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#1772410 - 06/29/20 08:33 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: bonefish]
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I still say the only way it would work is complete isolation of teams and staff one camp begins. No outside contact,
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#1772436 - 06/29/20 10:01 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: FloridaFan]
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I still say the only way it would work is complete isolation of teams and staff one camp begins. No outside contact,


And that isn't realistic, nor would it really work. You would still need delivery drivers bringing in supplies to feed the team and staff. Then, what about travel?

Nothing is going to work and why there won't be a season. The thread needs to be titled games without players and coaches.
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#1772452 - 06/29/20 10:48 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: Ballpeen]
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I still say the only way it would work is complete isolation of teams and staff one camp begins. No outside contact,


And that isn't realistic, nor would it really work. You would still need delivery drivers bringing in supplies to feed the team and staff. Then, what about travel?

Nothing is going to work and why there won't be a season. The thread needs to be titled games without players and coaches.



Not that I disagree that it is unrealistic, but really, delivery is easy. We get deliveries here all day everyday, and I never see the drivers and seldom interact with the team that unloads them. It could be done.

Travel? Chartered jets for the season?

We are talking about a league with a lot of money. I think they could overcome the logistical hurdles, it's the human element of players being away from family, especially through the holidays that would become the hold up.
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#1772460 - 06/29/20 11:25 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: Spiritbro77]
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j/c...Iv'e been looking at Pro Golf as a micro sample to look at - hey its all we got.

Several Caddies tested positive for the virus.. so far the players with those caddies have not test positive and they are the closest to them for several hours and most without facemasks. On pro 3 pro golfers have tested positive. Nick Watney, Cameron Champ and Denny McCarthy. No common denominator between them. The caddies who did catch the virus I'm guessing there was as a few of them were close. A couple of players dropped out of action for precautionary reasons so not to infect anyone in case they are carriers. So far no symptoms but they were taken care of by dropping out for the good of others. Everyone is being tested and often. I think that is the key.

The key for football is to find out before there is contact with others. A perfect bubble will not happen but there are not many Diabetics and heart disease individuals playing this game.

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#1772467 - 06/29/20 11:45 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: eotab]
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The key for football is to find out before there is contact with others. A perfect bubble will not happen but there are not many Diabetics and heart disease individuals playing this game.

jmho


No but thereís a bunch of coaches that fit that description.
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#1772468 - 06/29/20 11:48 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: PortlandDawg]
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New sideline coaches setup. wink




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#1772553 - 06/29/20 03:24 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: FloridaFan]
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#1772566 - 06/29/20 04:17 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: Milk Man]
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That's a move that would seem to make sense...
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#1772568 - 06/29/20 04:40 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: FATE]
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I think you'll see many teams adopt this policy.

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#1772611 - 06/29/20 08:25 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: PitDAWG]
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Let's face it, the "7 empty rows" is about optics to the public. To make it "look like they care about safety". You have done a good job of describing the actuality of the situation. It's going to be a crap show.


They could pay me to take tix, and you still wouldn't catch me anywhere near that place. Not yet. Not until my common-sense brain tells me it's safe.
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#1772640 - 06/30/20 05:39 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: Clemdawg]
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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Let's face it, the "7 empty rows" is about optics to the public. To make it "look like they care about safety". You have done a good job of describing the actuality of the situation. It's going to be a crap show.


They could pay me to take tix, and you still wouldn't catch me anywhere near that place. Not yet. Not until my common-sense brain tells me it's safe.



I agree. Think about all the things you have to touch....escalator rails are nasty even without a deadly virus on the loose. Go to take a whizz, you are standing 1.5 feet from some other dude on each side, no partitions. People flush. Every time there is a plume that goes in to the air. You breath in urine and stool samples. Parasite eggs floating around. The entire restroom is in a plume of who knows what, and that is in good times.

It's nasty even without these cooties.
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#1772648 - 06/30/20 07:20 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: Ballpeen]
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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Let's face it, the "7 empty rows" is about optics to the public. To make it "look like they care about safety". You have done a good job of describing the actuality of the situation. It's going to be a crap show.


They could pay me to take tix, and you still wouldn't catch me anywhere near that place. Not yet. Not until my common-sense brain tells me it's safe.



I agree. Think about all the things you have to touch....escalator rails are nasty even without a deadly virus on the loose. Go to take a whizz, you are standing 1.5 feet from some other dude on each side, no partitions. People flush. Every time there is a plume that goes in to the air. You breath in urine and stool samples. Parasite eggs floating around. The entire restroom is in a plume of who knows what, and that is in good times.

It's nasty even without these cooties.



Imagine what it would be like if we still had the old Cleveland Municipal bathrooms.... sick
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#1772651 - 06/30/20 08:18 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: DevilDawg2847]
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Well there was no flushing or plume's to deal with then.
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#1772655 - 06/30/20 08:30 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: Ballpeen]
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I agree. Think about all the things you have to touch....escalator rails are nasty even without a deadly virus on the loose. Go to take a whizz, you are standing 1.5 feet from some other dude on each side, no partitions. People flush. Every time there is a plume that goes in to the air. You breath in urine and stool samples. Parasite eggs floating around. The entire restroom is in a plume of who knows what, and that is in good times.

