https://www.foxnews.com/politics/my...ild-border-wall-texas-immigration-surges

About damn time. Gee Biden, you ignored a huge problem that the local govts have been screaming about FOR YEARS until they made it the libtard cities problem. You ignored the problem for years because you wear libtard blinders and your policies suck. Terrible President.

Oh, but walls are so racist!

My issue with a wall was always trying to figure out how effective it really would be at deterring crossings vs just trying to create a "warm and fuzzy" to make people feel better. Honestly asking, is it really effective, or is it like putting a screen door in to prevent rain from getting through?

Do you know anyone who can walk through walls?

There were 260,000 encounters in September, shattering all records. We are way past the time of simply have to start to do something. Building a wall isn't a perfect solution, but doing nothing is criminal. That said, it is a bit of a screen door until it's complete. It could have been, but, you know...


Biden has refused to address the issue. The entire admin and media has called the border secure. Over the past two years, we've sold off building materials at auction that were stacked in Texas waiting to become a wall. A couple months ago, they sued Texas over a border barrier it built in the Rio Grande. "No wall on my watch!!"

Now, in true Biden form, he says a wall will be a good idea.

It's this admins specialty, as I've said before...

Start big fires.
Add gasoline.
Tell us there's no fire.
Finally acknowledge there's a fire, but blame it on someone else.
Show up with garden hose and play hero.

Libs and the media will lap it up like dogs.

Oh but you whined claiming he wasn't doing anything and now you whine when he does. You couldn't make this crap up of you tried.

Actually it's become expected.

I'm talking about the wall specifically, I'm not trying to stick up for Biden.

Sure, walking through walls is a simplistic retort, but I'm looking at it from a numerical perspective. Do we have anything showing the data from the walled areas vs non-walled, or something of that nature? Is it really worth the cost-benefit analysis? It might be, but I'm just asking the question.

Ha ha ha ... wasnt this trumps biggest campaign promise? Why didnt trump do anything about it? Why does Biden get blamed for what trump didnt do?

I'm not whining, just stating the truth.

You, too, said there were no problems at the border, just like Lyin' Joe.

"Do something about it" is 2.x million people later and a crisis of epic proportions.

Tired act, bro. And everybody sees right through it. Get your last word, not wasting my time in trollworld today.

Once again you lie. What I have stated is that there has been a problem at the border for decades now and at no point in time during those decades, whether the dems or GOP has controlled congress, have they rewritten the immigration laws to address it. The only one who is trolling here is you. It's been nothing but a political hot potato for people like yourself to try and use when the fault lies with both parties.

Careful reading the following. I don't want your eyes to burn -- these are actual facts that answer your questions.

Trump issued Executive Order 13767. Trump asked for $5.7 billion to fund the order. Congress appropriated only $1.375 billion.

Trump issued a state of emergency to appropriate funds. Remember? "A lawless act, a gross abuse of the power". Seventeen states sued on "separation of power" grounds. The ACLU and Sierra Club also sued. A U.S. district court issued a preliminary injunction, and later a permanent injunction.

Biden reversed Trumps order (and five others concerning immigration policy) on his first day in office. "Not one inch of border wall on my watch".

Now Biden wants a border wall... and 4 billion to build it.

I think it should be considered a terrible thing when we have a president that can learn form his mistakes and address them. What is this world coming to!!!???

Doesn't Biden understand how dumb he looks now
And how much more intelligent Trump looks now ?
Biden is going to go down easily as one of the worst Presidents
In recent memory

It appears he will have some stiff competition in 2024 in regards to being the worst president on the ballot in recent memory.

Careful. The libs on here will defend this hook line and sinker. But when trump was president, they attacked, ridiculed, and blasted the wall.

Now that a D is president, they will laud it - just as 1 just did with "I think it should be considered a terrible thing when we have a president that can learn form his mistakes and address them. What is this world coming to!!!???" (in purple)


That particular poster also numerous - too many to count really - said illegal immigration was going down, the border was under control under biden.



Many of them on here were bragging about sanctuary cities - until those cities started gettting the illegals and the cities said "Hey, stop sending them here. When we said we were a sanctuary city we didn't mean it like THAT! Keep the illegals down there, not here. We can't handle them." Like, say, Texas, for example, could?

Those libs will spin things whichever way the wind is blowing. Trump did it? Bad. Biden does the exact same freaking thing? "Good, he learned."

At the time I said it, it was an accurate statement. You left that part out. So you mean claiming that trump building the wall was a great thing but now that biden is doing it you make it sound like a bad thing? Is that what you mean by spinning things whichever way the wind is blowing?

I have a suggestion for you. If you're going to addressed the things I say, why not man up and address me instead of sidestepping it and addressing someone else with it?

It’s 20 miles of wall money appropriated for Homeland Security that must be spent or lost from the next appropriations bill… lol. I wouldn’t get too excited. There is 1954 miles of border and about 701 miles currently have a barrier installed other than the Rio Grande river. 20 more miles should do it!

A wall is nothing more than an obstacle, not an impassable obstacle, just an obstacle. I’m all for border security, not for massive wasteful spending on a 2000 mile speed bump.

I thought Mexico was going to pay for it?

Building the wall is an easy, but thoughtless decision.

The better thing to do would be to have real immigration reform, but that has proven to be impossible.

So doing something that is thoughtless becomes a real decision.

So trump is a failure at implementing his ideas. Great lets get him back into office so he can continue to do nothing. Except make himself money

Walls do nothing.

WOW Do I know someone/anyone that can walk through walls... Boy, you really got me there.. WOW.

OH,, Wait!

I know thousands that can walk around a wall and can dig under a wall, or can take a boat around a wall or can take a boat to Canada then just go south.

If nothing else has been proven, one thing for sure has been, If they want in, they'll get in.

many of the very same people that are yelling and screaming to stop the influx of aliens are the same ones yelling and screaming about not having enough employees for low level, manual labor jobs...

We have something like 10 million open jobs, many of which or waiters, landscapers, etc type jobs. We only have something like 1.5 million ready and willing workers that want those jobs.

Let them in and control the flow. Get them set up for rapid background checks and bring employers in to interview and hire them.

Walls are not the long term answer.

So, you are FOR illegal immigrants. That get benefits so they don't have to work. At your, and my, tax expense. Thanks.

What part of illegal do you not understand? And you were one of the people belittling trump, and also saying the border is secure. Now that biden is for a wall, you change?

Putting a choke point on illegals is pertinent. Illegals ARE a problem. As well as liberal cities.

They can take a boat to Canada and just go south??

Oh, man, I almost peed. 🤣

So, your answer to the border crisis is to increase crossings by 250% and hire them on the spot?

This must be Kamala's burner account. Can't make this stuff up.

If criminals want to get in your house, they will. So, you just let them in?

Seriously dude, your pro democrat crap is getting old. Let people break the law just cause they will anyway???? Illegal immigration is a HUGE problem, whether your leaders see it or not. And, it does appear the libs are seeing it.

I agree with you guys that it's a huge problem (you won't see me siding with Daman), but I'm perplexed at the best way to fix it. I want something more than nothing, which I think is where you and FATE are, but I also want something more than "warm and fuzzy" as well, which in my mind might be a wall, but I could be off there too. If the stats show a wall works well, then by all means, build a wall.

I really don't know what the best solution is. I know that we, as Americans, can probably come up with a good one, but we're all to busy pointing fingers at each other to try and figure it out.

That's obviously not a finger point at you or FATE, or me even, it's just one of those pleas for "here is a problem, let's figure it out" kind of things...

We can’t find enough people to work in hospitals, schools, restaurants and many other places. Maybe look at this as an opportunity rather than a problem. NAH the party of no and discrimination says America isn’t free for our southern neighbors but allow Chinese Asians and white Europeans in mass to continue to enter with little or no restrictions.

I'm FOR immigrants. I've always been FOR immigrants. If not for Immigrants, You and I wouldn't even be here.

I'm also for Commerce. We need employees in the country willing to do the things that Americans don't want to do.

One of the best things about Americans is that we "FIND A WAY" to get things done. As for hiring all these people, I never said that. I said background checks and then hire those that pass. The others need to go back.

But of course, you didn't hear that. You didn't understand that.

But the HATE crew spawned by the FAR RIGHT seems to only want to place blame instead of finding solutions. FINDING A WAY.

Oh, I never said that Border was secure.. I said there is a problem... And there we are BACK TO FINDING A SOLUTION.

What part of taking a boat to canada and going south is Funny and untrue. Are you saying that it's geographically impossible.

I never said a thing about 250% did I.,. You just made that up. Why make stuff up? Where is the purpose for that?

People will come here. that is a fact. One apparently you can't get a handle on. That's not my fault...That's yours.

You and others keep looking at this as a problem with no solution. Its a problem,, No doubt. But the solution is right in front of us.

This county has needs for employees. Where do you expect to get those other than immigrants.

Find a way to make it happen. Maybe my way isn't 100% perfect. Never said it was.. But it's a way of thinking about it so that AMERICA benefits.

But that is just to simple of a thought I guess. HATE seems to rule the day.

You ever hear the expression, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade? We'll It's a lemonade moment. You may not want to say you agree with me, and that's fine,,, But it appears that you do. You want solutions that stick. Ideas that work.

Others seem to want isolationism. Build a wall around America and don't let anyone in. I wonder if those that think that are aware of the inventions and tech advancements that have come from immigrants?

Don't build a wall, build a porthole that helps AMERICA.

I said "side" not agree. I find it difficult to side with you because you go bat-poop in most of my conversations with you, much like you did here when you started talking about lemonade.

You said there was a 8.5M worker shortfall and we should just hire on the spot...

"Let them in and control the flow. Get them set up for rapid background checks and bring employers in to interview and hire them"

I didn't make anything up, I did math.

There isn't enough wall to say. What we do know is that without, the illegals have been flowing through in record numbers. We know that doesn't work.
I applaud Desantis and Abbott. It wasn't until they started shipping illegals up to Democratic controlled cities that it became a mainstream problem. Once those mayors and Governors started to feel that pain it was ignored, and they aren't shipping them all. They are still stuck with a few hundred thousand.

It has already gone too far. All of these people simply suck out of the system from the get-go without having put a dime in or an ounce of sweat. We could afford to give African Americans some sort of reparation. The didn't ask to be here for the most part and had to put more than a ounce of sweat.

Typical democratic elite thinking. They want a large supply of low income workers. They brought in Africans to work the fields, now they want a free flow of Hispanics who are going to vote for them to get supplements in exchange for being housekeepers and dishwashers.

Evey African American needs to vote Republican if they are really interested in being freed from chains. Otherwise, they will continue to be stuck on the government plantation.

Mayorkas Tuesday:

Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas in the Federal Register, asserting that there is “an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers and roads in the vicinity of the border of the United States in order to prevent unlawful entries into the United States.”


Mayorkas Thursday:

There is no new Administration policy with respect to border walls,” Mayorkas said in a statement. “From day one, this Administration has made clear that a border wall is not the answer. That remains our position and our position has never wavered. The language in the Federal Register notice is being taken out of context and it does not signify any change in policy whatsoever.”


Must have got a cease and desist from the White House. 🤣

Now the story is "they had no choice but to spend the money"... A reporter asked if they would simply tear it down after it's built.


So much material for Idiocracy II... the script practically writes itself.

Oh come on, you never heard the expression about lemonade,,,, you can that Batpoop? Really.

But, if that's all you can say about me, then I feel as if I'd doing fine. LOL

Yes, hire on the spot for those that QUALIFY... Geez.. do I have to spell everything out for you.

Actually, I'd prefer you spell nothing out for me.

No matter which way you look at it, the whole thing is hilarious (or rather, it would be if they weren't talking about taxpayer money).

Keep feeling that way, my friend.

Thinking like this is simply asinine. You can’t just paint every topic with a black and white broad brush, because there are intricacies in life and in every situation. You know, grey areas. Things we need to work through. This is where GOPers tend to FAIL the leadership moments. They NEVER consider the intricacies, they just want to react with the harshest possible solutions because ‘iT sOuNdS lIkE a GoOd IdEa FoR a QuIcK fIx To Me!’

I could ask you asinine crap about your positions all day long.

So, you Like Traitors running your country?

So, you prefer high food prices over an immigrant workforce?

So, you believe walls are impenetrable, impassable, highly secure tech?

So, you think women dying with pregnancy concerns is better than what just a few years ago would have been resolved with a routine procedure to protect the mothers life; better than letting doctors and would-be mothers make their own decisions? You like women dying, got it… You like children having rape babies, got it.

See how asininely boiling everything down to the ridiculous paints somebody in the WRONG light? I get you like to troll for the right, but nobody takes that crap seriously. You should find better material and get your groove back, Stella.

The law dictates they can not get a work permit. Thanks Congress! It's not that "they don't have to work". It's that "they aren't allowed to work". But let's not speak in facts here. And if they were allowed to work your claim would be that they're stealing American jobs. We've seen this circle jerk before.


Who has EVER said "the border is secure"? When has our border EVER been secure? The numbers have fluctuated up and down. Some people point out when those numbers get lowered and some people point out when those numbers get higher. But that border has NEVER been secure.



Only a fraction of our southern border has what some of you spouting the GOP line are calling a "wall" that's actually a steel fence. This additional 29 miles of wall isn't going to change that. It isn't going to create a "choke point".

Asinine.

Asinine.

Yes, the stick your fingers in your ears and yell la, la, la, la, la, la method seem be popular these days.

GOPers are pathetically asinine. /rant

So does the bait and switch, goalpost moving, non-sensical, sensationalizing, verbal vomit you and yours spew on the screen everyday. In his case, it's complete with incoherence, bad spelling, incomplete sentences, a bunch of unsolicited ,,,,,,, and a pathetic tendency to not even understand the subject at hand or ignore half the conversation.

Just because you lack the ability to see patterns and how things are connected isn't my fault. The "subject at hand" as you call it is usually a part of a bigger pcture. Since you seem to be so confused it's what's know as a strategy. In your world it seems that doesn't exist. Look it up. enlighten yourself.

Damian was on the right track but just didn’t convey the thoughts very well.

Here it is in a nutshell:

Immigrants fleeing horrible situations is not going to stop, hell one day it might BE YOU.

These people are NOT inherently bad. Some are or will be bad actors but most are good, salt of the earth types, and thankful for their new country’s helping hand. They will go on to power the American economy, help build and become members of our communities, and to care about America just like those who were lucky enough to be born here.

They are human beings. And for the party of American Christian values to turn them into targets of hate damn sure isn’t Christ-like.

Now, your side has good points that we can’t just let anyone in and do nothing because there will be bad actors…

This is where we need common sense policies, not hateful policies, to process and deal with these people en masse. But we need to take some risk, to allow the good people in that will in fact help fuel our economy and help make our country great… for once. Once because anything soaked in hate and division can never be great for human beings.

SO the issue isn’t the immigrants coming, the entrance into the country, or the eventual citizenship. The problem is the processes and the risk management. Shouldn’t we be focused on that?

I get that we’re all at each others throats over philosophical and ideological differences, but the solutions we all need will not be found in the divides and hate, but rather it will be found in the coming together and tackling the issues we face from a fact based logical view point. Our biggest problem in this country is American hate and divides. Our biggest threat are the people who fuel the hate and divides, which right now is pretty much all of us.

I get called all kinds of crap on here. Labeled by all sides. And most of those labels are ridiculously inaccurate. And the same goes for most if not all of us. We’re not bad people, we got along just fine for years before Trumpian politics. I’m the same person I was before, and so are most others. But we’ve all gone to our corners, joined our cliques, and rattled our sabers for so long, we forgot that we’re all human beings who just want to live decent lives. We all want the same basic things, but this gets lost in the hate rhetoric. What we need is a moment that brings us back together and puts this era behind us. Once the hate and divides are cast into the trash heap of history, then and only then, we can move forward like thinking people and fix this country.

I don’t know about y’all, but I’m tired of hating everyone. I will fight forever for what I believe in though, and I’m not talking politics. I’m talking about simply being a decent person and striving to be a good overall human being, even when that means accepting things I dislike. Unfortunately, for me to personally move forward, I need to see the end of this authoritarian fascist swing the right took. The veteran patriot in me will not accept anything TRUMPIAN. But I hope that those who betrayed the country and spread the lies and deceptions while fear-mongering and hate-mongering will get the harsh justice they deserve; and the rest of us find our way back to being Americans together and being better human beings.

It may happen someday soon, it may never happen. But in my heart, I know that none of us are really the issue. It’s the influence we’ve allowed bad actors to have over us that is the real issue. All of our other concerns can be fixed thoughtfully, on a human level when we finally come together as rational thinking people and decent human beings. At least I hope that’s how it all works out eventually.

J/C

This thread is a good microcosm of American politics. When one's side does something, it's good. When the other's side does the same thing, it's bad. In reality, the thing is good or bad irrespective of who is doing it, and, unfortunately, the things both sides do are overwhelmingly not on the good side.

But would labeling you "ridiculously inaccurate" be accurate?

What amazes me in all of this is what I see as quite obvious. No president can write laws. That's left to the congress. Only congress can rewrite and overhaul immigration laws. People can huff and puff all they like but our southern border has never been what by anyone's definition been "secure".

Yet we see this used as some political football playing the blame game according to which party controls The White House.

As I said, only congress can rewrite and overhaul our national immigration laws. Maybe it's time people begin to come to the realization that for decades now, no matter which party has controlled congress, there has been no effort to overhaul our immigration laws. And that any objective look at that would appear that politicians prefer to use it as a political football than to fix it. And just a look around shows many are suckers willing to suit up and play that game.

The problem we see today is due to the unwillingness of both the dems and the GOP to fix this to create exactly what we're seeing today. This isn't complicated.

Actually, even moreso than you're stating here. Our immigration policies being a dumpster fire for so long and both/all sides of all branches not doing a darn thing to address this true root cause while everyone wrings their hands over a wall that we all know isn't going to even make a dent.

Amen.

Not me.
It was a dumb idea in 2015, and it's a dumb idea now.

The problem is no one knows what comprehensive immigration reform looks like.

The subject is so toxic a conversation cannot be started. And that is the way the politicians want it.

Well said. I remember a few months back OCD was talking about a pragmatic approach to what I believe was an immigration issue. It made plain sense, but you never see Washington taking that approach. I guess why do that when you can keep the public distracted with headlines?

All that bad blood is coming in. We need white blood!

Because the blood of immigrants is poison?!

They are bad blood because they are unvaccinated and are bring all kinds of diseases with them.

Good they’ll kill off all the idiot maga anti vac’rs.

Then learn to read.. Then I won't

You sound just like your hero.. TRUMP..

Trump must be speaking the truth.

Since when? That would be a first.

Kamala Harris.

This is probably a 'deep fake'.

And Mexico paid for it.

Its just sad. And we have people on here that said the border was secure, and illegals were decreasing. I guess they're spoon fed from the liberal media. Regardless of what they say NOW, they thought Biden had it under control.

Mexico paid for the Biden administration lies?

Oh, okay... I guess it's not that hard to believe.

The about-face is a very bad look. There’s no denying that.

What about-face are you talking about?

There are so many, it is hard to keep them straight.

Wow.

You need a history lesson.

trump's words in that interview are right out of the Nazi playbook. Close to word for word.

Apparently you have not traveled much. Or, have any kind of world view.

It is sad. You may be a good person at heart. But you are swallowing misinformation hook, line, and sinker.

Maybe if you went to the front line of this problem you might gain insight.

We are all human beings. Homo Sapiens walking this earth. Borders are lines drawn on maps by politicians, dictators, and governments.

Europeans fleeing oppression and looking to start a new life invaded North America. They conquered the indigenous population and stole their land.

And now people trying to get into this country fleeing poverty and oppression are poisoning our blood?

At least try to educate yourself.

If you ignore every other word he uttered during that tirade you could reach such a conclusion. But in the context with which it was delivered you can't. Unless you're searching for a non existent excuse for what he said.

The claim was that people on this board had said it. Context is helpful. Many politicians are idiots on both sides. Kamala is no different in the regard.

Jc

Something tells me the wall still won’t be getting built.

Who "on here" said the border was secure? I'll wait.


Are you trying to say at the time that was said the numbers hadn't drastically declined from the previous numbers? If so that would be the lie here.


I guess you refuse to admit that when the claim was made the number was down and the media had nothing to do with that. Those numbers came from Customs and Border Protection.


No, they reported the numbers at the time and how much they had decreased. The rest of the garbage you just posted is nothing more than your twisted thoughts about what was posted.

People on this board post articles quoting those "idiots." Posting the articles and giving support immediately following is a sort of context and is pretty close to making the claim one's self. It's different, but one might be getting close to splitting hairs.

Just saying.

It's not a one sided issue admittedly. When the options boil down to picking which "idiots" to support, it's easy to see those supporters as the same/similar "idiots."

For me, as I have stated many times, we are left having to choose between the lesser of the two evils. I never saw anyone on this board post any article where Kamala or anyone else for that matter made the claim that the border was secure. Until now of course and it's not anyone trying to claim what she said is accurate.

Generalizations are fine unless you're using them somewhere that they don't actually apply. This just so happens to be one of those times.

Amen, hate rules. Yet, many MAGA members claim to be Christians- love thy neighbor- unless they are immigrants- legal or illegal- God hates illegals- not.

Build the wall- Trump claimed it was almost finished---and his followers- Fund-Build the Wall- were convicted of fraud, stealing money- who to TRUST- not Trump or his followers.

Where there is a will, there is a way. How many decades have we been fighting DRUGS- we keep putting heroin, cocaine, meth, etc in our bodies- there is a market- drugs get in. Why bring that up? Same as the border, build a wall- then they float, tunnel, fly, go around the wall- jobs and better life HERE compared to there, what would you do.

