficult."

It's not me moving the goalpost here. It's you claiming the law gives all parents in Florida the option of their children having an actual choice in the matter. It certainly does not.

This post is just more proof that you are here to argue. Period.

I would say that gay sexual orientation is not covered under reproductive health since gay sex cannot result in reproduction. I guess it is not a huge problem since kids are going to understand what gay means since it is part of our culture, but I see no problem with having some material about gay sex in school. Some of these students are going to be gay, after all.

I think we really need to separate the trans stuff from the gay stuff in this. Most people were doing okay with the gay stuff until the trans stuff started to show up more recently. I am certainly okay with it being part of everyday discussions in school.

But, I personally, do not want them teaching this gender identity stuff in school. I consider a persons gender identity and their concept of gender identity to be entirely imaginary. I see no basis in reality for any of it, so it does not belong in school. The consequence of this that I have seen is that we are having an explosion in changing identities among teenagers and some even take imaginary identities to a new level. In our local high school, we now have two kids that identify as "furries". They are disrupting their classes by being allowed to meow and purr. The school had to put litter boxes in the bathroom. Of course, any sane person knows that teenagers will do things like this to get attention or just for the fun of being disruptive, but this is the type of giant absurdity that can arise out of teaching children that imaginary identities are normal and acceptable.

I think some need to actually read the bill, it is more about parents being informed of these topics before they are presented in an unstructured manner.



https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF

That's asking a lot when people can simply regurgitate phrases spoon fed to them in the media like parrots.

You support him defending his legislation, but do you support him Attacking his critics? That's the definition of Anti-Free Speech.

Not for nothing, but I was watching HGTV yesterday,, some interesting shows there. Anyway, I saw two ads for DeSantis for President 2024.. Anyone else seeing these ads

I never once said anything about limiting free speech. That is something Pit made up to slander my name. He does it all the time. Just like he made this comment on page 3 to me: "Who is forcing anyone to be transexual?" I never came close to making such an outrageous claim. This is the danger that exists when someone lacks enough integrity to know it's wrong to slander people.

I said that I supported DeSantis legislative bill. The left dubbed it the "Don't Say Gay bill." More blasphemy. The name of the bill is the "Parental Rights in Education."

And again, I have been very consistent on these subjects. I opposed Character Education, the Ten Commandments in schools, and now the gender thing in K-3.

Then what does this mean? You stated plainly that they were "forcing one's sexual preferences on others". Informing people about the trans community isn't forcing their sexual preference on anyone.

This post shows you obviously wish to dismiss opposing views by trying to undermine the poster rather than engage in debate.

Ha - I just realized that someone claimed others were lying about what they actually said. I cut and paste the quotes of said poster to show that no-one did any such thing.

Same poster then started talking about the board not protecting him from slander - that said poster said they were going to keep all the slanderous posts and find someone that might do something about it.

Poof - all gone. Now poster is talking about slander again .... on an anonymous chat board. Pretty unbelievable if you ask me. But then see my signature.

More lies to undermine people who disagree with you. Typical by some of you.

What I did was explain a Supreme Court ruling, Citizens United which ruled that corporations were people and as such had free speech to speak out and fund political issues. What you are doing by supporting DeSantis political attack on Disney is approving of politicians using their power to punish Disney for exercising their constitutional rights. That is approving that Florida has the right to punish Disney for exercising free speech. You call that "standing up to them."

When it comes to the Ten commandments. The constitution also guarantees freedom of religion. Not that the teachings or scripture from a book that represents the Christian religion be placed above all others.

Try telling the truth for a change.

He has been persecuted and singled out by the powers that be around here for years with a set of double standards. Just ask him.

DeSantis is contemplating making a run at the presidency. The battle w/Disney will probably hurt him due to all the clout they have. However, he served in the military and was deployed to Iraq in 2007. He worked his way through college and law school. He attended Yale. He's battled the establishment and the woke agenda. He's beat them at times. I think he is more likely to stand up for the rights of most Americans than anyone else. Hopefully, he is smarter than Trump in that he makes sure he is clear about that White Supremacy is a bad thing. The heart of America does not like extremists. I would have to learn more about him, but at this point, I I would vote for him over Trump or Biden. I admire his courage for standing strong in his beliefs of protecting our children from the madness of the day.

It appears you also approve of him using his political power against a corporation exercising their rights as the Supreme Court ruled. But I guess whatever it takes in a "war against the woke".

I’ll just add this to the discussion, and the vast majority won’t care. Before Trump and his followers got so powerful, people were starting to treat people like me with a bit of, if not respect, just leaving us alone. That has changed big time. As many people know on the board, I was never a democrat fan, but this new wave of the the right behaving the way they are, is affecting those of us who are just trying to live our lives. I know most don’t care, because it doesn’t affect them. But, I will tell you all, things have have changed for some us.

Jules....you know I like you and I know you like me.

I think most left you alone and decided that love is good, no matter where you find it.

This trans crap isn't about love. I regret that you may be drawn back in to that. They are different issues.

I will say it bothers me you don't see heterosexuals kissing in commercials but see homosexuals kissing all the time. I don't want to see anybody kissing in commercials.

As you can see by the reply, some people just don't get it. They just can't grasp that what's going on in Florida is just a part of legitimizing the hate of people different than themselves. Legitimizing that it's okay for politicians to use their political power and even go as far to create laws to punish those who they find offensive to "The American way of life". And it's sad. There was a time in my life I may very well not have felt this way. But as time has gone on and after meeting people that I am fortunate enough they came into my life, I have grown past that and realize that no group of people should be a target and all everyone wants to do is live their life and be treated as equal to everyone else. And you were a part of that. Thank you.

And liberals are called snowflakes….Lol… eww they’re kissing on the lips now. Ewwww. How disgusting. Ewwww. I can’t watch. Ewwww where’s my remote. I hate this channel now. Ewww I hate everything liberal now. Lol

Disney’s Iger asks Florida: ‘Does the state want us to invest more…or not?’

Alexis Keenan and Alexandra Canal
Wed, May 10, 2023 at 7:22 PM EDT·3 min read

Disney (DIS) CEO Bob Iger had a question for Florida Wednesday as he discussed the company’s ongoing legal feud with Governor Ron DeSantis.

"Does the state want us to invest more, employ more people, and pay more taxes, or not?" he said on Disney’s first-quarter conference call.

The comments were a reference to plans the company had to invest more than $17 billion over the next decade in its Walt Disney World resort, creating 13,000 jobs. That, he said, “is what the state should want us to do.”

Instead, the company says those plans are stymied by a dispute that began last year when Disney opposed a state parental rights bill that prohibited educators from leading classroom instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity for students in kindergarten through third grade.

Florida stripped the company of power it held for 55 years to self-govern a special tax district that houses Walt Disney World and roughly 25,000 acres surrounding it, spawning dueling lawsuits in different courts.

Disney’s suit alleges the state punished the company for its stance on the parental rights bill, thus violating Disney’s constitutional rights.

Iger reiterated that point Wednesday.

“This is about one thing and one thing only,” he said, “and that's retaliating against us for taking a position about pending legislation. And we believe that in us taking that position, we are merely exercising our right to free speech."

Bob Iger spoke to analysts Wednesday about Disney's dispute with the state of Florida. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, File)
Iger also tried to dispel theories that Disney used litigation to preserve tax benefits for the entertainment giant.

"There's also a false narrative that we've been fighting to protect tax breaks as part of this,” he said. “But in fact, we're the largest taxpayer in central Florida, paying over $1.1 billion in state and local taxes last year alone. And we pay more taxes, specifically more real estate taxes as a result of that special district," he said.

"We're not the only company operating a special district," Iger said, noting that 2,000 such districts exist in the state. "The Daytona Speedway, it has one. So do The Villages, which is a prominent retirement community, and there are countless others."

Disney's district is one of six special districts approved prior to Florida's adoption of its 1968 Constitution, and as a result is subject to less stringent rules.

“We never wanted…and we certainly never expected to be in the position of having to defend our business interests in federal court,” he added. “Particularly having such a terrific relationship with the state, as we've had for more than 50 years.”

DeSantis and the state legislature passed a series of laws over the last year that are at issue. One signed last Friday allows a board that the governor appointed to oversee the special tax district to retroactively cancel land development contracts approved by a prior Disney-controlled board.

Disney amended its federal suit to reference that latest piece of legislation.

In response, DeSantis' office told Yahoo Finance, "Development agreements, as creations of state law, are plainly subject to revocation by subsequently enacted state law."

"Disney’s latest move is yet another desperate attempt to maintain their special privileges and ignore the will of Floridians as expressed through their duly elected representatives. Disney should accept that it must live under the same rules as everyone else."




https://finance.yahoo.com/news/disn...t-us-to-invest-moreor-not-232227338.html

Please let us know when you decide to hold the other 1999 to the same standard. I mean since it's the same rules as everyone else and all.

Florida teacher under investigation after showing Disney movie Strange World to fifth-grade class
William Clayton
Sun, May 14, 2023 at 5:21 PM EDT·4 min read


A Florida fifth-grade teacher is under investigation by the state Department of Education for “inappropriate conduct” after showing her fifth-grade class Disney’s 2022 animated movie Strange World.

The decision to show the film as a “brain break” followed a rigorous morning of standardized testing.

The movie features an openly gay character named Ethan and explores a romantic side plot between Ethan and his crush, Diazo.

Barbee took to TikTok to defend her choice, stating that she selected the film because it aligned with the class’s curriculum, which currently focuses on ecosystems. While she emphasized that the LGBTQ+ element was not the primary reason for showing the movie, she described it as “harmless.”

According to Barbee, she was reported to the state by a school board member who has been actively opposing any form of representation in schools. Notably, the board member’s daughter was present in the classroom during the screening of Strange World.

Barbee’s friend, Carl Zee, shared a tweet on May 11 displaying a letter from the Florida Department for Education, indicating that the teacher is under investigation for “inappropriate conduct.”

The letter instructed potential witnesses or individuals possessing relevant documents to submit them to the designated office within two weeks.

Barbee expressed her students’ surprise in a TikTok on May 13, upon realizing the significance attached to the incident.

“They didn’t even know this was a big deal until the board member and the state made it a big deal,” she stated in her 6-minute video.

She stated that she had permission slips for PG movies from Disney signed by each of the student’s parents.

Questioning the motive behind the investigation, Barbee raised concerns about the message it conveys to the students. “They’re using it against me, saying they’re ‘protecting the children’ and it’s for their safety. But what is this actually showing them?” she pondered.

Barbee further claimed that the investigation is proving to be more “traumatizing” for the youngsters than the film itself.

“But the minor representations, that have nothing to do with the movie, are such a big deal that now admin in is in their room, pulling their teacher out, calling the students one by one down to the office to interrogate them in the middle of my lessons,” she said.

Barbee revealed that some of her students told her they were members of the LGBTQ+ community prior to the movie screening.

Barbee said: “For those of you who are throwing hate my way without knowing me or my true intentions, you may learn a thing or two from that movie. Follow your heart, find the compassion, find the kindness. It’s the key to a better positive life.”

@becomingabetterbarbee I am the teacher. Here is the truth. #indoctrination #disneymovie #disney #strangeworld #viraltweet ♬ original sound - Jenna Lynn
Following the circulation of Barbee’s video and the letter on Twitter, numerous individuals have called on Disney to support the teacher by providing financial or legal assistance.

This investigation occurs amidst Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ efforts to crackdown on LGBTQ+ issues, stemming from his controversial ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill.

The law prohibits classroom discussions related to gender and sexuality and has been expanded to encompass all grades in the state. Activists have criticized the legislation for its vagueness, suggesting that virtually anything could be perceived as a breach, potentially causing teachers to censor themselves and effectively suppress important conversations.

Several additional laws have been introduced, such as restrictions on abortion, several book bans, enabling medical discrimination, and banning discussions on gender identity.

Equality Florida issued a travel advisory for the LGBTQ+ community on April 12 warning members not to come to the state.

