DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum The 4-3 defense and our current roster.

That's good. That will make us tougher on opposing offenses. About time we have a DC like GW!!

In the preseason I was intrigued by Garrett, Ogbah, Orchard and Collins rushing from the DL on 3rd and long.

Yep, just like every other team in the league, including us last year.

People get too caught up in the 3-4, 4-3, nickle stuff.

We did the same things last year and I'm guessing every DC in the league does the same.

I think Gregg will be doing a lot more mixing than most.

Of course you do.

I don't understand comments like this, as it adds nothing to the conversation at hand. You should just keep them to yourself.

I'm telling you that I disagree w/your take.

All teams mix things up. GW's defense got lit up last year.

I think it is more about talent than changing coaches.

Everytime the Browns hire a new coordinator on either side of the ball these huge expectations come about
Greg Williams...Brad Childress....Ray Horton....Norv Turner
It's all.the same kool aid
Greg Williams great defense last year allowed 31 points to the 49ers.
Gave up 40 in 2 other games
He's never been longer at one job than than 2 years
I think the sack totals will be up
But also i see a defense giving up alot of big plays

I think it's about 50/50.

Hue had to have noticed something he didn't like about Horton's coaching and scheme.

From what I've seen from GW so far, he's putting his pieces in the right places to be successful. And I'm glad we're not sitting back and rushing 4 every down. Creating confusion and harassing the QB is the name of the game today. I also think the trend is moving back toward "faster" linebackers in a 4-3 in order to cover receivers.

That's fine. We are all entitled to our opinions. My opinion is that the 50/50 thing is pretty crazy. LOL

Just so you know, last year under Williams, the Rams gave up:

--28 pts to SF w/Gabbert at qb.

--32 to Tampa Bay.

--30 to Buffalo. Really? I mean.........really?

--31 to Detroit.

-49 to New Orleans. Yeah, just one shy of freaking 50.

--26 to New England.

--42 to Atlanta

--22 to SF in yet another loss to the miserable 49ers.

--44 to the Cardinals.


Wow!!!!!! Dude's a genius!

I tried telling you guys last year when people were pimping how much better we would be w/Horton over O'Neil that talent trumps coaching. I faced the same ridicule then as I am now. In the end, I was about the only one defending Horton. LOL

Same old song and dance, my friend.

...the lone voice of reason in a sea of insanity.

Thanks jfan, but I think all generalizations are bad.

I can't say I disagree with you at all. Agreed, we are all entitled to our own opinions.

From a talent standpoint, last year the Browns defense looked like a Madden defense in rookie mode. I also know that Horton had consistently demonstrated a pattern of late game meltdowns stemming back to 2013 when he was previously with us.

This year, talent-wise, yes, it was the preseason, but run fits are easily the best I've seen from a Browns football team since '99 and I can't remember the details of the earlier years. Also, yes, preseason schemes, but there seems to be an extra "edge" to the play calling. Once again, admittedly TBD.

Not ridiculing you whatsoever, but we've seen players look better playing in a system that works better for them.

Also, I think Jim O'Neil could have the 2015 Broncos defense and still make it look like garbage. I couldn't believe just how much in 2015 we were unable to simply line up right.

Just thinking out loud. I know the truth is somewhere in between here.

Okay Ammo. I appreciate your respectful reply rather than the usual name calling and insult laden replies I typically receive.

I hope you are right and you could be. I won't deny that.

Just looking at the Buffalo game, the score doesn't tell the whole story. Gurley lost a fumble. Keenum threw 2 picks, one of them a pick 6. They held Taylor to 124 passing yards.

The 2nd SF game, Goff had 90 passing yards and 2 INTs.

I imagine the other games you tossed out the scores for looked similar. And they were against some pretty potent offenses.

He's not a miracle worker, and doesn't coach both sides of the ball. Will he magic bullet instantly fix the defense? Probably not, but Horton managed to make it worse.

Despite the scores, the Rams Defense was 4th best in the NFL in opponent 3rd down conversion percentage. We were predictably near the bottom in 30th.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct

The pre-season seemed to reflect a team that was noticeably more effective on 3rd down defensively.

There is some truth to talent trumping coaching. Coaching still matters, though.

I'd just like to see growth and progress. I didn't see much last season on D as things went along.

I thought Williams did a bad job last year too, but then I watched the Amazon series All or Nothing. That Rams defense was devastated by injuries. On top of that they had to deal with a dreadful offense keeping them on the field.

I don't think Williams is some sort of savior, but I do think he will get the most out of the players.