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I heard the purple team had five former first round picks at wide receiver and it had not been done before,
then, I heard it was with the signing of La@uan Treadwell, and the final paragraph
told me enough about Treadwell who was drafted by the Vikings in 20I6.

Treadwell is joining his seventh NFL team. He has 110 career catches for 1,226 yards and five touchdowns

so they are rolling with
OBJ
Nelson Agholor
Rashad Bateman
rookie Xay Flowers and
La@uan Treadwell as their five first round Wr's, tuff stuff no doubt,
Tough, stuff, no, doubt.

but they still don't look as respectable as the bengals top 3 to hurt a defense in my opinion.

My thoughts how it stands right now assuming we only keep 3 rb’s, 3 te’s:

1. Cooper
2. Moore
3. DPJ
4. Tillman
5. Bell
6. Watson
7. Grant

I'd ditch Grant. Watkins has earned it.

1. Cooper
2. Moore
3. DPJ
4. Tillman
5. Bell
6. Watkins - dont know why I typed Watson
7. Grant

Grant makes this team if he is healthy. We are desperate for a pro bowl caliber returner.

health is his issue, and he's not been available really at all. I agree about needing a returner, but him being hurt doesn't help us there either

The way I understand it is they are just ramping him up for the opener with Takitaki and Walker. He has been practicing

Yep. From all I have read, I will be more surprised if they release Grant than keep him as part of the 53 man roster.

Personally, if it came down to it, I'd eighty-six Bell before Grant in order to keep Watkins.

I agree that Watkins is a keeper.

Cooper, DPJ, Watkins, Tillman, Bell should be locks, with one other spot up for grabs. Really liking Tillman, my new favourite receiver.

Edit: forgot about Moore. He’s another lock. So then what? Cut Bell? Sneak someone onto the PS? Go with seven receivers which is possible but that’s a lot of WRs on the 53?
I guess we’ll wait and see who’s healthy nearing cut down day.

I definitely would keep Watkins over Bell too

The one thing I noticed about Tillman when he was at Tennessee which seems to be proving itself true in the NFL to this point, not only is he one of those larger, more physical WR's who you can count on to get the contested catch, but for his size he runs good routes and seems to have a knack for finding that soft spot in the coverage to get open off of those routes.

If you still have a chance to see it, it showed itself to be evident in the game against the Eagles. There was one catch he made on the left of the field where there was one defender to his left, one to his right and one behind him. Yet he found the spot between them all where he would still be open and made that catch. We also saw his physical side in the same game. That's a very valuable combination to have in a WR. I NEVER thought he would still be on the board when the Browns pick came up in the third round.

I think the idea of keeping seven WR's sounds odd to Browns fans because ever since 1999 this team has not had what I think will be such a pass heavy offense. I believe they may very well keep seven WR's on the active roster. This is an unusual set of circumstances for the Browns as a team. Suddenly there's so much talent at the WR position that they have WR's they can't afford to put many of them on the practice squad because other teams will scoop them up and they will need them because with so many plays using as much as four WR sets the risk of increased injuries among your WR's increases.

It should be, \
Cooper
Moore
Schwartz
DPJ
Goodwin if healthy
Tillman
then Bell
then Watkins

But just 4 weeks ago, J. Darden was allegedly the next big thing, better than Bell and the next returner.
and Woods II was probably between Goodwin and Tillman if healthy, or Tillman and Bell,
And
If D Baldwin didn't hurt his hamstring, then maybe Watkins wouldn't have been on the field to make whatever catches in pre season.

If you keep seven, and place Goodwin, Darden, and Baldwin, with an injury designation, and Woods II is already on IR. then Grant would clear waivers b/c he hasn't been in a game in such a while,
and Felton can stay in the Rb room, and
Felton, DPJ, and Schwartz would be your returners
^ for opening day, then, in 4 to + weeks there might be some rotating.

then the waivers beyond Grant, would be Harley, Jaeen? and other ??'s

I wouldn't be surprised if Cooper, Moore, Schwartz, D.P.J, Tillman, Bell, and Watkins, are the seven that would make the fifty three, on opening day, as hard as that may be to fathom, .. and I think it could be the most right way to keep all eleven, at least for a while.