Observers note that DeSantis appears to be positioning himself for a 2024 presidential run.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-teacher-under-investigation-showing-212116279.html

Do we ever agree on much? Nope. But on this, I think we do or at least may agree.

My wife and I will celebrate 37 years married this Wednesday.. 43 together.. We have what I would call, true love. I know for sure that's hard to find and if you do, hang on to it for dear life. Gender be damned.

Oh dear Lord. What won't these zealots do to impose their religious morality upon society and who won't they attack in order to accomplish it?

That's the word I was trying to think of,, Impose. Not only religions but politics.

Peen and I once had a discussion, more of a disagreement. I said that Majority rules,,, he said they didn't.

I'm not sure what he meant by that, but he said I was wrong about it.

I guess when you are the minority you gotta think of it in those terms.

For me, this is simple, put it all to a vote.

Take the biggest issues of the day and put it to a vote. Live with the results.

Not a popular idea.. but maybe it's the answer.

DeSantis signs bill banning funding for college diversity programs

https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-signs-bill-banning-funding-155147909.html

Who was it that kept talking about cancel culture again?

I think Peen was most likely talking about the presidential election. And since it just so happens that when the majority of voters don't decide presidential elections, they love it that way.

You don't like the way it works?

I do find it odd that every other election in this country is decided by the popular vote except the presidency. And I find it odd that the population per electoral vote can vary so much from state to state.

Take Wyoming as an example. One electoral vote accounts for 193,000 people. While in Texas and California as examples, one electoral vote accounts for over 700,000 people. That makes for a huge discrepancy in how much each Americans vote counts.

There would be many sound reasons to argue for an end or an amendment of the electoral voting system. And while I know and respect that it was set up the way it is in order to protect smaller states rights .... currently the balance is far too extreme in favor of the minority/small states. You can bet every last cent you own that if this was flipped and the small states were Blue, the GOP would find and be actively looking for a work around.

Actually a lot of them are pretty large states with small a population. Places like Wyoming and Montana certainly aren't what I would categorize as small states.

Is that why dems don't like it then, solely because it doesn't help them? Seems like the other side of the coin doesn't it?

The reason for the electoral college was that small states (Rhode Island, Delaware) did not want to be overwhelmed in an election by larger states (New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia). It was by designed by compromise and intended to be that way. Same way with the 3/5 ths concept for slaves. And originally senators were selected by the State Legislature.

It only took a civil war to get rid of the 3/5ths issue. An amendment ended the selection of senators by legislatures.

The "Small versus Large" imbalance that exists with the electoral college looms as large as ever. It is perhaps the only non democratic thing that remains.

Other than the Constutional Republic?

My issue with the Electoral College is that if you are a republican in NY or California or a democrat in Texas or Alabama, then essentially your vote doesn't count in Presidential elections.
As a result, these elections are determined by a handful of states.
I think 3 states divide their electoral votes. If all states did that, I would support that.

Sorry for not being clear but I meant population size.

I didn't know the Dems were against it. My comment was that if if it was the other way around the GOP would actually proactively do something about it. Whether it's creating contrived legislation or stocking the supreme court... imo the GOP are much better at bending the rules to get what they want than the Dems. Or if you can justify the debacle with Garland and Barrett go ahead.

Did you sleep through the screams after 2016? All the calls to abolish it?

You might be listening to a few and thinking it's the many. idk. Certainly there is good solid grounds for amendment.

No, I am just remembering how much air play it got.

I could have worded that better,

It is perhaps the only item in the constitution is not decided by the voting in a general election.

We could get into a discussion as to structure representation as well, but that is amendment territory. States like California have one senator for roughly 19 million people where as someone from Wyoming has 1 for every 290,000.

But I understand that is the way the framers wanted it. I also understand that if it was a a different type of representative democracy it would favor the D's. That is why the past few elections have not been consistent between the vote and the electoral college winner.

And California has 52 representatives while Wyoming has 1. The whole structure is a balancing act, usually people only want to change it when they aren't winning.

yep, lost of people live in California, those are the numbers. It used to be 55 if I recall.


Last time I calculated it, there was 1 congressional representative per roughly 750,000 people.

Denying our American democracy exist is fascist and cringe worthy.

The electoral college must be cast onto the trash pile of white supremacist American political history.

And Disney, Mickey Mouse according to Trump, is still kicking DeStains ass at every move. I can’t believe people think he’s strong, competent, or moral. He’s SOOOOO fascist, you’d have to be blind and really stupid not to see it.

And that was well before the expansion of The United States to the west. As a result here is what we're left with....

If that is your opinion I'm good worth what I said.

Screaming fascist at everything is pretty cringe worthy.

I call it like I SEE it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming

Not true 580,000.

I said nothing about the population of Wyoming. They have a total of three electoral votes based on their population. According to your own figure that equals one electoral vote for every 193,333 people. Not one electoral vote for their entire population of 580,000 people.

got it..

Maybe you should see someone in a professional capacity. You really seem to have some frightening ideas.

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Is that why the Goper’s like it then, solely because it helps them. Yep the other side of the coin. But the Goper’s coin is “heads I win, tails you loose.”

And talking about your frighting ideas is off limits right? Lol

So what democrats have called for changing or abolishing it?

If you remember a lot of noise but there is no actual proposal for change, I'd say listening to the talking heads and the noise of the moment is the definition of listening to the few. But there you go, I could agree with you and you'd find a way to try to fight.

Oh look, you pulled out that tired old trope.

Feeling all good about yourself?

I let you search for the news of it back in 2016. Unless you need me to post you a LMGTFY link.

Deny deny deny deny. It's like there is a bubble around some people here and if it isn't happening in that bubble it doesn't exist.

Actually yes. Lol.. I wasn’t the one telling others to seek professional help. Hope you’re feeling all good about that.

It isn't about feeling good about myself. Anyone that fires off that much hate and anger is not doing well. Try looking out for others instead of trying to score little meaningless points.

15 states have passed a compact stating their states electors will be awarded to the candidate that wins the national popular vote. Those 15 states account for 72% of the 270 electoral votes needed to win. If thats just noise to you, then clearly you are not paying attention.

Only 15 states out 50 is hardly a peep. The trump brigade strikes again.

Gaslighting doesn't change history.

15 states that outright ban abortion would have you screaming from the rooftops.

Pointing out only 15 states out of 50 is not gaslighting. Pffft …. then you use an abortion whatabout. Typical.

People like you would do good to fear people like me. We represent the end of 1800s to 1960s thinking in America. An end of white supremacist bias in all things government. That should really scare the hell out of most trumpians, GOP propagandist, and fascist far right wingers.

You aren't even remotely scary. You just have ideas running about in your head that seem to keep you frightened. Fascists everywhere. Boooooooooooooooogy men. Boooo!

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is.xml

DHS draft document: White supremacists are greatest terror threat

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236


Peters Investigative Report Shows DHS and FBI Are Not Adequately Addressing Domestic Terrorism Threat

Investigation Also Found That Social Media Companies’ Current Incentive Structures Contribute to Spread of Extremist Content

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/...ly-addressing-domestic-terrorism-threat/

They say ignorance is bliss.

Don't take anyone elses word for it. Go read Mien Kampf. (my Struggle) Even kinda sounds like Trump LOL! Study what Hitler did in the 1930's. Compare that to the actions and words of the MAGA movement and Trump and those that closely align with Trump including Proud Boys, KKK, 1 percenters etc.... All of what you see in there is happening today.. Book banning, Hate for one group of persons or another etc. It's all there.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=mein+kampf+in+english

If you open up your mind, you may find that there are Fascists everywhere and they are Booooooooooooogy men all around us. They've been there for decades but they mostly stayed in the bushes until Trump made it ok to be a Bigot.

j/c

This isn't a direct article pertaining to Disney but rather the overall "anti woke" as they call it topic. I didn't feel it was worthy of an entire new thread......

Penguin Random House, advocates and authors sue Florida school district over book bans

Book publisher Penguin Random House, along with several parents, authors and the literary and free speech advocacy group PEN America, are suing a Florida school district to challenge the removal of several books on race and LGBTQ issues from school libraries.

The suit was filed Wednesday in the Northern District of Florida against the Escambia County school district and its school board in Pensacola, Florida.

It was brought by attorneys representing the publisher and the advocacy group, as well as five authors whose books have been either removed from school libraries or are being challenged, and parents of children impacted by the book bans.

They argue that school officials violated the First Amendment because they chose to remove books against the recommendations of school committees reviewing book challenges, and “based on their disagreement with the ideas expressed in those books,” according to the lawsuit.

“This disregard for professional guidance underscores that the agendas underlying the removals are ideological and political, not pedagogical,” the lawsuit says.

In the suit, they also argue school officials violated the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment because the books being challenged and those removed are disproportionately written by people of color and LGBTQ authors, or address race and identity topics.

Cody Strother, a spokesperson for Escambia County Public Schools, told CNN the district is “unable to comment on potential pending litigation.”

Two Escambia County School Board members also told CNN they couldn’t comment on pending litigation. CNN has asked the other three board members for comment about the lawsuit but has not received a response.

In the current school year, about 200 books have been challenged in Escambia County Public Schools, according to data compiled by district officials and made available online.

More than half of those titles have been placed under restricted access and require parental permission during the review process, and 16 books have been either removed from all libraries or made only available for certain grades, according to the district’s data.

“Children in a democracy must not be taught that books are dangerous. The freedom to read is guaranteed by the constitution,” Suzanne Nossel, CEO of PEN America, said in a statement.

Nadine Farid Johnson, an attorney and managing director of PEN America’s Washington and Free Expression programs, said the book bans in Escambia County schools are “blatantly unconstitutional attempts to silence and stigmatize.”

“The government should not foster censorship by proxy, allowing one person to decide what ideas are out of bounds for all,” she said in a statement.

The lawsuit seeks the return of removed books to the school libraries in the district as well as costs and attorney fees.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/17/us/f...0c0g3ge0GgLFFYEPbtNEEZkfLCwwAvjj0fHNMQlQ

People in Buffalo, Austin, Charleston, Pittsburgh, Michigan, Oklahoma City, and a few other places disagree.

Disney cancels plans to relocate employees to Florida amid DeSantis feud

Alexandra Canal·Senior Reporter
Thu, May 18, 2023 at 3:08 PM EDT·3 min read

Disney (DIS) is cancelling plans to relocate thousands of California-based employees to the state of Florida amid its ongoing feud with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.

According to an internal memo obtained by Yahoo Finance, Josh D'Amaro, chairman at Disney Parks, Experiences, and Products, told employees the company, which had been building a new campus in the Lake Nona region of Orlando, was now scrapping those plans.

"Given the considerable changes that have occurred since the announcement of this project, including new leadership and changing business conditions, we have decided not to move forward with construction of the campus," D'Amaro wrote.

"This was not an easy decision to make, but I believe it is the right one," he continued. "As a result, we will no longer be asking our employees to relocate. For those who have already moved, we will talk to you individually about your situation, including the possibility of moving you back."

The relocation plans were first announced in July 2021 under then-CEO Bob Chapek with the employee campus set to open in 2022-2023. The project was eventually delayed to 2026.

"It is clear to me that the power of this brand comes from our incredible people, and we are committed to handling this change with care and compassion," D’Amaro said. "I remain optimistic about the direction of our Walt Disney World business. We have plans to invest $17 billion and create 13,000 jobs over the next ten years. I hope we’re able to do so."

Thursday's update comes amid Disney's (DIS) high-profile battle with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

The fight stems from what has largely been seen as a politically-targeted response over Disney's reaction to the so-called "Don't Say Gay" law, which forbids instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity from kindergarten through third grade.

In 2022, then-Disney CEO Bob Chapek condemned this law at the company's annual shareholder meeting after initially deciding not to speak publicly on the matter.

In response, DeSantis signed a bill into law that allows him to take control of the company's long-standing special tax district, formerly known as Reedy Creek.

