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Once again I'd like to remind people that Kessler is "going into training camp as the #1 QB'. That really doesn't mean anything accept he was the starter at the end of last season.
1. He will get the Lion's share of the #1 reps something he got hardly any of last season.
2. Somebody will have to really step up to take his status away. see #3
3. Being pegged as the #1 QB invokes confidence in a young QB,
Confidence is such an under rated virtue needed in a starting QB.
So it actually means a lot.
Other posts. Got news for you Kizer would win the starting job before BO does and there is hardly a chance that Kizer progresses enough to win the starting job.
Many of you are working off the premise that Kessler simply cannot throw a deep ball so that the Vertical game is null and void. Forget about desired Arm Strength, The deep out is the only pass really effected by deficient arm strength. And Kessler's arm is not as bad as many state on this board.
But one of the easiest passes is the Bomb. You don't want it on A LINE which a very strong arm can do. You want air under it and a very average arm can throw it up there.
Kessler's problem was pulling the trigger. We will see how he improves there. Logically his mental aspects of the game should progress greatly. Of course I could be wrong. I don't spend enough time watching him practice everyday.
I do like the fact that Joe Thomas has confidence in him and feels that there is plenty of zip on the ball of late.
Those who state you cannot strengthen an arm...simply do not know what they are talking about. All that tells me is they in their experience have never been able to accomplish that as a player or a coach.
Like many situations Kessler will probably be much better than negative views and a lot closer to average from us positive posters.
One thing that is undeniable about him. He is above average in his accuracy. I cannot remember a more accurate passer that we have had here since 1999.
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A lot, but I think Hoyer is a better qb than Kessler.
But, that's just me. I agree. Let's see if Kessler can improve. ^This right here. People have assumed that he has improved, but we haven't seen any evidence of it yet. Hue said he thinks his balls have more zip. Kessler says he was all upper body last year and is using his lower body this year, but none of that means he won't continue to dink and dunk once the heat is on, or that he won't retreat into his short throw shell the first time he tosses an INT on a deep ball. Color me skeptical. Cody Kessler was a late 3rd (almost 4th) round pick just one year ago. He was forced into starting in week 3 of his rookie season for a team that was tremendously deficient in a whole lot of areas and gave up 17 more sacks than the second most sacked team in the NFL.... Now I have no idea how good he might be... but given what SHOULD HAVE BEEN expected of him and what he was ultimately thrown into, you can bet your butt that damn near ANYBODY would have retreated into a "short throw shell".. it's called SELF-PRESERVATION. When your options are "Get it out in 2.5 seconds for 4 yards" or "scramble around and take an 8 yard loss"... you dump it off, every single time.
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Once again I'd like to remind people that Kessler is "going into training camp as the #1 QB'. That really doesn't mean anything accept he was the starter at the end of last season. No! We must decide his career now, in May!
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Kessler just simply isn't ready to be an NFL Starting QB "Right Now" He may be in the future, but last year actually stunted his growth and hurt him more then it helped him. He had no confidence at all to throw ball downfield.
What Kessler needs to to sit and actually learn with no pressure on him, same with Kizer.
I know folks want to say how "bad" Brock Osweiler was last year but the fact is Osweiler is:
1. The most expereinced Qb on the roster
2. The only Qb with Playoff Experience.
3. The only QB with a playoff win
4. Sat and Learned behind Manning.
Even if BO doesn't work out, he should be the starter going into next year...Both Kessler and Kizer need time for them to develop...neither of those guys are ready nor do they have a chance putting them out there next year. These guys are both developmental picks.
We need to stop setting up our young guys to fail....Kessler development was actually stunted last year due to putting him out there...we should have signed someone off the street to play instead as Kessler clearly wasn't ready to play.
If Osweiler can do one thing, he can buy Kessler and Kizer time..a year to sit and actually work on the things a Qb needs to do to have a chance in this league....nothing good will come of marching a project like Kessler or Kizer out on that field next year before they are ready....Kessler was seen as a 3-4 year project by many not even ready to sniff the field until year 3 by scouts...putting him out there is just setting the kid up to fail.