Wall ain't the answer- enforcement AND immigration reform is.

They're Old Testament "Christians." God was all about smiting people, particularly the enemies of his "chosen ones," in the "good old days," don't you know? The New Testament was written by those filthy Democrats.

It is Hard to enforce anything if they can sneak past. People have built walls to control entry for as long as people have gathered together to live. It's not 100 percent effective, but nothing is. It's a deterrent, and can still allow easier to control entry.

Now, how to control a border that long does present challenges. There are no easy solutions.

The threads with people complaining about Trump building the wall are archived now. I doubt they were any better than threads now.

The thing with generalizations is that you use them because they can generally be applied anywhere. Even if people don't like it. It applies, just not in the way you would like it to. Heck, I don't like that it applies. Unfortunately, it does.

I think if you looked back you would find that for some of us it is was far more about the absurdity of it all. The entire "And Mexico will pay for it!"

The crowds went wild believing that BS and have never called him to account for it then or since then.

The problem here is that the topic being discussed, people making the false claim others had posted that "the border was secure", that didn't happen. Now if you wish to guide the topic off course about how generalizations apply in terms of other things, I might tend to agree with you.

Concerning the actual context of what we were discussing, people on the board making the accusation that other posters were making the claim that the border was secure, not only is a generalization that it happened not correct it's actually false information. Or as some call that, a lie.

So while your premise has merit that many times generalizations are a summation of the overall message being sent, it does not apply in this situation.

The chronology of the week that FATE posted.

Posters didn't specify that people on the board said it. They simply stated that it had been said. Your perception was that they were saying that people on the board said it. It goes back to group psychology, I think. When someone says something about someone in a group one belongs to or empathizes with, frequently one assumes they are saying it about everyone in the group and one's self.

There is a paradox with immigration.

On one hand, uncontrolled immigration stresses the resources.

On the other hand we have essentially a very low birth rate, and growth is a by product of immigration.

So no immigration does not work either.

The great fear in the GOP is that those who would show up are more likely to democrats if they eventually received citizenship.

That is why dreamers are shut out. Texas is fighting a battle of demographics as well as philosophy. Texas turning blue would essentially end the chances of a republican ever entering the White House.

I don't agree with blanket amnesty for anyone showing up at the boarder and making a claim of religious or political persecution.

Amnesty has been a charge since Reagan.

I am all for a structured policy that allows a mix of people and skill sets, but figuring that out will eventually lead to allegations of racism, and that is why the discussion is so toxic.

We need to create a good method to citizenship for those entering legally with some punishment for those that enter illegally/

I would give anyone already in this country a limited amount of time to file paperwork to make there presence legal.
Any new border crossing need to file proper paperwork

I would then require proof of paying taxes, say for 5 years

Anyone caught entering or in this country afterwards would be deported and prohibited from initiating the process for 5 years
A 2nd offense would add an additional 10 years to begin the process.
A 3rd offense would get prison time then deportation on release.

This is just an initial thought. I am sure there is a lot more that would go into it and the timeframes would be debatable but the underlying framework is the point. Create a path to citizenship, punish those that break the rules.

Or we can finally stop acting like our neighbors south of the border are different from us, and start actually practicing capitalism and get some trade deals done.

But that’s hard work and it’s easier to just demonize everyone I guess.

That may work on planet Nirvana, but not here on planet Earth year 2023.

And no, they are different, not that it is good or bad, but different.

As posted by arch above......


You were saying?

You repeatedly posted that the border crisis wasnt a problem.

You'll have to forgive me for not going back and reading every post. (Please excuse me? "You'll have to forgive me" is an awkward phrase) The one you were directly replying to didn't seem to say it. Trying to scan through entire threads of mostly "angry 'noises' devoid of real meaning" word for word isn't something I want to spend my time doing. Didn't see it when I skimmed through looking for it. Trying to do it on a phone probably didn't help.

Random question: Do you use the entire thread viewing option? Using the word "above" made me wonder.

I read the new responses to every thread. So yes, I read the entire threads on each topic. When you look it gives you how many new responses there are to each thread. The board has a "post jumper" feature that returns you to where those new response begin so you can pick up where you left off the last time you read a thread. So when you go back to a thread you don't need to sort though or try to figure out where you left off the last time you were on that thread. I have no idea if that's the way it works on your phone or the phone of others but it's a very convenient feature this board has. Quite a time saver and you never miss a new post.

I was more asking if from the sub forum page you click the all link for particular threads. Instead of having page 1, page 2, page 3, everything shows up on 1 webpage and one can scroll through all of it. Instead of something on page 1 being "above" something on page 3, it'd literally be above it on the same page.

Just clicking on the thread title works the same way as far as new posts on mobile. It is a bit harder to write a post and check something in a different tab at the same time, though. Can't really have them both open at the same time.

Was just wondering, since I tend to think (maybe more interpret) literally by default.

I see the newest posts first in order, followed by other pages. That usually encompasses every thread that has been responded to for a few days.

Lol. Geez bro.

Really my man, what trade deals could we make with Mexico that would be anywhere near equal in benefit? Us ship more jobs south of the border so they can ship the finished goods back? That might help provide jobs for the people down there and they wouldn't be looking to swim the Rio, but it wouldn't help the jobs outlook in this country.

I understand that. If I haven't been keeping up with a thread, I don't read through 2-3 pages. Now i just add my comments. Then I may sift through some of the earlier comments.

I was addressing a question from someone else. How you decide to use the board is up to you and everyone who uses it as they see fit.

As for your comments about jobs being sent south of the border, you may wish to address the corporations doing that so they can pay cheap foreign labor and avoid our laws. At least now America is seeing an increase in new manufacturing jobs which is something positive.

Well , mayorkas testified before congress and said repeatedly that “the border is secure”. If the lefties on this board did not parrot the line it is only because they saw how really really stupid it was to say it.

Now of course Pit, you did say repeatedly that “under biden border policies crossings are at a two year low. When I thought about that I started to wonder. Given the numbers at the border what data points were you referencing when you said that? Could not have been a year , probably not a month. Was it a week, a day, a hour?? When things at the border were at a two year low? Just curious. What I think is you were being deliberately deceptive. You were trying to portray biden’s policies at the border a success. Of course they were not.

Facts are that biden’s best year for border control , 2021, had about 800,000 more crossings than trumps worst year. And the years since 2021 have been a disaster with over 2 million in 2022 and about 2.5 million this FY which is about to end.

You keep saying the only way to fix the border problem is for congress to legislate. Not true at all. I laid out a plan on here to first fix the border, then deal with legislation, not the other way around. Border control first!

It was on a per month basis shortly after Trump's "covid emergency" policy ended and Biden instituted new policies. There was a link confirming the data if you wish to go back and look it up rather than be months late to the party and try to dispute it. And once again you missed the mark. We were discussing "what people on this board had posted" not the Democratic party in reference to the border being secure.

Some people can see the BS coming from both parties. And Democrats saying the border was secure is no less BS than Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

j/c:

The walking back on this issue is hilarious to read.

Clowns and sheep.

Who is walking anything back? Statistics are either correct incorrect or not at the time they are given. They will always change or fluctuate moving forward. Nothing about my post is "walking anything back". I'm sorry you haven't been paying attention to what was posted and when it was posted and just come casually by after the fact and make claims that aren't true. That's what's hilarious.

For libs, it's been a two+ year exercise in speaking out of both sides of the same big mouth.

Who are you referring to here?

As I said... libs. But you're certainly included.

Then what you posted was a lie. Coming from people who have refused to address anything the leader of the party they support says or does by deflecting it on others who do address it is the purest form of cowardice.

Ahhh... "Trump".

Thanks for proving my point.

At least part of the wall needs built. Biden doing so isn’t xenophobic. Just as it wasn’t xenophobic when Trump suggested it. We are being overwhelmed with people from all over the globe crossing our southern border.

Yes we also need comprehensive border policies. I am all for interviewing those who want to come here and do background checks on them for the purpose of filling jobs in fields we need. Allow those people in and give them a path to citizenship. Just do it in your own country and come when approved. Institute E-Verify and throw all those illegally here out as well as fine the crap out of corporations that hire people wi th out valid work permits.

While I don't think 29 miles of additional border wall will make any difference one way or the other, I'm certainly in agreement that we need to tighten the border and reform our immigration laws. The entire "do it in your own country" would mean that immigration law would need to be rewritten. And only congress can do that.

We have seen DeSantis send National Guard troops to the border. Florida, North Dakota, Idaho, Nebraska, Iowa, West Virginia, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Mississippi have all sent National Guard troops to the southern border. Abbott even set up razor wire on the banks of the Rio Grande and flotation devices in the river to help stop the surge of illegals entering our country. Thus far none of that has worked.

I enjoy when you join this forum, P.

Sorry Pit , but you posted on multiple occasions the “fact” that under Biden border policies border crossings were at a two year low. You said it repeatedly over a period of time. I would guarantee you that you were not saying that only during this month when you say crossings were low. You said it to support biden border policies when crossings were going thru the roof . Instead of admitting that current border policies were creating a disaster at the border you stuck with the same line when challenged about the border.

I would like you and me to drill down in this supposed two year low ostensibly due to biden border policies. I am looking at CPB stats right now for encounters. You obviously could not be referring to 2022 or 2023 because those monthly numbers range from a low of 145k to a high of 241k. Clearly there were no 2 year lows in there. In 2021 the year started with 72k and rose to 213k by the end of the FY. In 2020 the high during Trumps last FY was 58k. I see no way mathmatically for biden policies to have provided a two year low in border crossings.

Now it is true that the first two months of FY 21 were November and December of 2020 and were under trump policies. They were also the lowest numbers for 2021.

I just cannot see a way for what you said to be accurate but I also think what you said is irrelevant. The overwhelming data shows biden border policies to be a complete failure, and even the administration is admitting it now.

I posted during the time period that it was true only. If you have any evidence to the contrary please bring some evidence of that. You are either wrong or you're lying.

Illegal border crossings dip to lowest level in over 2 years

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/18/illegal-border-crossings-drop-00106934

That was Jun of 2023. It's not my fault you came late to the party claiming things that aren't true.

The border now certainly is a complete disaster. Even after Florida, North Dakota, Idaho, Nebraska, Iowa, West Virginia, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Mississippi have all sent National Guard troops to the southern border. Abbott even set up razor wire on the banks of the Rio Grande and flotation devices in the river to help stop the surge of illegals entering our country. Thus far none of that has worked.

If you plan to just keep repeating the same incorrect rhetoric, bring some evidence next time. It wasn't that long ago.

Ah, I see what you did. June of 2023. I never even looked at 23. Why?? Because numbers ranged from 145k (the month you were so excited about) to 200k+ for the entire 12 months. Ghastly numbers throughout the year. Much like 2022 wasn’t it. We know you were not just citing a month though. You were trying to send a message to everyone. Look Joe Biden border policies are working!! The question in my mind is “did you actually believe that or were you attempting to deceive?

Another question. In any of these posts did you specify the number of crossings or did you just say they were down? Also did you do a follow up post that august crossings had gone back up by 40-45k and September was up to over 200k. Answer to that was is of course because that would defeat the purpose of your misleading posts wouldn’t it. That would have shown that biden border policies were not working, were in fact, a disaster. But you did not want people to see that did you?

So you cited a one month stat that flew in the face of all the data. Really deceptive. Btw if people want to know, that one month low was of 145k. The last 3 months of trumps final FY averaged about 50k. 50k and you are trumpeting 145k as some sort of victory for biden border policies.

Btw, talk about late to the party, we are three years into this mess and you admit that under biden border policies the border is a disaster. Where have you been? Never mind that bidens second month in office we broke the 100k barrier and it has done nothing but go up since. Yes it is a complete disaster and Biden policies are to blame. It is too bad you lefties spent three years in denial instead of picking up your phone and calling your congressperson (if a dem) and tell to work with the repubs to get our border under control. The fact that everything these governors have done to help out has not fixed the problem should tell people like you how horribly bad it has gotten under biden border policies.

So you think I'm going to go back through months of posts because you want your questions answered? Do your own homework. It seems even now that I have proven that in June of 2023 that the numbers were the lowest in two years you still protest. Why would me posting the actual numbers be an attempt to deceive anyone? Is that what you call stating actual statistics now? There was nothing misleading about stating that fact.

Let's talk about what's misleading shall we? Trump era border policies did not end until the second week of May in 2023. All of those huge numbers you have stated since Biden became president prior to June of 2023 were the very same policies that trump set, not Biden. Those trump immigration polices were "emergency Covid policies" that gives a president more leeway to enact stricter policies that are actually counter to immigration laws due to it being a national health emergency. So why are you blaming Biden for the failure of trump's immigration policies? Are you trying to deceive people? Why are you leaving out those facts? It seems you are guilty of the exact thing you're blaming me of.

The FACT is that the first full month under the new Biden border policies, those numbers went down drastically. You didn't like that FACT. That's not a me problem.

Secondly, as I pointed out, Florida, North Dakota, Idaho, Nebraska, Iowa, West Virginia, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Mississippi have all sent National Guard troops to the southern border. Abbott even set up razor wire on the banks of the Rio Grande and flotation devices in the river to help stop the surge of illegals entering our country. Thus far none of that has worked.

Why is it you only point the finger at biden while not admitting that even with all of these Republican states making efforts to help stop the flow of immigrants, none of their efforts are helping anything either?

We all know why you refuse to mention that it was actually under trump's immigration policies those numbers were skyrocketing. We all know why you refused to say that even Republican efforts have failed to help. It's because through all of your bluster it's you who are trying to deceive people.

I have been right here. Where have you been? It was a disaster under trump's policies. It's been a disaster for decades. Sometimes a little better and sometimes worse. But it's you who seems unable to see that. Prior to May of 2023 it was trump's policies that were failing. Man up and stop blaming everyone else but yourself because you can't accept the truth.

Only congress can make laws. Only congress can rewrite our nation's immigration laws. Stop helping play the political football game and address the people actually responsible for our immigration problems for a change.

Well, with the exception of one question those were all rhetorical questions. And you need to get off the bologna about needing congress to control the border. We need congress to pass long term immigration reform, not to bring the border under control. I will say that the biden policies you love so much have made it way more difficult to bring the border under control. Thanks for that.

No pit, you did not post the number because you knew that anyone reading 145k crossings in June would know that your attempt to paint biden border policy was pure phony. That is why you did not show a number.

If biden border policies caused this drop it did not last long because 2 months later there were over 200k. Hmm.

Out of time for now.

Yes, let's...

By "Trump era border policies" you mean Title 42. Something that you said should be made permanent law... Now, because it brought illegal border crossings down for one month, you conveniently blame the entire mess on Trump. Only a fool would believe that rubbish, here's why:

These are the "Trump era policies" that Joey removed on his first day in office:


DEFERED ACTION FOR CHILDHOOD ARRIVALS
Biden reaffirmed DACA, an Obama-era program that Trump had long sought to dismantle that shielded undocumented immigrants who arrived in the U.S. as children from deportation.

BORDER WALL
Biden terminated the construction and funding of the wall at U.S. southern border — a key promise of the Trump administration that has drawn backlash for its environmental impacts and is being litigated at the Supreme Court for the allegedly improper use of funds.

EXECUTIVE ORDER REVISING IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT POLICIES
Revoking a Trump-era policy that cracked down on communities shielding undocumented immigrants from deportation, Biden vowed to “protect national and border security” and “address the humanitarian challenges at the southern border.”

FAMILY REUNIFICATION
Biden on Tuesday created a task force to reunite migrant families who were separated at the U.S.-Mexico border by Trump’s 2018 “zero tolerance” border strategy.

The task force, which will by led by U.S. Department of Homeland (DHS) Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, will consider the possibility of issuing visas or using other forms of immigration relief to reunite separated families.

ASYLUM AND REGIONAL MIGRATION
Biden on Tuesday issued three executive orders dealing with asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border, legal immigration and reunifying families.

The asylum-focused order mandated a review of the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), a controversial program that pushed 65,000 asylum seekers back to Mexico to wait for U.S. court hearings.

LEGAL IMMIGRATION
Biden’s executive order on legal immigration called for a review of a Trump-era rule that made it harder for poorer immigrants to obtain permanent residency in the United States.

The review of the so-called “public charge” rule is expected to start the process to rescind it, according to two people familiar with the plan.

INTERIOR ENFORCEMENT
Biden on his first day in office repealed a 2017 Trump executive order that intensified U.S. immigration enforcement within the country.



But none of that has anything to do with the disaster, right? It's just "Trump's" Title 42.

YES.

It's been a near three year disaster, but that one month -- things were looking good!

It's been a disaster for decades under both republican and Democrat presidents. Why don't you just own up to that? So it was "less of a disaster" under trump.

I see you aren't a fan of the fact that in June of 2023 there was a two year low either. Of course in a world where facts no longer matter I'm not surprised by that.

I see not being cruel to children is once again no problem for republicans. Because after all, it's after they are born and they are brown children.

You want me to own up to that? I have, and so has everyone else for twenty years.

Why not just can the paper, scissors, rock arguments and accept the fact that this president has exacerbated an existing border mess and created a crisis that gets worse everyday?

And your "June 2023" falls directly in line with you celebrating gas prices when they fell to $4, celebrating inflation dropping one month after rising for 20, etc, etc...


And yes, let's finally conclude with the race card and "evil GOPers" schtick. Let's spend millions bringing the previously deported parents here to reunite with children that should have never been left.

Hell, let's make it billions and offer the families $450,000 per person for those who were "separated". Separated because the parents (if there were actually parents present) never came back to pick them up after they were ordered to be deported.

5600 children that they can't seem to "reunite", when more than 152,000 arrived at the border in 2022 alone without a parent even present.




Biden's Border Policy in a nutshell:

Come here, you will get in. The chances of you not getting in are miniscule.

Bring your kids, they're basically a free ticket, and you may even receive a hefty payment if we forget to wipe their ass while you're away.

Worst case scenario? You'll face a day in court... some day, current estimates are like 5 years. In the meantime, you're free to roam! Better yet, (hell, there's so many of you!), just promise to report to ICE within 90 days, okay? Go over there and grab your care packages -- a bus will be here soon to take you to the city of your choice!

If things are still amiss, don't worry, there are 3000 loopholes and we're busy creating more daily!

You say as the party of no is in chaos and can’t govern.

I understand that when you provide bullet points with zero context it paints a certain picture. But not the picture you would like to present when context is added. So let's add some factual content on those bullet points....


But what is DACA actually? There are children who grew up here, which America paid to educate and help raise. Ready to be productive members of society who ended up here through no fault of their own which you now support to punish for that.


First of all, a president can not dictate to congress how they designate spending money. Congress had the authority to fund the building of more wall if it chose to. Thus far, even with a Republican controlled House, they have not. Secondly, as we should have all learned just as of late, the money that was still designated to build a fence, that so many call a wall, pays for 29 miles of border fence. I suppose it's your contention that by refusing to build that 29 miles of fence/wall created a disaster that caused the U.S border to be overwhelmed?


What policies had trump passed to punish sanctuary cities? How did anything Biden do here change those policies? Inquiring minds want to know.


Reuniting families... #buttheybrownkids

So you don't think these families needed to be reunited? Maybe you missed the fact that in the rush to separate families under trump, thousands of children were removed from their families and relocated without any record of where they were sent and no idea where they were. Yes, according to you it was a terrible thing that the Biden administration was going to find these lost children that our own government was responsible for losing in the first place. Then you go on to point the finger at something that was "considered".


That "push them back into Mexico" portion was one of the health emergency measures I spoke about before during the Covid emergency. You know the one's Republicans said never existed. That heard immunity was the answer. That we should have no mask mandate. That businesses shouldn't close. So that's what they were spewing right up until they could use Covid as an excuse for trump not to follow the law which allows them entry into the country in order to register for asylum. Then suddenly Covid was a huge emergency. Once again you think reunifying families of brown people is a bad thing. I guess the party of family values doesn't apply to brown people. That's twice now you have included that in your post about this. And then you point the finger at me because I point that out. Typical.


Yes, because you think only the wealthy should enter and not the poor? That people who actually need a better life for their families should not be allowed to enter and only the well off should be allowed in? We have millions of jobs employers can't fill because the pay scale is so low or the work and conditions are so poor that Americans won't take them. But according to you it seems people that could actually help fill that need are the exact people who should be excluded. Dear Lord. Do you mean to tell me you don't see how discriminatory and counterproductive that sounds?


Do you mean warrantless searches and targeting communities based on their racial demographics? You do realize those things are supposed to be illegal to begin with, right?

I'd like to see some actual evidence of that and what it actually says. You see, all you did was provide some bullet points with zero context. Actually with no source given. The total lack of context and with not posting your source it should be obvious what you attempted to do here. But that's what people tend to do these days thinking they actually made a point. I actually can't see where a single thing you posted had any actual impact on what is happening at the border.

Now before you go off half cocked, just remember what the penalty is for a first time offense for crossing the border illegally is.....

First Punishment for Crossing Border Illegally

When a person is caught illegally crossing the border—lawfully known as an improper entry—the first offense may include:

Civil penalty fine of $50 to $250
Imprisonment for up to six months
Both fines and imprisonment

https://www.lawfirm1.com/unlawful-entry/

A second offense carries much harsher penalties. However, if you think these guidelines are too lenient, that's something you need to address with congress. Or if you actually believe that a president can simply change laws as he pleases, it may have been something you should have taken up with trump.