The political firestorm is still ongoing. Disney filed a lawsuit against DeSantis last month, alleging a "targeted campaign of government retaliation."

The governor's hand-selected Central Florida Tourism Oversight District board launched a countersuit against Disney shortly after its initial complaint, citing "backroom deals" favorable to the media giant.

The office of Governor DeSantis did not immediately respond to Yahoo Finance's request for comment over Disney's decision to eliminate the Lake Nona campus, although it previously told YF that Disney's moves showcase a "desperate attempt to maintain their special privileges and ignore the will of Floridians as expressed through their duly elected representatives."

Recently, Disney CEO Bob Iger has defended the company's actions and denounced DeSantis' practices on multiple occasions.

"Does the state want us to invest more, employ more people, and pay more taxes, or not?" he said on Disney’s second-quarter conference call last week.


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/disn...lorida-amid-desantis-feud-190827526.html

Disney on Thursday upped the ante in its battle with Florida’s Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, and it cost his state 2,000 white-collar jobs.

Disney is scrapping plans to build a $1 billion office complex in Florida, citing “changing business conditions,” according to a memo provided by a Disney spokesperson.

The decision comes at a time when the company is openly feuding with DeSantis, who is expected to officially enter the 2024 GOP presidential race next week

I expect some folks will be very critical of Disney for having the audacity to make business decisions based on the political climate in Florida - while they will laud DeSantis for using his political power to carry out a vendetta against a company that exercised their 1st amendment rights. No change here then.

Yep. When your talking points and ideas are as stale as week old bread, just steal or parrot my lines to make a zinger. SMH, plagiarizing GOPers. Original thought a new concept to you? I bet you miss Tuckers walking talking instructions every night, huh? Your like a factory of sadness sad bro. Sorry you placed your faith in the party of homegrown terrorists and coups. But it is what it is and now, here’s your crow.

You can ask Vers and arch what coming at me will get ya. You’ve now been informed.

I didn't watch Tucker. I could not stand the sound of his voice, but look at thinking that is some sort of insult.

What have I been informed of? What are you going to do? Come beat me up? Yell "fascist" yet again. GOPer! You are not even remotely scary. But please, let me know the danger I am in.

Sure you didn’t.

Your not in any ‘danger’. I’ll just blast you until you cry if you keep coming. And you will cry, just like all the other pea brains who took a shot. I regret taking it to those extremes, calling Vers out for a physical altercation… But not because it made me look bad, because he forced me to lower myself to his level. I don’t lose arguments over principles, hard to lose when you’re on the right side of history. There it is, all spelled out, now the ball is in your court. Best to put it in your pocket and take it home. I hate seeing men lose their balls. And I love drinking GOPer tears.

"Sure you didn't" Really, come on man, you can do better than a second grade "sure you didn't". THAT is what I am supposed to be scared of? You will break out all your best elementary school jabs to make me cry? You mean with laughter right? Seriously?

Do you really believe the nonsense you just typed?

Dude. You are no where near the b/a you seem to think you are. Not here, not in your own front yard. You literally sound like a CHILD.

You’ve never been in my yard… or you would know. But I’m not saying I’m a BA, just better with the shots than all of them. I know you don’t get that, it’s a man thing.

Youre such a Karen lmao. Like the cartoon version of a Karen. When is your guest role on Sponge Bob.

Shots of? Tequila? Whiskey? Rum? You gettin yer liquid courage on?

That’s pretty high praise from Queen Karen. Thanks. But why are you here? Bar closed for fumigation?

I smelled the drug fumes, followed them, and yep it lead to you.

At least you recognize good weed when you smell it. maybe there is hope for you after all.

Does good weed make one paranoid? I've never smoked weed but that was one of those things they warned us about.

Have you read his posts?

No, they scare me.

Too bad they never warned you not to believe everything you hear and read in the press and on the internet.

Oh yeah, I am the one with a bad case of groupthink.

It could. Depends more on the person than the weed. Weed hasn’t made me paranoid since I was young. Smoked my first at 12. Weed really does nothing to me other than give me a buzz and take away some neuropathy pain. And if I ever truly lose it, it will be that pain or the orchestra of crickets I hear 24/7 with tinitus. But the amounts of THC I consume to do that with my tolerance, would bury most non smokers in paranoia and dread. I use about 400-600 mg a day minimum. Average joint is about 20-30 mg.

Yep, exactly. You said it.

Touché, at least he can read. I’ve missed you lately Eve. Miss our exchanges. You’re about the only GOPer on the board that can take the shots without all my posts disappearing or getting banned. And sober, you give as good as you take.

Sorry I havent been around much. Still lurking but been focusing on work. My business has been taking a hit due to the economy. So just doing research and strategy planning. I havent been drinking much either. My bloodwork has been bad so gotta make some lifestyle changes. Miss our arguments too. Im sure there will be more as the election rolls around lol

And I eyerolled too, so that should help you understand the sarcasm without it being all purple like. It won't but it should.

I have been on about two or three hours total the last three months. My life has been upside down dealing with health issues and looking for a new house closer to our kids. that housing market issue is real, trust me. Have put in 4 offers now, all 20K over asking, and still getting beat out. I refuse to go any higher.

Oh wow, I wouldnt want to be buying a house in this market right now. You gotta compete against those house buying companies on top of everything else. Good luck with that. Hope you feel better soon.

Thanks for the well wishes. I’m feeling better now, but I’m getting a pet scan on the 30th. At least that’s what I think it’s called. They are checking full body for cancer. Bladder doc saw a 1cm x .9cm lymph node in my pelvis and wrote it off as swelling. I pressed the issue because pain levels shot up last August/September and haven’t subsided much. If that’s clear, the pain is probably diabetes related nerve damage which I will have to learn to live with. Other than all of that, I’m fit as a fiddle and ready to step into the octagon…

And the housing situation is real. Four offers in now, all 20K over asking and still getting outbid. Interest is crazy high, but my wife and kids need the peace of mind of having us close. If I had my way, we’d stay put. But prices won’t get better any time soon and will be higher a year from now, so we’re taking the plunge, again. Good thing is we have enough extra to put down that it takes a lot of the sting out. And she plans to live with our daughter when I’m gone, so she’ll cash out then and have plenty to live on with a nice cushion. I heard all the market woes before we decided this, but had no clue how bad it was. We even looked at renting until we could find a place we felt good about. That’s worse than buying. And the corps have stripped all personalization out of the process and made buying or renting like winning an auction. It’s disgusting what we’ve become when it comes to housing. We’ve been here almost 14 years, so we were clueless about those changes.

I'm praying for you that you are cancer free and they can fix your pain. Maybe just remove the lymph node.

The housing around here is nutty too. Im not trying to move, and those house buying companies keep calling and texting me. I tell them to leave me alone and they wont stop. I have no intention of moving until I'm elderly and cant handle the stairs any longer. So hopefully not for a good long time. Then I'll get a condo. Have you thought about a condo? A lot less work to maintain in your golden years.

We considered a condo, but I’m not ready to pass on or get rid of my wood shop tools yet. Then there is 30+ years of accumulated crap to sort. Nah, move it, and let the kids sort that when I’m gone. And I really don’t like neighbors up my ass. Our last couple houses spoiled me with space and distance. I’m a country boy at heart and haven’t found any condos on an acre or more with neighbors at least 50 yards away. Not around here anyway. They are all like high end apartments. Hard pass.

I thought you would never recognize that. At least that's a sign of hope and progress.

It's sad you need the purple crutch to understand sarcasm.

So you're now accusing me of exactly what you just did? Obviously you needed purple as well.

that’s so sad all I can do is

Are we at the find out stage yet?


By KATIE RICE | krice@orlandosentinel.com and SKYLER SWISHER | sswisher@orlandosentinel.com | Orlando Sentinel
PUBLISHED: May 18, 2023 at 3:13 p.m. | UPDATED: May 19, 2023 at 10:27 a.m.
Amid its political feud with Gov. Ron DeSantis, Disney is dropping plans to build a nearly $1 billion corporate campus in Orlando’s Lake Nona neighborhood that would have brought 2,000 high-paying jobs to Central Florida.

In 2021, Disney paid $46.4 million for 58 acres that it planned to turn into a complex for its creative team, Imagineering, and other jobs. The average salary of the positions was cited as $120,000.

But in a memo to employees Thursday, Disney Parks Chairman Josh D’Amaro attributed the project’s cancellation to “changing business conditions,” without mentioning The Walt Disney Co.’s escalating battle with the governor.

“Given the considerable changes that have occurred since the announcement of this project, including new leadership and changing business conditions, we have decided not to move forward with construction of the campus. This was not an easy decision to make, but I believe it is the right one,” his message read.

D’Amaro said he has “hope” the company’s plans to invest $17 billion in Florida over the next 10 years, including the addition of around 13,000 jobs, would still happen. Disney currently employs more than 75,000 people in the state.

Disney’s decision drew a swift reaction from Democrats who have criticized DeSantis’ culture war agenda as creating a hostile environment for business.

“Governor Ron DeSantis is a job killing moron who cares more about his own political ambitions and culture wars than Florida and our future,” said state Rep. Anna Eskamani, D-Orlando, in a statement. “According to him, ‘woke makes you go broke’ but this is another example of how it’s actually the complete opposite. DeSantis is not who you want for President — ever.”

A spokesman for the governor’s office called the move “unsurprising.”

“Given the company’s financial straits, falling market cap and declining stock price, it is unsurprising that they would restructure their business operations and cancel unsuccessful ventures,” Jeremy Redfern said.

Disney met Wall Street projections during its most recent earnings call last week, with strong results at its theme parks offsetting streaming losses at Disney+. The division including its theme parks reported $7.7 billion in revenue during its most recent quarter, a $1.1 billion increase from the same period in 2022.

Still, Disney is in the midst of cutting 7,000 jobs company-wide as CEO Bob Iger and other executives look to slice a total of $5.5 billion in costs. Disney’s stock closed 99 cents higher on Thursday, at $93.76.

Iger has slammed DeSantis for his “anti-business” policies in recent months, saying the governor is retaliating against Disney for exercising its protected freedom of speech.

Despite the feud, Iger said in April Disney still plans to invest $17 billion in Disney World and create 13,000 jobs over the next 10 years.

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“We operate responsibly, we pay our fair share in taxes, we employ thousands of people — and by the way, we pay them substantially above the minimum wage dictated by the state of Florida,” he said last week. “… Does the state want us to invest more, employ more people, and pay more taxes, or not?”

Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings called Disney’s decision “unfortunate.”

“However, these are the consequences when there isn’t an inclusive and collaborative work environment between the state of Florida and the business community,” he said in a statement. “We will continue to work closely with our valued partners at Disney.”

Lake Nona project developer Tavistock referred comment to Disney Thursday.

Throughout 2021, Disney gradually informed affected employees if their jobs were part of the relocation. Some employees chose to leave the company instead of moving cross-country, from California to Florida, and some had reportedly already made the move.

Though the campus’ opening was initially targeted for December 2022, Disney pushed that to 2026 in June to “give people more time” and accommodate the construction timeline for the new offices.

D’Amaro’s Thursday memo said Disney will not ask the remaining employees to relocate to Florida.

“For those who have already moved, we will talk to you individually about your situation, including the possibility of moving you back,” his memo read.

Disney was slated to receive over half a billion dollars in state tax breaks over 20 years for the project, one of the largest tax breaks in state history for a single corporation.

What might happen to the Lake Nona land if Disney decides to sell it?

“My opinion is, no matter who’s selling it, there will be no shortage of demand,” said Andy Slowick, director of land sales at Cushman & Wakefield. “It’s going to look different than what Disney had planned. But Lake Nona is always one of the first submarkets that every developer or user that is exploring Orlando wants to tour when in town.”

DeSantis and Disney first clashed last year over the Parental Rights in Education Law, which critics call “don’t say gay.” That law limits classroom instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity in schools.

Disney paused its political giving in Florida and vowed to work to repeal the law. DeSantis blasted the entertainment giant as a “woke” corporation.

