I can't believe there's folks that would consider trading Baker for Chase Young.


Sorry Vers, there's many football takes we agree on. That one. Heck no.

Baker's the most important player on this team. He has the biggest impact. And we've seen how hard it is to get a halfway decent QB.

No way am i trading Baker for just about anyone. Wouldn't trade him for Joe Burrow either. Last season was a mess all-around. But i'm still sold, and i find it stunning that other folks aren't.


I haven't been around the board that much recently (until lately), maybe i missed something

If Baker Mayfield were available for trade what would we get in return?

If OBJ were available for trade what would we get in return?

I'd bet the returns would be similar. A first round pick along with some later round picks.

Mayfield was terrible last season.

Truth be told, I thought the original question of trading OBJ for Young was silly. I added to the silliness.

Moving on...

If so, Baker is undervalued by the rest of the league.

Sell all the stock of his you want, i'll buy it.


I've been convinced since his rookie year. Last year was just a speed bump. Probably the worst organized offense we've ever had. I am not putting all that on Baker

Evidence can usually be used as factual data is changing people's opinions. In some cases not so much.

I'm not sure how anyone who watched the "2019 Baker" wouldn't say there are big questions left to be answered. Sure the potential is certainly there. But we've seen how well that has played out many times over the years.

The jury is most certainly out on Baker. If we see more of 2019 Baker, those questions will only grow. If we see more of 2018 Baker more of those questions will be addressed.

Would you trade him for Chase Young?

No. After watching him for two seasons, one of those seasons looked very promising. Last year was a major cluster on many levels. I would have to be sold on the fact he is not the answer at QB to risk letting go of that potential at this juncture. But then on the other hand, would anyone give up Chase Young if they knew Baker wasn't the answer?

I guess if I broke it down, by the time I would give up on Baker everyone would know that he isn't worth giving up Chase Young for.

I think the discussion of trading Baker or OBJ for Chase Young is crazy.

How many times have teams in the history of the NFL draft traded a veteran player to another team for the 2nd pick in the NFL draft?

Come on...

I think it's absurd to consider depleting any area we are strong in to bolster a position we are weak in. That's not building a team.

I see your point.

Although, we did this last year with Peppers (better than Burnett) & Zeitler (a top quality RG). We did get OBJ and Vernon. Stronger at DE & WR yet weaker at guard and safety.


Of course, the idea is, it's easier to get a RG than a DE. I'd agree with that one. Same with strong safety vs a top WR that opponents have to account for in their defensive gameplan.

Afterall, how many RG's are drafted in the top 10? (i guess the guy on the Colts). Safety and WR is a lesser battle because the safety position seems to have become higher and higher valued lately (in the draft)

I don't think Peppers was that much of a loss. I mean the conversation revolves around Baker and OBJ. I don't think either of your examples rise to anything close to that.

Uh oh. THAT might come back around in another thread.

I'm not worried about it. All people can bring up are marginal players.

Sorry, not following. If you leverage a position of strength to bolster a position of weakness, why wouldn't that be considered building a team? How else are you going to bolster the position of weakness?

Doesn't mean it always works out. Take OBJ, for example. But this is certainly an avenue to explore when you are trying to build a more well rounded team.

The Browns have good WRs. Considering this is a WR rich draft and we have 4 picks in the top 100 or so, I think it would be an interesting discussion if we could trade OBJ for the #2 overall pick. Landry, Njoku, re-sign Higgins, Hooper, Hunt, Chubb, draft WR … and also put a bookend to Garrett.

Sign me up for that any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Baker doesn't need OBJ to play better.

OBJ was injured the entire season so that isn't an example.

I learned my lesson about "drafting WR's" before. I think Detroit Lions fans did as well.

Good drafts and good FA signings are how you build a team. I guess some people never learn.

Neither of these would be reasons for not having a discussion about trading OBJ for #2 overall pick.



So no team that makes trades are trying to build a team? Maybe teams that make trades are trying to unbuild a team.

There are trade and there are stupid trades. Just like everyone who buys a car doesn't get a good deal.

I get that a lot of folks hate OBJ, but I will try again...

How many times in NFL history has a team w/the second overall pick traded that pick for a veteran player?

This conversation is like a sci-fi or fantasy novel.

Only while your hard head decides to participate in it bro ....

I must be slow, but I don't get what you are saying???

I asked how many times have teams traded the second overall pick for a veteran player?

I am guessing that it just doesn't happen. Hell.....let's expand it to the top five picks in the draft. How many teams have traded a top five pick for a veteran player? I bet it's not many and I can't recall any in recent years.

It sure seemed that way when Mangenius traded our pick to the Jets (they got Mark Sanchise that year and we got Alex Mack. I think we got a 2nd as well or something, and then guys like Kenyon Coleman and Abram Elam)

Huh?

Mangini's first year. We traded out of pick number 5 and got a ton of veterans (as well as a couple picks).

That's my best example for the scenario you say never happens to a top 5 pick

I guess you proved my point. The trade w/the Redskins is NOT going to happen.

lol, no. It won't happen. Especially with the way a #2 pick's salary gets slotted vs the way it used to. Those picks are very valuable for just that reason. Rookie contracts used to be a huge risk, now, they're a huge value

Very true.

That has been my point the entire time. It was a dumb question/discussion because it will never happen.

You're probably right, but the discussion had evolved to ways to improve a team. I thought your verZa made a silly comment.

Are you in a name-calling mode today?

Oh come on. I thought that was light-hearted. The term is funny.

Plus, if some claimed I had a group of Rishenzas following me around, I'd be flattered. Although Rishenza sounds like another infectious disease. Need to rethink that name.

If Clem had followers they could be the Clemenzas ... "leave the canoli, take the cello."

Clemenzas has a nice ring to it.

It does. Specifically one that hits the digestive tract.

Adding the title to my sig line. I'm a Clemenza.

That sounds like an STD.

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