It's nasty even without these cooties.


This could be in an advertisement for off-grid living and peeing behind a tree. smile
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#1772662 - 06/30/20 09:07 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: Ballpeen]
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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Let's face it, the "7 empty rows" is about optics to the public. To make it "look like they care about safety". You have done a good job of describing the actuality of the situation. It's going to be a crap show.


They could pay me to take tix, and you still wouldn't catch me anywhere near that place. Not yet. Not until my common-sense brain tells me it's safe.



I agree. Think about all the things you have to touch....escalator rails are nasty even without a deadly virus on the loose. Go to take a whizz, you are standing 1.5 feet from some other dude on each side, no partitions. People flush. Every time there is a plume that goes in to the air. You breath in urine and stool samples. Parasite eggs floating around. The entire restroom is in a plume of who knows what, and that is in good times.

It's nasty even without these cooties.


Thank you for ruining all sporting events forever.

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#1772696 - 06/30/20 11:02 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: Milk Man]
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#1772704 - 06/30/20 11:40 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: bonefish]
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Its the first step to figuring out if ANY fans will be allowed. They first have to narrow down the possible attendees. Then they can re-assign seating to follow SD guidelines and other stadium amenities.
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#1772718 - 06/30/20 12:16 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: FloridaFan]
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Yep. If 50% of STH opt out, that helps the NFL manage seating without dictating which fans will get to go to each game.

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#1772730 - 06/30/20 01:14 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: PortlandDawg]
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The key for football is to find out before there is contact with others. A perfect bubble will not happen but there are not many Diabetics and heart disease individuals playing this game.

jmho


No but thereís a bunch of coaches that fit that description.


Actually not as many as those of that age. How many have heart disease? How many have diabetes.

But of course if they are over 60 their risk is higher.
But the worry here is contact sport. They can coach without contact....they can coach with social distancing. They can coach with a mask on. They should have regular stoppage of practice and all then washing hands and face with disinfectant soap....then back to action. This includes players coaches and all those in attendance. With 90 players plus possibly 100 coaches and attendees - Individual drinking - and still I'm sure there will be those who will test positive as we cannot control their personal lives. Those with kids will have a higher risk of catching the virus as history tells us kids are the biggest carriers and spread of the flu so will it be with the Covid 19 virus. Hopefully around mid season a vaccine will finally be in the fold. Things will change after we experience that. This is not as difficult as some flu's in finding a vaccine. Of what I know there are at least 7 vaccines being tested with our protocol to become official. One I've heard is very close. First will be the high risk people. Second will be first responders and possibly those in contact sports will get theirs with that grouping. Within 6 months the entire country can become vaccinated and just like Polio this disease will be GONE...thank goodness.

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#1772740 - 06/30/20 01:37 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: eotab]
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Tretter NFLPA president is starting to ring the bell about players risk and their safety.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/06...yer-safety.html

His comments are an early indication there could be problems ahead.

Vaccine by all indicators is most likely in the first quarter of 2021. End of this year does not look good.

I could see players who are at increased risk levels or will be exposed to family members who are; may well opt out for this season.

I would understand that position.

So, every team may have a number of players who decide the risk is not worth it.

This could easily mean that players outside of the 53 roster slots today. May be inside the 53 by the start of the season. Team depth could be huge.

There will be plenty especially those who are hungry that will be willing to take the risk for the money.

The rest of 2020 will be historical. Lots of things will go down.

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#1772756 - 06/30/20 02:04 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: bonefish]
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j/c...


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#1772791 - 06/30/20 03:01 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: Milk Man]
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#1772844 - 06/30/20 06:11 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: Milk Man]
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I got a survey today from the Browns asking questions that seemed to be as if they were testing the waters for offering something like this. I hope they do as I'll be opting out.
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#1772845 - 06/30/20 06:14 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: columbusdawg]
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It won't be long before all NFL teams offer this. It'll be PR not to. I'll be opting out as well.

It's doubtful any fans will be allowed in anyway. I'm still not convinced there will be a season.

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#1772852 - 06/30/20 07:03 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: Milk Man]
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I donít think there will be a season at this point.

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#1772874 - 06/30/20 09:14 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: columbusdawg]
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Received the survey this evening myself and just completed it.

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#1772893 - 07/01/20 04:40 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: columbusdawg]
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I got a survey today from the Browns asking questions that seemed to be as if they were testing the waters for offering something like this. I hope they do as I'll be opting out.



Unless something drastic happens, I am not going to any games
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#1772896 - 07/01/20 07:19 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: Ballpeen]
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I got a survey today from the Browns asking questions that seemed to be as if they were testing the waters for offering something like this. I hope they do as I'll be opting out.