As the battle escalated, DeSantis’ allies in the Florida Legislature overhauled the special district Disney used to effectively self-govern its theme parks and resorts in Central Florida.

Lawmakers put DeSantis in charge of appointing board members for the district, ending Disney’s ability to elect the members.

Disney responded with a federal lawsuit accusing DeSantis and other state officials of engaging in a “targeted campaign of government retaliation.”

The DeSantis-appointed Central Florida Tourism Oversight District’s board then countersued.

Disney analyst Len Testa said he was unsurprised by the announcement since he doubted Disney would follow through with relocating all 2,000 jobs to Lake Nona.

Testa, who runs vacation planning site Touring Plans, said his conversations with Imagineers revealed three key concerns about the Florida move: high housing costs, leaving family behind and a different political climate.

“The financial stuff was by far the number one concern of most Imagineers,” he said. “But it did come up very often in conversations that I had with Imagineers about moving: ‘Why would I want to move there?'”

Since Disney is offering to bring workers back to California, Testa wonders if it will also be willing to rehire those who left the company to avoid reassignment. Disney is going to need these workers with the $17 billion planned expansion, he said.

“I would not be surprised if this happened sooner rather than later: you might see some former Imagineers coming back to the company if it’s in Glendale,” Testa said.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/202...-drops-1-billion-lake-nona-campus-plans/

I live in Ohio, I've never heard of Carowinds until I read your post.. EVERYONE has heard of Disney World. No comparison.. None

It was a joke I made a month ago for goodness sake.

A joke? Thanks for the clarification bro. Lol

Some people take everything too seriously.

Speaking of the DeSantis "anti woke agenda"........

Amanda Gorman says her inaugural poem has been banned by Miami-Dade school

American poet Amanda Gorman said Tuesday that the poem she recited during President Biden’s inauguration has been banned by a school in Florida’s Miami-Dade County.

“I’m gutted. Because of one’s parent’s complaint, my inaugural poem, The Hill We Climb, has been banned from an elementary school in Miami-Dade County, Florida,” Gorman said in a statement posted to Twitter.

Gorman noted in her statement that, while not new, book bans have been on the rise in recent years. The American Library Association found nearly 2,600 titles were targeted for censorship in 2022, an increase of almost 40 percent from the previous year.

“What’s more, often all it takes to remove these works from our libraries and schools is a single objection,” Gorman said.

“And let’s be clear: most of the forbidden works are by authors who have struggled for generations to get on bookshelves,” Gorman said. “The majority of these censored works are by queer and non-white voices.”

Gorman also said the reason she wrote “The Hill We Climb” was to give young people the chance to see “themselves in a historical moment,” adding that her publisher, Penguin Random House, has joined nonprofit organization PEN America in a lawsuit in Florida’s Escambia County to challenge book restrictions and bans.

“Together, this is a hill we won’t just climb, but a hill we will conquer,” Gorman concluded.



In a statement to The Hill, Miami-Dade County Public Schools said that “no literature (books or poem) has been banned or removed,” adding that Gorman’s poem is better suited for middle school readers and that the poem has been shelved in the middle school section of the school’s media center.

Last month, Bob Graham Education Center, a K-8 school in Miami-Dade County, issued restrictions last month for elementary-aged students on Gorman’s poem and three books after a parent objected to five titles, claiming that the titles included topics that were inappropriate for students and should be removed from the environment, according to the Miami Herald.

“We are deeply disappointed that the Bob Graham Education Center has determined that elementary schoolers should not have access to Amanda Gorman’s beautiful poem in their library,” a spokesperson for the Florida Freedom to Read Project said in a statement to The Hill.

“Without any clear guidance from the [Florida Department of Education] on what is meant by ‘age appropriate’ information on racism, discrimination, and other topics guarded by HB7 (the Stop W.O.K.E Act), we continue to see educators and district leaders ‘err on the side of caution’ and restrict these library books from the authors’ intended audiences,” the spokesperson added. “It is a complete disservice to our young learners that connect with these stories, seek out historical information beyond what’s offered in the classroom, or those that happen to be advanced readers.”

Florida has been at the epicenter of educational controversies as its state Legislature, along with Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), has pushed legislation to limit material and curriculum taught in schools.

In January, DeSantis’s administration rejected an Advanced Placement African American Studies course, saying the content “significantly lacks educational value.” DeSantis also signed last year the Parental Rights in Education, dubbed by its critics as the “Don’t Say Gay” bill, banning classroom instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity for certain grades.

The NAACP issued a formal travel advisory for Florida on Saturday, saying the state has become “hostile to Black Americans” under DeSantis’s leadership.

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-kn...VdnurtgM4ll_jlN5Xd1sskikQYkNvz-cYP5HSQyo

"And a little child shall lead them.”

Florida schools now must teach the Ocoee Election Day Massacre. Here’s why that matters.

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-po...e-heres-why-that-matters/?outputType=amp

That's a good thing but I'm not sure how that erases his banning the teaching of black history and his anti- LGBTQ agenda in Florida schools.

Just adding a bit of perspective. It’s also state law to teach slavery in Florida as well. He doesn’t want CRT taught in schools, not black history.

We have been down to is road before on the anti gay stuff. I will say that your article says the school district has that poem in their middle school library. I don’t know the poem but the school district believed it is better suited for an older crowd. They may feel pressure from the state legislature to remove it from the elementary school. They also could have pulled it because a single parent complained. It would not be the first time a school has done this.

Please explain how DeSantis has banned the teaching of Black History.

#fakenews

It hasn't. He has banned the teaching of the progressive agenda called WOKE that is non sense.

And there in lies the problem. That was what happened before this was banned in elementary school. One parent complained. And yes, teachers, librarians and school administrators are worried because the law is written so vaguely they have no idea how far reaching it could be used.

The Twitter video in my post shows this girl reading the poem if you are interested in seeing what it actually says. That was why I posted it.

Okay I'll post it in a way that might make it more palatable for you.

Florida has selectively banned what parts of black history are taught in their schools. They have banned how that history is connected throughout our nation's history up until today so that students won't "feel guilty for being white".

Fla. bill bans businesses and schools from making anyone feel guilt about race

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/08/1079...from-making-anyone-feel-guilt-about-race

Florida bill to shield people from feeling ‘discomfort’ over historic actions by their race, nationality or gender approved by Senate committee

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/us/florida-education-critical-race-theory-bill/index.html

No, I'm pretty sure you won't find that palatable either.

Here is the problem. No one should feel guilty about history. No one alive today was a slave owner or was a slave. None!!! This victim mentality and whoa is me non sense has to stop. This country we live in has had it's flaws but it is the greatest country that ever existed on planet earth and has liberated more people than any country in history. The white race of people that you want to feel guilty for something that happened 200+ years ago fought a war and freed the slaves. Sacrificed many lives for others freedoms. There is no other country in history that can say that.

Why or how does teaching real history make anyone feel guilty? That's just whack thinking. Do you feel guilty? No ... so why would you assume anyone else would.

Do you think the real history of WWII shouldn't be taught in case Germans feel guilty? Do you think the history of Pearl Harbor shouldn't be taught in case the Japanese feel guilty? No - that'd be whack right?

Cool. So, DeSantis didn't ban the teaching of black history. You stand corrected.

Obviously you took a swing and a miss here. I agree with you that all of our history should be embraced. The the only way you can learn not to repeat your mistakes is to learn from them. I have not and am not advocating any people feel guilty over it.

You might want to read that again. The excuse so many people that DON'T want all of history to be taught is that it may make their children feel guilty for being white. They're afraid if you don't shield their children from it, it's they who may have the guilt. Much like yourself I feel that's foolish reasoning. It's a cheap excuse for not embracing all of our history and making sure our children learn from it.

This is actually like reverse snowflakism.

And hopefully now you understand it better.

I understood it before you contorted it. But go ahead and pat yourself on the back for enlightening me anyway.

The point of contention is not "what is being taught", it is a dispute as "how it is taught" and the content of the material used to teach.

In simple terms you can offer the "traditional sanitized" version of slavery, but you can't use things like the 1619 project or other references that may be more accurate or offer an alternative narrative.

Another example.

Was the civil war "The War to end Slavery" or the "War of Northern Aggression" ?

The victor normally writes history....

No, you didn't.

Ahh, the resident Nostradumus weighs in... I don't know what I know or don't know, but he does.

It's a tough job but somebody has to do it.

Nah, it's all in a day's work for a keyboard crusader...

1. Lie about something.
2. Deflect instead of admitting.
3. Change talking point to ancillary arguments.
4. Act like you taught somebody something.
5. Jump back on your throne -- King Nothing.

DeSantis does ban the teaching of black history. Every part of it he doesn't wish to be taught. You're welcome.

You sound butt hurt.

Not entirely true, he banned an additional AP class on African Studies.
Florida law still states that black history be taught with US History.

Not really following this discussion.... but does this make both your perspective and others "jive" with each other?

It is true that they allow the pasteurized portion they feel isn't offensive to them.

Sure. That was the point. His blanket statement was "I'm not sure how that erases his banning the teaching of black history".

I corrected him, he can't admit fault. No need to follow the conversation, it's just a waste of server space.

The funny thing to me is the faux outrage towards narrow-minded, non-facts such as his original statement. It becomes some battle-cry that everyone embraces and repeats all over the internet; facts be damned. What DeSantis, and parents (on both sides of the aisle) are fighting is loosely defined as "indoctrination". Especially when teachers, schools and boards decide it's none of the parent's business.

The craziest thing of all is that everyone acts as if this information is then permanently sequestered so that no young mind will ever have access. Like it's buried in a vault in order to perpetuate a lie. Anyone above the age of five (reading level) can learn any subject matter.

I guess the real question is: should deciding what is taught in schools be exclusive to teachers and school boards? Or should government and parents have a voice?

I clarified my statement but somehow you didn't get the message. Color me shocked. I guess the obvious comes into focus when you make it more about the messenger than the message. It's become a common theme around here while those who participate in such a thing cry foul in the other direction. I cleared things up for you yet here you are still droning on about it.

To actually address the small portion of your post that's actually on topic, the problem becomes when a single parent or a hand full of parents or a politician makes the choices for all parents. The problem becomes when a portion of parents don't like or are offended by certain things that gives them the right to make decisions that impact all other parents and children. It seems odd to me those very same people who keep saying the left is infringing on their choices have no problem infringing on the choices of others. I mean it all depends on the subject in question it seems.

Ron DeSantis signs law clearing the path for his presidential run

It comes just hours before the Florida governor is set to announce his presidential campaign in a conversation on Twitter Spaces with Elon Musk, as NBC News first reported.

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a sweeping elections bill Wednesday that will make it easier for him to run for president, a move that comes hours after he formally filed to make a bid for the White House.

The most discussed provision in the election package is a change to the state's "resign-to-run" law. It was unclear if the change was needed to allow DeSantis to continue to be governor of the third-largest state in the country while simultaneously running for president, but Republican legislative leaders have long said they would change it to ensure there were no legal concerns.

DeSantis quietly signed the bill Wednesday, with no fanfare, hours before his formal presidential launch, which will come in during an interview with Twitter owner Elon Musk during a 6 p.m. ET Twitter Spaces event on Wednesday.

His office did not respond to requests seeking comment.

The resign-to-run changes are among a handful Republican lawmakers passed that will make it easier for DeSantis to run for president.

They also created exemptions to state public records laws to make DeSantis’ travel and potential donor meetings more opaque, and, in a last-minute move, gave him an additional $1 million for staff raises to help keep his core team together ahead of a likely presidential run.

The resign-to-run proposal became the subject of early attacks from former President Donald Trump, who is the front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination by a wide margin, according to several recent public polls.

“I couldn’t care less if Ron DeSanctus runs, but the problem is the bill he is about to sign, which allows him to run without resigning from being governor, totally weakens election integrity in Florida,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post on April 30. “Instead of getting tough, and doing what the people want (same day voting, voter id, proof of citizenship, paper ballots, hand count etc.) the bill guts everything.”

