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Your hero is once again taking a little bit of fact and manipulating it by interjecting his own slanted opinions on the situation to continue to bash the Browns.

I would agree w/that jay. I just was trying to debunk the line of thought that a couple of posters are saying he wanted out because he couldn't pick the coach. The situation was far more complicated than that.

As I said before, your bias is obvious and your decisions are unfair, but it's your sandbox. Have a nice night.

There was never any chance of this getting reversed. None. It's a done deal.

For better or for worse, the Browns are now married to Deshaun Watson.
Will he be the starting QB? Absolutely... eventually. This year? Probably at some point.

Oh really? I have had several posts on this very thread say Watson is my "hero" and "savior." Did you say anything to them? Like I said before............ban me if you wish, but save your BS for someone else.

Right. He may have announced that he wanted a trade after the coach was named, but everyone and their mother knew it was coming from all of the previous crap that went down.

Are you the one who PMed Purp? LOL

Ask arch and see if he will confirm. I'm not searching. You can call me a liar if you wish.

Are you the one who PMed Purp? LOL

Ask arch and see if he will confirm. I'm not searching. You can call me a liar if you wish.

Oh really? I have had several posts on this very thread say Watson is my "hero" and "savior." Did you say anything to them? Like I said before............ban me if you wish, but save your BS for someone else.

As I said before, your bias is obvious and your decisions are unfair, but it's your sandbox. Have a nice night.

Jadeveon Clowney came back to the Browns because ‘I was all about where my boy Deshaun (Watson) was going’

Updated: Jun. 16, 2022, 6:44 p.m. | Published: Jun. 16, 2022, 4:08 p.m.

Jadeveon Clowney was going where Deshaun Watson went: Browns minicamp
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By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio --Jadeveon Clowney’s compass was easy to read this offseason: Wherever Deshaun Watson was headed, Clowney was going there too.

When Watson shocked the sports world and picked the Browns over three other suitors, the Browns essentially got Clowney in a package deal.

“I played well here last year,’’ Clowney said on the final day of mandatory minicamp at FirstEnergy Stadium. “I felt like I could get better. Just pick up from what I did last year. Plus, my boy came here, Deshaun.”


Clowney made no bones about it: Whereever his former Houston Texans teammate put his pin on the map, Clowney would too.

“I was all about where my boy Deshaun was going,’’ he said. “When I talked to [the Browns], I said, ‘I played with him, he kept us off the field a lot.’ I was like, ‘I know you’re going to keep us off the field, you put up a lot of points, put us in rushing situations instead of having to stop the run all the time.’ I just wanted to go play with him and see what I can do with him again.”

So if Watson had chosen the Falcons over the Browns, which was rumored at one point, Clowney would be a Georgia peach right now?

“I probably would have,’’ he said. “I probably would’ve followed him there. But who knows? He ended up here. We’re here now. That’s over with. Let’s go. We’re chasing it now.”


Clowney, the three-time Pro Bowler, kept in contact with Watson throughout the selection process, during which the Saints and Panthers were also hot on his trail. Playing with Watson in 2017-18, Clowney made the Pro Bowl both years and had two of his best career seasons, with a career-high 9.5 sacks in 2017 and a second-best nine in 2018, a sum that he matched last year.


Six games into his rookie season in 2017, Watson tore his ACL and missed the rest of the season. But in 2018, he earned the first of his three Pro Bowl berths by en route to an 11-5 record and a wild-card spot in the playoffs, where they lost to the Colts.

“I talked to him a few times before he signed, after he signed,” Clowney said. “We stayed in touch through that whole thing about coming here. If he come, then I come. I told him if he goes, I’ll follow him up here. I’ll go back. That’s what it came down to.”

Like everyone else, Clowney is waiting on the edge of his seat for the NFL to hand down Watson’s expected suspension, which could be anywhere from a handful of games to an indefinite ban.

“That’s all right,’’ Clowney said. “We’ve got a good defense, we can hold it together. We did good last year and we were banged up on offense all over the place and our defense played well for what we had going on. We’ve got the same defense back, couple additional pieces. We’re going to be all right.”


Despite his allegiance to Watson, Clowney wasn’t about to throw Baker Mayfield under the bus. While the stingy defense had to deal with a points-starved offense, Clowney doesn’t hold it against Mayfield.

“I ain’t going to get into that because my boy Baker, that’s my guy,” he said. “I like Baker, good person, great person. I’m just glad to be back here doing my thing.”


