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#1802170 - 10/06/20 12:47 PM Re: Post Game [Re: Ballpeen]
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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
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Yeah, he has been a real disappointment. He has been much better in his career. We really miss Delpit.



We have known about Delpit being out from the beginning. We have also known Sendejo is a back-up player.

I am beginning to wonder about Greedy. You don't even hear about that guy anymore. Maybe I missed something but the last I remember is Stefanski said he was game to game. That was what, several games ago?


To your first point... You are right, we have known and we continue to play him. I would love to know what the coaches see in his play.

Greedy is still week to week. He has returned to practice in a limited fashion. I thought he would be active this past week.
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#1802179 - 10/06/20 01:15 PM Re: Post Game [Re: Pdawg]
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EO, you take care of yourself. I understand you love our Browns I feel the same way but itís no good if your not around to see them win. Iím going through my own health issues right now as Iím recovering from hip replacement surgery and my wife is having chemo battling cancer for a second time. Take care and you will be in my prayers. Iíve been saying alot of those over the last 3 months.

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#1802186 - 10/06/20 01:35 PM Re: Post Game [Re: Homewood Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Homewood Dog
EO, you take care of yourself. I understand you love our Browns I feel the same way but itís no good if your not around to see them win. Iím going through my own health issues right now as Iím recovering from hip replacement surgery and my wife is having chemo battling cancer for a second time. Take care and you will be in my prayers. Iíve been saying alot of those over the last 3 months.


Prayers for EO your wife and you Homewood, I myself found out I had sugar about a year ago, but so far so good only taking the pills smile
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#1802226 - 10/06/20 03:17 PM Re: Post Game [Re: eotab]
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Now is NOT the time for giving up the finish line is getting closer.

The thing is we have a real good coach and hardly anyone mentions it. In my mind that is the real difference.

Keep on keeping on Tab, there is nothing else we can do.
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#1802297 - 10/06/20 05:14 PM Re: Post Game [Re: eotab]
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Tab,

You have do the the right things. Stay on the program.

You have waited a long time to get here.

To much going on in your life to check out now.

Keep the faith brother.

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#1802301 - 10/06/20 05:26 PM Re: Post Game [Re: eotab]
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Never give up ! Stay the course ! Prayers and best wishes man ... keep doing the right things, good/better things will happen for you.
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#1802353 - 10/06/20 07:41 PM Re: Post Game [Re: eotab]
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Man, Eo ..... you have to take care of yourself. I'm prating for you bud.
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#1802395 - 10/06/20 08:41 PM Re: Post Game [Re: Pdawg]
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Just rewatched the game. I was wrong, the 2nd pick was not on Mayfield. Bitonio was beat and Mayfield moved up in the pocket and dove to the ground because two guys were about ready to tee off on him.
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#1802397 - 10/06/20 08:42 PM Re: Post Game [Re: Pdawg]
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Did you mean sack instead of "pick?"

If so, how long did he hold the ball before he was sacked?
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#1802404 - 10/06/20 08:53 PM Re: Post Game [Re: Versatile Dog]
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Yeah, I meant sack. He had just got back on his drop and went to throw downfield is when he was grabbed by Bitonioís guy. He broke free, stepped up in the pocket than went down. I completely missed the grab live. I thought it was just indecisiveness in Bakerís part.
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#1802410 - 10/06/20 08:58 PM Re: Post Game [Re: Pdawg]
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How long did the play take? Do you believe PFF did not time that play and were wrong for blaming Baker for the sack?
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#1802423 - 10/06/20 09:12 PM Re: Post Game [Re: Versatile Dog]
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How long did the play take? Do you believe PFF did not time that play and were wrong for blaming Baker for the sack?


It was under three seconds to where he was grabbed. It was a seven step drop and he took two steps to throw it deep. I donít know how or what PFF grades are figured out. I do know I donít always agree with what they say.
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#1802516 - 10/07/20 08:16 AM Re: Post Game [Re: Swish]
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#1802518 - 10/07/20 08:18 AM Re: Post Game [Re: Swish]
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Edited by GratefulDawg (10/07/20 08:20 AM)
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#1802524 - 10/07/20 08:31 AM Re: Post Game [Re: GratefulDawg]
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Is the Dallas front 4 that bad, or is our OL that good? My Lord we buried them in those clips.
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#1802534 - 10/07/20 09:02 AM Re: Post Game [Re: jfanent]
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Both, but Teller is a big meanie. I know he's been laying those clips down the past couple weeks.
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#1802547 - 10/07/20 09:38 AM Re: Post Game [Re: oobernoober]
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Both, but Teller is a big meanie. I know he's been laying those clips down the past couple weeks.


How good is the BUF Oline that they could trade him away like they did? And for what they did?

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#1802571 - 10/07/20 10:13 AM Re: Post Game [Re: WSU Willie]
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Eh, I dunno about all that. Oline seems to be a group, in particular, that situation really plays a large role in a player's performance. Type of blocking scheme, surrounding talent, maybe there's a coach they really click with... not to mention the player's own situation (coming off an injury and for young guys they tend to need to catch up strength and conditioning-wise with their longer-tenured teammates.

I dunno, I haven't even scratched the surface in terms of understanding all the ins and outs of the trenches. It's just striking how guys like Teller can come out of nowhere after having been in the league for a while, and it happens alot (and also goes the other way). More to it than just the individual showing up and performing.
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#1802576 - 10/07/20 10:28 AM Re: Post Game [Re: GratefulDawg]
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Damn that is pretty to watch.

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#1802578 - 10/07/20 10:28 AM Re: Post Game [Re: oobernoober]
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Originally Posted By: oobernoober
Eh, I dunno about all that. Oline seems to be a group, in particular, that situation really plays a large role in a player's performance. Type of blocking scheme, surrounding talent, maybe there's a coach they really click with... not to mention the player's own situation (coming off an injury and for young guys they tend to need to catch up strength and conditioning-wise with their longer-tenured teammates.