And in your latest shot of hot air you are once again trying to make an issue out of something "being talked about". But as they say, "Necessity is the mother of invention".

Thank you. I don’t really enjoy posting in here truth be told. I definitely have opinions in a lot of these subjects but I dislike the uncivil way people speak to each other. This wasn’t always the case and I wish we could get back to some civility.

I do enjoy reading what you have to say. I’m probably a little to the right of you on most issues but I feel comfortable engaging with you because even though we disagree you treat others respectfully.

That was a lot of work to just say Biden bears no responsibility and I'm racist.

Kudos.

While you spent very little time and effort trying to point out things that have nothing to do with the actual border and the former administrations cruelty to brown children.

Thanks man. Likewise. We are probably closer than you think on the issues at least. I just happen to come down harder on the R side for the time being because in my mind it’s been hijacked by a much more crazy dynamic. More about the people than anything. I also think that they’ve drifted enormously far from their original intent.

That's because it's all a facade that low info libs like yourself have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

Talk to the hand, Larry.

I'm thinking you shouldn't ever discuss swallowing..

I didn't, that's how you got here.

Let’s make a few observations……Did a wall stop Hamas? Did a wall stop the Mongols? Did a wall stop freedom from entering eastern Germany?

The only one who didn't put any thought into their posts on here was you. Once I pointed out how your bullet points had zero to do with the actual border you folded like a cheap suit and all you can do is sling mud like a trumpian. You have been trained well.

When faced with something factual rather than empty bullet points without context, you're lost. Yet somehow wish to blame me for that. So go on with your trash. At this point that's all you have left.

Except that you don't present any relevant facts, only goalposts.

A monkey could have a more fruitful conversation with a magic-eight-ball.


3.8 million cross border under Biden... you say it's all Trump's fault.


152,000 children arrived at the border in 2022 without a parent even present.

But I'm racist and cruel to brown children... because you think (I use that word loosely) it's more pertinent to talk about the 5600 misplaced children while Trump was in office.

Arriving at the border and coming through are two different stats if you’re going to count.

So it's not really 30x more cruel, because they all didn't cross??

You don't read very well. The border has not been secure for decades. It's not trump's fault. It's not Biden's fault. I can go back to Reagan who granted amnesty to over two million immigrants. The border not being secure wasn't his fault either. Only congress can change immigration laws. Still no sources for your information I see.

What you are trying to do is point the finger at a single individual while no president has been able to secure that border. I mean if you wish to talk about how a monkey could have a more fruitful conversation with a magic-eight-ball. You haven't been interested in a fruitful conversation from the very beginning.

There were some emergency Covid measures that trump put in place that helped. But a president only has the power to do that during a national health emergency. There is a date and deadline at which time those expire. And only unless that national health crisis is still relevant and considered a pandemic can they be extended. They expired and the authority to continue those measures without a pandemic simply do not exist.

But I understand you do not wish to have an actual discussion about the facts surrounding this. And if you didn't want race brought into it, why in your rant was it mentioned twice that "Bad Biden" reunited brown families whose children the U.S. government had lost in the system? You said you were listing all of the bad things Biden had done to make things worse at the border. And nothing on your list really had anything to do with the actual border. And I'm sure funding those lost children didn't make things worse at the border.

I'm not the one who made sure to mention twice in the same post that "helping find lost brown children and reuniting their families" is included on my list of bad things. I didn't bring that up. You did. I just pointed it out.

If they didn't cross then how can you count them in the number that illegally crossed? Oh that's right, context doesn't matter. What's most important is the picture you're trying to paint.

You're arguing cruelty to brown children, what could be more cruel than dropping 150,000 at the border in one year??

Is this really that difficult??


And you respond with a smartass "context doesn't matter".

Who "dropped them" at the border? And what does that have to do how many illegal border crossing we have? Once again, you're the one that listed reuniting these families as a Biden policy that made things worse at the border. Now you are trying to sidestep the fact you did that by insinuating, "Yes but this is worse than what I said!" I never knew that saying context matters was a smart ass thing to say. I thought it was a statement of fact.

Here, they did all cross.

I'm sure (in some twisted way?) that makes it all better...

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-detention-child-migrants


And, as usual, you're lying again. I didn't say that particular policy change made things worse, I merely posted all of his policy changes -- that happened to be one of them.

I could have easily not posted that one (and considered it), but that would not be forthcoming. That would be like you ignoring a border crisis and stating that the numbers were down last Tuesday at 3:15 during a thunderstorm.

But somehow that set off your single-minded, shallow-as-hell, trigger... so that you could scream "racist!" for two pages. So predictable.

Are you trying to claim that trump had a policy that we weren't supposed to try and find those lost children to reunite them with their families? If so I would certainly like to see that one. No, what you did was copy and paste a list from some website. I don't think you did anything to fact check it whatsoever. So please, show the board where trump had some policy saying that these children weren't allowed to be found and reunited with their families and that was some trump policy that Biden changed. Since it's your wish to be forthcoming.

It is factual that in June of this year the numbers hit a two year low. For some reason that seems to be something you hate to admit or acknowledge. That's a you issue.

It's also factual that if gas were $10 per gallon for five years, and dropped to 9.99... it would be at a five year low. Nobody cares, the only thing they would "hate to admit" is that they need a car.

The rest of that doesn't even make any sense. You've buried the moving goalposts under the stadium.


Have a nice day, Lar 🤣

Shocking 3.8 million migrants have entered US since Biden took office — 1.5 million sneaked in and are still here

A jaw-dropping 3.8 million people have entered the United States through its borders since President Joe Biden took office in 2021 — nearly half of whom slipped into the country illegally and were never caught.

Over the last three years, 2,345,600 people have been granted Notices to Appear (NTAs) before an immigration court, according to figures compiled by Syracuse University’s TRAC immigration database.

NTAs are issued to people who arrive on US soil, hand themselves in to Border Patrol and claim asylum. If they are deemed to potentially have a case, they are assigned a hearing — often years in advance — where a judge will determine if they can remain in the country or will be deported. The filings provide an accurate picture of the number of migrants entering the country.

Over 1.23 million of those NTAs were issued in the Department of Homeland Security’s financial year 2023 alone, which runs from October 1 to September 30.

Those numbers are far from the full picture of people entering the country. Over the past three years more than 1.5 million so called “gotaways” — those who Customs and Borde Protection estimate have made it across the border into the country with being detected or caught — and those numbers have also steadily been increasing year-by-year.

In May 2023, the US Border Patrol reported at least 530,000 gotaways for the current fiscal year — just shy of the record-breaking 600,000 reported by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in all of the previous year, and eclipsing the 389,000 reported in 2021.

The year’s most up-to-date gotaway numbers remain unclear. US Border Patrol did not have the figures on hand when contacted by The Post, and the DHS did not respond to requests for comment by the time of publication.

Though there are less than ten days left in the fiscal year, the total numbers are far from settled as migrant arrivals continue to climb by the day.

Just over 180,000 NTAs were issued in August — a 19% increase over the previously record-breaking 151,910 issued in July.

The number of cases has completely overwhelmed the court system, leading to a nearly 2.7 million backlog in Immigration Court cases still pending, according to TRAC.

After crossing the border, the migrants have been dispersed across all fifty states, but in the past year four states have borne the brunt of the crisis — Texas with 170,475 people California with 165,186, Florida at 152,048, and New York with 145,690.





https://nypost.com/2023/09/21/shocking-3-8-million-migrants-have-entered-us-since-biden-took-office/

So in other words you have nothing to show that reuniting these children with their families was a reversal or change in trump policies. Yet you provided information claiming it did. Which speaks volumes to the intent of the information you provided and who the target audience was it was meant to reach and misinform. Thanks.

And in your latest post, it would appear that the 14 GOP states that have sent National Guard troops to the southern border has failed to help anything. That Texas governor Greg Abbott lining the banks of the Rio Grande with razor wire and flotation devices to stop the flow of illegals has also failed. Oh, that's right, none of their names are Biden.

Biden Ignores the Border Crisis He Created At His Political Peril | Opinion

"bUT ArrEStS ArE AT a 21 yEAr HiGh!!"

I see you refused to address and brought nothing to the table that shows where trump had an order not to reunite families. Instead you posted an opinion piece. Dodge, weave and deflect. Typical.

That's because I don't care about your silly little ancillary arguments. You can post about it 38 more times, won't matter.

In fact, I predict you'll choke out another senseless post right now. Either the Trump=bad angle or the fact that I 'refuse' to answer to something you've chosen to waterboard me with... that has nothing to do with the argument.

Get at it, lwl.

I know it doesn't matter to you. I realize you don't take responsibility for the fact that you posted it and know it was wrong. You wish to label that anything but what it is. You do realize that since you posted that as a part of your argument, it certainly has something to do with the argument, right? You're up next Moe.

Good dawgie.

Yes you are Moe. You showed up right on time. You're being your true self. Blaming me because you won't man up and defend your own words.

Your numbers may or may not be true- lets say they are- but lets review history- Operation Wetback- Ike's attempt to stem refugees- generations born and died- immigration still an issue. Trump had four years and spent billions to build the wall-----AND claimed it was finished- more lies. We lost the moral high ground when Trump split families in half at border---not only are we anti-immigrant, but anti family. Bonus- Trump and his underlings found guilty for fraud- Build the Wall fundraiser- they pocketed money. Seems everything Trump touches turns to stuff.

If we ever build an extensive wall- I doubt it because Mexico will never fund it, nor will the American electorate. The immigrants will tunnel under it, fly over it, cut through it, go around it.
Immigrants are like the drug trade- we need cheap labor- too many Americans want their illegal drugs- it is the world, it ain't going to change.

Wish we just make nice with our neighbors. Everyone knows these conservative white guys love those latina’s, and ain’t nothing wrong with it. Don’t fight it, just let it happen.

They're not allowed to, any more.
They've all signed on to the great Replacement Theory.

Gotta keep that blood "pure," you know-

Judge blocks Biden administration from destroying Texas border fencing
By Daniel Wiessner
October 30, 20235:31 PM EDTUpdated 3 days ago



Migrant family navigates bank of Rio Grande river in Eagle Pass
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Oct 30 (Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Monday temporarily blocked federal immigration authorities from destroying razor wire placed along the border with Mexico by the state of Texas to prevent migrants from crossing the Rio Grande river.

U.S. District Judge Alia Moses in Del Rio, Texas barred the Biden administration from cutting or removing the wire until at least Nov. 13, as she considers a lawsuit brought by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, a Republican, accusing the U.S. government of illegally destroying state property.


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Moses said the Biden administration would likely continue to damage the wire fencing absent a court order, pointing to allegations by Paxton that wire was destroyed even after his office filed the lawsuit last week.

"No great public calamity is apparent on this record to justify property destruction," wrote Moses, an appointee of Republican former President George W. Bush.

Moses said federal authorities could still move or cut wires "to aid individuals in medical distress."

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Paxton in a statement said the federal government's actions demonstrate "Biden's disturbing contempt for the State of Texas, for the citizens of the United States, and for our country’s entire foundation of the rule of law."

Neither the U.S. Department of Justice, nor the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) immediately responded to a request for comment. In response to the lawsuit, DHS has said it has a responsibility to act "when there are conditions that put our workforce or migrants at risk."

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The concertina wire fencing was installed on private property by the Texas National Guard as part of Operation Lone Star, an initiative launched by Republican Texas Governor Greg Abbott in 2021 aimed at deterring illegal border crossings.

Paxton's lawsuit claims U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents recently stepped up an existing practice of cutting, destroying or otherwise damaging wire that the state had strategically placed with landowners' permission.

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Moses is currently considering Paxton's motion to bar the destruction of wire pending the outcome of the lawsuit. A hearing is scheduled for Nov. 7.

Texas, meanwhile, is separately defending its authority to install floating buoys in the middle of the Rio Grande to deter migrants.

A federal judge at the Biden administration's request in September ordered the 1,000-foot (305-meter) barrier removed, but an appeals court allowed it to remain in place temporarily while Paxton's office pursues an appeal.

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Reporting by Daniel Wiessner in Albany, New York, Editing by Alexia Garamfalvi and David Gregorio

https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-blocks-biden-administration-destroying-texas-border-fencing-2023-10-30/#:~:text=Oct%2030%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20A,crossing%20the%20Rio%20Grande%20river.

Right isa not someone I follow but see his posts because of the “For You” feature. He is someone who thinks he is a journalist but is not. I am only posting this tweet because it shows what the government is doing to the fence Texas put up.

I hope my disclaimer is sufficient for all of you.

CANNOT make that stuff up.

What an absolute farce of a presidency.


*Cue Pit's stupid post about congress changing immigration law.

So first the claims are nothing is working and the border is not secure at all. The complaints are that record numbers are crossing the border as things are now. And now the complaint is the government is trying to remove something that isn't working. And you brought up stupid posts?

Please explain "remove something that isn't working". This should be good.

Your claim is that nothing was working. That it was all Biden's fault. That record numbers of illegals were crossing the border. So how can it be true this wire was working yet nothing was working and record numbers were crossing the border? 14 GOP governors have sent National Guard troops to the border as well. How is that working? You can't complain about record numbers crossing the border claiming nothing is working and then backtrack by trying to say some things are working and some things aren't. I'm sure glad they don't sell wire cutters and bolt cutters in Mexico.

Greg Abbott’s New Mexico Border Barrier Isn’t Doing Much—Besides Amusing Locals

Residents of El Paso and Sunland Park, New Mexico, agree illegal immigration is a problem, but the Texas governor’s newest effort is little more than a PR stunt.

If you’re making the short drive from El Paso to neighboring Sunland Park, the only indication you’d have that you’re crossing state lines is an announcement by GPS that sounds shortly after you cross the Anapra Bridge over the Rio Grande: “Welcome to New Mexico.” This is the same bridge beneath which, earlier this month, coils of concertina wire appeared, extending a couple of miles southeast along the Texas–New Mexico border. The new barrier was Texas governor Greg Abbott’s latest bit of theater intended to draw attention to migrant crossings into the Lone Star State. “Migrants are entering New Mexico illegally then crossing into Texas,” Abbott wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, accompanying a photo of the Texas National Guard unfurling the wire, like a big Slinky toy with razor teeth. “We are stopping it.” Denizens of the New Mexican town of 17,000—no strangers to migrant traffic—found that hard to believe.

Robert Ardovino, who lives in El Paso but runs a restaurant in Sunland Park, was commuting to work one morning in early October when he first noticed the wire. He remembered chuckling: “That’s a big old waste of money,” Ardovino said. What really tickled him was that the Texas state line at this point extends across the far western bank of the Rio Grande; evidently, in laying the barrier on the eastern side, the governor had gotten his state line wrong. “My first thought was, ‘Man, that son of a bitch is barricading Texas from Texas,’ ” he recalled.

Ardovino doesn’t need to be told that Sunland Park is an axis for illegal immigration. He named his restaurant Ardovino’s Desert Crossing both as an homage to Cormac McCarthy’s novel The Crossing and because it’s a frequent and popular transit point for migrants—and always has been.

The restaurant sits alongside a fledgling RV park populated by vintage trailers on a hill. The property offers a panoramic view of Sunland Park and its outskirts, including the border wall. On a recent afternoon, Ardovino pointed southeast toward the nearby Sierra de los Muleros—Spanish for “mule drivers’ mountain”—and noted the intricate network of footpaths, like scars in the hill, which straddles both sides of the border. “If there were cattle, you’d understand all the millions of trails through there, but there’s none,” he said. “These are all migrant trails. You go for a hike up there and follow any trail you want. They all lead to Mexico.”

Along the perimeter of his property, Ardovino erected a chain-link fence with razor wire on top last year, which set him back around $15,000. In the service and hospitality industries, immigration enforcement isn’t exactly good for business. “The first time a Border Patrol agent runs chasing someone into the dining room, I might as well just close the doors,” he said.

As we stood out on his property’s veranda, Ardovino suddenly pointed in the distance toward the desert basin: “Two migrants just ran right through there,” he said. Several minutes later, Ardovino’s dogs started barking, and I noticed a man, no more than a hundred yards from us, sprinting with his phone in hand. He stopped before a dirt road and ducked behind a mesquite bush, then charged forward again, crossing the path. “Guess he might get away,” Ardovino said. Just as soon as he’d uttered it, a Border Patrol truck came barreling down the dirt road, turning onto the one that the migrant had just crossed. The man had seemingly disappeared.

Sunland Park, perhaps best known for its casino and racetrack, has seen its fair share of physical infrastructure crop up in the name of border security. George W. Bush built a wall near town, which Trump refurbished. In 2019, a group of civilians, led by former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, got in on the fray and started erecting a wall, before city officials stopped them. (Bannon was later indicted on federal mail-fraud charges for some of his private-wall-building activities, but was pardoned by Trump before his trial.) This latest move in Abbott’s controversial Operation Lone Star, a nearly $10-billion initiative that launched in 2021 ($11 million has been spent on concertina wire alone) is just one more physical barrier. “Until President Biden does his job to secure the border,” Andrew Mahaleris, the governor’s press secretary, wrote in an email, “Texas will continue stepping up to protect our borders and Texans from this crisis.”

A few months ago, officials from Juárez and Sunland Park met to discuss the potential to build a new international port of entry between their two cities. Almost everyone in the area agrees that effective measures are needed to control the flow of migrants into the U.S. “I hate to hear New York complain about five hundred immigrants,” Ardovino said, referring to the migrant crisis in the Big Apple, where more than 100,000 migrants and asylum seekers, including 13,000 that Abbott had bused, have arrived in the last year. It prompted New York City mayor Eric Adams to declare a state of emergency earlier this month. “We’re at fifteen hundred a day.”

In Sunland Park, illegal immigration has become an issue for the community’s younger population—teens who, through social media, are solicited to assist smugglers by shuttling groups of people in vehicles for a hefty price. And it’s not uncommon for migrants to cross into Texas after entering the U.S. through New Mexico. The governor’s team did not provide data on how many migrants do so, but Mary Stillinger, a criminal defense attorney in El Paso, said that of her cases involving illegal entry, approximately half of them involve migrants who crossed the state line. “But here’s the thing,” she said. “They’re coming on the roads. They’re getting picked up in vehicles in New Mexico and then driving over here.” She added, “I’m not sure what Governor Abbott’s going to do about that.”

Folks in Sunland Park aren’t convinced that the barrier works, or that the concertina wire is anything more than a stunt aimed at attracting TV news cameras. No matter how many miles of fence Abbott orders installed along the Texas-Mexico border, how many floating barriers he sets in the Rio Grande, and how many busloads of migrants he sends to northern states, the volume of illegal immigration to Texas continues to increase. Data provided by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency shows that in its El Paso sector, which includes western Texas and New Mexico, the number of migrants encountered by agents has more than doubled between 2021 and 2023, to 427,471. Examining Texas’s role alone in this sector, the numbers have gone up from 68,946 in 2021 to 257,643 in 2023. Across the whole southern border, that number has risen from 1.7 million in 2021 to nearly 2.5 million this year. Over the same time period, Texas has unfurled 70,000 rolls of concertina wire on Abbott’s orders.

“Human ingenuity trumps everything,” said Sunland Park fire chief Daniel Medrano, who spent 27 years working for the El Paso Fire Department before assuming his current role. All along the border wall, he said, you’ll find pieces of rope migrants use to scale it. Medrano mentioned he’d also recently seen a video of a young mother using a piece of a cardboard box to lift up a segment of concertina wire so that her kids could crawl underneath. “The problem with the United States is that we are reacting to a problem. We’re putting painkillers on a broken bone. There is a root problem that needs to be addressed.”

If Medrano’s phone rings, it’s often an emergency related to a migrant. This past summer was particularly busy because of the heat, which reached record highs. “We lost track of how many bodies we helped recover,” Medrano said. Last year, Medrano had a different problem in the form of the border wall, where more than a hundred falls occurred. He said he saw a lot of open fractures, where the skin is penetrated by one or more broken bones—particularly femurs, which are surrounded by major arteries that can cause heavy bleeding. He also saw many back and head injuries. Several migrants had died.

Of the latest concertina wire installation, Medrano said he didn’t have any reason to believe it would amount to anything more than one additional obstacle for first responders trying to access the river during water rescues. Not to mention, Medrano said, the wire’s northern end stops before the Anapra Bridge, offering an easy pathway between states. “If I wanted to go around it, it’s very simple to go around it.”

I wanted to see the wire up close, so I drove to a convenience store in Sunland Park, right beside the Rio Grande, and wandered on foot down to the river. As Medrano told me, in so many ways, El Paso and Sunland Park are interconnected. New Mexico controls the flow of water in the Rio Grande here. In late October, it had limited the river’s flow one hundred miles upstream at the Caballo Dam, so the river here in Sunland Park was shrinking, revealing muddy islands and small pools of deeper water. Across the river on the eastern bank, the steel wire gleamed. I wanted to get a closer look and contemplated getting my feet wet to cross the riverbed. Then, I remembered the bridge. I clambered ashore and crossed over: It was as easy as that.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/new-mexico-border-wire-abbott/

A PR stunt you have fallen for and are defending with all of your might.

I said something about the efficacy of Abbott's attempts to keep out illegals??

No, I didn't... more LIES and GOALPOST MOVING.



More third-grade-level lame-ass comments. I don't know how you made it out of high school, maybe you didn't.






Study the pic, it will take about eight seconds...

If the razor-wire wasn't working, why did Sleepy Joe send people to raise it and allow more illegals in?
Keeping the same picture in mind (if you're capable), why would anyone need wire cutters?


"Hey Joe, people are gonna commit crimes anyway, what should we do??"
"Ummm, let's just hand out guns on the street corners."