Clowney, 29, is part of Watson’s support system as he deals with the looming suspension and 24 pending civil suits against him by massage therapists alleging sexual misconduct during appointments.


“That’s a lot of pressure,’’ Clowney said. “I told him that’s a lot of pressure for what he’s dealing with, but for him to just handle the situation the way he’s doing, I think he’s doing a good job. He doesn’t say much. He comes in here and works every day, he doesn’t let it bother him mess up his job, to work. He’s dealing with it well. I hope he just keeps doing it, take care of what he’s doing. Hope the best for my quarterback.’’

With the civil suits piling up and national and local media coming down hard, Clowney doesn’t go there much with his good buddy.

“Naw, that’s his personal biz, I don’t get into that,” he said. “Only football. I think there’s enough out here in the world going on, I don’t even have to ask him what’s going on. They put it all out there, so I try not to ask him. I’m sure he don’t want to talk about it.”

Clowney texted linebacker Anthony Walker after Clowney signed his one-year deal worth up to $11 million and promised they’d get after it this season.

“I told him we were a couple pieces away last year, a couple plays away,” he said. “If I come back, I’m chasing it. Same thing I told Myles [Garrett], ‘We’ve got to chase that Super Bowl. I didn’t come here just to win eight, nine games, I want to chase the Super Bowl.’ And I think we’ve got a shot. Put it together this year and see where it goes.”


If Watson was the biggest draw for Clowney, Garrett was a close second. The two complemented each other well, with Garrett setting the club record with 16 sacks and Clowney notching nine. Now that they know each other, there could be more where that came from.

“Me and him did some good things together,” Clowney said. “We got along well. We played well together. We fed off each other. We felt like we come here and do the same thing. Even better. That was our first year and we know each other better. We got a good thing going from last year. We want to keep it going.”

What’s more, now Walker, Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah and the others know how to fit with Clowney.


“The whole linebacker corps was new to me,’’ he said. “Everybody’s back. To have the guy behind you already know how he fill and what he likes to do, that makes it easy on myself. I can look back there and have to ask, because he already know what he’s going to do. That’s what makes it a lot better playing with the same guys instead of bouncing around and trying to figure out who guys are.”

Clowney, an elder statesmen on the team, got visits during his podium press conference from a few of his teammates.

“What are your goals this year,’’ running back D’Ernest Johnson asked.

“Make way more plays than I did last year,’’ he said. “Make more sacks. More TFLs. Just trying to get it going.”

Amari Cooper popped in next.

“You coming to my birthday party?’’ he asked, referring to the big soiree in Miami this weekend that a lot of his teammates are attending.

“Dang man, I want to,’’ Clowney said. “I have a camp Saturday, but I want to get down there. You just told me that yesterday. You put me on the spot.”



Like Walker, Clowney feels more of a family atmosphere this year.

“It’s pretty laid back, man,” he said. “I feel like we get along well, it’s a good group, very young team. Hell, I’m one of the oldest ones on here, it’s the weirdest thing. But it’s a young team and we have a lot of fun together. I have a lot of fun out here with these guys and that was my biggest part, I had a lot of fun last year.”

With young defensive linemen on board such as Perrion Winfrey and Alex Wright, Clowney says he and Garrett will lead by example.

“Just show ‘em how we’ve been doing it, how we work, how we do our thing out there during the week,’’ he said. “It all happens during the week. We do a lot of work during the week, we work during practice, we run around hard, we don’t take plays off. I think when they see how we work, they see the older guys doing it, they’re going to pick up off it, which they do pretty well now.”

Clowney is confident this team is better this year, especially if Watson plays.


“Of course,” he said. “We were good on defense last year. We picked up some new pieces on the offense and defense and I just feel like we’re a better team than we were last year.”

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...ere-my-boy-deshaun-watson-was-going.html

Okay mac, I didn't think you were the type to PM Purp. And I am sorry if I hurt your feelings by saying "your hero."

Different set of rules for rich, white owners than there are from the black, paid help.

mac, what do you think about Clowney saying that it was all about where his boy Watson was going and how he might have even followed Watson to Atlanta had he gone there? Would you acknowledge that is a pretty strong endorsement coming from a man who actually knows Watson and was his teammate? Would you agree that he knows more about Watson than you, me, and guys like Florio? Do you think it would be wise to perhaps keep an open mind on Watson until all the facts come out about the case?