I dunno, I haven't even scratched the surface in terms of understanding all the ins and outs of the trenches. It's just striking how guys like Teller can come out of nowhere after having been in the league for a while, and it happens alot (and also goes the other way). More to it than just the individual showing up and performing.


I recollect reading that last year the FO liked him but he needed work on technique. In the offseason he added some muscle and met Bill Callahan.

It seems he was always rather beastly, but improved-technique, added-strength (all work he put in on his own) and a terrific OL coach has made him the beast that he is right now. He's trending towards a mid-round success story once he'd been around awhile.

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#1802585 - 10/07/20 10:44 AM Re: Post Game [Re: WSU Willie]
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He's trending toward Perennial All-Pro.
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#1802586 - 10/07/20 10:44 AM Re: Post Game [Re: WSU Willie]
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Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
Both, but Teller is a big meanie. I know he's been laying those clips down the past couple weeks.


How good is the BUF Oline that they could trade him away like they did? And for what they did?


They had depth at the position. And it seems that he is not the same player. This is the same guy who couldnít get in the game because Eric Kush was starting.

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#1802593 - 10/07/20 11:03 AM Re: Post Game [Re: Swish]
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Just for some perspective:

Dallas has allowed their opponents the following production on the ground:

Rams: 40-153 yards, 3.8 yards/rush

Atlanta: 34-113 yards. 3.3/rush

Seattle: 26-117, 4.5 yards/rush

Cleveland Browns: 40-307, 7.7 yards/rush

For further perspective, prior to the abuse at the hands and feet of the Cleveland Browns players, in those 3 games, (as noted above) Dallas allowed 100 runs for 383 yards, and 3.8 yards/rush.
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#1802622 - 10/07/20 12:05 PM Re: Post Game [Re: eotab]
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#1802637 - 10/07/20 12:31 PM Re: Post Game [Re: cfrs15]
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Both, but Teller is a big meanie. I know he's been laying those clips down the past couple weeks.


How good is the BUF Oline that they could trade him away like they did? And for what they did?


They had depth at the position. And it seems that he is not the same player. This is the same guy who couldnít get in the game because Eric Kush was starting.


I don't disagree...I'll add though that we traded for him at the end of TC...he knew less about the offense than I did at that moment. It was inevitable that it would take awhile for him to get up to speed.

He was "ok" last year once he got going/acclimated...his off-season work and "whatever he did" has delivered downright impressive results.

We will never know what was the linchpin for him...but he's always been a big strong guy...he got stronger (as young players will do...but the biggest change outside of his own prep is Bill Callahan and likely the technique that the FO saw as wanting last year.

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#1802664 - 10/07/20 01:54 PM Re: Post Game [Re: WSU Willie]
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Still ignoring he was injured last season I see.
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#1802677 - 10/07/20 02:06 PM Re: Post Game [Re: PitDAWG]
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Still ignoring he was injured last season I see.


Pssst...you are in the wrong thread.

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#1802948 - 10/08/20 12:08 AM Re: Post Game [Re: Swish]
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Hang tight Tab
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All in that order
Prayers your way ole buddy.
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#1803002 - 10/08/20 10:20 AM Re: Post Game [Re: Ballpeen]
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j/c:

I have a question. I have seen a few posts talking about being in a prevent defense. Has that been verified?

It's hard to see the alignment on TV, but it didn't look like a true Prevent defense to me. I think we were playing a soft zone, but that would make sense when you have such a large lead.




While radio guys said the secondary "was focused on keeping everything in front of them", I'm pretty sure I heard we had dialed up a few blitzes at the end of the game. Doesn't sound like full-on prevent to me.


It wasn't a prevent D. It was a outside zone designed to force Dallas to the middle of the field in an effort to keep clock running and force them to burn timeouts.


ergo prevent...not the prevent of yesteryear...but what you described was a prevent defense. Give up yards, keep the ball away from sidelines keep the ball in front of you (defenders) tackle quickly and let the clock run or burn time outs.
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#1803134 - 10/08/20 03:50 PM Re: Post Game [Re: eotab]
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#1803142 - 10/08/20 04:05 PM Re: Post Game [Re: Pdawg]
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Well, then, who blew it?
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#1803143 - 10/08/20 04:07 PM Re: Post Game [Re: PrplPplEater]
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He didnít say.


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#1803304 - 10/09/20 08:10 AM Re: Post Game [Re: Pdawg]
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Originally Posted By: Pdawg
He didnít say.


[social:tweet]https://www.pscp.tv/w/ck4VETFYSlFrZEp2Um...gvnffnb8tSJ4P0n[/social]


And he shouldn't say. He is going to protect his players when he can...like he did with Sendejo. But he isn't going to single out and throw any of his payers under the bus. You notice he says "We" busted the coverage...And frankly that is appropriate.


Edited by PETE314 (10/09/20 08:11 AM)
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#1803306 - 10/09/20 08:41 AM Re: Post Game [Re: eotab]
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ergo prevent...not the prevent of yesteryear...but what you described was a prevent defense. Give up yards, keep the ball away from sidelines keep the ball in front of you (defenders) tackle quickly and let the clock run or burn time outs.



True. I suppose to be technical, if you are trying to prevent a team from gaining a 1st down, you are playing a prevent defense.
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#1803548 - 10/10/20 11:31 AM Re: Post Game [Re: Swish]
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#1803578 - 10/10/20 01:37 PM Re: Post Game [Re: PrplPplEater]
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Well, then, who blew it?


As was said on the telecast, the other safety. He was supposed to cover the middle of the field but broke to the wideout on the other side.
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