Thank GOD this is almost over -- 13 months to go.

You were sucked in by another Republican PR stunt and all you have to respond to that is a personal attack against me. If anyone should be questioning a persons educational background based on that, it should be yours. Where is your evidence that Biden "sent people to do it"? I' sure he was in contact with the the foreman of the forklift operator to give those orders. lmo Just more factless accusations by you and your kind. You claim there's only 13 months to go? I see you're already planning to be an election denier.... again.

Go ahead and vote for the guy with 91 indictments against him. That speaks volumes about your character.

Texas sues Biden administration seeking to stop federal agents from cutting razor wire on border

Fake news??

Can you explain how that is connected to the picture you posted and what evidence you have that even suggests that "Sleepy Joe send people to raise it and allow more illegals in"? And you talk about other people moving the goal posts. I understand that Biden sees no sense in continuing what's nothing more than another Republican PR stunt. Of course that has nothing to do with the accusations you were making that he actually sent people to do what was contained in that picture. Rather than try to address that it was you who are moving the goal posts.

Because they've been cutting and moving razor wire for months. You haven't noticed because you keep your eyes covered and fingers in your ears.


A federal judge just ruled on it a few days ago.

Federal judge temporarily halts razor wire removal at border


So let me get this straight... since I'm the one "falling for a publicity stunt".

You're saying it's actually Texas moving that wire and just telling the world "because Joe Biden"?


You CANNOT possibly be that dumb.

I'll tell what I'm not dumb enough for. To try and claim that Biden ordered anyone to do this. The article plainly states that border patrol agents are doing this. You have provided nothing to link that to any orders coming from The White House. But keep throwing darts. I'm sure you'll land one somewhere eventually. There's a very tall ladder between the actions of border patrol agents and the oval office. So far you haven't managed to climb a single rung on the ladder.

Who is in charge of the border patrol?

Yep. You're right.

It's the Trump administration that's in charge of U.S. Border Patrol. The judge just got confused.

Done with amateur hour.

It's the Trump administration, Arch.

Trump did all this.

Do you have any evidence that the forklift is being operated by a border patrol agent? Let me show you how easy this is to cross. Nobody needs a forklift or help. They crawl under it all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EhkoRvhkLpQ

Other than that all you have done is show that there's a court case where Biden wants to remove the wire and Texas is fighting that measure in court.

As you can see, all they do is have one person uses a piece of clothing, hold up the razor wire and other crawl underneath it. You have fallen for a PR stunt hook, line and sinker. Even the video you posted looks like a PR stunt to further an agenda with zero evidence that the border patrol or any government entity is involved. I've simply waited to show you this to see how deep you would dig your rabbit hole.

And of course arch waited to come and pull up the rear because you made false claims you can't back up but he liked what you were saying. lmao

I can also escape lava run from a volcano. You know whats easier? Not having to escape lava run from a volcano.

Yep, yep. No DNA evidence. It must all be a ruse.

You lose, again, with your insanity laden goalpost-moving littering of gibberish throughout this thread.


Your president is a feckless leader incapable of overseeing the crisis of running out of peanut butter. You know it, everyone knows it. Every problem we've had since he took over has been exacerbated by he and his incapable staff of "firsts'.

But again, at least it's almost over.

He's your president too. Unless of course you are a citizen of a different country.

So you have zero evidence this has anything to do with the border patrol, I've shown you how easy it is and how easily these immigrants go under the wire and all you can do is move the goal posts and go into a personal rant. You have been sucked in again.

So your claim is the heavy equipment used by the border patrol isn't marked as such?

And you claim I lose?

MURDOCK: ‘Border’ Is Where Biden’s Normalcy Goes to Die

(Deroy Murdock, Headline USA)


Joe Biden became president largely by promising to Make America Normal Again.

The shambolic U.S.-Mexico “border” confirms how Biden shattered that promise. There is nothing normal about the coast-to-coast disaster over which he governs, thanks largely to Biden’s deeply abnormal definition of border security.

Under Biden, the southern “border” has become a giant, open-air staging ground from which illegal aliens bludgeon U.S. territorial integrity and national sovereignty.

U.S. Border Patrol agents apprehended 1,671,266 illegal aliens during President Donald J. Trump’s final 27 months in power. In Biden’s first 27 months, they encountered a breathtaking 5,249,144 illegals—up a skin-crawling 314%.

In Fiscal Year 2020, the last that Trump fully controlled, 69,000 illegal migrants were detected on the “border” but got away into America’s interior. In FY 2022 (all Biden’s watch), gotaways hit 599,000—up a mind-blowing 768% versus FY ’20.

Federal agents busted an Afghan illegal alien on May 10 at Otay Mesa, California, near San Diego. His fingerprints confirmed his spot on the terrorist watch list.

This fanatic is hardly alone. Terror-list designees arrested at the “border” have exploded from three in FY 2020, with Trump fully in control, to 15 in FY 2021, 98 in FY 2022, and 85 through April—just halfway through FY 2023.

And these were those who were intercepted.

Aside from the 183 suspected terrorists apprehended on Biden’s watch, how many walk America’s streets today? Who knows?

As if the U.S. needed more homeless people, illegal aliens who get waved into America now clog the sidewalks and alleys of El Paso and other cities.

Even more illegals receive court dates for asylum hearings—in 2026, 2027, and beyond. What will they do until then? Who knows?

Free bus rides whisk illegal aliens to Chicago, where some have slept on the floors of local police stations. A plan to house 250 to 500 illegals in the abandoned South Shore High School enraged predominantly black locals.

“Send them back!” some yelled at a community meeting on the matter. One protester’s placard read: “Build the Wall 2024.”

“We have no jobs in our community, and we have been fighting for jobs for decades,” resident Natasha Dunn told the Chicago Sun-Times. “So, please tell me, how is this fair?”

Rather than instruct illegal aliens on incoming buses to return to the southern “border” and swim home, Mayor Eric Adams, D-NYC, tried housing them in government-school gymnasia. Parents erupted, and Adams backed down.

Regardless, he still shoehorns illegals into luxury hotel rooms that cost taxpayers some $258-per-night each. Cost to aliens: $0.00.

Midtown Manhattan’s legendary Roosevelt Hotel is becoming an illegal-alien shelter.

“Almost 50 percent of those hotel rooms are taken up by migrant asylum seekers that [sic] we are paying for,” Adams said. “So instead of monies coming from people who are visiting us and spending in our tourism, in our Broadway plays, instead of them using those hotels, we are using those hotels.”

“New York’s combined state and local hotel taxes total 14.75%,” the Federation for American Immigration Reform’s Ira Mehlman observed. “So, not only is the city paying to house the migrants, they are losing substantial revenues on hotel occupancy taxes.”

These are just a few glimpses of the chaos that flows downhill from Biden’s busted “border.” Worse of all, this is neither an accident nor incompetence. At this pace, Biden’s deliberate policy will vacuum 9.3 million illegal aliens into America before his current term ends.

Biden and his comrades are betting that these illegals are Future Democrats of America who will be so grateful for being allowed to invade the USA that they will vote Democrat, flip GOP states Democrat, permanently transform the White House into the private property of the Democrat National Committee, and devolve America into a neo-Marxist, one-party state.

In November 2024, Biden and the Democrats deserve to vanish beneath an electoral landslide that is anything but normal.


https://headlineusa.com/murdock-border-biden-normalcy-die/



Nothing to see here, folks. It's all a PR stunt!

Since you are so tweaked out that I have no evidence that it's the same people that have been moving razor wire for almost a year... and want to go with your usual "No DNA, no proof"... why don't you go ahead and show me proof that it's NOT Biden's Border Patrol.

I'll wait.

So once again you move the goal post. What does that have to do with your claim that a border agent was operating a fork lift and helping immigrants to cross the border? Let me tell you. Nothing. Once you were shown to be wrong you pivoted to something else like you always do. Take the L.

The border is a mess. When did anyone claim any different? Sometimes it's less of a mess and sometimes more of a mess.

Not only don't you have DNA proof, you don't have any proof. There are no Border Patrol markings on the equipment and there's no way to identify the operator.

I guess you forgot how making accusations work. The one throwing out accusations with no evidence has the burden of proving those accusations. Only in Trumplandia does it work the other way around.

"Sometimes it's less of a mess and sometimes more of a mess."




No truer words ever spoken.

So, prove it's not Biden's Border Patrol... I demand evidence.

From a person making accusations that has no evidence that's hilarious.

Don't cop out.

Where's the evidence it's not Border Patrol??

You've been raving about evidence for two days. Where's yours??

So far we have: Pit can't find any "Border Patrol markings" on the front forks of the equipment from 500 feet away... there has got to be more than that!


I mean, we don't want to be forced to believe it's the same people that have been doing it for nearly a year, have received a federal court order to stop, and are being sued by the state of Texas.


Are you starting to realize how ridiculous you sound yet??

You sound like MTG telling me I need to prove there's no such thing as Jewish Space Lasers. I'll tell you the same thing i would tell her. I'm not the one who claimed there are Jewish Space lasers.

So no evidence then?

That's correct, you have no evidence. I provided you with a link that shows immigrants need nothing more than a shirt to lift the wire and crawl underneath it. It shows them doing so. They don't need someone to lift it with a fork lift. That's clear evidence that this "great razor wire barrier" has zero impact in preventing immigrants from coming into our country. That it's purely nothing more than a PR stunt by Abott.

That's more evidence than you've shown in this entire thread. I realize that you have dug your rabbit hole so deep you can't climb out of it now. If you need a ladder to accomplish that just send the GPS coordinates and I will bring you one.

I get it. You've made a fool of yourself again, now you want to argue the pros and cons of making one's way through razor wire. Every argument from your side is "they're going to get through anyway". It's always the go-to box on the flowchart to evade any legitimate argument. Your president sucks. He's created a disaster at the border and does nothing to fix it.

Enjoy your loss. You're like 0-32 on the week. Maybe eat some smart pills next week.

At least MY President isn't running from the law.

As for all the crap he's being accused of, show me PROOF... All you and the GOP has is guess work and hopes. I can't wait until they impeach him then we'll see what's under the hood. Just my guess, but I bet they won't impeach him. that would require them to show all the cards...

By the way I keep hearing about how bad the economy is, but all indicators are saying it's strong.. Inflation is up but we'll see that drop pretty much like it always does.

You got no real reason to dislike Biden,,, just what Fox News tells you to think.. Good luck with that.

Nice immigration post.

Let me sum up that word salad...

"Biden good, Trump baaaad". Same old, same old, groundhog's day drivel you've been slobbering for three years.


I actually like Biden, in a "met this guy in the park walking the dog" kinda way. I'm sure I'd walk away thinking he's a great guy.

As far as a leader? The worst in the history of the U.S. presidency. Every time I think it can't possibly get more terrible, he says "hold my kool-aid".

By the time he gets the boot, even you will be relieved. You won't admit he did a damned thing wrong -- but you'll be relieved.

Drama for the sake of drama is what GoPeRs do… They have no answers, just bitches and complaints.

And I would say the reason it was lifted was for humanitarian aid, to keep them from dying by trying to pass anyway. I don’t know for sure, but I do know Biden isn’t letting illegals in just to let them in, that’s as ridiculous as saying Trump won in 2020.

Why would they be dying? They can walk right through the razor wire. Right Pit??

Talk about two drastic POVs... one lib says the razor wire is killing them, the other says it's you just lift it with a jacket and voila!

PR stunt or deadly obstacle, I wonder which one it is.

Either way it was deplorable.

Texas says Border Patrol responded to razor wire lawsuit by bringing out a forklift

Benjamin Wermund
Washington Bureau
Oct. 27, 2023
Updated: Oct. 27, 2023 5:11 p.m.


WASHINGTON — Texas is seeking a restraining order against Border Patrol after the state says federal agents responded to its lawsuit alleging the destruction of state-owned razor wire by trading bolt cutters for an “industrial-strength” forklift.

In a motion filed Friday, the state claims that two days after Attorney General Ken Paxton sued earlier this week to stop Border Patrol from cutting through the miles of razor wire the state has placed along the Rio Grande, the federal government on Thursday brought out a forklift to pick up spools of wire to let a large group of migrants through.

The filing, which included a picture of the incident and a sworn statement from a Texas Military Department sergeant who witnessed it, deemed the forklift a “brazen escalation” and “an affront” to Texas.

“This court should immediately grant a temporary restraining order to enjoin defendants from continuing to damage, destroy, or otherwise meddle with Texas’s concertina wire fence until the court can rule,” the filing said.

Border Patrol has warned that the wire is keeping agents from reaching at-risk migrants — including families with infants and unaccompanied children — and increasing the risk of drownings as some struggle to leave the water. Agents have cut through the wire periodically in the past.

The Department of Homeland Security declined to comment on the filing. A spokesperson said in a statement earlier this week that “Border Patrol agents have a responsibility under federal law to take those who have crossed onto U.S. soil without authorization into custody for processing, as well as to act when there are conditions that put our workforce or migrants at risk.”

Texas alleges Border Patrol has been ripping up more wire than ever before over the past few weeks, pointing in its original lawsuit to more than 20 instances of agents seizing or cutting wire since Sept. 20. The lawsuit argues agents have no authority to damage or seize state property that is not on federal land and their actions are thwarting state border operations.

In the latest filing, Brian Cooney, a staff sergeant for the Texas Military Department, said he watched as the Border Patrol dug the forklift into the wire and “lifted the barrier high enough to pull out of the ground the fencing stakes that kept the fence in place, and held it suspended in the air for approximately 20 minutes.”

Cooney said federal agents began to help 310 migrants through the gap and did not put the stakes back in place after, meaning the fence would have to be repaired by state engineers.

Afterward, Cooney said, the agents parked the forklift up a nearby hill.

“It seemed likely that BP might use the machinery again to lift the concertina wire fence,” Cooney said.

While the lawsuit ratcheted up tensions between federal immigration officials and the state over the use of razor wire, Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw this week called Border Patrol agents “good team players” who work “seamlessly” with state officials on the ground.

“We enjoy their cooperation and coordination,” McCraw said in an interview Thursday. “There’s no friction.”


https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/border-wire-forklift-18452738.php

#theyarelyingitsadeepfakefromTrump
#itsallaPRstunt
#checkthelicenseplateprobablygregabbotts
#whydonttheyjumptherazorwirelikespiderman?

Oh snap

Here's the foolishness in your premise. Border patrol serves no function that would give them any reason to possess such a piece of equipment in the first place. What you pictured was a commercial grade construction forklift. I did show you that all one needs is a short to lift the razor wire. Something you can try and dodge all you like. Of course those who support Abbott have made "allegations". But allegations doesn't mean it's factual. Of course those speaking for Abbott claim that the border patrol needed a commercial grade fork lift to lift 50 pounds of razor wire and once again you have bought into it.

Maybe you're not clear on what the word allegation means?

They can crawl right under it and they do.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EhkoRvhkLpQ

Yeah no kidding…Biden driving a forklift. Lol

Doesn’t take much to know who has handled razor wire before… it’s not barbed wire. Got an old friend with a 7 inch scar on his neck from mishandling concertina wire (coiled razor wire) in the Army. He’d tell you what that jacket would do against it…

Tell Pit, he seems to think it's "easy as pie".

No matter what is done there will always be a way around it. People can dig tunnels under jails, doesn't mean you tear down all the jails and let the criminals run free. Anything that is done is better than nothing at all.

No [censored], Sherlock.

Done with your shenanigans. You've made a fool of yourself... again. Enjoy your L. You're worse than the Browns, just when you think you've seen it all -- a new way to lose.

I supplied you a video showing how easy it is. You seem to deny the existence of it.


Even things you've been shown not to work at all it appears.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Sounds like a good campaign slogan for Sleepy Joe. The same thing being 'nothing'.

So you win with "Biden's forklift"?

You seem to be angry about how easily I've shown they can crawl under that razor wire. It seems to blow your entire theory. Others might consider that a learning experience.

Or you could vote for a man that could be the author of the criminal playbook. Stop pretending there's a good option here and that somehow Biden is worse than the opposing candidate they're about to order up. It makes you appear to be foolish.

...Trump write a book? Maybe he could color in pictures in a children's book. Of course, even then I doubt he could stay within the lines.

And you seem to ignore the video. The border patrol agent standing, and all of the cop/border patrol vehicles there. Detaining them.

He lives in his own special little world of make believe. Out of the mold of "if I repeat the same bs enough people will believe it"... only nobody does.

By tomorrow it will be Greg Abbott stole the "industrial strength" forklift from Oprah and Don Knotts raised the fence in a PR move.


Whoah.... after being brainwashed by Trump (almost forgot the Trump!!)

There's an article in the most recent Reader's Digest about how to deal with certain people. One of the types of people is the "contrarion". It describes pit to a tee.

Don’t look now, but here comes Joe and his forklift. Lol

So now your complaint is that they're detaining them? I thought that was their job?

Does it talk about what type of person makes baseless claims and just follows along with anything they want to believe? Most call those blind followers. Which is pretty much all you do. You wait for someone else to attempt asserting stupid claims and then afterwords come along and pull up the rear, which seems to be quite a comfortable position for you, like the mob mentality your kind is known for. Luckily for me you just happen to suck at it.

There I fixed it for you. Nobody in their right mind believes Biden sent a forklift to raise wire at the border except for dimwitted followers.

Dawgtalkers. Where naivete turns to brazen, blindfolded stupidity.

Recognizing you have a problem is half the battle. Good luck with the other half.

lwl?

Awe, now you're pulling up the rear with arch's lame ass BS. Stop blaming me because you're a quitter.



But it's nice to see you've come to the realization of just how stupid "Biden's forklift" sounds. On one hand you state a fact that there have been BP agents that have cut the wire. Then you claimed they sent a forklift to do that job.

I thought you could read? I changed my mind. Oprah sent the forklift.

That makes about as much sense as Biden sending it. At least you're consistent with your absurdity.

Biden Deploys Bulldozer To Lift Border Fence, Letting Illegals In

ByTruth PressPublished5 days ago


Cameras captured the moment Border Patrol used heavy machinery to raise concertina wire erected by Texas authorities – just as a group of more than 300 illegal aliens ‘coincidentally’ arrived in the area and stormed the river bank at Eagle Pass, TX, Border Hawk reported.

“This huge caravan of around 300 migrants crossed into Eagle Pass thanks to Border Patrol lifting the barbed wire. Hundreds of migrants crossed in a few minutes,” Border Hawk correspondent Efraín González reports.

“Somehow, these large groups of migrants are informed about the place and time when the forklifts raise the barbed wire to cross in groups.”

Following last month’s historic invasion of Eagle Pass, Texas, the number of migrants arriving by train is climbing again in Piedras Negras, Mexico.

Last month, large groups of migrants, mostly from Venezuela, have been wading across the Rio Grande river near a railroad bridge in Eagle Pass, Texas, undeterred by coils of razor wire laid along the banks.

Reuters witnessed migrants crossing, sometimes dozens at a time and at times with small children, navigating strong currents to then make their way through the sharp wire put up by the Texas national guard. Once on U.S. soil they waited in the hot sun to turn themselves in to U.S. border officials for processing.

Under a new rule put in place in May by the administration of President Joe Biden, migrants who have not sought an appointment to cross at a legal port of entry on a government-run cellphone app known as CBP One can face a higher bar to asylum and potentially swift deportation.

Migrant numbers had initially plummeted after the announcement, but in recent weeks began rising again as thousands of migrants – many fleeing Venezuela – making their way through south and central America began arriving at the border.

The upswing in arrivals has generated a new wave of political attacks on Biden, who is running for re-election next year. Former President Donald Trump, who made hardline immigration policy central to his term in office, is leading in Republican polls as a likely challenger to Biden in 2024.

Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott has repeatedly blasted Biden, a Democrat, for not doing enough to curb illegal immigration at the U.S.-Mexico border, with numbers of migrant crossings on pace to approach record highs in September.

Texas authorities placed massive floating buoys in the middle of the Rio Grande in an attempt to deter migrants, but earlier this month a U.S. federal judge ordered the state to remove them to the embankment. Texas is appealing the ruling.

Abbott says small border towns have been overwhelmed and criticized Border Patrol agents on social media on Sept. 20 for cutting down wire installed by the state.

“The concertina wire and other structures that have been placed along the border are to deter these dangerous and illegal crossings,” Texas Department of Public Safety Press Secretary Ericka Miller said.

A spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection noted that once migrants cross the river they are on U.S. soil. The Border Patrol has the right to remove or alter obstacles in order to be able to safely take migrants into custody, the agency has said.

“If they start getting swept away by the currents, if they start succumbing to the environment, the extreme temperatures, the humidity you all feel right now, and my men and women see that, they are not going to let somebody die or get into harm’s way,” Border Patrol Chief Jason Owens said in a statement to reporters in Eagle Pass on Tuesday.

Earlier this month nine migrants died as they were trying to cross the river into Eagle Pass.

Neither the physical barriers put up by Texas nor the Biden administration message that crossing illegally could have tougher immigration consequences have apparently deterred the hundreds of migrants crossing into Eagle Pass from the Mexican border city of Piedras Negras. Many arrive following a long journey on top of cargo trains.

The arrival of groups of migrants throughout the week also comes despite efforts by Mexican authorities to stop them from traveling north across the country.

The Department of Homeland Security did not respond to requests for comments on the crossings in Eagle Pass. Mexican immigration officials did not respond to a request for comment.

“We want a better future for our families,” Venezuelan migrant Johendry Chourio said on Thursday after arriving in Piedras Negras by train. “We want to get ahead and we’re eager to work.”

https://truthpress.com/news/biden-deploys-bulldozer-to-lift-border-fence-letting-illegals-in/

From your source....








