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Re: What Now Pt. 2 DeisleDawg 02/25/26 02:49 AM
Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
Originally Posted by DeisleDawg
Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
Originally Posted by YTownBrownsFan
As much as we may have other needs .... if Caleb Downs is there at 6, I run his name to the podium.


Love Downs, but that is just too rich for a safety. We have way too many needs on offense, with offensive players rated just as high. I think he would be ANOTHER staple in the defense, but I don't see him lifting this defense higher than they already were in 2025. The offense, well, there is no where to go but up...

Totally disagree

Jok may not play again

Downs can play in the box many times lining up near the line of scrimmage

His talent would be a great addition to the team needing a versatile guy

His run defense is what the Browns need

Put him in the big nickle and let the defense tear teams apart

Not even a thought if I'm Berry

Welcome to the Browns Mr Downs !


Look, I love Downs, I love a lot of Buckeyes in this draft and it isn't because I'm a Buckeyes fan, it's because they are some of the best players in the draft. We had a top 3 defense last year, JOK-Love this kid as an Irish fan and the fact he came to my beloved Browns...this defense didn't drop out of the top ten because JOK wasn't there. Was he missed (expletive) YES he was missed and will continue to be missed. He was a cornerstone player... Now, Schwessinger is a cornerstone player. Different type of player, same impact.

This offense will continue to hold this amazing defense back unless you put players on the roster to bring it out of the gutter.

A Carnell Tate or Chase Bisontis will impact this team as a whole more than Caleb Downs will... simply because either of them could help keep the defense off the field. If the other team isn't on the field to score points, then our defense will improve organically.

I am on either path here, improve the WR room IMMENSELY and make some improvements on the O-line at the same time, or go all in on the O-line and add a weapon or two at WR, TE or RB in the middle rounds. Either way, it helps the QB room and the team as a whole.

If we go all in on O-line, we need to trade down and get some more draft capital in either early stages of this draft or for 2027 in case we need to go get our guy at QB.

I want this team to be ready to draft a QB in 2027.. right now, it isn't even close.


**EDIT - Also, if you want to replace JOK, pay attention to the combine this week and take a look at Anthony Hill Jr. from Texas. This is a guy that can cover with the best safeties, but excels against the run in the box. Very athletic.



What I disagreed about was what you said about being too rich for safety. I don't think so. The Browns have always struggled with stopping the run game.

Ward was taken first round pick 4 as a corner. Yes there is a difference between the two. I like safety, because they are that last line of defense. And having a physical run stopping safety is something the Browns could really use. Most safeties play that 10, 11-15 yards back. Downs was playing up close to the line and ready. Like Polamalu. Wouldn't it be nice to have a player like that.

Look at this year's Super Bowl. Defense on both teams, defense other than not great QB play was due to defense which won the game.

I would love Tate, Has been my number one guy for the Browns to take. The Browns have struggled with drafting a number one WR. Tillman in round three has been probably the best if not Donovan People Jones who was a 6th round pick.

I honestly don't know if Tate could impact the team more than Downs. Depends on who is QB and can make him a productive WR. Bisontis is a second or third round pick. No comparison to a Tate or Downs

I understand as most fans know that O- line and WR's are priorities. But saying Downs is too rich ? I can't agree with that.

I do appreciate your inputs, points and posts.
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Re: Live updates: Supreme Court rules against Trump's tariffs, limiting president's power to impose taxes FATE 02/25/26 02:20 AM
No problem at all, as long as I get my Bidenflation refund check. Especially if it's 18 trillion.

Asking for another friend: Did you have any problem with the previous WH using every gov't site available to propagate the Russia Hoax? What about forbidding other sites from discussion the crackhead's laptop?

Didn't think so.
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Re: Tennessee House passes bill saying same-sex marriages do not have to be recognized lampdogg 02/25/26 12:26 AM
Gay marriage has been legal in Nova Scotia for 23 years.
There was some opposition to it back in the day but not a lot, and 23 years in, I don’t know anyone who cares.

Then again, east coast Canadians are very much “live and let live”, compared to …… other places. We have a lot of religious people up here of course, but they don’t wave their beliefs around at parties, and zealotry isn’t really a thing here.

Gay people don’t choose to be gay, that’s ridiculous.
Who would choose it, if they weren’t?
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Re: DOJ, FBI conclude Jeffrey Epstein had no "client list," committed suicide PitDAWG 02/24/26 08:39 PM
Epstein files: DOJ may have withheld FBI interviews with Trump accuser, Rep. Garcia says

The Department of Justice “appears to have illegally withheld FBI interviews” with a survivor of sex predator Jeffrey Epstein, who had also accused President Donald Trump “of heinous crimes,” Rep. Robert Garcia of California said.