Trump has tried to frame the underlying bill, which includes several Florida election law changes, as DeSantis weakening “election integrity,” a term that has become a mainstay in the conservative lexicon when discussing election reforms. Florida, for three years in a row, has passed sweeping election bills that have prompted lawsuits and concerns of voter suppression from Democrats and voting rights groups.

SB 7050, the legislation that includes the resign-to-run provision, also includes, among other things, increasing the total annual fine from $50,000 to $250,000 that the state can levy on outside voter registration groups for infractions like late-filed registration applications, or using people who have felonies on their records or cannot prove they are United States citizens as part of voter registration drives.

Heavier penalties for voter registration groups, opponents charge, will disproportionately affect registration of minority voters, who are generally Democratic-leaning.

“Black and Hispanic voters are five times more likely to be registered to vote by these organizations than white voters,” Kirk Bailey, political director of the ACLU of Florida, said in a statement. “Lawmakers know this is a bill that would disproportionately impact many Black and brown Floridians who rely on community-based groups to keep them updated on voting rules, which are already difficult to understand.”

The resign-to-run provision tucked into that larger election bill has been a central focus as a DeSantis’ bid for president came into closer view, but a Republican-led Legislature signed off on several other changes that will make it harder to track DeSantis’ official actions.

Separate legislation would allow DeSantis’ use of state planes to be secret, a move viewed by Democrats as paving the way for the governor to use the state’s taxpayer-funded plane in a way that’s nearly impossible to track, as is allowed currently under Florida law. The proposal would also apply to legislative leadership and other top government officials, but the focus had been on the implications for DeSantis because of his expected presidential campaign rollout.

Republican supporters argued the provision, which would also apply to past travel, is needed for safety reasons.

“A very simple bill that is truly about safety and security of our most senior elected officials has become politicized,” Republican House sponsor Jeff Holcomb said just before the bill’s final passage.

Democrats, though, charged that the bill is pure politics.

“I have seen a lot of bills this session that have been specifically allocated for a single individual who wants to run for president,” said Democratic state Rep. Anna Eskamani when the House passed the legislation. “And I just don’t think we should bend laws to benefit one individual and their political aspirations.”

Separate language in the bill would also shield from public record laws the names of people who visit Florida’s governor’s mansion on issues not related to official government business. In recent weeks, DeSantis has held meetings with potential donors at the mansion ahead of his presidential run.

Because the creation of a public records exemption requires a two-thirds vote of both chambers of the state Legislature, the bill’s passage came about only because the GOP holds supermajorities in both the House and Senate. Democrats were in near universal opposition to the bill.

The $1 million for salary boosts for top DeSantis staffers was added as part of what’s informally known as the “sprinkle list,” because such late allocations are seen as sprinkles on top of what at that point is an already mostly finished proposal. Senate budget chief Doug Broxson, a Republican, told reporters the money would allow DeSantis to keep top staffers.

“He will be able to keep people that are valuable to him, and they will not be tempted to go to the private sector,” he said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20..._647EULZnAOgSR178UE6NtfctEbEco0uqyzWIIqY

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/n...-hispanics-than-donald-trump/8316662001/

Florida exit polls: DeSantis won Hispanics and just about every other key group

DeSantis won 57% of the Hispanic vote, compared with 42% for Democrat Charlie Crist, according to exit polls by major news organizations. And he won not only the traditionally GOP-leaning Cuban-American vote, but Puerto Ricans, who historically tend to vote Democratic.

DeStains is a Nazi sympathizer. Just like Donny.

I’m betting most of us live our lives like a book that Florida would ban.

One state out of 50 bro. Just 1 state.

He’s already burning books. What’s next immigration death camps to stop refugees and migrants?

Yep. That's totally what's next.

Yep, and then world domination becomes the next passion for Nazi fascists.

He seems to fall under the category of not knowing any better. This is how they trick their followers into thinking that "all Latino's are alike". Maybe if he would take the time to understand the way Cubans vote he would get it. But he's too busy trying to make a point that doesn't exist.

For sure. It's inevitable.

Do you think he'd sell tickets to the death camps like going to the zoo?.... to help with the budget deficit, of course.

Anything for a buck. right?

Actually what will happen is..the removal of gold teeth from the victims and taking of all their possessions and the mass murder of their children as well.

Yeah, that makes complete sense.

I know right? Because …. You and I know …. it’s happened before. And everyone knows history has a tendency to repeat.

jc

Polis called Desantis to put a wager on the NBA finals. Disneyland. No response from Desantis yet.

Protesters carrying Nazi flags and DeSantis imagery gathered outside Disney World in Orlando, Florida

Alia Shoaib
Sun, June 11, 2023 at 8:24 AM EDT·2 min read

Protesters with Nazi flags gathered outside Disney World on Saturday.

Some also carried flags in support of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

DeSantis has been embroiled in a yearlong feud with Disney over the "Don't Say Gay" bill.

Protestors waving Nazi flags gathered outside Disney World in Orlando, Florida on Saturday afternoon.

Some of the protesters also held up signs in support of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who is running for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination.

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DeSantis and Disney have been involved in a yearlong feud that began after the company spoke out against a controversial piece of legislation dubbed the "Don't Say Gay" bill.

The Florida governor has since targeted Disney's special self-governing powers and has threatened other measures, and the company has retaliated by suing DeSantis, alleging he has tried to "weaponize government power" over the company.

The governor has denied that his actions against Disney are politically motivated.

An expert previously told Insider that the governor's actions are risky, as Florida has more to lose than Disney in this fight.

Last May, a similar protest took place in the same location outside Disney World with protesters carrying Nazi flags.

At the time, the Florida Holocaust Museum said in a statement: It's a sad day for humanity when even Disney World — the 'happiest place on earth' — is not immune to blatant antisemitism."

"Displays of Nazi imagery are repugnant, and this demonstration was clearly meant to offend and provoke," it said. "No family should be confronted with threatening symbols of hate, least of all on vacation."

Representatives for DeSantis did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment, which was made outside of normal working hours.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/protesters-carrying-nazi-flags-desantis-122405674.html

Nazi protests have been happening in DeSantisland for a while now. This is from a year ago......



Murica!

Here is a quick clip of those "anti woke" protestors reported in the story you posted about.

I’m glad there were NO FASCISTS there… [roll eyes] Definitely wouldn’t want to call Republicans fascists, because they are not. They just have lots of NAZI friends… Smfh.

i really thought DeSantis had a shot at being THE guy for the GOP, but damn he's been taking L's after L's. that whole migrant busing nonsense has even conservatives ticked off at him, and this war against mickey mouse somehow ended up being more childish than Trump, and you REALLY gotta try to be more childish than him.

I think Desantis is trying to tap into the Trump base while setting himself up for his run at office. Truth is an ameba has more personality, so I think he's doomed to fail.

But he and other GOP hopefulls have realized that without the extreme fringe that will follow trump over the edge and into the inferno, their chance to be elected is zero, so they HAVE to court them. Noone does it as well as Drumf but Desantis is trying but without the charisma. It's why even though trump is his adversary for the nominee, Desantis won't attack or criticize Trump on this indictment even though without him in the picture it would seem his chances improve.

At least they are both petty vindictive men, so whoever is left Standing will be a poop stain on American politics. Peas in a pod.

And then you have Biden. Dude can't even speak understandably. Oh, and he had a "finish the root canal" procedure today - at the whitehouse. Think what you will of Trump, and I do, but Biden is shot. He's done. He's a stain, no less than Trump, on our presidential roll call. There are plenty of videos of Biden not even having a clue where he is, and not being able to put a sentence together..........let alone the issue of of his son getting money, and doling it out to family, from overseas...

Deal with it or don't.

Rather than debate what you say, which isn't necessarily something I agree with, I will ask you the question which is worse? Playing to a racist and extremist fringe - While politically persecuting a company based on a vendetta.....or being old and frail?

Just my opinion but listening to an entire Biden speech instead of a chopped up collection of the worst portions, I think he makes more sense than Trump ever did. Just my opinion

Correct. That is YOUR opinion. A senile old coot that is currently our president...........and doesn't even know it and has a son that has gotten him millions of dollars, vs. a dude that is facing jail time.

I'll take neither, for $1000, alex.

And Kamala? If laughing like a hyena mattered in the grand scope of things mattered, she'd be my choice. Other than her cackle, which is probably worse than Hillary's, she's done nothing but hide.

Bottom line, Biden doesn't even know who he is, let alone what he's doing. Period. The end. For anyone to argue differently displays how dumb they are.

DeStains has a napoleon complex (little man syndrome) and zero character, he’s actually a MORE dangerous type of pathetic theo-fascist. Book banning, shunning the lgbtq community, targeting black voters with false voter fraud charges, etc. This is a man who has no moral compass and would sell his mother to get a foothold in power. He’d damn sure sacrifice democracy for it.

I agree 100%

Man I really thought DeSantis was gonna be the new king of the conservative/Republican Party. But it seems like it’s a genetic trait if your conservative to go out of their way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

They really about to let Biden cruise to a re-election win simply cause they can’t stop supporting scumbags like trump and Desantis.

But as of now that looks like it will be your only two legitimate candidates to choose from. So does that mean you'll refuse to vote or vote for someone with no chance of winning?


So will you vote for this or the criminal? I think you may wish to actually listen to his speeches. You are right that he's too old to be president. He does have moments where he appears lost. But you seem to have convinced yourself that's some perpetual state that he's in which is false. Not that it really makes it any better. So since you're in this thread, what do you think of DeSantis assault on Disney?

This is the correct answer.

Does DeSantis plan on denouncing the neo nazis? Or is it ok because they’re at war against Mickey Mouse like he is…

Do you really think he will denounce his own voters?

I want to believe that’s he’s just taking this ‘enemy of my enemy’ thing to the extreme, and that he’s really not cool with people like this.

I know it’s stupid, but I gotta have hope.

I try to put hope into things I actually believe there's some hope for. This just so happens not to be one of those things.

this is dumb.

Why? Are you trying to say right wing extremists and neo Nazi's aren't supporting trump and desantis with their votes?.........

Nazi demonstrators brandish Ron DeSantis 2024 signs outside of Disney World

Gov. Ron DeSantis is in Oklahoma delivering a political speech, but that doesn’t mean disturbing news isn’t happening closer to home.

Rep. Anna V. Eskamani tweeted on Saturday video of Nazi demonstrators outside of Disney World.

A second image, from Twitter user Shannon Watts, contends that “two dozen white supremacists are outside the main Disney World entrance in Orlando right now, marching with signs featuring Gov. DeSantis’s face, swastikas, the n-word and homophobic slurs.”

Florida Politics reached out to the Governor’s Office for comment.

DeSantis has had to address neo-Nazi demonstrations in Orlando before, including back in 2022 when group of neo-Nazis lined a bridge in eastern Orange County, hanging the swastika flag and banners — including a banner with the pro-Donald Trump slogan “Let’s Go Brandon” — and yelling profanities and antisemitic slurs at passing cars.

He was more concerned with Democrats talking about the issue in remarks after the fact.

“So what I’m going to say is these people, these Democrats who are trying to use this as some type of political issue to try to smear me as if I had something to do with it, we’re not playing their game,” DeSantis said back in 2022.

“Some jackasses doing this on the street, first of all, state law enforcement is going to hold them accountable because they were doing stuff on the overpass. So they’re absolutely going to do that, and they should do that,” DeSantis added before going back on the political counteroffensive.

“But I’m not going to have people try to smear me who belong to a political party that has elevated antisemites to the halls of Congress,” DeSantis said, singling out Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota.

In a tweet posted after the incident and later deleted, press secretary Christina Pushaw responded to Twitter outrage over the Orlando Nazi demonstration by asking, “Do we even know they’re Nazis?”

Pushaw then sought to clarify that statement. “I don’t know what you mean by ‘denying Nazis.’ I was referring to this event in VA, when a group of Democrats dressed up as White supremacists to discredit a (Glenn) Youngkin rally,” she told Florida Politics at the time.