It seems they can't even tell the difference between a bulldozer and a forklift. Yeah, that's some real reliable journalism you have there.

Once again zero evidence that the forklift was supplied or operated by the border patrol. #sheeple

Yep. No DNA evidence.

Everyone is lying, including federal judges and Texas law enforcement.

If you want the real story, talk to Pit on Dawgtalkers.

Everyone is saying? Who are you claiming "everyone to be"? that's the same incoherent rambling we heard about the election being stolen. "People are saying.... A lot of people are saying.... Everyone is saying" So the election was stolen too, right? Because, I mean "everybody is saying".... lmao

You can stop making excuses for lame ass sources any time now. Not only don't you have DNA evidence, the only evidence you have is that a forklift was there. That's not really a threshold that constitutes evidence.

And if they want the real story, they certainly can't talk to you.

These people are lying... sworn statements in a lawsuit against the federal government. Their pictures and videos are lying too, uh... because Trump!

Who cares about federal perjury charges when you can create the strange illusion that Pit from Dawgtalkers has no idea what he's talking about??





IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
DEL RIO DIVISION
THE STATE OF TEXAS,
Plaintiff,
v.
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
SECURITY, ALEJANDRO
MAYORKAS, in his official capacity as
Secretary of the U.S. Department of
Homeland Security, U.S. CUSTOMS &
BORDER PROTECTION, U.S.
BORDER PATROL, TROY A.
MILLER, in his official capacity as
Acting Commissioner for U.S.
Customers & Border Protection, JASON
OWENS, in his official capacity as Chief
of the U.S. Border Patrol, and JUAN
BERNAL, in his official capacity as
Acting Chief Patrol Agent, Del Rio
Sector U.S. Border Patrol
Defendants.
§
§
§
§


Civil Action No. DR-23-CV-00055-AM
ORDER
Pending before the Court is the State of Texas’s (“the Plaintiff”) Emergency Motion for a
Temporary Restraining Order or Stay of Agency Action (“the Motion”) against the United States
Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”); Alejandro Mayorkas, in his official capacity as
Secretary of DHS (“Mayorkas”); United States Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”); United
States Border Patrol (“BP”); Troy A. Miller, in his official capacity as Acting Commissioner for
CBP (“Miller”); Jason Owens, in his official capacity as Chief of BP (“Owens”); and Juan Bernal,
in his official capacity as Acting Chief Patrol Agent of the Del Rio Sector of BP (“Bernal”)
(collectively, “the Defendants”). (ECF No. 5.) As explained below, the Court GRANTS the
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Motion for a temporary restraining order until the parties have an opportunity to present evidence
at a preliminary injunction hearing before the Court.
II. BACKGROUND
On October 24, 2023, the Plaintiff commenced this civil action against the Defendants
when it filed a Complaint. (ECF No. 1.) According to the Plaintiff, this lawsuit was filed because
federal officials are allegedly destroying the Plaintiff’s property by cutting the Plaintiff’s
concertina wire located near the United States-Mexico border. (ECF No. 5 at 2; ECF No 5-1.)
The Plaintiff believes that this property destruction is intended to allow migrants to enter the
country. (ECF No. 5 at 2.)
The Plaintiff contends that since September 20, 2023, this property destruction has
accelerated. (ECF No. 5 at 2.) Pictures, video, and declarations from various officials associated
with the Plaintiff detail specific instances when the federal government allegedly damaged the
Plaintiff’s property and consequently allowed migrants to enter. (See, e.g., ECF No. 5-1.) The
Plaintiff raises numerous claims against the Defendants, including common law conversion,
common law trespass to chattels, and Administrative Procedure Act violations. (ECF No. 1 at 23-
28.) The Plaintiff also seeks a preliminary and permanent injunction enjoining the Defendants
from interfering with the Plaintiff’s property; a stay of agency action; a declaration that
Defendant’s actions are unlawful; and costs. (Id. at 28-29.)
In the Complaint and some documents filed with the Court, the Plaintiff establishes that
the wire barrier is on private property with the permission of the owners and/or municipal
authority. (ECF No. 1 at ¶¶ 5, 11, 59; ECF No. 3-2 at 9.) Documents executed between the
Plaintiff and the landowners provide the Plaintiff with a basis for its presence on the border
properties. (ECF No. 3-2 at 9.)
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On October 24, 2023, the Plaintiff filed an unopposed motion for leave to exceed the page
limits for its motion for a preliminary injunction, along with the preliminary injunction motion.
(ECF No. 3.) On October 27, 2023, the Plaintiff filed the instant Motion. (ECF No. 5.) On
October 28, 2023, the Plaintiff filed the declaration of another individual associated with the
Plaintiff concerning the Defendants allegedly damaging more concertina wires. (ECF No. 8-1.)
III. STANDARD OF REVIEW
Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65(b) states that a court may issue a temporary restraining
order without notice to the adverse party only if the “specific facts in an affidavit or a verified
complaint clearly show that immediate or irreparable injury, loss, or damage will result to the
movant before the adverse party can be heard in opposition” and “the movant’s attorney certifies
in writing any efforts made to give notice and the reasons why it should not be required.” Fed. R.
Civ. P. 65(b).
Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65 continues:
Every temporary restraining order issued without notice must state
the date and hour it was issued; describe the injury and state why it
is irreparable; state why the order was issued without notice; and be
promptly filed in the clerk’s office and entered in the record. The
order expires at the time after entry – not to exceed 14 days – that
the court sets, unless before that time the court, for good cause,
extends it for a like period or the adverse party consents to a longer
extension. The reasons for an extension must be entered in the
record. Fed. R. Civ. P. 65(b)(2) (cleaned up); see also Pomeroy,
Inc. v. Norder Opportunity Saver Sys., Inc., 2010 WL 11652127, at
*4 (W.D. Tex. Feb. 23, 2010).
If the Court issues a temporary restraining order, the nonmovants must receive seven days’ notice
before the preliminary injunction hearing is held. Fed. R. Civ. P. 6(c).
To succeed on a motion for a temporary restraining order, the movant must establish four
elements: (1) “a substantial likelihood that the movant will prevail on the merits”; (2) “a substantial
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threat that irreparable harm will result if the injunction is not granted”; (3) “the threatened injury
outweighs the threatened harm to the defendant”; and (4) the injunction “will not disserve the
public interest.” Clark v. Pichard, 812 F.2d 991, 993 (5th Cir. 1987) (citation omitted). Elements
three and four merge “when the Government is the opposing party.” Nken v. Holder, 556 U.S.
418, 435-36 (2009). The decision whether to grant a temporary restraining order “is within the
sound discretion of the district court.” Rockwell, 2019 WL 2745754, at *2 (citing Miss. Power &
Light Co. v. United Gas Pipe Line Co., 760 F.2d 618, 621 (5th Cir. 1985)). Emergency injunctive
relief is an extraordinary remedy that should not be granted when the evidence supporting it fails
to support such a finding. See Clark, 812 F.2d at 993 (citations omitted).
IV. ANALYSIS
The Plaintiff requests “an order temporarily restraining Defendants from damaging,
destroying, or otherwise interfering with Texas’s concertina wire fence while” the preliminary
injunction motion remains pending. (ECF No. 5 at 8.) The Court shall grant the temporary relief
requested, with one important exception for any medical emergency that mostly likely results in
serious bodily injury or death to a person, absent any boats or other life-saving apparatus available
to avoid such medical emergencies prior to reaching the concertina wire barrier.
A. Likelihood of Success on the Merits
The Plaintiff argues that it is likely to succeed on its common law trespass to chattels claim
because “[1] the concertina wire is state property; [2] Defendants have exercised dominion over
that property absent any kind of exigency; and [3] they have continued to do so even after being
put on notice of [the Plaintiff’s] interest in the property.” (ECF No. 5 at 5.)
Failure to prove a claim “with certainty . . . does not foreclose” a temporary restraining
order. Texas v. Seatrain Int’l, S. A., 518 F.2d 175, 180 (5th Cir. 1975). “To assess the likelihood
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of success on the merits, we look to standards provided by the substantive law.” Janvey v. Alguire,
647 F.3d 585, 596 (5th Cir. 2011) (quotation marks and citation omitted). Under Texas common
law, a trespass to chattels is “an injury to, or interference with, possession, unlawfully, with or
without the exercise of physical force.” Mountain States Tel. & Tel. Co. v. Vowell Constr. Co.,
341 S.W.2d 148, 149-50 (Tex. 1960) (citation and quotation marks omitted) (affirming a judgment
finding a trespass to chattels where a construction company severed another company’s
communications cable); see also Omnibus Int’l, Inc. v. AT & T, Inc., 111 S.W.3d 818, 826 (Tex.
App. - Dallas 2003) (stating that trespass to chattels applies to use or possession). “For liability to
attach, causing actual damage to the property or depriving the owner of its use for a substantial
period must accompany the wrongful interference.” Omnibus Int’l, Inc., 111 S.W.3d at 826 (citing
Zapata v. Ford Motor Credit Co., 615 S.W.2d 198, 201 (Tex. 1981)). A “great public calamity”
can justify property destruction. Steele v. City of Houston, 603 S.W.2d 786, 791 (Tex. 1980).
Here, the Plaintiff is likely to succeed on its trespass to chattels claim. First, the Plaintiff
established that it owns the concertina wires. Mountain States Tel. & Tel. Co., 341 S.W.2d at 149-
50. Brian Cooney, a Texas Military Department employee, averred that he has observed Texas
Military Department officials “construct, maintain, and repair Texas’s concertina wire fence” in
the Eagle Pass, Texas area. (ECF No. 5-1, ¶¶ 1, 3; see also ECF No. 3-2 at 15, 23) (Michael Banks,
a special adviser on border matters to the Texas governor, averred that he saw federal officials on
September 20, 2023 cut “Texas’s wire.”)).1

1
Although Cooney’s declaration was one of two sworn declarations attached to the Motion (ECF
No. 5-1; ECF No. 8-1), the Plaintiff incorporates the declarations of others by referring to the
Plaintiff’s motion for a preliminary injunction. (See, e.g., ECF No. 5 at 5-6.) Moreover, although
Manuel Perez, a Texas Military Department official, submitted a declaration that supports that the
Plaintiff owns the wires (ECF No. 3-2 at 4-5), that declaration was unsworn and otherwise failed
to include a penalty of perjury statement. 28 U.S.C. § 1746. Thus, the Court will not rely on that
document.
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Second, the Plaintiff established that the Defendants “actual[ly] damage[d]” the
concertina wires. Omnibus Int’l, Inc., 111 S.W.3d at 826. According to Cooney, a Border Patrol
agent operating a forklift on October 26, 2023, near Eagle Pass, Texas “inserted pallet forks into
the concertina wire barrier, lifted the barrier high enough to pull the fencing stakes that kept the
fence in place out of the ground, and held it suspended in the air for approximately 20 minutes,”
which created a large enough gap for migrants to pass through. (ECF No. 5-1, ¶ 7.) According to
Cooney, “[a]fter the last of the migrants passed through the concertina wire that had been raised
by . . . the forklift, the BP agent operating it lowered the wire.” (Id. ¶ 12.) But, Cooney avers, the
stakes attached to the concertina wire and that helped keep the wire situated “were not put back
into the ground” and consequently, Texas Military Department engineers must repair the
concertina wire. (Id.; see also ECF No. 3-1 at 16-18 (video posted on the website X, formerly
known as Twitter, purports to show uniformed individuals in Eagle Pass, Texas cutting concertina
wire near a river, and then pulling that wire to form an accessible opening for migrants in that
river).)2
Photos attached to Cooney’s declaration appear to confirm his observations. (ECF No.
5-1, ¶ 11; id. at 8-9, 11.) Separately, Roberto Ortiz Diaz, who is a Texas Military Department
employee, establishes that the Defendants damaged wires on October 27, 2023. (ECF No. 8-1, ¶¶
1, 6, 10-13.) The Defendants may continue to damage wires, which is especially likely because
they damaged more property a mere day after this Motion was filed. (ECF No. 5-1, ¶ 15; ECF No.
8-1; ECF No. 5; see also ECF No. 3-2 at 26.)
Third and finally, the Plaintiff established that the Defendants lacked permission to
interfere with the wires. According to Cooney, “[n]one of the federal personnel at the scene asked
2 Like the sworn declarations in the Plaintiff’s motion for a preliminary injunction, the Plaintiff
incorporated by reference this video in its Motion (ECF No. 5 at 5 (citing ECF No. 3-1 at 21-28)),
which the Court viewed on the Internet.
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for permission from me or, to my knowledge, from other [Operation Lone Star] personnel to move
the concertina wire barrier.” (ECF No. 5-1, ¶ 9.) Cooney also added that as far as he knew, the
Texas Military Department did not give permission to BP to move the wire. (Id.; see also ECF
No. 8-1, ¶ 14.) Further, no “great public calamity” is apparent on this record to justify property
destruction. Steele, 603 S.W.2d at 791. Cooney further avers that, even though BP had airboats
in the water, no migrant was “in distress while they were in the river”; no migrant “appeared to
need medical attention”; and no one at the scene called a medical team to help the migrants. (Id.
¶¶ 10-11.) Diaz also reported a similar incident. (ECF No. 8-1, ¶¶ 8, 14.) Therefore, the Plaintiff
established that it is likely to succeed on its trespass to chattels claim. The Court need not analyze
the other claims.
B. Irreparable Harm
Harm is irreparable only “if it cannot be undone through monetary remedies.” Interox Am.
v. PPG Indus., Inc., 736 F.2d 194, 202 (5th Cir. 1984). However, the Plaintiff may still establish
irreparable harm when its costs are unrecoverable due to the government’s sovereign immunity.
See Wages & White Lion Invs., L.L.C. v. U.S. Food & Drug Admin., 16 F.4th 1130, 1142 (5th Cir.
2021); see also Portée v. Morath, No. 1:23-CV-551-RP, 2023 WL 4688528, at *5 (W.D. Tex. July
21, 2023) (publication pending) (“[C]laims for money damages against state entities and officials
are generally barred by sovereign immunity, which makes Portée’s harm irreparable for purposes
of seeking preliminary injunctive relief.”).
The Plaintiff preliminarily establishes that it would face irreparable harm without a
temporary restraining order. The Plaintiff alleges that by “damaging, destroying, and exercising
dominion over state property,” the Defendants are causing the Plaintiff to incur “extensive costs.”
(ECF No. 5 at 6.) The Plaintiff also claims that the Defendants’ actions show that they intend to
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prevent the Plaintiff from “maintaining operational control of its own property.” (Id.)
Furthermore, the Plaintiff avers that destroying the concertina wire “irreparably harms Texas
because it facilitates increased illegal entry into the State.” (Id. at 7.) Consequently, the Plaintiff
argues that it will continue to incur considerable additional expenses to expand social services,
medical care, education, and other government programs, to accommodate the influx of illegal
aliens. (Id. at 6-7.) To support this assertion, the Plaintiff provides sworn declarations from
various Texas state officials, who describe the significant annual cost of providing emergency
medical services, social services, and public education to illegal aliens. (See generally ECF No.
3-2.)
The Court is mindful, however, that the Defendants enacted an extensive scheme, which
includes immigration enforcement and the interdiction of migrants. Arizona v. United States, 567
U.S. 387, 394, 401-02 (2012). The question then becomes how much “harm” should a state bear
if the Defendants are unable to meet their obligations of securing the border and controlling the
flow of migrants into the country. The only “harm” before this Court at the moment is the cost of
the destruction of the Plaintiff’s property, which is the wire barrier.
The injuries alleged by the Plaintiff are irreparable because they undermine the Plaintiff’s
control over its property and impose costs, which sovereign immunity precludes the Plaintiff from
ever recovering. Wages & White Lion, 16 F.4th at 1140-41. A temporary restraining order can
prevent such injuries by maintaining the status quo while the parties prepare thorough arguments
on the merits of this case. Moreover, “the risk of irreparable harm to the Plaintiff is sufficient to
proceed with the temporary restraining order without first giving notice to the Defendants.”
Pomeroy, Inc., 2010 WL 11652127, at *4. Therefore, the Plaintiff established irreparable harm.
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C. Public Interest
The Plaintiff argues that the balance of interests favors the Plaintiff for two reasons.
First, the Plaintiff asserts that its use of concertina wire deters illegal entries and activities,
including human trafficking, drug smuggling, and terrorist infiltration. (ECF No. 5 at 7-8.)
Second, the Plaintiff argues that the Defendants’ actions are unlawful, and that even if a lawful
basis exists, the Defendants must seek redress “through legal proceedings, not self-help
actions.” (Id.)
Deterring unlawful activity, including illegal entry, is in the public interest. United States
v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U.S. 873, 878 (1975) (“[T]he public interest demands effective measures
to prevent the illegal entry of aliens at the Mexican border.”). Further, “[t]here is generally no
public interest in the perpetuation of unlawful agency action.’” Louisiana v. Biden, 55 F.4th 1017,
1035 (5th Cir. 2022) (quoting Texas v. Biden, 10 F.4th 538, 560 (5th Cir. 2021)). To the extent an
agency’s acts facilitate rather than prevent unlawful conduct, as the Plaintiff argues, such acts
implicate the “substantial public interest in having governmental agencies abide by the federal
laws that govern their existence and operations.” Texas v. United States, 40 F.4th 205, 229 (5th
Cir. 2022) (quoting League of Women Voters of U.S. v. Newby, 838 F.3d 1, 12 (D.C. Cir. 2016))
(quotations omitted). The Plaintiff established that the balance of interests favors granting an
injunction, but just barely.
The Court recognizes a countervailing public interest, however, in allowing BP agents to
address medical emergencies. See Croy v. United States, No. DR-22-CV-00005-AM-VRG, 2023
WL 6393888, at *14 (W.D. Tex. Oct. 2, 2023) (discussing U.S. Customs and Border Protection
policy requiring “Border Patrol Agents who encounter individuals who are injured . . . to take
immediate action to obtain medical attention for the injured party”); Carcamo-Lopez v. Does 1
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through 20, 865 F. Supp. 2d 736, 754 (W.D. Tex. 2011). This Order therefore includes a narrow
exception to permit the Defendants to move or cut the concertina wire to aid individuals in medical
distress, as noted above.
The Court is also very aware that the Plaintiff claims to have permission to place the wire
barrier on the property or properties where the concertina wire was located before the actions of
the Defendants and its agents. The Court is also very aware that the Defendants are charged with
protecting the border and may take measures necessary to do so. The matter needed to be further
litigated at a hearing is at the intersection of: the private property rights of the persons consenting
to the placement of the concertina wire on their land, the Plaintiff’s right to assist private property
owners and avoid costs to the Plaintiff; and the Defendants’ responsibilities over national security
and border security, and its powers to effectuate its duties, up to and including the destruction of
private or state property.
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V. CONCLUSION
Accordingly, it is ORDERED that the Plaintiff’s Emergency Motion for a Temporary
Restraining Order or Stay of Agency Action (ECF No. 5) is GRANTED on October 30, 2023 at
9:30 a.m.
The temporary restraining order shall last until it expires on November 13, 2023 at 9:30
a.m., unless a further order of this Court extends the time. For purposes of this Order, the word
“property” refers to concertina wire that the Plaintiff installed at the United States- Mexico border
in Eagle Pass, Texas prior to this order.
Until November 13, 2023 at 9:30 a.m., the Defendants shall be enjoined from: (1) removing
the property from its present location for any reason other than to provide or obtain emergency
medical aid, as noted above; (2) concealing the property in any way; (3) offering the property for
sale, rent, or use to any person, business, or entity; (4) selling or otherwise transferring the property
in whole or in part; (5) encumbering the property in any way; (6) scrapping the property; (7)
disposing of the property in any way; (8) disassembling, degrading, tampering with, or
transforming the property in any way for any reason other than to provide or obtain emergency
medical as noted in this order; and (9) failing to take all steps necessary to protect the property
against damage or loss of any kind.
A preliminary injunction hearing shall be scheduled for November 7, 2023, at 2 p.m.
SIGNED and ENTERED on this 30th day of October 2023.
______________________________________
ALIA MOSES
Chief United States District Judge
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Yes, it's beyond possible that one man perjured himself. that never happens, right? It's beyond possible that still it's one mans word with no actual evidence to corroborate it. But please, do continue.

There's no need to continue.

Once the judge gets wind that Pit from Dawgtalkers hasn't seen the DNA, I'm sure he'll reverse his previous ruling and throw the new case right out the window.


Pit from Dawgtalkers. A voice you can trust.

FATE a voice from Dawgtalkers you can't trust. And you keep proving it.

"Hey Joe, we have breaking news that esteemed Federal Judge Alia Moses, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Brian Cooney, Texas Military, have colluded to deep-fake Border Patrol involvement in destruction of Texas property to let migrants cross the border."

"Wow, Robert! What's your source?"

"Pit from Dawgtalkers just posted it in the Political Section"

Aw, you're so cute. Of course when ya got nothing shoot the messenger. That's what it's all boiled down to.... desperation on your part.

"We're now outside with Pit from Dawgtalkers... Pit, how did you figure out all these people were lying in an effort to foil your imperial-know-it-all status on Dawgtalkers??"

"Well, I knew sumthin' was fishy when nobody said "Trump". From there it's easy to connect the dots, these right-winger GOPer nuts have been trying to silence me for years!"

Pit responds, "All what people? A single agent on Abbott's payroll and some off chute web site with no visual evidence of any such claim that it was the border border patrol using a forklift? In case you missed it, that's not many people You would think that if they had cameras and a video claiming it was border patrol, there would be evidence it was border patrol instead of just some video of a forklift. But a lot of people lack common sense these days."