Divide intensifies in league office over handling of Deshaun Watson

Posted by Mike Florio on June 16, 2022, 7:13 PM EDT
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Even before recent developments gave the Deshaun Watson case a more ominous feel, some in the league office believed that Watson should not play until the pending litigation has ended. However, Commissioner Roger Goodell took the possibility of paid leave off the table in March.

Starting with the feature that debuted 23 days ago on HBO’s Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel, the situation has gotten worse for Watson, with two more lawsuits filed, two more expected, and possibly more to come. As one source with the dynamics of the situation explained it to PFT on Thursday, the league is very concerned about the drip, drip, drip of more cases being filed.

The new cases, the looming cases, and the possibility for even more cases, coupled with the HBO story and the recent article from Jenny Vrentas of the New York Times, have given more credibility to those in the league office who want Watson to be sidelined until the litigation has completely ended.

It’s unclear how this split will be resolved, and it will be difficult for the league to make a full and final decision regarding potential discipline without knowing how many cases will be filed. Through it all, the league has to balance the potential consequences of going too far with the possible fallout from not going far enough. And it was a failure to go far enough with Ray Rice in 2014 that nearly brought down the house.

Whatever the Commissioner does, he won’t put himself in position to be criticized again for going too easily on a player accused of misconduct against a woman. Or 26 women. And counting.

Yes, but this is supposed to be the Pure Football forum, so maybe it would be okay to discuss the football angle once in awhile? Instead, we get the daily Florio slanted opinion pieces that trash Watson and the Browns.

What about others - at what point (or has it already been reached) will you feel this was bad business?

Sorry, I don't buy in to that. At least the rich and white/black part. The owner part I might agree.

There is so much space between best-case and worst-case that it is very hard to predict.

I guess I am over the idea of speculating on whether the FO did or didn't do a thorough investigation. If they expected all this bad press across all the National and Sport media, the additional cases, the sordid details - then it seems almost as bad an indictment on them as if they didn't do a very thorough investigation. But I don't know - and at this point it doesn't change the outcome.

From a pure football perspective - what does impact the Browns is DW's availability to start and bring his elite skills to the QB of the team. That's another area of speculation or conjecture for everyone - but that does and will change the outcome of how we view this trade. Some of the questions I have:

- How does the NFL move forward without resolution to these cases - maybe with some sort of caveat that any suspension could be increased if DW is found guilty or if more evidence/cases emerge ?

- As others have said, the NFL really only cares about it's image, it's revenue and the optics. If they treat DW leniently, they face a potential back lash. They potentially face continued and worse PR if DW ever lost a case in Criminal court. Saying this is a giant mess for the NFL is an understatement. And that in turn makes it a nightmare for the Browns while we wait on the NFL to make a decision. This story is bigger than the Ray Rice story and the NFL botched that so badly you have to think they would rather face an extended fight with the NFLPA than look weak/stupid again. . . . . In essence, if the NFL are going to get this verdict/decision wrong - you can bet your bottom dollar they will err on the side of being too punitive.

- If DW does not settle - he faces a very realistic possibility of losing in the criminal case. And if we think of someone like OJ - no-one thinks to themselves "Hey he was innocent in a court of law, and it was only a civil case that found him guilty" .... every man, woman and child brands OJ guilty.

- If DW settles - some might insist this was a witch hunt, made worse by local media ... maybe even suggest Watson is 100% innocent. I would think at least as many Browns fans would assume DW had some culpability and guilt.

- My last thought or question regards how long this stink will linger. If it's a 10 game ban, will everyone have moved on by the start of next season and this will be a non-story? If it's a season long ban - this story will be front and center of slow news off season months as DW prepares to take the field. Will we hear about this for the next 2 NFL drafts when they talk about why CLE has no #1 draft picks? .... none of which is pure football - but as a fan of the team, it hurts to see the team you root for dragged through the mud.


I mentioned in another post - at some point, the trade for an elite QB comes at a price that is too steep - in addition to the picks, the $1/4B, the bad press and optics, the ban . . . . I haven't landed there yet, but I am close to the point where I will think this is a bad trade if DW is gone for an entire season or more and we have a lost year with Brissett at QB. The team is strong and built to compete. I think it would suck for everyone to sit and watch them play with their back up QB as the starter for an entire year.

What about others - at what point (or has it already been reached) will you feel this was bad business?