The Democrat’s statement came after reports that FBI interviews with that accuser were not viewable on the DOJ’s database of millions of files related to Epstein that were made public after a federal law was passed by Congress mandating their disclosure.

“For the last few weeks, Oversight Democrats have been investigating the FBI’s handling of allegations from 2019 of sexual assault on a minor made against President Donald Trump by a survivor,” Garci said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/24/eps...1PmeLNEQFNfY7_aem_pohwMvDvysZqLP2aUTkg6w

Full article at the link provided.
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Re: More Music PitDAWG 02/24/26 07:58 PM


Uh oh. I posted two music videos in the same day. I better be careful. But maybe since this is a redneck song it will be okay? naughtydevil
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Re: Quarterback Defined IrishDawg42 02/24/26 07:18 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
Every other QB, I don't see being rated higher than Sanders, it's that weak of a class.

Rated by who? The NFL decided that Sanders wasn't rated in the first four rounds and some teams even passed on him in the fifth round. The only people I know that have this years QB's rated are the same people who had Sanders rated in the first or early second round in last years draft. My suggestion would be to take that with a grain of salt. Maybe even two grains of salt.

Rated by me, I don't know if posts can be searched, but I was one of those that had Sanders rated really low. He hasn't gained much on that rating yet, but this is a historically bad QB class. I currently have Drew Allar as my #2 QB behind Mendoza. That's pretty freaking bad since I wouldn't touch Allar before reaching in the 4th round if I were desperate.

I certainly admire the fact you research all of this and have a strong belief in the opinions you arrive at. And I'm certainly not questioning the fact you felt Sanders was overrated last year. I had that same opinion.

But to claim that every QB in this years draft after Mendoza is no better than Sanders is what I believe is going a little too far. We were both right about Sanders but as with everyone else I've certainly been wrong a lot on draft picks as well. I'm sure you have been too. But our disagreement on that part of things doesn't change the fact we pretty much agree about everything else in terms of drafting a QB in this years draft.

We already have two projects on the roster at QB. Even if Gabriel is traded it still leaves nothing but a project as a possible long term answer on the roster. Watson is on the last year of his contract and only a fool would re-sign him even if he has one decent year.

And neither of us see any QB beyond Mendoza as anything other then a project. We just disagree on the degree of how big a project a couple of them are. But the last thing we need right now is yet another project thrown into the mix.


Obviously, I've been wrong plenty of times, otherwise, I would have figured out a way to be in a different business. I will say, I didn't even know who Brock Purdy was. He never entered my radar. But.. he was drafted into one of the best situations imaginable. Had he been drafted by the Browns that year, no one outside of Cleveland would still know who he is.

I would have to go back and look, but if memory serves, I had Bo Nix with a second round grade. I was surprised when he went 12th overall. In fact I only had Caleb Williams and Drake Maye with first round grades. We all knew Jayden Daniels was going early in the first round, but I had a second round grade on him also.

So yeah, I definitely miss sometimes, but without patting myself on the back, I am more right than wrong, especially when it comes to QBs... you know what? That is by design. Everyone OVERevaluates QBs every single year. I am just more realistic in my evaluations. So, it isn't that I am right more than everyone else, I just don't get paid to be overly optimistic to sell ads.

It isn't that I am stating with confidence that Sanders will be better than every other QB, I am just confident that none of the others have a more than a 10% chance of being a successful franchise QB, same as I evaluated Sanders last year.

Projects don't pay the bills. I would rather build an impenetrable roster that even Dillon Gabriel could win with as a 3rd string QB when fate deals you a bad hand in any given year for a game or two. So, to spend a 2nd round pick on a project that has a very low chance of developing into a franchise guy, I would rather draft the Scwesinger's of the world.

Now, if there is a true second round grade on a QB, I have no problem spending a first round draft pick on that guy. His percentage sky rockets from 10% to about 25% chance. I am more than happy to spend a first round pick on a guy that I think has a 25% chance of becoming a really good starter in this league. I am also willing to spend multiple years worth of picks on a guy I have rated higher than nearly all other players in the draft. For instance, if we end up with a 7 win year in 2027 and that puts us around 10-12 in the draft order.

I HAVE NOT DONE 2027 DRAFT GRADES PRIOR TO 2026 SEASON, THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL.