You keep displaying your desperation.

Can I get some Ranch on that?

I had no idea you put ranch on meat and potatoes. But to each their own.

https://truthpress.com/disclaimer/

They spread disinformation and need a disclaimer to excuse it… just saying. FauxNews-lite.

Well pit, I cannot add to the conversation about bulldozers because, in the immortal words of sgt. Schultz, “I know nothing, nothing”. But I do know this. In October we had almost a quarter million encounters at the border. That is over 240,000 encounters! In one month! Now since I know pit you are fond of pointing out that the numbers vary, that is a drop of 11% from the previous month. If my math is decent, that should mean about 270000 encounters in September. Wow!!! We are doing great bringing those encounters down aren’t we! lol. No we are not! In fact in your word, pit, it is a “disaster.

So, let’s cut the chase shall we. Let’s take it to the bottom line. The border is a disaster and it is under Biden’s watch. For three years.

Hopefully we elect and appoint some people in the near future who take border control seriously.

Let me know when someone fixes it. Anyone. You didn't elect anyone that fixed it in 2016 and nobody is running that will fix it this time. And BTW- Mexico never did pay for the wall. But please do go on.

Already been covered, your mind just did not want to accept it.

Someone who will fix it?? Shoot I would be happy if we had someone up there north of Richmond who gave a damn that it is broken, and a disaster. I laid out way back in this thread how we can control the border situation but it takes a will and desire to do it by politicians, not just us folks out here. We need people to make the hard calls and move forward on them.

Mostly we need people who believe that living in America is a privilege and that we , america should control who comes in.

So nobody on either side has made "the hard calls" then? I have no problem with controlling who comes in. I'm just tired of all the finger pointing when nobody to date has actually done what it takes to stop it. And that includes both parties. All I've heard is a bunch of hot air and playing the blame game.

Ditto, AND let me add for those GOPers who think Trump is the answer---he and his crew, those guys and gals who would fix things- several ran a scam taking money from "We Build the Wall"- Steve Bannon involved- always- follow the money. Wonder if Trump as an ex-President can pardon himself while out of office- dang, the Republicans sure can pick them- PS- soon George Santos will be available to lead the border GOP show.

Well I think it is about time we had a border update don’t you pit. A couple of months ago you declared the border a “disaster “ and it was under biden’s watch. At that time we were having 200,000 illegals coming to our border. 200,000 !! Wow that is a lot of illegals. You were right, it was a “disaster”. Today, it is a disaster on high dose steroids!! Chaos !! A nightmare for our poor border “security” men and women. In October, November and December we averaged about 275,000 encounters and in December we actually broke the 300,000 illegal encounters. Man that makes Biden’s 200,000 per month look efficient. I’m not sure what that makes trump’s performance though because he averaged about 40,000 per month. No I did not forget a zero, it was 40,000. Now I am not gonna go back and check all old data, but I think it is safe to say that Joe Biden has done the worst job in history of protecting America’s border. The worst!

There are a couple of notions you lefties insist on throwing out that are bogus. First that nobody in Washington wants to do anything about the border. Not true. Trump’s mindset from the beginning was to bring illegal immigration under control. Did he accomplish everything he wanted?? Not even close. He had to fight the other party and some establishment elites in his own party to get what he got. His border had less that 500,000 encounters per year. Biden’s border is having that in two months. Am I satisfied with his numbers?? Heck no. We can do better than that. But we must do better than the Biden administration has done. Also right now one party is trying to pass a bill that will greatly help the situation at the border. The other party is fighting it every step of the way.

The other thing is this fallacy that to fix this problem you need congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform. Bologna!! In fact until the border is fixed no comprehensive reforms should be discussed. Some simple things like reinstating the remain in Mexico policy. I think we negotiated with Mexico that they would control their southern border and cut off the flow of migrants from Central America and other countries as well. I just saw a list of countries from which people cross our southern border illegally. I don’t remember the number but it was large, 60 or 70. Mexico agreed to control their southern border. I laid out a complete plan that can also be done.

Meanwhile with all these huge numbers, we overlook the fact that last year there were over 1 million “gotaways”. We don’t know who they are or if they have bad intentions. When border patrol faces millions coming at them more are going to slip thru the cracks and put Americans at risk.

So how many of these encounters are being dumped into America. In the immortal words of CarlWilson and The Beach Boys, “God Only Knows”. But they are costing the American hard working taxpayer billions and shame on the Biden administration for allowing it to come to this.

One final thought. When a state puts out they (the taxpayer) will provide free health care to illegals they will be drawn to it like a moth to flame. And again hard working Americans foot the bill.

It was what it was then and it is what it is now. It's odd how republicans have blocked 13.6 billion dollars in border funding to help the situation by hiring nearly 6,000 immigration and border security-related employees at DHS but you never mentioned that. Of course I expect no less from you.

They have? I haven't seen that border bill. Please explain.

I'm curious as to, IF the republicans blocked 13 billion to hire 6000 employees (I mean, that'd be 2.2 million per employee I think) now - why, with the same staffing as under the previous president, why the huge increase in illegals?

The reason they blocked it is because Dems stuffed a bunch of pork in it. Typical libtards.

Bill? You do understand that a president can't write a bill, correct? It was an emergency funding request by The White House to hire more help combat the surge at the border......

Customs and Border Protection encountered more than 300,000 migrants illegally crossing the southwest border in December, according to multiple reports, setting an all-time monthly record. That was up from around 240,000 encounters in the first two months of the fiscal year. Biden has requested $13.6 billion in emergency funds to hire nearly 6,000 immigration and border security-related employees at DHS and the Justice Department as part of a larger package that would also provide tens of billions of dollars in foreign assistance.

https://www.govexec.com/management/...-staffing-surge-white-house-says/393089/

It's a very long article that shows how rather than help address what Republicans themselves state is an emergency, not only have they refused to do so, they have packaged all of their border demands with funding both Israel and Ukraine funding into their border demands.

If you wish to see a bill actually introduced just like I do, maybe you should hold congress responsible to write one rather than make the issue a political football.

What pork? What are you speaking of?

Let me explain. When you have surge of people arriving, it takes a surge of people to help stop it.

Here's how it sounds when they say the quiet part out loud.....

GOP Rep Says the Quiet Part Out Loud About Border Crisis

“Let me tell you, I'm not willing to do too damn much right now to help a Democrat,” Rep. Troy Nehls said of his support for a new border deal.

Although Congressional Republicans are currently pushing for immigration policy changes as a precursor to aid for Ukraine, one GOP representative admitted Wednesday that he’s not keen on supporting any legislation that would benefit President Joe Biden politically.

“Let me tell you, I'm not willing to do too damn much right now to help a Democrat and to help Joe Biden’s approval rating,” Rep. Troy Nehls (R-TX) told CNN. “I will not help the Democrats try to improve this man’s dismal approval ratings. I'm not going to do it. Why would I?”

Nehls said he is in favor of an immigration bill that passed the House last year in a party-line vote, and which has yet to be taken up by the Senate.

"Chuck Schumer has had HR 2 on his desk since July. And he did nothing with it,” Nehls said of the bill, which the Biden administration opposes, claiming it “would cut off nearly all access to humanitarian protections” and “does nothing to address the root causes of migration.”

HR 2 would restart construction of the border wall, enact harsher punishments for those who overstay their visas, and lessen the number of those granted asylum.

Nehls’ comment was reminiscent of his stated motivations for pursuing an impeachment of Biden, as told to USA Today last month: giving Donald Trump “a little bit of ammo to fire back” if he is the GOP’s nominee for president.

House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer, likewise, boasted last spring that Trump’s polling numbers were benefiting from his investigation into Hunter Biden’s foreign business dealings.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-r...FV_wyaKGX9vy2AA8rH-_aACbPK9Xi6K9kyHN61Lg

Their motivation isn't to fix the border. Their motivation is "my way or the highway" and owning the dems. From their own mouths.

No pit you don’t apply more bandaids, you stop the bleeding. Ever heard of that truthism, “when you find yourself in a hole over your head, the first thing you do is stop digging”. Well, we need to stop digging. When a looney lefty governor like newsome trumpets that he will provide free health care for illegals that gets around to people and here they come. When we educate kids of illegals here they come. When they take jobs for less money than an American would want to do the job , here they com. First step is deal with the problem we face at the border, then eliminate the incentives.

E verify would be a great start. Large fines to employers who use illegals would be great. Lots of other things to do. But it will take both parties working together and as long as you lefties are ok with the situation it will be tough to get anything done.

Ahhh... so you meant the 110 BILLION package to fund wars with the emergency border funding used as troll bait to show the GOP doesn't want to help fix Biden's border disaster.

Gotcha.

Bills originate in the House of Representatives
Reublicans have been in control of thre House for 2 years now
How many bills have they written to address the border issue?
Do nothing republicans

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2/text

This bill has been sitting in the senate going nowhere.
Do nothing libtards.
Flaccid Biden has had 4 years to do something about the border and he failed.

It's all the pork in it that's holding it back

What does Newsome have to do with Biden? It's odd how first the finger was pointed about all the pork in Biden's request. Then it was aid to Ukraine an Israel as the reason they denied his request. The funny thing is, they're willing to give him ALL of that if only they can set all of the rules. It's nothing more than a power play by the Republican House.

And Fate, thanks for showing the increase in immigrants was already under way while trump was still president. Speaking of troll bait.

"Already under way". 🤣

Hasn't it been "already under way" since 1776??

I know the fact that the huge increase in these border crossings began under trump does not fit your agenda but once again, thanks for pointing that out. And yes, immigrants have been coming here all along. They've been the targets of blaming our nations ills on for generations now.

Joe Biden's border... Unmitigated. Disaster. Abject failure of epic proportions. You could pick a twelve-year-old off the street, explain the problem, and see better results towards an actual solution. Period.

Worst disaster "presided over" (I use that term loosely) in our lifetimes.

No matter how you dice, slice, move the goalposts, the fact remains. But keep banging the drum, I'm sure
I speak for all in saying we enjoy the entertainment. 🤣

You set the goal posts. I'm just pointing out what your goal posts have shown. I think thou doth protest too much. Maybe if Republicans would have approved the money for more border patrol agents, more immigration judges and more technology on the border much of this could have been averted. But as I posted, at least one Republican representative made it clear by saying out loud what I'm sure most of them feel without saying. That they didn't want to help Biden fix the border because it would make him look good. As he said, "Why would I want to help him?"

But sure, just gloss over all of that.

BTW- It's hilarious when people such as yourself claim to "speak for all". The 2020 elections proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that you don't.

Flippin prison razor wire, four rolls deep, and atop miles of shipping containers hasn’t stopped s.

Then why is Sleepy Joe fighting and fighting to have it removed?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Build that wall!







Maybe because they just crawl right under it?

Oh, you have memes!

The problem is, once they illegally enter they are allowed to stay. Throw their asses back in mexico.

I guess if you wish to break U.S. asylum laws. But then I understand how you would think laws don't actually mean anything. Once an immigrant applies for asylum they are entitled to a hearing. If republicans would fund enough money to hire more immigration judges and more border patrol agents it would help speed up the process.

Hold on. You mean enforce the laws in the first place instead of acting like they don't work?

Seems extreme.

Meanie.

So ignore our asylum laws?

Nope. Just don't hide behind them. Individual must supply evidence at the border before granted entry.

Why? Because Joe has created the worst immigration disaster in the history of our country planet. Tough times call for tough measures. There's no other way out of this mess. Some people will have to wait in line.

I bet most of them leave. I mean, afterall, hordes of those "fearing for their lives" are now begging to go back to Mexico after seeing how bad NYC sucks. They can't be that terribly scared, can they?

Can you apply for asylum if you enter the US illegally?

Yes, seeking asylum is legal. Asylum seekers must be in the U.S. or at a port of entry (an airport or an official land crossing) to request the opportunity to apply for asylum. "There's no way to ask for a visa or any type of authorization in advance for the purpose of seeking asylum,” says Byrne.

https://www.rescue.org/article/it-legal-cross-us-border-seek-asylum

A president can't re-write immigration laws no matter how much you carry on that those laws which were written in 1980 are Biden's fault.

So, just let them come here illegally?

Once they cross the border and enter the country they can apply for asylum. I didn't write those laws. I don't agree with those laws. But those are our asylum laws. They were written back in 1980. The only thing trump had going for him that helped him temporarily sidestep that was Covid. It was determined that Covid created a national health emergency which permitted those laws temporarily be circumvented due to the national health emergency. Once Covid was no longer a national health emergency those protections ended. People that wish to blame Biden for everything simply don't wish to explain any of that. They don't want to tell you that it was nothing more than a special set of rules due to a national health emergency which allowed trump to keep those numbers down. That state of emergency ended in May of 2003. Immigration numbers have been soaring ever since then.

2003 eh?

Goalpost successfully reerected. Today's chicanery is like a cross between strawman and Whack-A-Mole. This is fun!

Heed the fear mongering of the great white overloard. Didn’t Elon come up in South Africa during apartheid? Imagine that, him warning others about brown people invading the country HE IMMIGRATED TO.

That's not true. Saying it was just covid is ignorant at best. Biden rolled back A LOT of Trump's immigration restrictions. He opened the border wide for illegals.


https://cmsny.org/biden-immigration-executive-actions/

Real life or South Park episode??

At least we aren’t seeing children being separated from parents and put in pens.

Yes, after you posting the chart you posted showing the surge on the border started well before trump left office and watching you play the denial game about that is hilarious. I don't even think you realized when you posted it that all you did was prove the surge was already underway while trump was president. But thanks for that.

Look at the chart FATE posted. The immigration surge began well before trump left office. It wasn't "just Covid restrictions". But if you can't look at that chart and see that the surge increased rapidly after those restrictions ended, then you may need to see an optometrist.

I see facts are not your friend. For some reason I'm not surprised by that. and they are your facts.

#facts:

The Trump administration imposed consequences for illegal immigration and ended “catch and release.” It worked.

The Biden administration stopped imposing any consequences for illegal immigration. In fact, it has sought to make illegal immigration easier.

A jaw-dropping 3.8 million people have entered the United States through its borders since President Joe Biden took office in 2021.

Biden rewards every migrant with food, transportation and billions in accomodations at 4 star hotels.

Biden reversed every Trump border policy on day one.

The border crisis shows the biggest lack of leadership in the history of U.S. Presidents.

Blaming the border crisis on Trump is like blaming global warming on the Big Bang.


Pit: "Well it started under Trump"


#notverysmartornotmanenoughtoadmitthetruth

The fact you refuse to admit that by your own post it proves that it all started under trump. You just don't like that fact. Maybe next time be more careful that you don't post something you refuse to man up to later. Billions in four star accommodations?

You do realize that all of these republican governors are claiming their states are the ones footing the bill for all of these illegals. Then you sit here and claim Biden is doing it. All of you need to get in a room and figure out which story you're going with here.

It didn't all start under Trump. It started decades ago. Trump said there would be a crisis. Crybaby ilk said "orange man bad" and did everything possible to thwart any actions he took. Biden became president and opened the borders (with free prizes) causing the biggest migration catastrophe in the history of America.

You would have to be brain-dead to blame this on Trump.

You'd have to be a brain-dead troll to think anyone would co-sign just because Trump's name is included on a graph... that shows a line taking off like a rocket when Sleepy Joe takes over.

All these things are clearly understood by 98% of children reaching the age of eight.

You may wish to look again. I'm not sure what you can't see here. There was a huge increase under trump that continued under Biden. Then things leveled off and even went down in some months. Then look when the line began to go straight. In May. Now you can toss all the bluster and GOP party line that you want, but the very chart that you posted tells the story. Started increasing greatly under trump. Continued to rise under Biden. Began some resemblance of stability wavering up and down then skyrocketing the very month the Covid restrictions ended. Despite all of your bluster it's right their on your chart.

Obviously you must be part of that 2%.

Are you blind? Do you need glasses? There was an immediate massive increase as soon as Biden took office and rolled back all of Trumps restrictions. By all means keep lying and trolling. Because you have nothing.

None are so blind as those who refuse to see. The rise started well before Biden became president. It's right there in front of your eyes.

The rise in antisemitism started well before Hitler.

Holocaust no big deal then?

They are both big deals. Just kike the current situation on the border is a big deal. There needs to be a lot more border agents and a lot more immigration judges to deal with the backlog of immigration hearings as a starter and I think there needs to be adjustments made to our immigration policies. That's something currently being negotiated between the GOP and the Biden administration.

I don't think there are many people that don't see it as a big issue. That includes the Biden administration. The only question remaining and being treated like a political football is how to best address the problem moving forward.

As you pointed out, antisemitism didn't start with Hitler. It started before Hitler. And that's what I've been saying about the border crisis. It started before Biden. That doesn't change the fact that it's continued getting worse.

Haven't you been paying attention? Nobody said it didn't need to be addressed. In this very thread it was discussed how Biden had asked for money to hire more border patrol agents, more immigration and increased technology at the border. Once again when you have no legitimate reply and no desire to engage in conversation you offer up another mindless meme. Learn to use your words.

You missed the joke. Look at the highlighted part of your post above.

Sorry, my bad.

Texas tired of playing games... Hopefully we're all stocked up on tomatoes.



Texas blocks federal border agents from processing migrants in Eagle Pass public park

By Camilo Montoya-Galvez
Updated on: January 12, 2024 / 11:23 AM EST / CBS News

Washington — Texas state officials this week abruptly blocked federal U.S. Border Patrol agents from entering and patrolling a public area in the border town of Eagle Pass where they typically first encounter migrants who cross the Rio Grande illegally, two U.S. officials told CBS News on Thursday.

After seizing control of Shelby Park in Eagle Pass, Texas National Guard units deployed by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott have prevented Border Patrol agents from entering the area, the federal officials said. Border Patrol has used the park in recent weeks to hold migrants in an outdoor staging area before they are transported for further processing, including last month, when illegal crossings soared to record levels.

Earlier Thursday, Texas state officials prevented Border Patrol boats from patrolling that area, one of the officials added, requesting anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the press.

"They are denying entry to Border Patrol agents to conduct our duties," the official said, noting they are not sure "what authority (Texas officials) have over the federal government."

In a filing early Friday with the Supreme Court, the Justice Department described the extraordinary standoff between Texas and the federal government. Citing testimony from local officials and photos, the Justice Department said Texas was using armed Guardsmen and vehicles to deny Border Patrol agents and federal National Guard soldiers access to roughly 2.5 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border.

"Texas's new actions," the Justice Department said, "demonstrate an escalation of the State's measures to block Border Patrol's ability to patrol or even to surveil the border and be in a position to respond to emergencies."

Under federal law, Border Patrol has a legal responsibility to process migrants on U.S. soil and determine whether to detain them, transfer them to another agency, deport them or release them into the country, pending a court hearing. The international boundary between the U.S. and Mexico is located in the middle of the Rio Grande in Texas.

Eagle Pass Mayor Rolando Salinas said the small city, which administers Shelby Park, did not give Texas state officials permission to take over the area. "This is not something that we wanted," Salinas said Thursday. "This is not something that we asked for as a city."

Michael Perry, a spokesperson for the Texas Military Department, which oversees the state National Guard, said the actions taken by the state were designed to prevent illegal crossings by migrants.

"The Texas National Guard has maintained a presence with security points and temporary barrier in Shelby Park since 2021," Perry said in a statement. "The current posture is to prepare for future illegal immigrant surges and to restrict access to organizations that perpetuate illegal immigrant crossings in the park and greater Eagle Pass area."

In a statement Friday regarding the events in Eagle Pass, White House spokesperson Angelo Fernández Hernández said Texas was seeking to "politicize the border."

"Governor Abbott continues his extreme political stunts that not only seek to demonize and dehumanize people, but that also make it harder and more dangerous for Border Patrol to do their jobs," Fernández Hernández said.

The seizure of Shelby Park is the latest and most brazen effort by Texas state officials to challenge the federal government's authority on immigration. Under Abbott's leadership, Texas has bused tens of thousands of migrants to Democratic-led cities, arrested thousands of migrant adults on trespassing charges and fortified the banks of the Rio Grande with razor wire and floating barriers.

Last month, Abbott signed a law known as SB4 that would allow Texas law enforcement officials to arrest, jail and prosecute migrants on state criminal charges of entering the country illegally. The law, which criminalizes an action already illegal at the federal level, is being challenged in federal court by the Justice Department and civil rights groups. It is set to take effect in March.

In an affidavit attached to the Supreme Court filing, Robert Danley, a top Customs and Border Protection official in Eagle Pass, said Texas' actions were preventing his agents from patrolling the Rio Grande and processing migrants, including those who may be in distress. The park's seizure by the state, Danley said, has also reduced Border Patrol's surveillance capability in that area by 90% and created safety risks for both migrants and agents.

Now, Border Patrol is being forced to process migrants near a busy highway, Danley added.

"Without access to the staging area, mobile intake and loading onto transportation must occur on the shoulder along Loop 480, a busy two-lane highway most frequently used by commercial traffic traveling at a high speed," Danley wrote. "Because of the lack of physical space, there is an increased risk to both migrants and agents of traffic-related injury."

When he asked Texas officials to explain their actions, Danley said he was "advised that Texas does not want Border Patrol to be able to arrest, process, or transport migrants out of the identified area."


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-...cessing-migrants-eagle-pass-shelby-park/

As far as typos go - that was a doozey.

In other words. “Take your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Take these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, BACK!!!!! Stay out of the land of the free and the wealthy. We don’t want you. This is the land of opportunity for those who aren’t replacing US.