Similar demonstrations including Nazi regalia and pro-DeSantis flags recurred in 2022.

https://floridapolitics.com/archive...-ron-desantis-2024-sign-at-disney-world/

Does any of that sound like he is denouncing them to you?

Here's a video in which you can clearly see the DeSantis 2024 campaign sign among the Nazi flags.......



Where did DeSantis denounce them again? You may wish to be careful about who you're tossing the dumb mantra towards. It might come back to smack you in the face if you aren't careful.

You would think so, but it's accurate. Among DeSantis's (and Trumps) strongest supporters are the Proud Boys, KKK, 1 percenters, Oath Keepers, and other racist white male hate groups....

So laugh and call it dumb,, but if you don't fit into one of those groups, do something about it. or accept the fact that you will forever be linked to them. Deserved or not.

Of course not. The dude is the Grand PuBa of Nazi Murica since trump has zero chance against his prosecutor Joe Biden.

As for the war on Mickey, I’ll say it again. DeStupid is playing chicken with a tank.

Bro screwing up big time in Florida. Losing billions

It's truth - Trump or Desantis or whoever it is won't win without pandering to the fringe element that are supremisists. Trump knew it and the like of Gaetz and MTG know it.

The Disney Dream is sailing to Europe for the 2024 sailing season. Just the tip of the iceberg.

For those who continue to claim that DeSantis is only "looking out for students in grades k-3", please start paying attention.....

College Board Tells DeSantis It Won’t Change AP Psychology Course To Exclude LGBTQ Topics

The College Board, the organization overseeing advanced placement courses for high school students nationwide, pushed back on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ recently passed legislation, telling the Florida Department of Education it wouldn’t alter its curriculum for AP Psychology to exclude information on gender and sexual orientation.

The College Board issued a statement Thursday saying it “will not modify our courses to accommodate restrictions on teaching essential, college-level topics” as doing so would “break the fundamental promise of AP” in that colleges wouldn’t accept the credit and students wouldn’t be prepared to continue in the discipline.

The organization highlighted that the American Psychology Association has said the topics of gender and sexual orientation “are foundational for any college-level course in psychology” and that participation in AP courses is optional and families can review content before deciding whether their student should enroll.

The Florida Department of Education told College Board last month it would seek an “assurance document” to indicate whether courses comply with Florida’s new rules against public schools teaching about sexual orientation or gender identity and asked it to examine which courses would need to be modified, the Washington Post reported.

In April, the Department voted unanimously to extend the state’s “Don’t Say Gay” law to prevent the state’s middle and high school teachers from teaching students about sexual orientation or gender identity; previously, the law only prevented discussions for students in kindergarten through third grade.

“To AP teachers in Florida, we are heartbroken by the possibility of Florida students being denied the opportunity to participate in this or any other AP course. To AP teachers everywhere, please know we will not modify any of the 40 AP courses—from art to history to science—in response to regulations that would censor college-level standards for credit, placement and career readiness,” College Board said in a statement Thursday.

Florida’s Department of Education press secretary, Cassie Palelis, said in a statement that “College Board is responsible for ensuring that their submitted materials comply with Florida law.” She continued: “It is worth noting that College Board does not maintain a reliable position and is susceptible to outside influence by the mainstream media and political activists.”

This isn’t the College Board’s first dispute with DeSantis. Earlier this year, Florida officials said the curriculum of AP African American Studies—a course being introduced in 2024— lacked “educational value” and promoted “a political agenda.” The College Board then released a plan for the course that removed references to some of the terms DeSantis took issue with, like “intersectionality” and “systemic.” The changes—seemingly in response to Florida’s issues with the course—led to broad criticism of the College Board for caving to DeSantis’ wishes. The organization backtracked on the changes, saying in April they were again revamping the course to ensure students “have access to the full breadth and beauty of this discipline.” In its statement Thursday about AP Psychology, the Board said: “We have learned from our mistakes in the recent rollout of AP African American Studies and know that we must be clear from the outset where we stand.”

28,600. That’s about how many students took the AP Psychology—one of College Board’s more popular courses—exam this past May in Florida. In 2022, about 292,000 students across the country took the exam.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollyb...to-exclude-lgbtq-topics/?sh=7ccd5cc72add

Oddly enough it seems those who DeSantis has hired doesn't understand who it was that actually made this political.

I wonder where the burning of books will be?

I think they will be done at a location to be determined later. But not until after the witch trials have been concluded.

DeStains will lose by a landslide if he’s the nominee. Any MAGA candidate will lose. Our biggest concern in 2024 should be watching the election process closely because GOPers WILL try to steal another election.

MSNBC reporting that teachers in Texas quitting in droves over GOPer politics. GOPer Ls stacking up.

It is a bit like Nazi Germany when the Jews fled the country when they could and those that didn’t. Well you know.

Yep.

Got a link for this?

And at the beginning of the year:



This is what crap thinking and terrorizing kids gets you. Good people want nothing to do with it.

70% of people considering leaving their teaching jobs? Hell, 70% of people in general "plan" on leaving their jobs no matter the profession or state in which they live.


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/big-quit-close-70-us-120000350.html

A lot of teachers are leaving the profession for a multitude of reasons. I agree that trying to break it down to one political reason is more of a distraction than a reality....

JMHO, could be generational thing TOO- how many decades has Government bailed folks out--over and over again. And PLEASE don't say it's only the dreaded Democrats- Nixon, Bushes, Trump-- AND all the Ds, print money, give it to everyone and you don't have to work.

Teachers have it tough- I was one and quit- gov requirements, English as second language- millions don't know English- behavior problems- every student is a saint....WRONG, and can't get troublemakers out of class because they deserve an education....take a day off and ask to observe a day in public school....get an education.

Teachers Fear Juneteenth School Lessons Amid Critical Race Theory Clampdown

Last year, President Joe Biden signed a bill making Juneteenth a federal holiday.

Juneteenth marks the anniversary of June 19, 1865, when Union soldiers brought the news of freedom to enslaved Black people in Galveston, Texas, two months after the Confederacy surrendered. That was more than two years after the Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves in Southern states.

But many of those Republican-controlled states have in recent years banned so-called critical race theory teachings from K-12 classrooms.

Critical race theory, or CRT, is a decades-old academic theory that examines America's history and institutions through the lens of racism. Some conservatives argue that it promotes division.

Although it is not typically taught in public schools, Texas and 16 other states have imposed bans restricting how race can be taught in schools through legislation or other means, according to an Education Week analysis.

And as June 19 approaches, there are concerns among some educators about whether and how teachers can speak to their students about the history of the nation's newest federal holiday.

Nothing in the laws as enacted specifically prohibit teachers from telling their students the "objective facts" about the origins of Juneteenth, said Adrienne Dixson, a professor of critical race theory and education at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

"There is a way to talk about Juneteenth, even within the limitations that are set by states in terms of the anti-CRT laws," she told Newsweek.

But Dixson, educators and other experts agree the language of the legislation can be interpreted differently and has sown confusion about what kind of instruction is permissible.

"These laws will have a chilling effect for teachers in general, because there isn't a lot of guidance in terms of what can be taught. A lot of the laws are really legislating feelings... it's vague," added Dixson.

The laws prohibit teachers from delving too deep into the aftermath, including looking at the Jim Crow laws in the South and Black people's struggle for civil rights, said Randi Weingarten, the president of the American Federation of Teachers.

"What do these laws basically say? You can teach, quote, the facts, end quote, but not any current analysis of them," she told Newsweek.

That means a teacher would not be able to make reference to the last month's massacre at a Buffalo supermarket, she said. Authorities say the teenage gunman suspected of killing 10 Black people wrote a manifesto outlining his belief in a racist conspiracy theory that white people are being "replaced" by minorities.

"Say a student asks a question about the effect of racism in America today to a teacher in Texas in the middle of lesson plan about Juneteenth... a teacher by the terms of that statute couldn't answer that question," said Weingarten.

"These laws are intended to impede open and honest discussion about some of the hardest parts of our country's past and its impact on our present."

Pointing to tweets from Christopher Rufo, who helped make "critical race theory" a GOP rallying cry, she added: "Their intent is to create fear, their intent is to create chill, their intent is to stop teacher from helping kids learn how to think."

Daniel Santos, who teaches 8th grade U.S. History at Navarro Middle School in the Houston Independent School District, told Newsweek that he teaches the history of Juneteenth and its impact on the Black community in late April, ahead of standardized testing.

He said teachers in some Texas school districts have been "attacked and smeared" by conservative-leaning parents.

So while he is "committed to teaching accurate history" to his students, he fears less experienced teachers may be discouraged by "vocal parents and politicians who wrongly attribute any discussion of race or racism as CRT and thus, dilute their lessons to appease [them]."

Clay Robison, a spokesperson for the Texas State Teachers Association, told Newsweek that some teachers "maybe didn't do everything that they normally would do" on Martin Luther King Jr. Day out of concern they could be antagonizing conservative parents in their districts.

But he noted that Texas has over 1,000 school districts, so how concerned teachers are about the issue may depend on how conservative their district is.

Teachers have been struggling to navigate the minefield of teaching topics like racism and sexism following the increased restrictions in some states.

Many could avoid having difficult conversations with students about America's past for fear of harm to their career and reputation, particularly when cases of teachers being fired over lessons on race-related topics have made headlines.

Under the laws, teachers have to make a decisions about their lessons "at their peril," Weingarten added. The AFT has committed to legally defending any teacher who is targeted for termination, she said.

But there is a "real need" to teach students about the history of Juneteenth, said Colin Sharkey, the executive director of the Association of American Educators.

"Here's a great example of America's stated desires for individual rights being delayed for certain Americans, so there's a significant value in teaching about it," he told Newsweek.

"It's up to each educators to decide where their comfort level is, but the fact that it's a potential concern could be a distraction from the goal the educator has for teaching students about a holiday that many, many Americans weren't familiar with."

Sharkey said he can imagine scenarios where misunderstandings about what was discussed in a classroom lead some parents to think the law was violated.

He suggested teachers maintain transparency with parents who have concerns and called on parents to give teachers "the benefit of the doubt."

"The vast majority of educators we work with are highly educated, very dedicated," he said. "Professionals who don't bring a personal agenda to the classroom other than the wellbeing of their students, and providing them access to a tremendous education."

https://www.newsweek.com/teachers-f...s-critical-race-theory-clampdown-1714274

This may seem like a dumb question, but is the Emancipation Proclamation part of Critical Race Theory? How about the Watts Riots.. Or the Hough Riots? If they aren't, can someone give me an example of what is taught in CRT that folks object too.

I've asked that before and didn't get an answer. As I understand it the laws that are being written in these states are quite vague and leave much up to interpretation. Thus teachers are being very cautious because they have no clear idea where the actual lines are drawn. As far as CRT goes it's my understanding that it includes many things that in fact aren't objectionable at all. But when you open the umbrella of saying you can't teach CRT that would include everything contained in it. Which creates a huge amount of information and history on the topic of race which is then forbidden to be discussed in classrooms.

The Florida laws are intentionally written for "creative interpretation" which makes it a challenge for some one to figure out. That makes for a bad law.

I think the best way to answer the issue of CRT is to remember that the C is for Critical and it is the fundamentally the difference between history and social studies.

History is more or less supposed to be a factual "call and response" or "regurgitation of facts" without much interpretation. Now I stated before that history is written by the winners and there in lies the problem. CRT is an attempt to frame it in a different perspective (of the affected community) and look at the broader social implications. Hence, this brings into the discussions issues of social justice or injustice, institutional racism, discrimination, etc. etc. Hence it is a blending of history and social studies that would be tricky to pull off, but in an AP style class, there could be interest in having the discussion.

It just does not apply to race relations, we can bring up women's voting rights and how 100 years ago women were given that right.. Another example. The Harvey Milk assassination and LGBT history. Is it necessary to discuss Milk, who was not a national level politician?