Say this is the outcome of the 2027 evaluations(MY evaluations):

1. Jeremiah Smith WR
2. Colin Simmons EDGE
3. Dylan Stewart EDGE
4. Leonard Moore CB
5. Dante Moore QB
6. David Stone DL
7. Nick Marsh WR
8. DJ Lagway QB
9. Jordan Ross DL
10. Arch Manning QB
11. Trevor Goosby OT
12. LaNorris Sellers QB
13. Koi Perich S

I would have no problem trying to trade from #13 overall to #1 overall to take Dante Moore.

If I personally have him rated this high in this draft class, it tells me I want to do everything in my power to get him. According to the chart, that would mean #13, 2028 first, 2029 first and probably 2027 second.

I would personally go #13, 2027 second, 2028 first, 2028 second and 2029 first and 2029 third to get the deal done. Why? Because I have already did my due diligence fostering a roster that is only in need of a QB. That means it can be maintained for 3 years while you wait to get back to picking great players in the draft.

If the team in first needs a QB just as bad and won't budge, I would make the same offer for DJ Lagway at #2 based on these evaluations... at #3 for Arch Manning it would need to be changed slightly, same with Sellers at #4... Because if they are rated THIS highly, I need someone I believe is going to be a future star.

Now, say this is the evaluations:

1. Jeremiah Smith WR
2. Colin Simmons EDGE
3. Dylan Stewart EDGE
4. Leonard Moore CB
5. Dante Moore QB
6. David Stone DL
7. Nick Marsh WR
8. Jordan Ross DL
9. Trevor Goosby OT
10. Koi Perich S
11. OJ Frederick Jr CB
12. Cam Coleman WR
13. Ahmad Hardy RB
...
28 DJ Lagway QB
35 Arch Manning QB
48 LaNorris Sellers QB
75 Julian Sayin QB

I would put the same offer out there for Moore...
But my other offers are not going to go to those lengths. Maybe offer at #2 for Lagway--#13, 2028 First Round, 2028 or 2029 second round
Then it gets progressively worse. I would probably only move up to like #7-9 for Manning, so maybe #13, and 2027 second round or 2028 first round
Then Sellers is more than likely, if he is available at #13, I would probably think really hard and still pull the trigger. Once I got past Sellers, I would still consider moving down from #13 or up from that second round spot into the mid 20's for Sayin. QBs are not a dime a dozen, if they have a chance to be that guy, I would spend draft capital on them.

Once you get past a 3rd round grade, they are nothing more than a project and I wouldn't go higher than a low 3rd round pick to take any of them. That's my philosophy.
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Re: Browns News 6.0 MemphisBrownie 02/24/26 06:01 PM
Browns add a 2-time NFL head coach as senior defensive assistant
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...apers-as-senior-defensive-assistant.html
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Re: Grand jury declines criminal charges against 6 Democrats who urged military to reject illegal orders PitDAWG 02/24/26 05:37 PM
U.S. Attorney's Office drops effort to indict 6 Democratic lawmakers who posted video on illegal orders, sources say

Washington — The top federal prosecutor in Washington, D.C. has decided to table efforts to try to indict six Democratic lawmakers for posting a video urging military members not to follow orders they believe are illegal, sources told CBS News on Tuesday.

The decision by U.S. Attorney Jeanine Pirro to end the case comes after a grand jury in Washington, D.C. earlier this month refused to return an indictment, CBS News previously reported.

It was not yet clear whether the Justice Department could still explore pursuing other venues for the case, one of the sources cautioned. It was unlikely, another source said.

A spokesman for Pirro declined to comment. The decision to table the case in Washington, D.C., was reported earlier by NBC News.

The grand jury's rejection of the charges is historically rare, but is becoming more commonplace in Washington and other federal districts as grand jurors are seemingly becoming more concerned about whether some of the cases are politicized and designed to exact retribution against President Trump's enemies.

Several politically-hired attorneys who work with Pirro were assigned to the case against the lawmakers, sources told CBS News, and they tried to indict the six under a criminal statute known as 18 U.S.C. § 2387.

That law threatens a 10-year maximum prison sentence for anybody who "advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military."

After presenting the case to the grand jury, several sources told CBS that the grand jurors unanimously rejected the indictment, which is even more unusual.

All six Democrats later publicly condemned the move and applauded the grand jury.