Yes committing a crime by blocking federal officials from doing their job is such a noble thing. When people can't tell the difference between actually trying to protect the border from a political stunt reactions like yours is what we see.

"committing a crime" 🤣

Oh, the irony.

What are you talking about? Law dictates that immigration is a federal issue.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) engages in immigration enforcement actions to prevent unlawful entry into the United States and to apprehend and repatriate noncitizens who have violated or failed to comply with U.S. immigration laws. Primary responsibility for the enforcement of immigration law within DHS rests with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). CBP enforces immigration laws at and between the ports of entry, ICE is responsible for interior enforcement and for detention and removal operations, and USCIS adjudicates applications and petitions for immigration and naturalization benefits.

https://www.dhs.gov/ohss/topics/immigration/enforcement-AFR

FIFY

You didn't fix anything. All you are dong is making excuses why Abbott is above the law.

J/C...

I'm glad Texas is growing a set. Let's see if Sleepy Joe has the balls to damage his election prospects even further. I suspect not.

I'm glad to see you openly encourage Republicans obstructing immigration officials from doing their job. But then many of you no longer care about the law when you want what you want.

I'm glad you're here to cry crocodile tears about it while your feckless leader tries to find his way out of the bathroom to blame it all on Trump.

Somebody has to do something about this disaster.

They should. Legally. Immigration laws and guidelines need to be overhauled. That is currently being negotiated between the GOP and the Biden administration. Some wannabe John Wayne acting governor has no place in that process. This is one park along of a total of 1254 miles of border that Texas shares with Mexico. The impact of such an action is negligible in the grand scheme of things. It's a political stunt plain and simple.

Just like that razor wire immigrants keep lifting up and crawling under. It hasn't stopped anyone or anything. The fact people keep falling for these stunts i find simply amazing. And many of them are otherwise intelligent people.

The "political stunt" started on the day Sleepy fell into the seat and opened the border to appease his puppeteers.

Sometimes I have no idea whether you're actually serious or not. The rise in border crossings began to increase significantly before Biden was president. You're the very poster who provided that evidence. The increase spiked even more at the end of the covid restrictions on immigration.

I'm dead serious. You are straight TROLLING. Biden has let 8 million cross the border and you're still trying to blame Trump.

So the chart you provided showing all of this started under trump before Biden was ever elected was trolling? I didn't make that news. You did. I'm just reminding you about it.

It started when one caveman entered another's cave. Duh. Therefore Sleepy Joe bears no responsibility for his own absurd actions that have led to the biggest migration disaster in the history of the planet Earth. That's all Trump's fault.

Have a nice day, I'd rather argue with carpet fibers.

See, that's how your mind works. You think it's a matter of blame. You somehow feel that the fact I'm using your own Chart to show this huge rise in immigration started under trump is me somehow blaming trump. And why do you think that? Because that's all you know how to do is place blame on whoever sits in the White House for everything.

This immigration crisis simply began under trump. It has continued under Biden. It's the fault of the immigration laws. A president can not rewrite immigration law. I'm not blaming it on trump or Biden. The blame game is your pastime. Currently the GOP congress and Biden are working out trying to improve this situation. Hopefully, yet doubtfully both sides can work together to solve this crisis. Like one of them said and I posted last week, "Why would we want to do anything that helps Biden look good?"

Because they're more concerned about continuing to keep the situation the way it is rather than actually try and fix it so they can use it as a political weapon. Just like you're doing.

I'm sure you would rather argue with carpet fibers. They can't call you out on your BS and political one liner gotchya lines.

“The only thing we are not doing is we’re not shooting people who come across the border, because, of course, the Biden administration would charge us with murder,”

John Wayne... I mean Gov. Gregg Abbott of Texas.

We are a reflection of the heroes we choose to support.

"My younger sister used to be three years younger than me uhh now she's twenty-three years younger. And now umm jsss, there's not a single uhh solitary uhgg Biden man that is is ol zoool older, younger than uhh any Biden woman iss uhhh, and uhh and uhh and my wife uhh and by the way kuh community college my wife is uhh teaching today uhh my wife is uhh my wife is a full time teacher uhhh community college"

Jack Nicholson from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest Joe Biden, feckless leader of the free world.

Aren't you the one always whining when people use whatabouts?

I thought you said you were done? Did you get bored talking to carpet fibers?

Have you heard the latest news? When you pour water on a magnet it no longer works.

I guess Abbott has decided if you can't shoot them, drown them......

US says Texas blocked border agents from entering park to try to save 3 migrants who drowned

BROWNSVILLE, Texas (AP) — The U.S. Homeland Security Department said Saturday that Texas denied federal agents access to a stretch of border when they were trying to rescue three migrants who drowned.

The federal government’s account came hours after U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar said the Texas Military Department and Texas National Guard “did not grant access to Border Patrol agents to save the migrants” Friday night. Mexican authorities recovered the bodies of a woman and two children Saturday across the border from Eagle Pass, Texas.

“This is a tragedy, and the State bears responsibility,” said Cuellar, the top Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee’s subcommittee for homeland security, in a statement.

The drownings come amid escalating tensions between Texas and the U.S. government over immigration enforcement. On Friday, the Justice Department told the U.S. Supreme Court that Texas had taken control of an area in Eagle Pass known as Shelby Park and were not letting Border Patrol agents enter.

The Texas Military Department said in a statement Saturday night that one of its units had searched the river after Border Patrol alerted them of the situation but did not find any migrants. The statement did not address the U.S. government’s claims that Texas authorities had “physically barred” Border Patrol agents from entering the park at the time.

Homeland Security echoed Cuellar’s account of the distress call. In a filing to the U.S. Supreme Court on Saturday, Texas acknowledged seizing the city park on the border but said the federal government had mischaracterized its actions and it was trying to resolve any disputes over access.

“In responding to a distress call from the Mexican government, Border Patrol agents were physically barred by Texas officials from entering the park,” Homeland Security said in a statement. “The Texas governor’s policies are cruel, dangerous, and inhumane, and Texas’s blatant disregard for federal authority over immigration poses grave risks.”

The park lies in a major corridor for migrants entering illegally from Mexico and is the center of Abbott’s aggressive attempts to stop them, known as Operation Lone Star. Migrants are periodically swept away to their deaths by the current of the Rio Grande.

Abbott’s office referred questions about the drownings to the Texas Military Department, which said its security personnel saw Mexican authorities responding to an incident across the river about 45 minutes after Border Patrol made the state aware of the situation. The department said it maintains water rescue equipment and works with local paramedics to assist migrants needing medical care.

“At no time did TMD security personnel along the river observe any distressed migrants, nor did TMD turn back any illegal immigrants from the US during this period,” the department said in the statement.

Cuellar, who represents a Texas border district, said Mexican authorities alerted the Border Patrol to the distressed migrants struggling in the river late Friday. He said federal agents attempted to call and relay the information to Texas National Guard members at Shelby Park, without success. Agents then visited the entrance to the park but were turned away, according to the congressman, who said they were told a Guard member would be sent to investigate the situation.

The 50-acre park is owned by the city, but it is used by the state Department of Public Safety and the Texas Military Department to patrol border crossings. Although daily crossings diminished from the thousands to about 500, state authorities put up fences and stationed military vehicles by the entry to deny access to the public and Border Patrol agents this week, according to a court filing.

In its Supreme Court filing, Texas challenged claims that Border Patrol agents were denied access. They said the Border Patrol has scaled down its presence since summer, when the state moved its resources and manpower to the park.

Federal agents were also granted access to the area to secure supplies, the state said.

Cuellar said there was no immediate information available about the victims’ nationalities, relationship and ages. The Mexican government made no public statements.

On Saturday members of the public held a ceremony at the park to mark the deaths of migrants in their region. Julio Vasquez, a pastor, said access was granted after making requests with the city and sharing pictures showing the entry still fenced up and guarded by members of the National Guard and military vehicles.

https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-...9qNG5e3DgHvaqaHny38NV4dfu4UFR4KxB_x4WeeY

You are selling such fantasy land stuff. Keep at it and you may find some brain dead folks who will buy it. But most Americans know too much. They know that under Trump his worst month , his worst year, were better than Biden’s best month and his best year. They know that there were more encounters at the border in 2023 under Biden that there were from 2017-2020 under Trump. That is the disaster that has blown up our border under Biden. Biden could take the steps necessary to start to reverse this mess. He could be Trump 2.0 with border policies. Lots of the more “normal” dems are asking him to do more to deal with it. But he has the looney lefties pretty much calling the shots.

We do not need “comprehensive immigration reform “ to deal with this . We just need a pres who puts Americans first . And illegals you see wading across the rio grande, digging under a border fence or coming thru a hole in the wall are not applying for amnesty. They are illegal immigrants and should be loaded into buses and shipped back where they came from. For those who come to ports of entry we should hire thousands of amnesty referees and station hundreds at each port of entry. Amnesty claims should be acted upon within days not years, and until the ruling happens they remain in Mexico or are detained at the border. No one is released into America.

These simple steps will help reduce encounters at the border. Here is a simple rule to remember. If you reward something you will get more of it. If we stop rewarding illegals when they arrive they will stop arriving.

Amen. You've have to be brain dead to actually believe any of this. Either that or you are simply too lazy to seek the truth.


These people drowned in MEXICO. Why? Because they tried to cross a river at night. End of story. That ^ ish above is like trying to blame a drunk driving death on bad brakes.

Furthermore, we average over one drowning per day... so all the other drownings mush be the fault of border patrol, right? RIGHT? I mean if you're going to spew things that are this brain dead, may as well go full circle.


Instead, we have headlines like this from liberal rags like the Guardian with NO accountability.

Texas officials block US border agents from helping three drowning migrants


This crap doesn't stop until there is accountability for this trash. Good job spreading more lies Pit.

Abbott should be drug through his barbed wire barriers for his inhumanity. And anyone thinking death is fine for illegals trying to cross is truly evil. Now I’m not saying let them stay, but killing them is not cool at all. As a matter of fact, Abbott should be prosecuted for murder just because he’s a POS.

THOSE are some well constructed, fair minded thoughts.

You have to fight fire with fire. Only way to shut down a GOPer fanboy is to be a bigger a-hole than the guy on the right… that takes practice and dedication to master.

Don't flatter yourself. You're fighting fire with snowballs, and your pretty little snowflakes are melting before your feeble hands can ball them up.

It happened in the exact same river Abbott puts flotation devices in with razor wire. But if course then it's okay with you. but when they sit by and let immigrants drown it's okay with you too. they were notified and did nothing. You are what you support.


It's a 50 acre park with about 500 crossings. In the grand scheme of things that's pretty much nothing. You've been suckered by another political stunt. And this stunt killed people.

This "stunt" didn't kill people. You're just a fanatic that obviously can't read and deals in lies and fake outrage.

We'll try one more time, this is the biggest font available, just take your time. Breathe through your nose so you don't fog up your glasses.

So you're bragging about the fact that it took them 45 minutes to respond to people drowning? Leave it to you.

Not bragging about anything. Just presenting facts while you present all lies.

And I know you've gone from bad to ridiculous when it comes to reading, but where does it say it took 45 minutes to respond??

#morelies #liesontopoflies #hasnttoldthetruthinmonths


Still think it's Abbott's fault people drowned in Mexico? Let's double down on more stupid.

This post- Build that Wall- facts- Trump had four years to build a wall- he got about 500 miles (less really) done- most NOT new wall, just patching spots. Mexico didn't pay for any of it- remember that lie. Instead, Trump took money for Dept of Defense- as noted-" Since taking office and largely stopping wall construction, Biden has canceled border wall projects paid for by Pentagon funds. In June, the administration announced it was returning $2.2 billion in Defense Department funds diverted for the wall in order to use the money for 66 previously deferred defense projects, including a missile field expansion in Alaska and a school for U.S. military children in Germany." We don't need missiles in Alaska....and for sure- military families don't need education- for sure military recruiting wouldn't be hurt. Besides, MAGA men and women are all crack shooters with their AR-15s, just disband the military and go back to "instant minutemen".

Trump- the savior- here is the real reality-he's been married three times, he's committed adulteries over and over, he's been sued over 4,000 times, he cheats on his taxes, he created Trump University- which wasn't a university and cheated students out of education funds, he led/ allowed a mob to prevent the peaceful transition of power from one President to another- a FIRST., he's been impeached multiple times, lastly, he wants to get out of NATO, doesn't support climate change, wants Justice, FBI, and Defense Department to answer to him---ie a DICTATOR----what is not to love. He is the biggest con man ever. Anyone but Trump.

Among the best Trump quotes ever----""You can't sit home. If you're sick as a dog, you say, 'Darling, I gotta make it,'" he told a rally in Indianola on January 14. "Even if you vote and then pass away, it's worth it, remember." Trump doesn't care if you die voting for him in Iowa---that is much more important than your life.

ONLY THE DONALD could be so caring----what a JOKE.

How much time is it between 9:00 when they were contacted and 9:45 when they looked? Yes, they prevented the border patrol from going in there to try to help those people.





"We looked 45 minutes later and all we saw was the Mexican officials pulling out corpses."

That looks nothing like the fence trump put up. That's an actual wall like he said he was going to build but never did.

Dude. Please stop. It's only four sentences. You cannot possibly be that dumb.

Try one more time. Just read each sentence, pause, and visualize what is going on. Form a complete picture in your mind before you move on to the next. You can do it!!

The complete picture is that this park has the only boat dock you can launch a boat from to help save victims in the river for miles. Texas refused to give them access to it in order to help save these people. That's the bottom line here but as has been the case lately, the party of personal responsibility no longer takes any responsibility. And yes, the difference in time between notification and looking for victims was 45 minutes unless there is some time continuum that exists in Texas you wish to inform me of.

When does the illegals personal responsibility enter in to the situation?

The problem at the border other than immigrants, is Greg Abbott. If he would just work with Biden instead of showing his ass all the time, we might get something done. Oh, and I don’t want to hear a damn thing from the DO NOTHING RIGHT. Been trying to pass immigration reforms, but MAGA has to MAGA and turn good vibes into dying kittens.

That’s Trump. A kitten killing fool. Turning everything good into dead kittens… Just sick people would follow that sludge filled orange blob of a pathetic human. Sick, sick ,sick… SICKENING.

I would say people need to ask that question when they figure out how a man with 91 felony counts won the Iowa caucus by a landslide and is a shoe in to win the republican nomination for president. It's odd how people love to try and clean out everyone elses closet while theirs is the messiest in town.

In one example people are fighting to have a better life for their family. In the other example a man is fighting to not go to prison for his actions. Both are wrong but the difference in motivation is very telling.

Texas didn't refuse to give them access in order to save victims. Complete and utter lie.

They didn't need access, Texas has it's own boat.

As for the rest, I guess we'll try half sentences and partial thoughts. I can't code a bouncing ball, so again, read slowly.





Take a deep breath before beginning, try to drown out or avoid all interruptions...

==============================================


TMD was contacted by Border Patrol at approximately 9:00 pm on Friday

That's the time they were contacted


in reference to a migrant distress situation.

Border patrol was letting Texas know there was 'a situation'


TMD had a unit in the vicinity of the boat ramp and actively searched the river with lights and night vision goggles.

This is the part where you really have to put on your 'thinking cap'. Or at least get the previous ill-conceived notion out of your head.

NOBODY SAYS 45 minutes had elapsed NOW. That part comes LATER.

(Note: Now is the time we are currently living in. Later is further in the future.)


No migrants were observed,” the agency said.

They didn't find anyone drowning or actively in distress.


“At approximately 9:45 pm, TMD observed a group of Mexican authorities responding to an incident on the Mexico side of the river bank.

This is the later part. This is after searching. If you remember back to the beginning of this very long story, they started searching at 9:00.


TMD reported their observations back to Border Patrol, and they confirmed that the Mexican authorities required no additional assistance.

After searching for 45 minutes, they made the call. 45 minutes later they made the call. 45 minutes had elapsed during the search.


At that time, TMD ceased search operations.

The search is now over.


Comprende?



Would you like to apologize? lol

What you're doing here is taking every word Abbott is saying as gospel and ignoring everything else. And no, you don't deserve an apology because you take everything Abbott says as gospel. Finally the Department of Homeland Security sent a cease-and-desist letter to Texas to try and stem future deaths because they don't have access to help people who are drowning. It's time they kick Abbott's ass out of that park.

No different than you moving the goal post more than once over the past few days. I understand the rules only apply to others and not yourself. It's become the Republican way.

Ah... So Abbott, the Texas Military Department and witnesses are all lying.

It's Pit who is telling the truth.


Man, the story keeps changing.


So, you're sticking to your story that TMD waited 45 minutes before responding??

Even though you say their statement is a lie, you're using their "45 minutes" as a jumping point for your truth??

I've given you several sources and even videos showing you. That's not "Pit". You've just chosen to ignore all of it. Not my circus. Not my monkey.

Keep trying, you can do better than this.

Blame the aliens then somehow link Trump to their mischief. It would make more sense than the trash you're selling now.

You've given sources and videos that TMD waited 45 minutes before responding? Please quote that post, or repost. It must have been deleted, I can't find it anywhere.

What part of the difference between 9:00 and 9:45 are you having trouble grasping?

Uggg, this is like Romper Room for the deaf and blind. We'll try again...



Take a deep breath before beginning, try to drown out or avoid all interruptions...

==============================================


TMD was contacted by Border Patrol at approximately 9:00 pm on Friday

That's the time they were contacted


in reference to a migrant distress situation.

Border patrol was letting Texas know there was 'a situation'


TMD had a unit in the vicinity of the boat ramp and actively searched the river with lights and night vision goggles.

This is the part where you really have to put on your 'thinking cap'. Or at least get the previous ill-conceived notion out of your head.

NOBODY SAYS 45 minutes had elapsed NOW. That part comes LATER.

(Note: Now is the time we are currently living in. Later is further in the future.)


No migrants were observed,” the agency said.

They didn't find anyone drowning or actively in distress.


“At approximately 9:45 pm, TMD observed a group of Mexican authorities responding to an incident on the Mexico side of the river bank.

This is the later part. This is after searching. If you remember back to the beginning of this very long story, they started searching at 9:00.


TMD reported their observations back to Border Patrol, and they confirmed that the Mexican authorities required no additional assistance.

After searching for 45 minutes, they made the call. 45 minutes later they made the call. 45 minutes had elapsed during the search.


At that time, TMD ceased search operations.

The search is now over.


This shows that they searched for 45 minutes, not that they waited 45 minutes before searching.

So it's your contention that while searching for 45 minutes they saw nothing right up until 9:45 when they saw Mexican authorities dragging bodies out of the water? That's the story you believe?

One thing I certainly agree with you about. This is like Romper Room for the deaf and blind.

Here's your sources and videos:




Lies
Lies
Lies.


I've got my checkbook out... I will write you a check for $100,000 as soon as you show me where either video made that statement at the bottom of your post.

C'mon Pit, you wouldn't want all of these fine people to think you're lying again. And you have to admit, 100G is a lot of money, even for a high roller like you.

Once again, you believe the BS story that they searched for 45 minutes and saw nothing until at 9:45 they saw Mecxican authorities were dragging dragging bodies from the water? No wonder you're so easily fooled.

So, the illegals share NO personal responsibility. According to you. And somehow you bring trump into it?

Ask FATE, that's called a segue. Of course they do. What part of "both are wrong" did you miss?

C'mon Pit. I know you can use the 100G.

Show us all you're not lying again. I'm sure there are a lot here that would love to have their faith in you restored, even if only 'til your next post.

So you believe the lie that they searched with infrared cameras for 45 minutes and saw nothing for 45 minutes until suddenly they saw Mexican authorities dragging corpses from the water? Just because I can identify that kind of BS when i see it isn't an indictment of me, it's an indictment of you. I'm not stupid enough to buy that Republican BS. You are. No wonder so many of your ilk believe the election was stolen. Don't try to pin the blame on me because you're so gullible.

So all facts off the table, all lies under the carpet. Everyone should just believe you because I'm gullible?


No response to the $100,000 question?

C'mon bro, we'd all like to believe you don't actively, purposely peddle lies that you pull out of thin air.

Also, you still haven't shown how they waited 45 minutes but keep using 45 minutes as some measuring stick.

Care to back that one up? Or do you still want to act like doing the math between two times on a clock supports a ridiculous statement?

You've dodged the question of believing that Texas searched the water for 45 minutes with infrared cameras and saw nothing until they saw Mexican authorities pulling corpses out of the Rio Grande. I don't blame you.

It's not about believing me. It's whether you believe that BS story put out by Abbott and the state of Texas. And none of it makes any sense. Since you keep perpetuating that lie obviously you do. What you're posting isn't facts, it's some ridiculous story being perpetrated by Abbott and his cronies. You just want to call it facts because you believe that nonsense. Or at least you're pretending that you're foolish enough to believe it.

Care to explain how it's possible to search for 45 minutes with infrared cameras and not see anything until you see Mexican authorities pulling corpses out of the water? Care to back that one up? You call Texas spewing that nonsense as factual? If they had been searching that 45 minutes with infrared cameras they would have seen what was happening.

So, still no response to the $100,000 question?

C'mon bro, we'd all like to believe you don't actively, purposely peddle lies that you pull out of thin air.

Just say "I lied", it will be alot easier.

Do you live there?

Do you know the terrain?

Did you witness the TMD purposefully trying not to find victims?

Not seeing anything? Are you dumb enough to believe the drowning is the only activity in the water in a place where thousands cross the river every day?

Why do you say they searched for 45 minutes after previously saying they waited 45 minutes (over and over and over) before searching? Can't have it both ways...