I can't believe for one second Jackson is this stupid though...I think Osweiler goes into the season opener as the starter, he is the only experienced guy on the roster, and he has shown in the past he is capable of playing pretty well. Last year in Houston could be an liberation, and your gotta go with the veteran when your other QB are projects as best.
Going with anyone other then Osweiler to start the year is setting up Kessler and Kizer for failure. Trust me, Oswieler doesn't make heart leap with joy at the fact of him starting, but he is the only guy we have with experience, and he is the best Qb we have on the roster right now sadly.
Maybe Kessler or Kizer will develop into the best, but until then you have to give the nod to the veteran guy(Oswieler) until either Kizer of Kessler can beat him out for the job in practice and games.
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A lot, but I think Hoyer is a better qb than Kessler.
But, that's just me. I agree. Let's see if Kessler can improve. ^This right here. People have assumed that he has improved, but we haven't seen any evidence of it yet. Hue said he thinks his balls have more zip. Kessler says he was all upper body last year and is using his lower body this year, but none of that means he won't continue to dink and dunk once the heat is on, or that he won't retreat into his short throw shell the first time he tosses an INT on a deep ball. Color me skeptical. Cody Kessler was a late 3rd (almost 4th) round pick just one year ago. He was forced into starting in week 3 of his rookie season for a team that was tremendously deficient in a whole lot of areas and gave up 17 more sacks than the second most sacked team in the NFL.... Now I have no idea how good he might be... but given what SHOULD HAVE BEEN expected of him and what he was ultimately thrown into, you can bet your butt that damn near ANYBODY would have retreated into a "short throw shell".. it's called SELF-PRESERVATION. When your options are "Get it out in 2.5 seconds for 4 yards" or "scramble around and take an 8 yard loss"... you dump it off, every single time. I take your point, DC, but I saw it on his college tape too. I'm not writing him off, I do want him to succeed, and I did see some some things I liked last year (finding the open man, converting on 3rd & long, seeing the field), but I do have these other concerns.
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What it means tab is that at the beginning of camp, before anyone has taken a snap, he is considered the #1 QB on the roster. That could change at any moment. Nothing more, nothing less.
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It's funny, most posters have always promoted the idea of allowing rookies and young QB's to sit and learn. Right up to the moment it's time for that to actually happen. Then...... well you have read the thread. lol
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He's pretty mature when he speaks to media, mature sounding anyway (least the interviews I've listened to.) Seems like he's aware of the work he needs to put forth to have a chance to compete for the starting position.
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I was hoping you would actually watch and notice that he can indeed throw the deep ball.
Oh well.... He threw the ball well in that one game. That was about the only game in his career where he did that well. Even Brady Quinn had 1 good game in his career.
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It's funny, most posters have always promoted the idea of allowing rookies and young QB's to sit and learn. Right up to the moment it's time for that to actually happen. Then...... well you have read the thread. lol 
I see only an injury replacing Kessler at #1.
I think Kessler is pretty steady so for somebody to beat him out...actually I would love to see that cause that means somebody IMPROVED MIRACULOUSLY 
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I was hoping you would actually watch and notice that he can indeed throw the deep ball.
Oh well.... He threw the ball well in that one game. That was about the only game in his career where he did that well. Even Brady Quinn had 1 good game in his career. YTown, I did not search for that game. It was the first one I clicked on. I watched the guy. You have admitted you don't watch NFL football many, many times. I am telling you that he can throw the deep ball way, way better than Kessler. It ain't close. Now, I know how you get about qbs. I remember your passion for Weeden and disdain for anyone who would challenge him. I remember your love for Timid and hate for Holcomb. I remember your how you hated McCoy. You are usually a reasonable poster, but something about qbs drives you off the deep end. Not sure why, but it's very evident. I don't think either Brock or Kessler are the long-term answer here, and I get that you are going to fight tooth-and-nail to prop Kessler up, just like you did w/your last great qb---Brandon Weeden. However, don't expect me to buy in, especially when you refuse to acknowledge that the guy threw a couple of unbelievable deep passes w/amazing accuracy and touch in that video.
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