After the rejection of the case became public, Abbe Lowell, an attorney for Democratic Rep. Jason Crow of Colorado, wrote a letter to Pirro telling her that he was putting her and her office "on notice of the legal ramification" if they continue to pursue charges.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pirro-...oa6OdSM6eExpM_aem_UVWEjLB6xfKZVxjpJ1XHyw

It seems as if the witch hunt is over. At least this one.

Rumor has it that Jeanine Pirro is currently considering bringing charges against the cast and crew of A Few Good Men. 😁
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Re: Halftime show PitDAWG 02/24/26 03:23 PM
Nobody really cared about the half time show before. There have been a few occasions that I watched it when they had artists I really liked but most every year the people I watched it with talked, ate and socialized during the halftime show. There have been several years when actual immigrants from other countries performed the halftime show. Nobody seemed to care or make a big deal out of it.

But this year they decided to throw a tantrum which seems to be a pattern now. And yes, they can choose to throw a tantrum if they want to.

For some reason they decided that having a halftime show performed by an American citizen that performed in the very language they speak in his part of America is in-American. That just sounds stupid. And then, on top of that they think you can actually have a Superbowl halftime show at a location where not only isn't the Superbowl being played, but at a place where no football game is being played at all. That's called a concert. That's doubling down on the stupid.

When you are such snowflakes you that you throw a concert at a random location where no football game is being played while calling it a halftime show, that creates a whole new level of being triggered and throwing a tantrum. I find the entire thing hilarious.
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The Dems... again FATE 02/24/26 05:28 AM
I seriously thought this was fake. It's not. FIVE forms of ID to shovel snow. None to vote. The jokes just write themselves with this party. rofl




#JimCrowSnow2.0
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Re: Our Economy is Collapsing PitDAWG 02/23/26 07:13 PM
It seems you've lost your way again. This discussion was about Covid relief and Covid tax cuts. Millions of Americans were out of their jobs during Covid through no fault of their own. They weren't "bums". I don't doubt you could cut spending. And a lot of people would suffer greatly as a result.

But the discussion is that's not what Republicans are doing and hasn't been for a long time now. Try to focus.
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Re: GOP lawmaker joins Democrat-led effort to limit Trump's pardon power Ballpeen 02/23/26 09:01 AM
Originally Posted by YTownBrownsFan
I could be wrong, but since the President has Pardon Power in the Constitution, I would think that such an attempt would be repealed by the Supreme Court.

Bingo.
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Re: 2026 Winter Olympics Ballpeen 02/23/26 08:36 AM
Originally Posted by jfanent
....and the US men follow suit with another GWG in OT vs Canada. To be fair, the US was totally outplayed the entire game and should have lost by 3-4 goals They were outskated and outshot by a large margin. If it weren't for one incredible save after another by goalie Hellebuyk, and Canada missing 2 wide open gimme shots in the 3rd, this game never would have went to OT. But, give credit where credit is due. They never gave up, even killed off 1:33 of 5 on 3. It was great to see our first men's hockey gold since the Miracle on Ice. Jack Hughes, who scored the game winner, had a couple teeth knocked out earlier in the game, came back in like nothing happened and cemented his name in hockey history. He would have been on IR in other sports.

That is why I have taken some issue with QB being called the most important position in sports. I think a goalie in hockey is about the same.

If you have a wall in front of the net, you are going to win a lot of games.

Yesterday the USA had a wall in front of the net.
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Re: What The Trump Administrartion and CBS Didn't Want you to See PitDAWG 02/22/26 07:25 PM
For anyone still in denial that trump isn't trying to control the media there's this.............

As of February 2026, Netflix is engaged in a high-stakes, roughly $82.7 billion all-cash bid to acquire the studio and streaming assets of Warner Bros. Discovery (WBD). The deal, aimed at acquiring major franchises like DC Comics and Harry Potter, faces intense regulatory scrutiny, a rival offer from Paramount Skydance, and opposition from political figures

Key Details of the Potential Acquisition:

The Bid: Netflix has proposed an all-cash offer of approximately $82.7 billion ($27.75 per share) to acquire WBD’s film/TV studios and the HBO Max streaming service.

Rivalry: Paramount Skydance has submitted a higher competing bid of roughly $108 billion (including debt) for the entire company.

Board Support: Despite the higher offer, the WBD board has shown preference for the Netflix deal, though they have given Paramount a window to increase its bid.

Regulatory & Political Hurdles: The US Justice Department has opened an antitrust investigation into the Netflix/WBD deal to examine if it creates a monopoly or hinders competition. The deal has faced vocal opposition from political figures and industry professionals, including filmmaker James Cameron.