Care to provide some evidence that they didn't try to find the victims other that some guy's opinion on a football message board?

How long should it take to find drowning victims at night in a river? Give us some context... Use examples of other averted drowning disasters that took place in the darkness.

What does the 45 minutes really have to do with anything anyway, other that that's the time the victims were reported dead?

Do you have some crystal ball that tells when exactly they died in comparison to when the search was started?

If Border Patrol reports a disturbance, and that disturbance is a drowning, could anybody get across the river to Mexico in time to save the victims? Aquaman, maybe?

Did the victims have scuba equipment and TMD just left hung them out to dry until a rip current got them?

What is the protocol for interrupting Mexican authorities responding to an emergency so that you can "do it better"? I mean assuming they had crystal balls and knew exactly where the victims were and could respond faster than the time it takes a human to drown?


This is the dumbest argument in the history of DT, luckily it's cold outside and I'm bored today.

The only lie being perpetuated here is you repeating some lie by Abbott and his cronies based on The Sergeant Schultz Defense. "I saw nothing. I know nothing. I heard nothing."

You must know that if they were actually searching for 45 minutes with infrared cameras for they had to see this entire thing unfold. Any one with an ounce of common sense fully understands the story you are peddling is a lie. It's not the fault of others that you are buying into the Sergeant Schultz Defense.

You are telling the lie and I'm not believing the lie.

I don't believe they were searching at all. But Sergeant Schultz says otherwise.

If they were searching in the wrong place how did they see the Mexican authorities pulling the bodies out of the water? I think thou doth protest too much.

Now it takes 45 minutes for a drowning to "unfold"?

Maybe they need the Hubble out there, so they can see back in time? But then they would also need a flux capacitor for the boat... Damn it.

Newsflash: They didn't see the drowning "unfold" because it had already occured.

Do you think Border Patrol reported a "situation" based on magic? Like they saw the victims on shore and knew they would drown because of body type or some other type of voodoo. By the time this was reported, they were already too late to save. Duh, duh and duh.







You should be applauding them for spending 45 minutes searching for a situation that they couldn't help even if they found it. Instead, you've stretched the boundaries of science to try to make an unfortunate event their fault. My advice? Try to make this Trump's fault and call it a day. You have exhausted all possible means of supporting a hopeless narrative and failed miserably.

Says the one who has failed miserably at trying to peddle a contrived Abbott story as being somehow factual. Is that you Sergeant Schultz?

Abbott's only relayed a story from TMD. Is that the "story" you're talking about? The one that's "all lies", yet unchallenged by a single human on the planet except Pit@DawgTalkers??

Or lies like this:

"We looked 45 minutes later and all we saw was the Mexican officials pulling out corpses."


The non-existent quote from the videos you posted. You still want to back that up for 100G? Or can we all just assume you're a blatant liar that thinks ignoring the lies makes them excusable? (sounds familiar, actually)

Still nothing?


And remember folks, this all started with:

Your hyperbole doesn't cut it. Maybe "let them drown" would be more palatable to you? And you have no idea who "came up with the story". Whether it was the Abbott PR team or the TNG. For me to be lying the story you believe would have to be true. And you have no way of proving that either. And let's look at the falsehoods you have tried to plant.

The terrain? It's a family park which holds carnivals and a boat ramp. It isn't the amazon jungle.

Shelby Park

https://eaglepasstx.com/shelby-park/

There are even pictures for the terrain challenged.

Trying to plant the idea that they may have drown in 60 seconds?

2 children, woman die in Rio Grande as feds, Texas debate border control

Feds, Texas dispute events that led to deaths

DHS said Mexican officials alerted the Border Patrol about migrants in distress. Later, officials in Mexico recovered the three bodies and rescued two migrants from the group who had signs of hypothermia, according to DHS.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...man-die-texas-mexico-border/72219807007/

In case you don't know how hypothermia works it's a process where your core body temperature drops until you can no longer move. THEN you drown. That's a much slower process than "60 seconds".

And yes, Abbott's story is disputed by far more people than myself. Of curse you already know that.

Before you call someone a liar outright, which is against the rules of this board, maybe you should take a look at yourself first.

Ah, so now they had hypothermia, were about to drown, but our lazy asses didn't get there in time to take responsibilities away from the Mexican authorities... in Mexico.

A new wrinkle.

From your article.


But we're just supposed to believe who you say to believe... just because you're Pit@DawgTalkers, right?



I called you a liar because you LIED. So save your #fauxoutrage


Unless, of course, you want to step up to the mic and claim your 100G

Where was this in the videos you quoted it from????? (sixth time I've asked)

"We looked 45 minutes later and all we saw was the Mexican officials pulling out corpses."

You said the timeline was it was reported at 9:00 and Texas searched from 9:00 until 9:45. Or did you forget that?


Here is Texas response....

The Texas Military Department said in a statement Saturday night that one of its units had searched the river after Border Patrol alerted them of the situation but did not find any migrants.

Abbott’s office referred questions about the drownings to the Texas Military Department, which said its security personnel saw Mexican authorities responding to an incident across the river about 45 minutes after Border Patrol made the state aware of the situation. The department said it maintains water rescue equipment and works with local paramedics to assist migrants needing medical care.


https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-...9qNG5e3DgHvaqaHny38NV4dfu4UFR4KxB_x4WeeY

And yet another place you are playing fast and loose with the facts. Of course Mexican authorities "responded" to the incident from the Mexican side. That's where Mexican authorities are located. But remember, Texas claims it didn't see anything until then. Which means they have no idea where these people were when the incident was happening. So what they SAW of the incident was happening on the Mexican side.

What part of that are you missing? They claimed they searched from the time it was reported which was 9:00. You even said they had infrared cameras. But they couldn't find anything. Then you tried to claim they may have been in the wrong area. Yet if they saw Mexico responding to the crisis they must have been in the right area or they wouldn't have seen that. But it's not surprising that the Mexicans are better at this than the state of Texas. Look who is running that $#!+ show.

Man, I'm having such a hard time deciding who to believe... the Department of Justice or Pit@DawgTalkers. 😕


Ahhh... now the actual truth can be told... the migrants had already drowned before the call was even made. I wonder if all the liberal news channels will revise their outrageous stories and tell the truth?? No, no I don't lol.


Biden admin admits migrant drownings occurred before Border Patrol alerted Texas officials
Biden administration had criticized Texas over the deaths on Saturday

Adam Shaw
Published January 16, 2024 5:51pm EST

The Biden administration, in a new filing to the Supreme Court, has admitted that three migrants who drowned last week died long before Border Patrol agents sought access to the Shelby Park area from Texas officials – after the administration had blasted the Lone Star state over the incident.

The Department of Homeland Security and the White House both took aim at Texas after the deaths of three migrants, including two children, in the Shelby Park area last week. Texas had seized the area and the administration said it was refusing to grant Border Patrol access.

"Tragically, a woman and two children drowned last night in the Shelby Park area of Eagle Pass, which was commandeered by the State of Texas earlier this week," DHS said in a statement Saturday evening. "In responding to a distress call from the Mexican government, Border Patrol agents were physically barred by Texas officials from entering the area."


That statement went on to call Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s policies "cruel, dangerous, and inhumane, and Texas’s blatant disregard for federal authority over immigration poses grave risks."

The White House had been similarly scathing over the deaths on Saturday evening.

"On Friday night, a woman and two children drowned near Eagle Pass, and Texas officials blocked U.S. Border Patrol from attempting to provide emergency assistance. While we continue to gather facts about the circumstances of these tragic deaths, one thing is clear: Governor Abbott’s political stunts are cruel, inhumane, and dangerous. U.S. Border Patrol must have access to the border to enforce our laws."


However, in a court filing as part of ongoing litigation, the DOJ said Mexican officials advised Border Patrol at 9 p.m. local time that the migrants had drowned at 8 p.m but that there were an additional two migrants "in distress" on the U.S. side of the border. The filing repeats the claim that Border Patrol was not allowed to enter the area "even in emergency situations." The two additional migrants, who were suffering from hypothermia, were later rescued by Mexican officials.

However, the DOJ suggested that it may have been able to spot the migrants if they had access to the area.

"It is impossible to say what might have happened if Border Patrol had had its former access to the area – including through its surveillance trucks that assisted in monitoring the area," they said. "At the very least, however, Border Patrol would have had the opportunity to take any available steps to fulfill its responsibilities and assist its counterparts in the Mexican government with undertaking the rescue mission. Texas made that impossible."

Texas had initially pushed back on the narrative, saying that claims of requesting access to save distressed migrants "are inaccurate."

"Claims that [Texas Military Dept] prevented Border Patrol from saving the lives of drowning migrants are wholly inaccurate. At the time that Border Patrol requested access, the drownings had occurred, Mexican authorities were recovering the bodies, and Border Patrol expressed these facts to the TMD personnel on site," the Texas Military Department said in a statement.

Abbott blamed lawmakers and some media outlets for being "so eager to point [the] finger at Texas for [the] drowning of migrants, they forgot to get the facts."

"When BP requested access to [the] river, the drownings had already occurred & found in MX," he wrote. "The fact is the deaths are b/c of Biden's Open Border magnet."

The dispute over Shelby Park is heightening existing tensions between the federal government and the state. The federal government sent a cease-and-desist order to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxon this week, threatening legal action if it did not back down.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...re-border-patrol-alerted-texas-officials

New information changes things. I was basing my opinion on the information at hand. Which included using your own source for the timeline. I wasn't presenting "my story". But then you know that. It still doesn't change this....

"It is impossible to say what might have happened if Border Patrol had had its former access to the area – including through its surveillance trucks that assisted in monitoring the area," they said. "At the very least, however, Border Patrol would have had the opportunity to take any available steps to fulfill its responsibilities and assist its counterparts in the Mexican government with undertaking the rescue mission. Texas made that impossible."

Nice little "fake news" meme there BTW. Finally something worthy.

No you weren't. You were basing your opinion on calling Abbott and the TMD liars at every juncture of the story. Being in the denial of the truth and then spewing fake facts and lies is not an excuse.




Still no response to this one?? (eighth time)

"We looked 45 minutes later and all we saw was the Mexican officials pulling out corpses."

The White House stands by it's statement. What an absolute joke of an administration.

So you're trying to say that Texas didn't block their entry to try and prevent them from trying to assist them and that three people didn't drown? Because that's exactly what the X post said.


Yes I am standing by that. Texas officials said they didn't see anything. Your own timeline said they started searching at 9:00 and so did you. They claimed they didn't see a thing until 9:45 when they saw Mexican officials rendering aid on the other side. Look, you provided that information. I'm just going by your source and your timeline.

So, if the Browns win the Super Bowl in 2032...

"The Browns drafted Baker Mayfield and won the Super Bowl!"

See how that works... take two different circumstances and combine them into one thought, then act like it's a fact.

As for the 9:00 / 9:45 stuff. I've explained it too many times in too many ways. You're just trolling to try and save face. Nothing new there.


Cool. You quoted that from the videos you posted, give me the timestamp from the video and I'll write you a check. Otherwise, you lied and aren't man enough to just admit it. You made up your own quote and passed it as fact from a video where it never existed. #thatscalledlying

I provided you with all the information YOU GAVE ME. Where did I say that the information came from those videos? You gave me the timeline and the videos show that Texas is preventing the border patrol form entering the park to do their job.

Or was it you who were lying about that timeline?

In the post with the videos??

So were you lying about the timeline? Or is that 45 minute timeline YOU presented correct?

Are you chatGPT?

Where did the quote come from, Pit??

From your own source. How many times do I have to tell you that before it sinks in? I just quoted you saying it today. You quoted it from YOUR source. Does somebody actually need drill to bore a hole in your brain for it to sink in? One more time for the comprehension challenged....

I can't believe you ignored your lie eight times... and took over 24 hours ... to make it my quote. lmao

Your trolling game gets weaker, and weaker, and weaker.


24 hours... to say. "Umm that was actually your quote" when I didn't say it, and neither did anyone else... certainly no one in the videos you posted it directly under.

WeakAF

I've been saying it for quite some time now. It just took this long for it to sink into your brain. weak af

21 minutes is "quite some time".

I need to go get my boots!!

I posted this at just at 10:04 A.M. yesterday morning shortly after you posted that timeline.


You responded to that with this...


That would have cleared it up for any normal thinking person that not only me, but both of us attributed that timeline information to you.

And again at 2:49 P.M. yesterday afternoon....


Once again I attributed that timeline information to you.

I'm glad you invested in purchasing a BS meter. You need it.

So you posted your b.s. at 11:27am and I asked where you got the quote at 2:36pm...

But somehow you answered the question... at 10:04am??





"We're gonna need a bigger boat!!"


https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/2055271/re-build-that-wall#Post2055271

#20552710 1/16/24 11:27 AM

I have proven that I gave you credit for the timeline as early as yesterday morning. Yet you can't seem to understand that you asked redundant questions after the fact. You're now officially beyond help.

"redundant questions after the fact"

We'll just say, this has been eye-opening experience, in more ways than one!


And don't forget: Abbott drowns Mexicans, ask any internet troll.

I see your grasp of sarcasm and hyperbole is sorely lacking. But you have taught me that you have a great ability to mimic trump. So I suppose that is 1 point for you.

Yes, the fact is I gave you full credit for posting that timeline yesterday morning. Yet you just kept on with the same old tired rhetoric on and on afterwords. Eye opening is an understatement.

You COULD just end this by saying you were wrong. You took the news you wanted to hear, and ran with it.

I did say that the information was wrong. That the new information changes things. That's not god enough for you? I didn't think it would be. On what followed after that I am not wrong. I did give him credit for providing that timeline shortly after he posted it. He claimed it took me 24 hours. Try to keep up.

Might want to check time stamps on your posts.

You may wish to check it.

01/15/24 10:04 AM

Senate Republicans warn House they won't get a better immigration deal under Trump
Sahil Kapur and Syedah Asghar and Rebecca Kaplan and Julie Tsirkin and Lori Rampani and Kate Santaliz
Wed, January 17, 2024 at 5:41 PM EST·4 min read
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WASHINGTON — Leading Senate Republicans are warning their House colleagues not to play political games with the current immigration negotiations because they won’t get a better deal down the road under a potential second Donald Trump presidency.

“To those who think that if President Trump wins, which I hope he does, that we can get a better deal — you won’t,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters Wednesday. “You got to get 60 votes in the United States Senate.”

“To my Republican friends: To get this kind of border security without granting a pathway to citizenship is really unheard of. So if you think you’re going to get a better deal next time, in ’25, if President Trump’s president, Democrats will be expecting a pathway to citizenship for that,” he said. “So to my Republican colleagues, this is a historic moment to reform the border.”

Senate Minority Whip John Thune, R-S.D., echoed Graham's view.

“The Democrats will not give us anything close to this if we have to get 60 votes in the United States Senate in a Republican majority,” Thune said. “We have a unique opportunity here. And the timing is right to do this.”

The pleas from the Republicans come as senators are expressing growing optimism that they’re on the brink of securing a bipartisan deal on tougher asylum and border laws that they have been negotiating for months, with uncertainty looming as to whether the GOP-controlled House would accept it.

The emerging Senate package is expected to raise the bar for asylum-seekers to come to the U.S., grant additional powers to remove migrants to control the border and restrict the use of parole to admit certain migrants as they await processing for their cases.

While it has not been finalized, the latter is the main sticking point that remains, Graham indicated Wednesday.

“If we don’t fix parole, there’ll be no deal,” he said.

Even as a potential Senate compromise has yet to be inked, hard-right House Republicans have threatened to kill the deal that's designed to unlock support for new U.S. aid to Ukraine.

“There’s no compromising our border security,” Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., told NBC News in response to GOP senators. “There’s going to be a much better situation under Trump’s administration. We’ll bring back ‘Remain in Mexico.’ And we’re going to deport illegal aliens.”

Greene said she would personally file a “motion to vacate” and force a vote to overthrow House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., if he cuts a deal to fund Ukraine, no matter what immigration provisions it contains. “We can’t fund Ukraine,” she said, calling it “an absolute no-go — that would be a reason to vacate.”

Some House conservatives don’t want to give President Joe Biden a victory on an issue like immigration, where he’s politically vulnerable heading into a likely rematch with Trump this fall.

“The worst thing we could do is pass something that’s border security in name only, similar to what’s been reported that the Mayorkas-Lankford deal is,” said House Freedom Caucus Chair Bob Good, R-Va., referring to the ongoing Senate negotiations with Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, who is deeply unpopular on the right, and the GOP's lead negotiator, Sen. Jim Lankford of Oklahoma. “That would be terrible because it wouldn’t win for the American people, it wouldn’t secure the border, and it would give the Democrats political cover for the border crisis that they have intentionally created.”

Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., said it would be “immoral” to reject a deal for partisan reasons. “You don’t knowingly make this country less safe for political points.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., echoed the warnings that even if Republicans win full control of government, they wouldn't get a single Democratic vote for such a deal.

“One of the things that I keep reminding my members is if we had a 100% Republican government — president, House, Senate — we probably would not be able to get a single Democratic vote to pass what Sen. Lankford and the administration are trying to get together,” he told reporters. “So this is a unique opportunity to accomplish something in divided government.”

Johnson — who has previously said the House would accept nothing short of its own Republican-passed H.R. immigration package — said Wednesday that all of that bill's “elements are important” and didn’t close the door on a Senate package before he can review it.

“We don’t know exactly what the Senate has come up with because we’ve not seen the text,” Johnson said at a news conference. “We’re anxious to see the text of what they’ve done.”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-republicans-warn-house-wont-224132970.html

They don't want to agree to ANY border deal. It's all smoke and mirrors. One actually said it out loud.......

House Republican Admits He’ll Kill Border Deal If It Helps Biden

Secure the border … unless it helps Biden’s poll numbers.

Texas Representative Troy Nehls showed his true colors on Wednesday, refusing to back any sort of border deal because he claimed it could help President Joe Biden’s slumping poll numbers.

“Let me tell you, I’m not willing to do too damn much right now to help a Democrat and to help Joe Biden’s approval rating,” the MAGA Republican told CNN.

“I will not help the Democrats try to improve this man’s dismal approval ratings. I’m not going to do it. Why would I? Chuck Schumer has had H.R. 2 on his desk since July. And he did nothing with it,” Nehls added.

Republican loyalty to H.R. 2, an asylum-limiting immigration bill that passed in the House with zero Democratic votes, has proven to be an unstoppable headache for Congress with an almost zero percent chance of passing in the Democratic-controlled Senate or being signed by the president.

That hasn’t stopped House Republicans, more than 60 of whom traveled to the U.S.-Mexico border on Wednesday, from rejecting any sort of bipartisan deal on border security.

And Nehl’s confession on Wednesday may hint at the reason why: Republicans care more about who sits in the White House than doing anything about the border situation they keep harping on about.

“When the House clings to H.R. 2 as the only solution … we’re not going to get a deal,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said on Wednesday. “We’re willing to meet the Republicans a good part of the way. I think now in the last few days, many Republicans have begun to realize that we are willing to do that and how serious we are about getting this done.”

The transparently vacuous approach to building a border wall is not an uncommon party trick for conservatives, who have been so inoperative on their self-proclaimed party objectives in recent years that their own caucus has taken to railing against them on the House floor.

In November, Representative Chip Roy laid into his party for failing to pass any laws or reach meaningful policy goals that could translate to campaign talking points, leveraging years of inaction at the border under Trump’s presidency as his primary example.

“One thing. I want my Republican colleagues to give me one thing. One. That I can go campaign on and say we did,” Roy said. “One!”

“With all due respect to former President Trump, they sure as hell didn’t get border security done when we had the White House and the House and the Senate,” Roy said. “Talked a big game about building a wall and having Mexico pay for it. Ain’t no wall, and Mexico didn’t pay for it, and we didn’t pass any border security.”

https://newrepublic.com/post/177876/house-republican-admits-wont-back-border-bill-help-biden

And there it is. The Freedumb Caucus doesn't want to do ANYTHING other than stonewall Biden. The nation and the border be damned.

An unabridged recap of Biden's border catastrophe:


Jan 2021: "Those poor immigrants, I'm gonna reverse every Trump policy!!"
Feb 2021: "The border is secure!"
March 2021: "The border is secure!"
April 2021: "The border is secure!"
May 2021: "The border is secure!"
June 2021: "The border is secure!"
July 2021: "The border is secure!"
August 2021: "The border is secure!"
September 2021: "The border is secure!"
October 2021: "The border is secure!"
November 2021: "The border is secure!"
December 2021: "The border is secure!"
Jan 2022: "The border is secure!"
Feb 2022: "The border is secure!"
March 2022: "The border is secure!"
April 2022: "The border is secure!"
May 2022: "The border is secure!"
June 2022: "The border is secure!"
July 2022: "The border is secure!"
August 2022: "The border is secure!"
September 2022: "The border is secure!"
October 2022: "The border is secure!"
November 2022: "The border is secure!"
December 2022: "The border is secure!"
Jan 2023: "The border is secure!"
Feb 2023: "The border is secure!"
March 2023: "The border is secure!"
April 2023: "The border is secure!"
May 2023: "The border is secure!"
June 2023: "The border is secure!"
July 2023: "The border is secure!"
August 2023: "The border is secure!"
September 2023: "The border is secure!"

October 2023: "I got it... Let's build a wall!"
November 2023: "I need money for this border crisis!"
December 2023: "I need money for this border crisis!"
January 2024: "Those damned republicans!!!" (and oh yeah, Abbott drowns Mexicans)

I quoted Republicans. I guess ignoring everything they said somehow makes you feel better.