So it opens a can of worms, and draw into it topics like reparations, and "degradation of the majority" for example.

Now the DeSantis approach is just to deny the conversation or threaten those who engage in the conversation with jail.

The current philosophy on the right is just to deny that a problem exists today and that we have moved on. That sounds nice, but there is too much evidence that inequality exists.

They will never give up their victim/race card as long as they get something out of it.

I think a different and more accurate way to view it might be that - acknowledging history is indeed sanitized and white washed by the "winners" or those in power - what CRT does is include a fuller and more accurate reflection of the Nation's full history .... nothing more. It's not an opinion - it's not social studies - it's including the some of the bad things that previously got swept under the rug. jmo

You may wish to look around you. That interstate highway runs in both directions.

It actually is social studies. That's what the word critical implies. While Wikipedia is not a good scholarly source it does allow a good starting point.

Wikipedia - CRT

DeSantis asks federal judge to dismiss Disney suit, claiming broad immunity

Attorneys for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday asked a federal court to dismiss Disney

’s lawsuit that alleges political retaliation against the company, arguing that he and at least one other defendant are “immune” and that Disney lacks standing to sue them.

The attorneys also argued that Disney’s complaint — that DeSantis targeted the company after it denounced the controversial state classroom bill derided as “Don’t Say Gay” by critics — “fails to state a claim on which relief can be granted.”

A spokesman for Disney did not immediately respond to CNBC’s request for comment on the court filing.

The governor’s bid to dismiss the lawsuit comes as he has leaned into his drawn-out battle with Disney while campaigning in the Republican presidential primary. The fight between DeSantis, the top GOP contender behind former President Donald Trump, and Disney, one of Florida’s top employers, has been brewing for well over a year.

The 27-page motion to dismiss was filed by attorneys for DeSantis and Meredith Ivey, named as secretary for Florida’s Department of Economic Opportunity.

“Disney lacks standing to sue the Governor and Secretary, who are also immune from suit,” they argued in a filing in U.S. District Court in Tallahassee.

The entertainment giant’s lawsuit centers on the special tax district encompassing Florida’s Walt Disney World, which for decades allowed the company to essentially self-govern its operations there. After Disney criticized the Republican-backed classroom bill, DeSantis and his allies moved to dissolve that special tax district.

The district, formerly known as the Reedy Creek Improvement District, was ultimately left intact, following fears that neighboring counties would be saddled with debt if it were dissolved. But it was renamed as the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District, and its five-member board was replaced with DeSantis’ preferred candidates.

Disney struck development deals before those new board members took over. The new board members accused the company of thwarting their power and voted to void the contracts, prompting the company to sue.

The governor’s attorneys argued in Monday’s filing that “any alleged injuries that might flow from” the clashes over the district and the contracts “are not traceable to the State Defendants, and enjoining the State Defendants would not provide Disney relief.”

Neither DeSantis nor Ivey enforce any of the legislative acts at issue in the suit, the attorneys wrote, and Disney’s attempts to link them to those laws “are unpersuasive.”

“Signing a law is not ‘enforcing’ a law,” they argued, adding that “Disney’s claims against the Governor run square into his legislative immunity” and its “allegations of retaliatory intent do not change the analysis.”

Disney filed its First Amendment lawsuit in federal court in late April. Days later, the DeSantis-appointed board countersued in state court. Disney filed a bid in May to dismiss that state-level suit.

The board responded in opposition in a filing dated June 19, writing, “Disney’s motion is classic Imagineering, inviting the Court to make believe that reality is whatever Disney dreams up.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/26/desantis-asks-federal-judge-to-dismiss-the-disney-suit.html

I'm King Ron!

I think that when push comes to shove, it will be decided that DeSantis did indeed commit political retaliation against Disney. To me it was clear. Disney didn't agree with DeSantis on that bill and he didn't like it.

How to say you're a homophobe without saying you're a homophobe.....

GOP 2024 rivals and Buttigieg slam DeSantis video targeting LGBTQ rights

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis was criticized Sunday by two rival Republican presidential candidates and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg for a video taking aim at former President Trump's previous support for the LGBTQ community.

Driving the news: The DeSantis War Room Twitter account released a video marking the end of Pride Month Friday featuring footage of Trump at the 2016 Republican National Convention pledging to protect LGBTQ citizens in the wake of the mass shooting at Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

The video that's been denounced by a prominent LGBTQ Republican group as "homophobic" features support expressed by Trump, who's pledged to roll back transgender rights if elected in 2024, for trans Americans.
It then moves on to headlines underscoring LGBTQ rights restrictions DeSantis signed into law, spliced with images of the governor and shirtless muscular men.

What they're saying: Buttigieg, the first openly gay man to be confirmed as a Cabinet member, addressed the video during an appearance on CNN Sunday.

"I'm going to leave aside the strangeness of trying to prove your manhood by putting up a video that splices images of you in between oiled-up, shirtless bodybuilders," he said.

"And just get to the bigger issue that is on my mind whenever I see this stuff in the policy space, which is, again: Who are you trying to help? Who are you trying to make better off? And what public policy problems do you get up in the morning thinking about how to solve?"

Buttigieg added that he doesn't understand "the mentality of somebody who gets up in the morning thinking that he's going to prove his worth by competing over who can make life hardest for a hard-hit community that is already so vulnerable in America."

Meanwhile, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) said he's "not comfortable" with the video nor the way his Republican presidential rivals DeSantis and Trump "are moving our debate in this country."

"This type of video does nothing to address those issues. And it is a teenage ... food fight between Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump. And I don't think that’s what leaders should be doing," said Christie, a former Trump ally, on CNN Sunday.

"They’re trying to divide us further. And it’s wrong. It’s absolutely wrong."

Separately, former Rep. Will Hurd (R-Texas), who joined the Republican presidential primary race last month, told CNN Sunday he wished candidates "would focus their attacks on war criminals like Vladimir Putin, not my friends in the LGBTQ community," adding: "It is 2023. We should be talking about how do we embrace our differences."

The other side: Representatives for DeSantis did not immediately respond to Axios' request for comment, but his aide Christina Pushaw denied in a tweet that opposing the federal recognition of Pride Month is homophobic.

"We wouldn't support a month to celebrate straight people for sexual orientation, either... It's unnecessary, divisive, pandering," she added.

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/02/de...0sD8KjL48dAagUoSDFMCeh-TjUcXJvem-pW3WGE8

I sure wish Mayor Pete would run again for President.

And Christie's comment is true,, Just like a Teenage Food Fight.. And as Pete says, who's this debate helping. What service is this providing to the American people.

Both of them make good points.

Mayor Pete is too smart to ever become our president. In case you missed it, the presidency seems to be reserved for people that aren't that smart. There's also the fact he is gay which in our country basically makes him unelectable sadly. I did however vote for him in the primary of 2020.

There has only been one president who was a Rhodes Scholar. That was Bill Clinton.

Disney files appeal after federal judge dismissed its lawsuit against DeSantis
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bu...ntis-dismissed-why-explainer-rcna136622#

The thing about the presidency is for those not that smart is just silly. Biden is pretty smart. Trump isn't a dummy, but I do believe he's Hitler in a more expensive suit. Obama was as well, so was Clinton and the first Bush and let's not forget that Reagan was no dummy either.. All very smart men.

So I disagree with you.

Like you said, The problem is Pete won't get elected because he's gay.. No other reason.

I would vote for Pete in a heartbeat. I'd do that because he's just that good. JMHO

Pete won't be elected because he is incompetant.

Lolz.

"It's not a laughing matter, Memphis! You're part of the problem!!"

this from a person that thinks Trump is all that and a bag of Chips...

How so?

He was completely MIA during the supply chain crisis. I realize he needed 3 months maternity leave, but he mailed it in when he returned as well.

He passed the buck during the FAA and the disastrous string of groundings and delays caused by lack of air traffic controllers... blamed the airlines and "weather".

Not a word to say about East Palestine, Ohio for a full 10 days. He spent that time running around discussing equity in construction jobs. Three weeks later he showed up looking like a puppet with some thoughts and prayers.

As one senator said: "Pete Buttigieg couldn't organize a one-car funeral. He was never remotely qualified for this role,"


Maybe you could go ahead and describe his 'competence'. Please use language that doesn't include renaming bridges.

You certainly have those GOP talking points down pat.

Cool story. What makes him competent and presidential material?

First let's look at just a couple of points you attempted to make and go from there......


Pass the buck? What was he supposed to do about it? Wave a magic wand and just create air traffic controllers? I understand in your world that weather doesn't impact air travel.


You do realize that incidents such as train derailment cases are handled by the National transportation Safety Board, right?



Handling and dispersing the largest infrastructure program this nation has ever seen strikes mas as one highlight on his resume'. Like i said before, for the most part Americans hate the idea of smart people being president.

So doing nothing is a virtue -- got it.

You win, none of that was any of his fault or responsibility. Mayor Pete for president!

With all those end arounds, he'll fit right in.

Plus, it will be an end around to finally accomplishing the all important task of 'first husband'.


#partyoffirsts

Why does it come as no surprise to me that not only did you not have any legitimate counterpoints and threw nothing but more rhetoric, but you also then felt the need to put that little gay cheap shot at the end? Which only strengthens my statement that it's more about him being gay than anything else.

Absolutely NOT. It's about a party that seems hellbent on promoting diversity over any qualification. A party and president that says things like "I don't know, but I do know it will be a woman of color" when talking about possible hires in high-ranking positions. All the way up to placing a babbling know-nothing one (weak) heartbeat away from the presidency.

Nice try with your #fauxoutrage, but another #epicfail

I can only go by what you post. And you made a point of the 'first husband'. No sense trying to deny it now. And yes, there are plenty of 'people of color' who are perfectly qualified and suited for high ranking jobs. It seems as though you believe a president pointing that out and hiring people of color at those positions sound like a bad thing. It seems as though you don't think a president knowing that, pointing that out and hiring those people is a good thing. I wonder why that is?

God help us if we have a president that finds qualified people which better helps our government to reflect the diversity of our nation. We know people have been fighting against that idea for centuries now.

And BTW- I'm not outraged by it. I've grown to expect it.

Fate nailed it. He is completely unprepared to handle any transportation disaster in this country. He has no experience. Do you know why he was hired? Because he checks a box for the woke people. Same reason Harris was picked. This is why I will never vote libtard. You base your choices on equity and not merit. No wonder this administration is a disaster.

Believing a false narrative and continuing to repeat it seems like all Repugnantcans can do these days.

You cant handle the truth.

It would help if you would tell the truth.

Ah yes... Don't wonder why, snowflake... it must be because I'm racist.

And I said "an end around to finally accomplishing" in respect to "first husband", is just pointing out the irony of the endless talk to elect a woman as president and that the first first husband would actually still be with a man in office. It's cool though, I'll just be a homophobe too... because Pit@DawgTalkers says so.

Go fly a kite. You're getting so terrible at even arguing points that you just want to resort to endless virtue signaling. It's lazy and boring, not to mention unbecoming.


Also, saying you're going to hire a woman, POC, alien, or unicorn all sound equally stupid when you say so before you have even interviewed anyone. It reeks of everything we should all be fighting against.

NRTU

Administration after administration keeps appointing all kinds of people to spots that they have absolutely zero business running.

I mean, Mark Esper, the former defense contractor executive running the DoD? Yeah, that’s not the fox running the hen house…

Betsy DeVos has less than zero business running the Education Department.

I don’t know much about Buttigieg, but I don’t think he really had the credentials either.

It’s an endemic of our political elite class as a whole. Aside from people like Lloyd Austin and occasionally a Secretary of State, most of the choices either are there to check a box or to grease someone’s palm. It’s ridiculous.

They only try to make a point of it when it's not one of their own.

I'm not the one making homophobic references and acting like a black woman can't possible be qualified. But I know blaming me for what you posted is something you consider a sound defense.


That's exactly what I thought when you chose to sink to the depths you did.