Deal Structure: The deal is intended to close after the separation of WBD’s TV networks (like CNN and TNT) into a separate entity.

And now comes trump applying the pressure in his usual petty way...............

Trump demands Netflix fire Susan Rice as DOJ probes Warner deal

KEY POINTS

President Donald Trump demanded that Netflix fire board member Susan Rice or "pay the consequences."

Rice argued during a podcast last week that "it is not going to end well" for corporations, news organizations, and law firms that "bent the knee" to Trump, and that their deference is unpopular.

Trump's comments come as Netflix is pursuing a takeover of Warner Bros. Discovery.

The Department of Justice is reviewing the proposed acquisition.

President Donald Trump late Saturday called on Netflix to fire board member Susan Rice or "pay the consequences," after she said Democrats would push for corporate accountability if they regain power in the November midterm elections.

In a Truth Social post on Saturday, Trump described Rice, who served as President Joe Biden's domestic policy chief and held top foreign policy posts under President Barack Obama, as "purely a political hack" with "no talent or skills."

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/02/22...usan-rice-as-doj-probes-warner-deal.html

That sounds like the perfect description of most of his own cabinet.
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Re: Republican Right Wing Nuts - Part ???? PitDAWG 02/21/26 08:10 PM


Murica! Freedumb of speech only counts for us!
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Re: Poltical Jokes Part 5 MemphisBrownie 02/21/26 06:50 PM
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Re: Cavs/NBA 2.0 bonefish 02/21/26 11:50 AM
Harden is a great passer.

Super impressed by what Ellis and Schroeder bring.

The Cavs are deep and have many options for matchups.

This is going to be a fun ride watching them.
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Re: 3-D Printers? FATE 02/20/26 06:24 PM
BTW, have you printed any carbon fiber blends or nylon with your Bambu X1C?
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Re: Browns hire new Special Teams Coach oobernoober 02/20/26 05:51 PM
Originally Posted by IrishDawg42
Taking specialists out of the pay equation, Kicker, Punter, Long Snapper. They have roles, but they are minimal... In this case of punt coverage, Bojorquez was only 24th in punt average, so we were low as a punter AND low as a coverage team.
Average pay per special teams player:
$1,561,168 - Commanders
$1,393,707 - Colts
$1,109,901 - Browns

League minimum for 3yrs or less accrued experience in 2025 - $1,100,000

While I didn't put a ton of time into it, this is what I was searching for the other day and kept running into the numbers of our specialists (kicker/punter/LS). So thank you for finding and posting that up.

Also, your post about penalties was illuminating. I did not realize we were on the one end of the ST penalty rankings. Thank you for posting that.


I can definitely see how those two things point to roster vs coaching regarding our ST woes. Now I'm wondering if that $400k difference in average pay was us not having that "ST ace" on the roster (ex. Cribbs, who was as good a gunner as he was a returner).
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Re: The last two lawsuits against Deshaun Watson have settled PitDAWG 02/20/26 03:29 PM
I don't know who cares. Maybe a lot of people who have daughters? People who don't want a sexual predator wearing a Browns uniform? You know, people like that.

I guess you don't consider watson's sexual assault law suits news anymore. I mean who did it hurt? Am I right? rolleyes
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Re: Browns Hire Mike Rutenberg as DC DeisleDawg 02/20/26 12:18 AM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
I do think the defense takes a step back... if nothing else then because we have struggled to get our talented groups to perform consistently year-to-year

Huh ?

The defense is going to take a step backwards , because the Browns have struggled to get their talented groups to perform consistently year to year is what you just said.


Well if that is what happened under Stephanski and Schwarts then glad they are gone.

Who in the heck wants coaches who make the team struggle ?

I love the shake up


I hope there is a new energy in the building

Will it pan out, No one knows
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Re: Cleveland Guardians 2.0 Milk Man 02/19/26 10:17 PM
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Re: Goofy Immortal Part Deux PitDAWG 02/19/26 10:04 PM
What did they think was going to happen after they elected Mamdani? naughtydevil
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Re: Player News Hammer 02/19/26 08:32 PM
Agreed.
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Re: White wash mgh888 02/19/26 03:15 PM
So just to be sure of what we all already knew - Trump's racist remarks about Obama were his and his alone.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/she-said-karoline-leavitt-just-050951878.html

And just so we're clear - if you say and post racist things ... it makes you a racist. I mean, as if not allowing black employees in certain positions in your businesses wasn't enough, or ordering them off the casino floor and for them to be non-visible when you visit.
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