Unless something drastic happens, I am not going to any games


Drastic like, there is an asteroid heading for Earth and we are all going to blow up on November 3rd anyway? wink
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#1772900 - 07/01/20 07:30 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: FloridaFan]
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I got a survey today from the Browns asking questions that seemed to be as if they were testing the waters for offering something like this. I hope they do as I'll be opting out.



Unless something drastic happens, I am not going to any games


Drasti c like, there is an asteroid heading for Earth and we are all going to blow up on November 3rd anyway? wink


Hadn't considered that
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#1772980 - 07/01/20 01:03 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: Rishuz]
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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
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Let's face it, the "7 empty rows" is about optics to the public. To make it "look like they care about safety". You have done a good job of describing the actuality of the situation. It's going to be a crap show.


They could pay me to take tix, and you still wouldn't catch me anywhere near that place. Not yet. Not until my common-sense brain tells me it's safe.



I agree. Think about all the things you have to touch....escalator rails are nasty even without a deadly virus on the loose. Go to take a whizz, you are standing 1.5 feet from some other dude on each side, no partitions. People flush. Every time there is a plume that goes in to the air. You breath in urine and stool samples. Parasite eggs floating around. The entire restroom is in a plume of who knows what, and that is in good times.

It's nasty even without these cooties.


Thank you for ruining all sporting events forever.




Not trying to ruin things. Just giving you something to think about. Toilet plume is real. Add in maybe 25-30 urinals and 15 heads, you have a lot of nasty in that air.



Edited by Ballpeen (07/01/20 01:10 PM)
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#1772986 - 07/01/20 01:15 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: Ballpeen]
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Peen....did you get your survey from the Browns on the upcoming season and fans in attendance?

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#1772989 - 07/01/20 01:17 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: Milk Man]
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[quote=Milk Man]Peen....did you get your survey from the



Yes, I pulled it up around 3:30 this morning and filled it out.
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#1772992 - 07/01/20 01:34 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: bonefish]
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I'm watching Premier League soccer without fans and they are piping in fan noise. The fan noise helps a lot.
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#1772995 - 07/01/20 01:43 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: EveDawg]
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I'm watching Premier League soccer without fans and they are piping in fan noise. The fan noise helps a lot.



I might be watching the same thing you are right now. I am not really watching, it's on....2 teams Bol and Cag, whoever they are. I watched a Korean baseball game this morning. They had fan background noise. It was a good baseball game.
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#1773034 - 07/01/20 03:24 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: Ballpeen]
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Originally Posted By: columbusdawg
I got a survey today from the Browns asking questions that seemed to be as if they were testing the waters for offering something like this. I hope they do as I'll be opting out.



Unless something drastic happens, I am not going to any games


Me either buddy. I check most of the boxes for those at risk, and I would like to be around when we do finally win a Super Bowl. I don't sit around in my house 7 days a week now, BUT I do avoid crowds, I wear my mask, I carry hand sanitizer with me along with a baggie full of clorox wipes. Everybody knows I am crazy, but I am not NUTS.
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#1773064 - 07/01/20 04:09 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: bonefish]
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To bad many states just opened too early. There was a legitimate chance for this season to happen. But now with a surge of the virus. I donít see it happening at all this year. No players no fans. Sad.
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#1773079 - 07/01/20 04:48 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: PerfectSpiral]
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J/C

To bad many states just opened too early. There was a legitimate chance for this season to happen. But now with a surge of the virus. I donít see it happening at all this year. No players no fans. Sad.




I am not sure we opened too soon, but many people felt that opening felt like all was good and all back to the old normal.

It's a new normal. We have to get back to work and being productive, but we can't be stupid. Even if we closed down another 3 months this would still be the same. Us humans have to learn the hard way.


Some people just don't get the severity of what we face. We can be relatively safe if smart, but you can't just go out and start hanging out like nothing is wrong. It's why we are seeing surge. Time to get smart. This isn't going away any time soon, if ever.

Mask up. Limit contact. Come on, get with the program. It is what it is.


We can go out some if smart, but the days of sitting shoulder to shoulder at the bar or beach are over for a while. Show some respect. You might be able to survive it, the person a seat or two down might not.

I think most people are basically good and would he horrified if they somehow found out their actions caused the death of another person. I really believe that.

We have to protect each other. No?
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#1773104 - 07/01/20 06:25 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: bonefish]
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#1773119 - 07/01/20 08:12 PM Re: Games without fans [Re: DevilDawg2847]
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Imagine what it would be like if we still had the old Cleveland Municipal bathrooms.... sick


The Denver coliseum has bathrooms like that.
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#1773185 - 07/02/20 09:05 AM Re: Games without fans [Re: Milk Man]
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Peen....did you get your survey from the Browns on the upcoming season and fans in attendance?


One thing we know within this pandemic is things change so fast...what is sound or dangerous now will be different in September.

I'm thinking 50% capacity for fans...that means spacing can be achieved. Family of 4....ok they can sit close together but the next group will be several seats away. Each game for season ticket holders will be via lottery to get to attend.

jmho If a vaccine is found...OPEN up to all! I think when you get a vaccine you should get a card (like a SSS Card) and only those vaccinated can attend.

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