Yes, out of millions of black women you couldn't possibly find one qualified. And as such we can't possibly have a government which reflects our nation's diversity. Your thought process sounds like something from the stone ages. Or many groups in this country that believe black and gay people can't possibly be qualified for top government official positions. Sad, just sad.

And there it is “woke”. The term one uses when they don’t want to sound homophobic or racist and equality is thrown out the window, and pedjudice lives on. Besides you couldn’t name the last transportation Secretary. You probably couldn’t name any of them. Pffft GOPers.

Again, my comment was only homophobic to a legitimate brainless snowflake. Full stop.

Yes, Pit. I said there are no qualified black women.

Since we're obviously going to color by number again today, we'll try a different approach...

As POTUS, if I say I'm going to hire someone but the prerequisite(1) is white male, is that okay?? Or would there be rioting in the streets and impeachment hearings? See the hypocrisy?


(1) pre·req·ui·site
/prēˈrekwəzət/
noun
a thing that is required as a prior condition for something else to happen or exist.

Once again you take no accountability for your own words. Instead they're somehow my fault. Then you claim it's others who are the snowflakes. Typical GOP response.

So Elon has decided to join in with DeSantis in his attack on Disney.......

Gina Carano, with financial backing from Elon Musk, sues Disney over ‘The Mandalorian’ firing

Gina Carano has filed a lawsuit against Disney and Lucasfilm, and Elon Musk is footing the bill.

Carano, who played Cara Dune on “The Mandalorian,” was fired after Disney said she posted on social media comparing being a Republican to being Jewish during the Holocaust, Variety reported.

She shared a post from another Instagram user that read, “Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors, even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them for simply being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views.”

Deadline reported Disney responded to the statement on Feb. 21, 2021, writing, “Gina Carano is not currently employed by Lucasfilm and there are no plans for her to be in the future. Nevertheless, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable.”

Carano, according to The Washington Post, said she did not compare being Republican with being Jewish during the Holocaust.

In a post announcing the suit Tuesday morning on X, previously known as Twitter, Carano wrote, “Look with your own eyes at what I posted and ask yourself, for example, where did I compare Republicans to the Jewish people in the holocaust? I didn’t.”

The actress is suing for wrongful termination and discrimination, asking Lucasfilms to hire her again while paying her at least $75,000.

Musk is paying for the legal fight after he said he would pay for lawsuits from people who claim they were discriminated against on X. Carano’s post was not originally posted to Twitter. Instead, they were on Instagram Stories.

“As a sign of X Corp.’s commitment to free speech, we’re proud to provide financial support for Gina Carano’s lawsuit, empowering her to seek vindication of her free speech rights on X and the ability to work without bullying, harassment, or discrimination,” Joe Benarroch, the head of X’s business operations, said in a statement to Variety.

The suit uses “Star Wars” as the narrative against the movie franchise’s production company and owner, writing in the complaint, “A short time ago in a galaxy not so far away, Defendants made it clear that only one orthodoxy in thought, speech, or action was acceptable in their empire, and that those who dared to question or failed to fully comply would not be tolerated. And so it was with Carano.”

The suit continued, “The rule of law still reigns over the Defendants’ empire … and Carano has returned to demand that they be held accountable for their bullying, discriminatory, and retaliatory actions — actions that inflicted not only substantial emotional harm, but millions of dollars in lost income,” Deadline reported.

She claims not only wrongful discharge but also sex discrimination.

“In addition to terminating her, Defendants refused to hire her for roles already promised, including but not limited to Season 3 of The Mandalorian, the new series Rangers of the New Republic, and planned future ‘Stars Wars’ full length feature films (which have recently been announced) — all because of her political beliefs and in disparate treatment from her male co-workers,” the suit alleges.

She cites statements made by “Star Wars” franchise stars Pedro Pascal and Mark Hamill, saying that the companies “did not comment on, let alone publicly condemn Hamill’s social media comments.” Hamill has compared former President Donald Trump’s policies to Adolf Hitler.

Disney did not respond to The Washington Post’s or Variety’s request for comments on the lawsuit.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending...orian-firing/NO7BSPUWHVFPJC2G5BOZJZAT3U/

Now one would hope that Republicans would be outraged over such a lawsuit. After all they are the people who have fought to pass right to work laws in many states which allow an employer to fire any employee at any time for any reason.

Right to work has NOTHING to do with someone suing for wrongful termination.

She was fired for not toeing the line.

She was fired for stating personal opinions outside of work that were in no way inflammatory to any individual.

She was firing for not adhering to demands from the woke mob.

She was fired for being a Trump supporter.


Good on Elon, she probably couldn't fight this behemoth on her own.

I'd file the suit and ask for 83.3M in damages.

Sorry, I should have said At Will To Work law.....

Can You Be Fired for Social Media Posts?

Social media has become one of the most popular ways for us to communicate. While the First Amendment protects freedom of speech, private employers can discipline and even fire you for what you post on your social media account.

This article examines wrongful termination and when your social media posts can get you fired. Wrongful termination laws vary by state. So, you should consider speaking with a wrongful termination attorney in your state right away. An experienced attorney can give you the best advice about your circumstances.
At-Will Employment

Most employment in the United States is at-will. At-will employment means that an employer can fire employees for any lawful reason. That includes what you post on your personal social media account. But there are some cases when it’s against the law for your boss to fire you.
Illegal Employment Discrimination

It’s illegal for your employer to fire you for a discriminatory reason. What that means is that your employer can’t fire you because of your:

Race
Color
Religion
Sex, including sexual orientation
Disability
National origin
Age if you’re over 40
Genetic information

Whistleblower

Employers can’t fire you for making true comments about your working conditions. For example, talking about the following is allowed:

Unequal pay
Harassment at work
Unsafe working conditions
Your employer’s illegal activity

But keep in mind that your comments must be true. Your employer can fire you for statements you make that aren’t true.
Violating an Employment Agreement

Your employer can’t fire you in violation of your employment agreement if you have one. For example, your employment agreement or contract may include a provision protecting you from firing for making truthful comments on social media.

Supporting a Union

Federal law protects your right to take part in “protected concerted activity.” That means you and other employees are free to act together to improve your working conditions. For example, your employer can’t fire you for online posts about:

Terms of employment
Working conditions
Other relevant workplace issues

Be aware that your employer may be able to fire you if you’re just venting your frustrations to the world. To be protected, your comments must be talking to other employees about working conditions.
When Can Your Social Media Posts Get You Fired?

Many people think their First Amendment rights protect everything they post on social media. But that’s not true. Despite our right to free speech, there are times when your employer can fire you because of an online post. The following are some reasons:

Creating a Hostile Work Environment

Employers must provide a safe work environment. Posts that are threatening or harassing can make other employees feel unsafe. For instance, racist or sexist comments can get you fired.
Violating the Company’s Social Media Policy

Most companies have social media policies outlining what is unacceptable for an employee to say on social media. Your employer can lawfully fire you if you violate a company policy.

Here’s an example. An assistant account executive at a marketing firm was on the team that landed a new client. In her excitement, she posted a picture with the new client’s logo on Instagram. Unfortunately, the firm had told employees not to post anything on social media until they made a formal announcement about the new client. Her firm found out and fired her for violating company policy.

Disclosing Confidential Company Information

Disclosing company trade secrets or confidential information can get you fired. So, if you have access to such information, be careful not to post it on social media. For example, don’t post salary data on the internet if you work in a human resources department.

Making False or Misleading Statements

Lying about your employer on social media can harm their reputation. So, your employer can fire you for saying something untrue about it. For instance, an employee of an ambulance company made a Facebook post claiming that the company’s ambulances were unsafe. The company determined that the statements weren’t true and fired the employee.

Posting Racy Images

Posting obscene images can also harm your employer’s reputation. It can also offend customers. For example, the Walt Disney Company, which owns ESPN, fired an ESPN commentator for posting a video of exotic dancers on Instagram.

Posting About Your Illegal Activity

You can lose your job if you do something illegal. A Colorado teacher found out the hard way. She made a post saying she got high in the school parking lot. While smoking marijuana is legal in Colorado, doing it on school grounds is not.

Contact an Employment Lawyer for Help With Your Case

We value our free speech rights. But your employer can fire you for what you say on social media. So, you must be careful about what you post. The good news is that the law protects you from being fired in some circumstances. An employment lawyer can help you understand the law. They can also give you legal advice about your case.

https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/wrongfultermination/can-you-be-fired-for-social-media-posts.html

Do you know what their social media policy is?

YES. You can be fired for social media posts (unless you're in a protected category )

YES. You can still sue somebody for firing you regardless of your social media posts.


Their social media policy has nothing to do with whether or not she can sue them.

If she agreed to their hiring guidelines as a condition of her employment they certainly do. And most employers ask you to sign an employment agreement. It seems you hate Disney as much as DeSantis and Musk do. I wonder why Elon felt the need to get involved in this? Things that make you go hmmmm...

You're right.

She can't sue them.

Musk is stupid... should have consulted with Pit@DawgTalkers.

Oh they can file what may be nothing more than a frivolous lawsuit depending on her employment agreement. I'll try this one more time and maybe you'll stop playing dodge ball this time....

I wonder why Musk felt the need to get involved in a wrongful termination suit against Disney?

I just love how petty you can be by trying to throw things back in my lap instead of addressing the topic.

She got fired for bringing her MAGA BS to work via reposting garbage on X. That’s being fired for stupidity. No laws against firing people who make mistakes that make the company look bad if they continue employing you… That said, it must suck to lose a once in a lifetime role because you’re stupid. Imagine that.

And yet some seem to defend such stupidity by saying "But mah/her rights!"

That’s why Elon is involved. He could care less about employee rights. He’s protecting his own right to post this crap with no consequences.

Her pronouns are not "mah/her". Her pronouns are "beep/bop/boop". That's what she added to her bio after being attacked by the woke mob for not including her pronouns in her bio. She was told she was part of the problem. But by adding "beep/bop/boop", she was then accused of creating 'trans hate', threatened, canceled, and ultimately fired.

I applaud her for standing up to the woke mob. I applaud her for standing up for her right to have a court decide possible damages.

And I'm not playing dodgeball if I refuse to answer your new stupid question after you move the goalposts.

Yeah ….heaven forbid she take responsibility for her stupidity or be held accountable for her actions by her employer. Best way to never work again is to file a law suit against your previous employer, Mickey Mouse.

Ah, the far right GOP buzz words used in attempting to demean and undermine anyone and everyone who questions them. Well played sir, well played.


This is the very headline of the article which this topic is based on.....

Gina Carano, with financial backing from Elon Musk, sues Disney over ‘The Mandalorian’ firing

I didn't move any goal posts. You are playing dodge ball. Elon's financial backing was a major part of this story from the very beginning. Not very well played sir, not very well played.

I actually think her getting fired was kinda dumb. I agree with Bill Burr on that front.

However, Elon has sour grapes over Disney removing themselves as an advertiser on X. I swear the guy has become corrupted by the very own app he purchased. He’s like the extreme version of Twitter mind melting. His degradation over the years is evident. The whole Tucker Carlson interview thing is just the latest in terms of the downfall. And what shear idiocy that is too.

It obviously made a lot of difference by the way. I checked Disney’s stock price today and my jaw dropped.

I suppose I can see that to some extent.... if it was about a single issue. But she had actually posted many such Tweets on a number of such topics over a period of time that went totally against her employers POV. With her being so famous for working in their production and posting it publicly in a way millions of people saw them, that directly reflects on their business. The one about the Nazi comparison was just the latest one and was what I think was simply the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. I'm pretty sure as this case wears on we will see they had discussed this with her before and she simply insisted on continuing to do so.

The same thing happened to Rosanna and many others. Sure you can say anything you want but what you say has consequences. I mean just look at all of the Republican politicians who have had their careers destroyed for simply refusing to walk the company line and they are public figures in our government who don't even work for a private company. Of course when they do that to one of their own you don't hear a peep from them about it unless it's something along the lines of "They deserved it!"