I think Cedric Tillmans' strength of running himself into open space, .. getting open,
is at the same time his weakness of/because,
in one instance he may do it, and then in another instance you may see him struggle badly against it.

although, and it sounds dumb, but although getting a contested catch is one of the best things he does.......against weak, or not there, or out of position defenders..... and not just the contested catch but getting off the line of scrimmage and getting open away from the coverage,...is one of the best things he does....against lesser, or not there, or out of position defenders

it's all ALSO they are each one of the worst 3 things he does against tuff, and right there, and in position good defenders, so much that even if it is what he is best at, it is what he needs to work on the most.

Are any of the Browns Wrs. really any good or are a lot of them just 'almost, almost good' sometimes,

Beyond the top 2? maybe 2, there is a lot of average and inconsistent play especially when the regular season starts.

DPJ might have had a memorable play, highlight reel, in 202I, but it was 2 plays a month, and there are 4 games, and he is one of your top 3 or better receivers?

I think since the current coach group, got the offense:
they have struggled to get the ball to any one eligible receiver more than five times a game consistently , even when it included Ob Jr.
...
Until Amari came along. ? Ok, until Amari came along, maybe last year.

I think you may need to see more of Tillman. He displayed both of those qualities against CB's that are starters in the NFL in that last preseason game. I watched him play at Tennessee.

DPJ amassed 61 receptions for 839 yards in 2022.

I would venture to guess that on most NFL teams that would rate you in their top 3 WR's. Especially if they had a back-up QB starting 11 of their 17 games.

I'd take a 5rder and a ham sandwich for Schwartz- ALL he has is speed, he does not run good routes, he can't catch, he fumbles- the FO and everyone else loves speed---cut him and develop other players- he should be TOAST.

You could probably get the ham sandwich

the ham sandwich might be a deal-breaker.

Don't bring Peyton Hillis into this.

Schwartz is garbage; not strong enough, awful route runner, probably struggle in the CFL. Watkins deserves to make the roster.

Glad to be here all! Fan for over 20 years now from NC, favorite all time player is Bob Golic(No never saw him play in person, but have met him before and watched a lot of highlights, top DT).Favorite one actually seen in person is Timmy C. Also a teacher by trade.

Thanks.

Welcome! We've all been waiting patiently for Schwartz to show us something, it hasn't happened. I have serious doubts that he'll be in "the room" when the season starts.

Weird thing is, though that Schwarts is a pretty darn good gunner on special teams.

Only way making this or any other team is to be on special teams tbh. I'm not a seer by any means, but I really do not think he will ever be a productive WR in this league, dude just doesn't have the intangibles. But yes how this organization does things sometimes, I would not be stunned if he made the team over someone like Watkins, I really wouldn't.

I think we’ll keep Watkins over Schwartz

I actually think so too.

Elijah Moore fills the specialty role that Schwartz had last year, and to a higher effect. Grant will make the team as a specialist/returner. It would be hard to keep both Schwartz and Grant active on gameday.

I think that Watkins has a higher upside than Schwartz as a reciever, and I think that will make the difference.

I hope so.

Potential is a fleeting thing. You can hold on to that description for a couple of seasons. After that, you are either good, or not.

Watkins has potential.

Here is how I see the Browns depth chart right now before cut down day.

X - Amari Cooper - Cedrick Tillman
Y - Elijah Moore - Jakeem Grant (KR)
Z - Donovan Peoples Jones (PR) - Marquis Goodwin

Here are the questions the front office has to ask do they keep 6? Or 7? If 7 Austin Watkins or David Bell? Then if they keep 7 what position gets shorted a roster spot?

Did Cedrick Tillman show enough to supplant Donovan Peoples Jones the teams #2. If so maybe they could trade Jones for another asset or pick and open a spot for Watkins or Bell.

Can anyone else on the roster be a kick returner and if so does Watkins or Bell provide more value than Grant?

Long term (next year or 2) Cooper and Goodwin probably won't be on the roster. Does the front office see long term value in either Watkins or Bell that may keep them around to continue to develop by keeping 7 and cutting Grant.

I do not know where the front office will go but here is what I am hoping for.

X - Amari Cooper - Cedrick Tillman
Y - Elijah Moore - Austin Watkins
Z - Donovan Peoples Jones - Marquis Goodwin - David Bell

Best thing about WR room now is we have NO SLUGS- All catch the ball, most run good to great routes, and only know" problem" is blood clots- real serious for the player, yet, team wise we have speed backups- I see no weaknesses- speed, size, hands, routes- it is all there. PLUS, our TEs cause problems-.....Nick Chub with fewer bodies in box- dang, I'd hate to plan against us.....GO Browns!!!